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some nice theories i read here. :) so even though the investigation went by pretty fast in the episode, it was enough to see the evidences and make assumptions.. that's good :-)
AnimeFan500 said: After re watching the episode. These are my top 3 choices on who did it.
Yasuhiro Hagakure
Leon Kuwata
Mondo Oowada
Looking at the evidence. The culprit had to be strong. Able to wield a sword for that matter and cause those slash marks on the wall. Also since they broke the door down and killed Maizono.
R4diance said: why even bother. if i understand right he should have just play along everyone suspect him of murder, therefore they all would be wrong, therefore they all executed, therefore he walks free.
no, only the real killer survives and everyone else gets executed if they guess wrong.
'But why would the dead girl encrypt the message or write the stuff in english upside down. It just does't make any sense at all....
She didn’t encript it. It’s upside down because of the way she wrote it, she was sitting down with her back against the wall - when you look at the wall behind you from such a position (without turning your head), it will be upside down. That’s why she wrote it upside down, which made it look like numbers instead. As for the "English", she probably thought it would be easier to write and read (given her condition) than trying to scribble レオン, or however did they spell his name in the original.
Holy crud, you're right!
It's in freakin L33T! Which means... I know who the killer is! [/spoiler ]
The question is why doesn't Naegi-kun LET them believe it's him? Because he didn't do it, so that's good. If they all choose him, that means they all die and he will live, and it's not by him killing anyone, they would've killed themselves.
pp813 said: The question is why doesn't Naegi-kun LET them believe it's him? Because he didn't do it, so that's good. If they all choose him, that means they all die and he will live, and it's not by him killing anyone, they would've killed themselves.
Well if that was real life it would pretty ****ed up if they choose the wrong guy xD. For the pink blood actually i liked it probably because i read so many complains about it that i thought i would be a LOT worse.
I'm excluding Celestia from my list since it would be pretty obvious be the dark way she acts (wich i really like ^^)
I was also thinking... what if someone suicide? do monokuma would just reveal it or would he keep the game rolling? ;)
pp813 said: The question is why doesn't Naegi-kun LET them believe it's him? Because he didn't do it, so that's good. If they all choose him, that means they all die and he will live, and it's not by him killing anyone, they would've killed themselves.
Man, does people not pay attention, or did they just have bad subs...
Everyone votes for the TRUE Killer = Killer is punished
Everyone votes for wrong person, (Not the Killer = Everyone else is punished, Killer goes out free.
phew,, all according to the original story huh,, that's fine,,
Anyway, the curlpit was not that shocking... you can tell which from their expressions on the trial,
pp813 said: The question is why doesn't Naegi-kun LET them believe it's him? Because he didn't do it, so that's good. If they all choose him, that means they all die and he will live, and it's not by him killing anyone, they would've killed themselves.
Man, does people not pay attention, or did they just have bad subs...
Everyone votes for the TRUE Killer = Killer is punished
Everyone votes for wrong person, (Not the Killer = Everyone else is punished, Killer goes out free.
I think it was a simple misunderstanding because of wording but you are correct. He said that if they choose the wrong person ALL the innocent people get punished, that includes Naegi.
I'm trying hard to avoid spoilers on this, so I may not look at the forums much for this show ...
WOW. That was a freaking brutal 2nd episode. 2/15 dead already. Monobear has got to be the most evil talking animal I've ever seen in an anime, more heartless than Kyubey (sp?) from Madoka and more sadistic than Dung Beetle from Bokurano. What a horrible situation to find themselves in. I'm sure they're going to solve the first murder or two, as otherwise it turns into a very, very short series. "It's Naegi!" "Nope. You all die, except ___" *everyone except 1 asplodes into neon-pink blood while Monobear cackles*
Onyxthegreat said: Pff, two deaths already, they really don't waste time. Somehow I get the feeling Sayaka killed herself, I don't know why.
Really liking how they're actually doing investigations and trials. I didn't know that was part of it.
The pink blood is pretty stupid though. Why try to make a series about killing less mature? I heard someone say it's the same in the game.
As said over and over in this thread, it's not only because of censorship, it's part of DGRP's style and it became a trademark of the game. Is the anime doing something wrong stylistically? I never expected so many people to bash on this, since everyone loved it in the original game.
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,
tokiyashiro said:
Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me
LuisDrk said: I was also thinking... what if someone suicide? do monokuma would just reveal it or would he keep the game rolling? ;)
Nope, Monokuma never reveals the culprit, no matter what happens. Even though he is the one setting the rules, he also takes extra care to follow them. That, and it would break the whole game, which is the last thing he would want. :D If someone commits suicide, they still technically kill themselves, so they’re the culprit, so to speak.
Onyxthegreat said: The pink blood is pretty stupid though. Why try to make a series about killing less mature? I heard someone say it's the same in the game.
Don’t think of it as censorship. While sure, it allows them to get away with more things, it’s there mainly for the style. Danganronpa is meant to be just as crazy as it is dark. To put it the other way, it’s not trying to be mature and gritty, but rather funky and absurd. The "Super Duper" characters should be a hint enough already, if not Monokuma alone.
Blind_Guardian said: I'm trying hard to avoid spoilers on this, so I may not look at the forums much for this show ...
WOW. That was a freaking brutal 2nd episode. 2/15 dead already. Monobear has got to be the most evil talking animal I've ever seen in an anime, more heartless than Kyubey (sp?) from Madoka and more sadistic than Dung Beetle from Bokurano. What a horrible situation to find themselves in. I'm sure they're going to solve the first murder or two, as otherwise it turns into a very, very short series. "It's Naegi!" "Nope. You all die, except ___" *everyone except 1 asplodes into neon-pink blood while Monobear cackles*
5/5
Oh, if only it was that quick and painless. The executions are much, much worse than that. They’re just as ridiculous and twisted as the mascot. :D
Onyxthegreat said: The pink blood is pretty stupid though. Why try to make a series about killing less mature? I heard someone say it's the same in the game.
Don’t think of it as censorship.
Well, taking about facts, it is indeed a form a censorship since they want to avoid getting a +18 rating. But it was a perfect match with the style of the game, and then they ran with the idea, and make it a staple with the sequel also using pink blood.
At least they made it much more noteworthy, making it "if it's not Pink it's not Dangan Ronpa".
LuisDrk said: I was also thinking... what if someone suicide? do monokuma would just reveal it or would he keep the game rolling? ;)
Nope, Monokuma never reveals the culprit, no matter what happens. Even though he is the one setting the rules, he also takes extra care to follow them. That, and it would break the whole game, which is the last thing he would want. :D If someone commits suicide, they still technically kill themselves, so they’re the culprit, so to speak.
Onyxthegreat said: The pink blood is pretty stupid though. Why try to make a series about killing less mature? I heard someone say it's the same in the game.
Don’t think of it as censorship. While sure, it allows them to get away with more things, it’s there mainly for the style. Danganronpa is meant to be just as crazy as it is dark. To put it the other way, it’s not trying to be mature and gritty, but rather funky and absurd. The "Super Duper" characters should be a hint enough already, if not Monokuma alone.
Blind_Guardian said: I'm trying hard to avoid spoilers on this, so I may not look at the forums much for this show ...
WOW. That was a freaking brutal 2nd episode. 2/15 dead already. Monobear has got to be the most evil talking animal I've ever seen in an anime, more heartless than Kyubey (sp?) from Madoka and more sadistic than Dung Beetle from Bokurano. What a horrible situation to find themselves in. I'm sure they're going to solve the first murder or two, as otherwise it turns into a very, very short series. "It's Naegi!" "Nope. You all die, except ___" *everyone except 1 asplodes into neon-pink blood while Monobear cackles*
5/5
Oh, if only it was that quick and painless. The executions are much, much worse than that. They’re just as ridiculous and twisted as the mascot. :D
The 1st one more than anything, like the rest of the executions have this so over the top style that it feels like dark humor(and thats what it is), the first execution is just dark and its one of the few times watching anything in a video game or video or whatever that actually made me cringe a bit, its kind of brutal
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,
tokiyashiro said:
Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me
Onyxthegreat said: The pink blood is pretty stupid though. Why try to make a series about killing less mature? I heard someone say it's the same in the game.
Don’t think of it as censorship.
Well, taking about facts, it is indeed a form a censorship since they want to avoid getting a +18 rating. But it was a perfect match with the style of the game, and then they ran with the idea, and make it a staple with the sequel also using pink blood.
At least they made it much more noteworthy, making it "if it's not Pink it's not Dangan Ronpa".
Yeah, I know. Of course, it will technically still be a form of censorship, no matter how creative it is. I’ve just wanted to say that it might be easier for the newcomers to "accept" if they think of it more as a Danganronpa quirk, rather than a censor - because while it is both, I think that by now, the former should be more important, since it’s so consistent that it’s the staple, as you mentioned.
It’s not like, say, in Shaft’s Bakemonogatari, where they do one scene in particular all colorful to convey the brutality in a reasonably clear way that still manages to stay acceptable. I’d think of it more as a censor there, since it was just one scene, whereas in Danganronpa it has become it’s own thing, even if it started as a censor, as you mentioned. ^^
I hope that makes sense, my English isn’t that amazing. :D
Red blood would be too dark, it wouldn't fit DGRP's style and atmosphere at all.
Before anything, DGRP is mostly black comedy, and being too heavy/serious doesn't work for its style.
Maybe people are being confused since it's only been 2 episodes and they don't quite grasp what DGRP is going for.
That was actually a pretty good second episode. It covered a lot of ground and yet never felt unevenly paced like the first one. I have to wonder though if the blood that looks like paint was an artistic choice or some form of censorship. Maybe both?
NorseFTX said: Alright, based on only the information we were given in the anime, here is my super duper awesome theory on who the killer is--!
The killer is most likely Togami!
Allow me to explain.
Exhibit A: Glass Sphere
At first glance, the broken crystal ball in the garbage disposal room is awful suspicious, and Hagakure was the first person who came to mind since the ball belongs to him, as we saw in Episode 1. However, the more I thought about it, the more strange it seemed--if this is the garbage disposal room and the culprit was trying to get rid of the evidence, if it was Hagakure, he wouldn't have left something as incriminating as the crystal ball there if he could toss it away (this is the garbage disposal room, after all). This leads me to believe that Hagakure wouldn't have left the crystal ball out in the open, and it may instead be a red herring added by the culprit to deflect suspicion away from them.
This then makes me wonder--who could have committed the crime? In order to possibly narrow down suspects, I'm first going to take a look at the site of the crime.
Exhibit B: Naegi's Bathroom Door
It's quite apparent that someone did something to the door there. This means it's someone who didn't know about the door's "trick"--so it couldn't have been Naegi or Maizono who did that to the door. Someone earlier in the thread mentioned that it could have been opened using one of the tools in the toolbox that are found in the drawers.
Exhibit C: Toolbox
As you can see, there is a screwdriver with multiple heads in the box. Based on the above, the one who dislodged the bathroom doorknob didn't need to be particularly strong to break the door down; almost anyone could have done that to the door given that Monokuma left everyone a tool set as a "gift" based on Monokuma's poster note that Naegi reads. However, Naegi and Maizono both know the door is unlocked, and know the trick to opening the door. This leads me to believe that there was someone in that room besides Maizono or Naegi who broke the doorknob (so although Maizono's suicide is a possibility, it seems unlikely as there is a third member involved). Recall that Naegi's room was unlocked when he ran back to his room looking for Maizono--someone may have undone the lock using their tool set as well.
Entry to the room does not seem to rule any additional people out. So next--the remnant of a piece of clothing in the garbage disposal room.
Exhibit D: Burnt Dress Shirt
It's burnt on the edges, which indicates to me someone tried to get rid of the original article of clothing. It's a cuff of a dress shirt; it doesn't belong to Maizono as her sleeves were still intact on her corpse (and her sleeves are blue). The people who wear white cuffs similar to those are: Hagakure, Yamada, Ishimaru, Fujisaki, Kuwata, and Togami. These people, based on the burnt dress shirt, are highly suspicious.
Exhibit E: Cuff Comparison
From top left, in reading order, these are Hagakure, Fujisaki, Yamada, Kuwata, Togami, and Ishimaru's cuffs. Hagakure's cuffs are rolled up, so I find him not likely to be suspicious (along with the fact of the glass sphere being left in the garbage room when he could easily have disposed of it if it were him). This leaves the other five. Something I found odd is that the blood on the burnt cuff is just on the edge, while you could see from the corpse that there was ample strawberry milkshake everywhere. How come...? --One way this might happen is for the white cuff to have been protected by an overcoat of some sort. The overcoat will block the majority of the blood splatter--except at the edge of the cuff, where we see the blood. Fujisaki, Yamada, and Togami's outfits all match this, while Kuwata and Ishimaru do not fit.
Based on this, my suspicions are now on Fujisaki, Yamada, and Togami. The overcoat and dress shirt would be discarded, but a piece of the dress shirt was not completely incinerated.
Regarding the dying message, others in this topic have pointed out that it spells out a name. However, this could easily be a red herring--the killer could easily have left the message there to redirect suspicion away from him/herself. Additionally, if the true murderer saw the name, he or she could easily change or erase it.
On the room sign switch, as others in this topic have stated as well--it is entirely possible that Monokuma switched the signs after the room switch was made in order to help instigate the murder.
How do we narrow down the suspects from there? The evidence is scant at this point, though we still can focus on the actions of each of the suspects prior to and during the investigation.
Based on the state of the room (the slashes throughout the room and on the door in Exhibit B), it seems a relatively drastic struggle occurred in the room. This makes me feel that Fujisaki is unlikely. She seems like she isn't strong enough to weild a weapon and cause destruction to a room on that level. I cannot completely rule her out, though--maybe she's stronger than she looks. She isn't high on the suspect list, though--she is less suspicious than the others, as you will see.
Yamada actually brought Naegi to the garbage disposal room during the investigation, which may possibly be seen as him trying to direct Naegi to the crystal ball red herring. However, he didn't seem to react at all when the burnt dress shirt was on the floor. He may just be a good actor; I'm unsure.
Finally, Togami is the last one to arrive at their meeting on the morning the murder is discovered. He also goes out of the way to point out to the rest of the class that, "I came straight here from my room." It is possible that his tardiness is the result of some other unmentioned actions, or a late night. He seemed very nonchalant about Maizono's death, and also was the first to ask, "Let's say the culprit is among us. He'd be able to graduate from here, yes?". He seemed awful eager for the details on graduation. He also gave Naegi a hard time, asking him to "show proof" if he claims he is innocent, throwing suspicion on Naegi.
In truth, I can't really narrow it down beyond Fujisaki, Yamada, and Togami based on current evidence (I'm not sure if the game had more that I was missing), but currently, my suspicions are on Togami.
Let me know what you think! But for the people who played the game--don't spoil me. =P
Garbage disposal room is locked(you can enter the room, but the incinerator and everything is blocked by a gate/fence/cage thing. Actually, I think it's more of the wall of a cage. Like, huge pipes with some gaps in between them. It looks like that. Also, huge. Can only be disabled via key, which Yamada has been assigned to hold first. Glass ball is found broken directly below the on/off switch of the incinerator. Distance between incinerator/on off switch and gate/fence/cage thing is considerably far.
Also, I'd like to elaborate on the toolbox thing. Only the GUYS have the toolbox, I think the girls got a sewing kit or something like that.
And while the 11037 thing could've been a red herring, you still can't exclude the possibility that it was Maizono's dying message.
Also, about Togami's nonchalant-ness. That's his personality. He stands on the highest peak of society, so he thinks everyone is below him. He's pretty much Resident Heartless.
You really shouldnt shoot down theories like that, those other evidence will likley be revealed by other characters next week, your taking the fun out of it by telling people the info they dont have yet and spoiling the fun for them. Just let them go in blind, more fun for everyone
Ah--thanks for the concern, but it's alright. =P I haven't yet read the stuff in the spoiler tag, but maybe I will and try adjusting the theory accordingly.
Based on the simple fact that I was "shot down"--does that mean I'm wrong? Or are you actually trying to lead me away from the real answer? (...Actually, I don't want you to answer that. XD)
I just find this fun, and want to try to do this for all the cases. =P Whether I'm really right or not--...well, I'll find out.
DenjaX said:
VoidNoodle said: Again, for theory-crafters. But anyway. Quite fun watching them create speculations. :)
Thing is, he wasn't asking for further evidence. He's only asking if his logic was plausible. And quite frankly, his logic makes sense with concrete details. Although I have a problem with one thing (from anime point of view only). And there you are shooting theories down by showing unknown evidence to the anime viewers. That will only spoil the fun for them.
Oh? What was the issue you had?
--I'm not a "he", by the way, but that's alright. It must be my username, since I get that a lot. =P
AnimeFan500 said: @NorseFTX: I love your theories.
Heh heh. Thanks. =P I've no idea if I'm right, but I had fun with it myself.
Haha i can't believe people are complaining about the pink blood, personally thought it was a good touch and adds a punk feel to the anime, and to be totally honest this show wouldn't be right with a gore aspect added to it in which red blood would of done. For now i have no complaints about the show and am just gonna enjoy the ride.
Striking from nowhere. Killing with accuracy. This is who I am.
lightcard said: Monokuma says that the killer will be executed while they should kill people to graduate
mindfucked
The only way to leave the school, a.k.a. to "graduate", is to kill someone, BUT in such a way that no one finds out. That’s the catch. After a murder happens, a Class Trial follows, where everyone tries to determine the culprit. This can have two results:
- The students don’t find the correct culprit and accuse someone innocent > everyone but the culprit gets executed = culprit "graduates"
- The students find the correct culprit and accuse him/her > the culprit gets executed and the rest of the students continue to live inside the school = culprit loses
So, the only way to graduate is to kill someone and escape the blame. That also leads to everyone but the culprit dying. I guess they kind of rushed the explanation in the anime, but considering that the next episode is going to be a Class Trial, things should get cleared up. c:
lightcard said: Monokuma says that the killer will be executed while they should kill people to graduate
mindfucked
The only way to leave the school, a.k.a. to "graduate", is to kill someone, BUT in such a way that no one finds out. That’s the catch. After a murder happens, a Class Trial follows, where everyone tries to determine the culprit. This can have two results:
- The students don’t find the correct culprit and accuse someone innocent > everyone but the culprit gets executed = culprit "graduates"
- The students find the correct culprit and accuse him/her > the culprit gets executed and the rest of the students continue to live inside the school = culprit loses
So, the only way to graduate is to kill someone and escape the blame. That also leads to everyone but the culprit dying. I guess they kind of rushed the explanation in the anime, but considering that the next episode is going to be a Class Trial, things should get cleared up. c:
It's pretty much Monokuma's way of spicing things up so that he'll enjoy it.
Of course, things will get much more interesting in the episodes to come. Like, really really interesting.
okay.... after watching the 1st episode i thought it would be good and very mysterious. after watching episode 2 now i know an obvious fact.
the fact that if they're gonna have multiple trials, they are ALWAYS gonna guess the culprit correctly. because if they guess wrong then all the characters die. and obviously they are not gonna do that or else the show will end...
woohoo what a surprise. now it's "who will the team guess correctly" because the team is going to be correct no matter what.
so as watchers, we know the team will not choose naegi. we know they will guess correctly all the time. the "murderers" will never escape because they are going to lose the trial everytime, except until the end of the show i guess. unless there becomes a new character lineup.
it would be more interesting if they guess inccorectly and the culprit gets to escape. and no death penalty for the team. it gives them more thrill and scared of the reality they have to face
ZOMGitschu said: okay.... after watching the 1st episode i thought it would be good and very mysterious. after watching episode 2 now i know an obvious fact.
the fact that if they're gonna have multiple trials, they are ALWAYS gonna guess the culprit correctly. because if they guess wrong then all the characters die. and obviously they are not gonna do that or else the show will end...
woohoo what a surprise. now it's "who will the team guess correctly" because the team is going to be correct no matter what.
so as watchers, we know the team will not choose naegi. we know they will guess correctly all the time. the "murderers" will never escape because they are going to lose the trial everytime, except until the end of the show i guess. unless there becomes a new character lineup.
it would be more interesting if they guess inccorectly and the culprit gets to escape. and no death penalty for the team. it gives them more thrill and scared of the reality they have to face
Well no shit they will guess the culprit each time, thing is the murders at least past here have a shit ton more to them and theres this big twisty over arching plot surrounding why their there that goes places youd never expect to carry the show. That is if the adaption doesnt fuck that up
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,
tokiyashiro said:
Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me
ZOMGitschu said: okay.... after watching the 1st episode i thought it would be good and very mysterious. after watching episode 2 now i know an obvious fact.
the fact that if they're gonna have multiple trials, they are ALWAYS gonna guess the culprit correctly. because if they guess wrong then all the characters die. and obviously they are not gonna do that or else the show will end...
woohoo what a surprise. now it's "who will the team guess correctly" because the team is going to be correct no matter what.
so as watchers, we know the team will not choose naegi. we know they will guess correctly all the time. the "murderers" will never escape because they are going to lose the trial everytime, except until the end of the show i guess. unless there becomes a new character lineup.
it would be more interesting if they guess inccorectly and the culprit gets to escape. and no death penalty for the team. it gives them more thrill and scared of the reality they have to face
Well no shit they will guess the culprit each time, thing is the murders at least past here have a shit ton more to them and theres this big twisty over arching plot surrounding why their there that goes places youd never expect to carry the show. That is if the adaption doesnt fuck that up
The thrill of DGRP doesn't come from "OMG are they going to getit right" but it comes more from who's going to die next and who's going to be the culprit, and mostly from the "whole" story surrounding the school and the characters. Of course you know they're going to win everytime, right?...maybe, maybe not, but that never deterred me from enjoying the game.
Don't be too quick to judge before you see the story for yourself..
Pepto Bismal!!! (sp?)!!! I was surprised they kept the pink blood. O.o
All in all, it's pretty faithful to the game. Still getting used to Monokum moving around ans such though. >.>
Though i feel that they are leaving out a lot of character interactions and other small tidbits that help make sense, but whatever. Still a nice anime adaptation. ;)
Though i feel that they are leaving out a lot of character interactions and other small tidbits that help make sense, but whatever. Still a nice anime adaptation. ;)
Well most of the real character depth all happens in the trials, and for some characters post death, and the late game survivors will probably have more room for depth since theres gonna be considerably less character alive come post halfway point, yah the little quirks will be missed but i think we will still get some depth on them
JizzyHitlerJul 13, 2013 10:55 PM
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,
tokiyashiro said:
Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me
ZOMGitschu said: .it would be more interesting if they guess inccorectly and the culprit gets to escape. and no death penalty for the team. it gives them more thrill and scared of the reality they have to face
No, it's stupid, it would take all the pressure of false accusation of the tirals. Having that pressure gone, means it's just going to be a guessing game, because there are no consequences if they are wrong. At that rate nobody wants to be a killer, because the demerits of being a killer is higher than being in the team of innocents.