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Jul 13, 2013 10:54 AM

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some nice theories i read here. :) so even though the investigation went by pretty fast in the episode, it was enough to see the evidences and make assumptions.. that's good :-)

and btw, aoi's the best girl. C:
Jul 13, 2013 10:59 AM

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AnimeFan500 said:
After re watching the episode. These are my top 3 choices on who did it.



@VoidNoodle: I Love your theories.


Seconding this, I believe it's either Hagakure or Kuwata.
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Jul 13, 2013 11:02 AM

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R4diance said:
why even bother. if i understand right he should have just play along everyone suspect him of murder, therefore they all would be wrong, therefore they all executed, therefore he walks free.


no, only the real killer survives and everyone else gets executed if they guess wrong.
Jul 13, 2013 11:05 AM

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Vokoca said:
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'But why would the dead girl encrypt the message or write the stuff in english upside down. It just does't make any sense at all....




Holy crud, you're right!
Jul 13, 2013 11:05 AM
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silverwalls said:
no, only the real killer survives and everyone else gets executed if they guess wrong.

aaaah now i get it
Jul 13, 2013 11:08 AM

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The question is why doesn't Naegi-kun LET them believe it's him? Because he didn't do it, so that's good. If they all choose him, that means they all die and he will live, and it's not by him killing anyone, they would've killed themselves.
Jul 13, 2013 11:10 AM

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pp813 said:
The question is why doesn't Naegi-kun LET them believe it's him? Because he didn't do it, so that's good. If they all choose him, that means they all die and he will live, and it's not by him killing anyone, they would've killed themselves.

i just explained this, scroll up a bit....
Jul 13, 2013 11:12 AM

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MellowJello said:
Well that was underwhelming.

2 cardboard cutouts down, another 12 to go.
Sure...
Please learn about cel animation and its technical process.
Learn how special effects and backlighting were done without computers.

Jul 13, 2013 11:25 AM

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Well if that was real life it would pretty ****ed up if they choose the wrong guy xD. For the pink blood actually i liked it probably because i read so many complains about it that i thought i would be a LOT worse.

I'm excluding Celestia from my list since it would be pretty obvious be the dark way she acts (wich i really like ^^)



I was also thinking... what if someone suicide? do monokuma would just reveal it or would he keep the game rolling? ;)
Jul 13, 2013 11:34 AM

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pp813 said:
The question is why doesn't Naegi-kun LET them believe it's him? Because he didn't do it, so that's good. If they all choose him, that means they all die and he will live, and it's not by him killing anyone, they would've killed themselves.


Man, does people not pay attention, or did they just have bad subs...

Everyone votes for the TRUE Killer = Killer is punished
Everyone votes for wrong person, (Not the Killer = Everyone else is punished, Killer goes out free.

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Jul 13, 2013 11:34 AM

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phew,, all according to the original story huh,, that's fine,,
Anyway, the curlpit was not that shocking... you can tell which from their expressions on the trial,

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Jul 13, 2013 11:36 AM
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kaimax said:
pp813 said:
The question is why doesn't Naegi-kun LET them believe it's him? Because he didn't do it, so that's good. If they all choose him, that means they all die and he will live, and it's not by him killing anyone, they would've killed themselves.


Man, does people not pay attention, or did they just have bad subs...

Everyone votes for the TRUE Killer = Killer is punished
Everyone votes for wrong person, (Not the Killer = Everyone else is punished, Killer goes out free.


I think it was a simple misunderstanding because of wording but you are correct. He said that if they choose the wrong person ALL the innocent people get punished, that includes Naegi.
Jul 13, 2013 11:47 AM

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was interesting but the whole class trial with the punishment kind of takes the fun out of it imo
Jul 13, 2013 11:48 AM

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Considering the ED pic, is Naegi dead?
Jul 13, 2013 12:00 PM

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Oh damn. I love Junko, and she died this episode!! My goodness, two people died at one episode.

I can't wait to see how the murder will be revealed.
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Considering the ED pic, is Naegi dead?


or maybe they are all dead
Jul 13, 2013 12:06 PM

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Pff, two deaths already, they really don't waste time. Somehow I get the feeling Sayaka killed herself, I don't know why.

Really liking how they're actually doing investigations and trials. I didn't know that was part of it.

The pink blood is pretty stupid though. Why try to make a series about killing less mature? I heard someone say it's the same in the game.

Jul 13, 2013 12:10 PM

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I'm trying hard to avoid spoilers on this, so I may not look at the forums much for this show ...

WOW. That was a freaking brutal 2nd episode. 2/15 dead already. Monobear has got to be the most evil talking animal I've ever seen in an anime, more heartless than Kyubey (sp?) from Madoka and more sadistic than Dung Beetle from Bokurano. What a horrible situation to find themselves in. I'm sure they're going to solve the first murder or two, as otherwise it turns into a very, very short series. "It's Naegi!" "Nope. You all die, except ___" *everyone except 1 asplodes into neon-pink blood while Monobear cackles*

5/5
Jul 13, 2013 12:12 PM
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Onyxthegreat said:
Pff, two deaths already, they really don't waste time. Somehow I get the feeling Sayaka killed herself, I don't know why.

Really liking how they're actually doing investigations and trials. I didn't know that was part of it.

The pink blood is pretty stupid though. Why try to make a series about killing less mature? I heard someone say it's the same in the game.


As said over and over in this thread, it's not only because of censorship, it's part of DGRP's style and it became a trademark of the game. Is the anime doing something wrong stylistically? I never expected so many people to bash on this, since everyone loved it in the original game.
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Onyxthegreat said:

The pink blood is pretty stupid though. Why try to make a series about killing less mature? I heard someone say it's the same in the game.

Read the 20 billion times people have answered this question as well as the thread specifically about that for your answer

http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=630603

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Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

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Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

Jul 13, 2013 12:41 PM

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LuisDrk said:
I was also thinking... what if someone suicide? do monokuma would just reveal it or would he keep the game rolling? ;)


Nope, Monokuma never reveals the culprit, no matter what happens. Even though he is the one setting the rules, he also takes extra care to follow them. That, and it would break the whole game, which is the last thing he would want. :D If someone commits suicide, they still technically kill themselves, so they’re the culprit, so to speak.

Onyxthegreat said:
The pink blood is pretty stupid though. Why try to make a series about killing less mature? I heard someone say it's the same in the game.


Don’t think of it as censorship. While sure, it allows them to get away with more things, it’s there mainly for the style. Danganronpa is meant to be just as crazy as it is dark. To put it the other way, it’s not trying to be mature and gritty, but rather funky and absurd. The "Super Duper" characters should be a hint enough already, if not Monokuma alone.

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I'm trying hard to avoid spoilers on this, so I may not look at the forums much for this show ...

WOW. That was a freaking brutal 2nd episode. 2/15 dead already. Monobear has got to be the most evil talking animal I've ever seen in an anime, more heartless than Kyubey (sp?) from Madoka and more sadistic than Dung Beetle from Bokurano. What a horrible situation to find themselves in. I'm sure they're going to solve the first murder or two, as otherwise it turns into a very, very short series. "It's Naegi!" "Nope. You all die, except ___" *everyone except 1 asplodes into neon-pink blood while Monobear cackles*

5/5


Oh, if only it was that quick and painless. The executions are much, much worse than that. They’re just as ridiculous and twisted as the mascot. :D
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Vokoca said:
Onyxthegreat said:
The pink blood is pretty stupid though. Why try to make a series about killing less mature? I heard someone say it's the same in the game.


Don’t think of it as censorship.


Well, taking about facts, it is indeed a form a censorship since they want to avoid getting a +18 rating. But it was a perfect match with the style of the game, and then they ran with the idea, and make it a staple with the sequel also using pink blood.

At least they made it much more noteworthy, making it "if it's not Pink it's not Dangan Ronpa".

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Jul 13, 2013 1:09 PM

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Damn why is she already dead :(
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Vokoca said:
LuisDrk said:
I was also thinking... what if someone suicide? do monokuma would just reveal it or would he keep the game rolling? ;)


Nope, Monokuma never reveals the culprit, no matter what happens. Even though he is the one setting the rules, he also takes extra care to follow them. That, and it would break the whole game, which is the last thing he would want. :D If someone commits suicide, they still technically kill themselves, so they’re the culprit, so to speak.

Onyxthegreat said:
The pink blood is pretty stupid though. Why try to make a series about killing less mature? I heard someone say it's the same in the game.


Don’t think of it as censorship. While sure, it allows them to get away with more things, it’s there mainly for the style. Danganronpa is meant to be just as crazy as it is dark. To put it the other way, it’s not trying to be mature and gritty, but rather funky and absurd. The "Super Duper" characters should be a hint enough already, if not Monokuma alone.

Blind_Guardian said:
I'm trying hard to avoid spoilers on this, so I may not look at the forums much for this show ...

WOW. That was a freaking brutal 2nd episode. 2/15 dead already. Monobear has got to be the most evil talking animal I've ever seen in an anime, more heartless than Kyubey (sp?) from Madoka and more sadistic than Dung Beetle from Bokurano. What a horrible situation to find themselves in. I'm sure they're going to solve the first murder or two, as otherwise it turns into a very, very short series. "It's Naegi!" "Nope. You all die, except ___" *everyone except 1 asplodes into neon-pink blood while Monobear cackles*

5/5


Oh, if only it was that quick and painless. The executions are much, much worse than that. They’re just as ridiculous and twisted as the mascot. :D

The 1st one more than anything, like the rest of the executions have this so over the top style that it feels like dark humor(and thats what it is), the first execution is just dark and its one of the few times watching anything in a video game or video or whatever that actually made me cringe a bit, its kind of brutal

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Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

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kaimax said:
Vokoca said:
Onyxthegreat said:
The pink blood is pretty stupid though. Why try to make a series about killing less mature? I heard someone say it's the same in the game.


Don’t think of it as censorship.


Well, taking about facts, it is indeed a form a censorship since they want to avoid getting a +18 rating. But it was a perfect match with the style of the game, and then they ran with the idea, and make it a staple with the sequel also using pink blood.

At least they made it much more noteworthy, making it "if it's not Pink it's not Dangan Ronpa".


Yeah, I know. Of course, it will technically still be a form of censorship, no matter how creative it is. I’ve just wanted to say that it might be easier for the newcomers to "accept" if they think of it more as a Danganronpa quirk, rather than a censor - because while it is both, I think that by now, the former should be more important, since it’s so consistent that it’s the staple, as you mentioned.

It’s not like, say, in Shaft’s Bakemonogatari, where they do one scene in particular all colorful to convey the brutality in a reasonably clear way that still manages to stay acceptable. I’d think of it more as a censor there, since it was just one scene, whereas in Danganronpa it has become it’s own thing, even if it started as a censor, as you mentioned. ^^

I hope that makes sense, my English isn’t that amazing. :D
Jul 13, 2013 1:32 PM
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Red blood would be too dark, it wouldn't fit DGRP's style and atmosphere at all.
Before anything, DGRP is mostly black comedy, and being too heavy/serious doesn't work for its style.
Maybe people are being confused since it's only been 2 episodes and they don't quite grasp what DGRP is going for.
Jul 13, 2013 2:16 PM

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That was actually a pretty good second episode. It covered a lot of ground and yet never felt unevenly paced like the first one. I have to wonder though if the blood that looks like paint was an artistic choice or some form of censorship. Maybe both?
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jinxo said:
MFKAE86 said:
Considering the ED pic, is Naegi dead?


or maybe they are all dead

What is this show, Angel beats?
Jul 13, 2013 2:58 PM
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DJIzzyIzzyHitler said:
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Alright, based on only the information we were given in the anime, here is my super duper awesome theory on who the killer is--!



Let me know what you think! But for the people who played the game--don't spoil me. =P

You really shouldnt shoot down theories like that, those other evidence will likley be revealed by other characters next week, your taking the fun out of it by telling people the info they dont have yet and spoiling the fun for them. Just let them go in blind, more fun for everyone

Ah--thanks for the concern, but it's alright. =P I haven't yet read the stuff in the spoiler tag, but maybe I will and try adjusting the theory accordingly.
Based on the simple fact that I was "shot down"--does that mean I'm wrong? Or are you actually trying to lead me away from the real answer? (...Actually, I don't want you to answer that. XD)
I just find this fun, and want to try to do this for all the cases. =P Whether I'm really right or not--...well, I'll find out.

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Again, for theory-crafters. But anyway. Quite fun watching them create speculations. :)
Thing is, he wasn't asking for further evidence. He's only asking if his logic was plausible. And quite frankly, his logic makes sense with concrete details. Although I have a problem with one thing (from anime point of view only). And there you are shooting theories down by showing unknown evidence to the anime viewers. That will only spoil the fun for them.

Oh? What was the issue you had?
--I'm not a "he", by the way, but that's alright. It must be my username, since I get that a lot. =P

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@NorseFTX: I love your theories.

Heh heh. Thanks. =P I've no idea if I'm right, but I had fun with it myself.
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@NorseFTX: I have your theory posted on the other thread lol. Thought it was a well-written speculation.

Here: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=630713 I think I wrote my issues there.

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Oh! Woops, alright, thanks--I'll take a look.
Anyway, loving the show--can't wait until the next episode...!
Jul 13, 2013 4:23 PM

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Surprising, I was really into this episode. I find it really interesting so far, although that bear is still really annoying.
Looking forward to more.
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Ahhh I love murder mystery series. And this episode did not dissappoint!

Definitely gonna continue watching even though the first episode almost threw me of. 4/5
Jul 13, 2013 4:35 PM

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I heard that Shinji scream from Naegi lolololololol. Very entertaining, who could be the murderer? 81/0
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Haha i can't believe people are complaining about the pink blood, personally thought it was a good touch and adds a punk feel to the anime, and to be totally honest this show wouldn't be right with a gore aspect added to it in which red blood would of done. For now i have no complaints about the show and am just gonna enjoy the ride.
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Jul 13, 2013 4:58 PM

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I can't handle all of the 8 bit, it's too glorious.
Jul 13, 2013 5:37 PM

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Monokuma says that the killer will be executed while they should kill people to graduate


mindfucked
Jul 13, 2013 5:49 PM

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lightcard said:
Monokuma says that the killer will be executed while they should kill people to graduate


mindfucked


The only way to leave the school, a.k.a. to "graduate", is to kill someone, BUT in such a way that no one finds out. That’s the catch. After a murder happens, a Class Trial follows, where everyone tries to determine the culprit. This can have two results:

- The students don’t find the correct culprit and accuse someone innocent > everyone but the culprit gets executed = culprit "graduates"
- The students find the correct culprit and accuse him/her > the culprit gets executed and the rest of the students continue to live inside the school = culprit loses

So, the only way to graduate is to kill someone and escape the blame. That also leads to everyone but the culprit dying. I guess they kind of rushed the explanation in the anime, but considering that the next episode is going to be a Class Trial, things should get cleared up. c:
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Vokoca said:
lightcard said:
Monokuma says that the killer will be executed while they should kill people to graduate


mindfucked


The only way to leave the school, a.k.a. to "graduate", is to kill someone, BUT in such a way that no one finds out. That’s the catch. After a murder happens, a Class Trial follows, where everyone tries to determine the culprit. This can have two results:

- The students don’t find the correct culprit and accuse someone innocent > everyone but the culprit gets executed = culprit "graduates"
- The students find the correct culprit and accuse him/her > the culprit gets executed and the rest of the students continue to live inside the school = culprit loses

So, the only way to graduate is to kill someone and escape the blame. That also leads to everyone but the culprit dying. I guess they kind of rushed the explanation in the anime, but considering that the next episode is going to be a Class Trial, things should get cleared up. c:


It's pretty much Monokuma's way of spicing things up so that he'll enjoy it.
Of course, things will get much more interesting in the episodes to come. Like, really really interesting.
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okay.... after watching the 1st episode i thought it would be good and very mysterious. after watching episode 2 now i know an obvious fact.

the fact that if they're gonna have multiple trials, they are ALWAYS gonna guess the culprit correctly. because if they guess wrong then all the characters die. and obviously they are not gonna do that or else the show will end...

woohoo what a surprise. now it's "who will the team guess correctly" because the team is going to be correct no matter what.

so as watchers, we know the team will not choose naegi. we know they will guess correctly all the time. the "murderers" will never escape because they are going to lose the trial everytime, except until the end of the show i guess. unless there becomes a new character lineup.

it would be more interesting if they guess inccorectly and the culprit gets to escape. and no death penalty for the team. it gives them more thrill and scared of the reality they have to face
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Ah I enjoyed this much more than the 1st episode for some reason. The opening song is nice too.
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ZOMGitschu said:
okay.... after watching the 1st episode i thought it would be good and very mysterious. after watching episode 2 now i know an obvious fact.

the fact that if they're gonna have multiple trials, they are ALWAYS gonna guess the culprit correctly. because if they guess wrong then all the characters die. and obviously they are not gonna do that or else the show will end...

woohoo what a surprise. now it's "who will the team guess correctly" because the team is going to be correct no matter what.

so as watchers, we know the team will not choose naegi. we know they will guess correctly all the time. the "murderers" will never escape because they are going to lose the trial everytime, except until the end of the show i guess. unless there becomes a new character lineup.

it would be more interesting if they guess inccorectly and the culprit gets to escape. and no death penalty for the team. it gives them more thrill and scared of the reality they have to face

Well no shit they will guess the culprit each time, thing is the murders at least past here have a shit ton more to them and theres this big twisty over arching plot surrounding why their there that goes places youd never expect to carry the show. That is if the adaption doesnt fuck that up

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Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

tokiyashiro said:

Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

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DJIzzyIzzyHitler said:
ZOMGitschu said:
okay.... after watching the 1st episode i thought it would be good and very mysterious. after watching episode 2 now i know an obvious fact.

the fact that if they're gonna have multiple trials, they are ALWAYS gonna guess the culprit correctly. because if they guess wrong then all the characters die. and obviously they are not gonna do that or else the show will end...

woohoo what a surprise. now it's "who will the team guess correctly" because the team is going to be correct no matter what.

so as watchers, we know the team will not choose naegi. we know they will guess correctly all the time. the "murderers" will never escape because they are going to lose the trial everytime, except until the end of the show i guess. unless there becomes a new character lineup.

it would be more interesting if they guess inccorectly and the culprit gets to escape. and no death penalty for the team. it gives them more thrill and scared of the reality they have to face

Well no shit they will guess the culprit each time, thing is the murders at least past here have a shit ton more to them and theres this big twisty over arching plot surrounding why their there that goes places youd never expect to carry the show. That is if the adaption doesnt fuck that up


The thrill of DGRP doesn't come from "OMG are they going to getit right" but it comes more from who's going to die next and who's going to be the culprit, and mostly from the "whole" story surrounding the school and the characters. Of course you know they're going to win everytime, right?...maybe, maybe not, but that never deterred me from enjoying the game.

Don't be too quick to judge before you see the story for yourself..
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holy shit! :3
2 episodes, and 2 people has dead :/
never thought if sayaka will dead this fast..
and junko.. damn she is dead in front of others :/

about the suspect of sayaka case.. :/
I think the suspect if its not togami, then it will be yasuhiro.. but I think yasuhiro is the suspect.. :/
Jul 13, 2013 8:57 PM

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I bet the girl who was murdered tried to frame the death on the MC boy.
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^ I think it'd be better to put theories under the spoiler tag :d
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Pepto Bismal!!! (sp?)!!! I was surprised they kept the pink blood. O.o
All in all, it's pretty faithful to the game. Still getting used to Monokum moving around ans such though. >.>
Though i feel that they are leaving out a lot of character interactions and other small tidbits that help make sense, but whatever. Still a nice anime adaptation. ;)
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Atikal said:

Though i feel that they are leaving out a lot of character interactions and other small tidbits that help make sense, but whatever. Still a nice anime adaptation. ;)
Well most of the real character depth all happens in the trials, and for some characters post death, and the late game survivors will probably have more room for depth since theres gonna be considerably less character alive come post halfway point, yah the little quirks will be missed but i think we will still get some depth on them
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Immahnoob said:
Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

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Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

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ZOMGitschu said:
.it would be more interesting if they guess inccorectly and the culprit gets to escape. and no death penalty for the team. it gives them more thrill and scared of the reality they have to face


No, it's stupid, it would take all the pressure of false accusation of the tirals. Having that pressure gone, means it's just going to be a guessing game, because there are no consequences if they are wrong. At that rate nobody wants to be a killer, because the demerits of being a killer is higher than being in the team of innocents.

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Poll: » Danganronpa: Kibou no Gakuen to Zetsubou no Koukousei - The Animation Episode 12 Discussion ( 1 2 3 4 5 ... Last Page )

Stark700 - Sep 19, 2013

264 by Scully_ »»
Dec 2, 3:10 PM

Poll: » Danganronpa: Kibou no Gakuen to Zetsubou no Koukousei - The Animation Episode 1 Discussion ( 1 2 3 4 5 ... Last Page )

ihateeveryone - Jul 4, 2013

564 by acpeakkk »»
Nov 2, 6:57 PM

Poll: » Danganronpa: Kibou no Gakuen to Zetsubou no Koukousei - The Animation Episode 3 Discussion ( 1 2 3 4 5 ... Last Page )

Stark700 - Jul 18, 2013

418 by TileIsMyLife »»
Oct 28, 2:21 PM

Poll: » Favorite Characters?

khonsutora - Dec 14, 2013

31 by SwordsMans »»
Aug 8, 9:54 PM
It’s time to ditch the text file.
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