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| I'm loving this anime even if I don't like mechas. Looking forward to watching Ledo adapting to life there, it should be funny to watch. But we shouldn't forget this is an urobutcher work... |
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| This thread has evolved into a pointless debate where people don't debate the main idea anymore and instead just replying to weak/minor arguments and personal complaints to strengthen their position. Seriously, I think the initial post flood is started by some posts in third page where some people are raging and blowing things out of proportion.... Which evolving to 20++ page of debating whether pirates are rapist or not, whether there are killed bodies or not, etc which are not even really relevant anymore. We got it,it's not a totally smart move. It caused casualities, although not as big as implied by some person here. There are two sides arguing using their own set of assumptions. I wont repeat my argument anymore, since there are a lot of good arguments which are not even replied anymore anyway, and there will be no side who accepting their defeat in this debate, so let's call it here. Just remember that logic has a high amount of relativity and move on. To those who still hold their argument about illogical action of the Gargantia : There are a lot of people here who have no problem with Gargantia's logic, meaning we simply have different set of value against this situation. You can treat it as viewing a different culture (just like visiting a different country with another culture), something which may be elaborated deeper in next episodes. That way probably you could watch the show without killing your own fun. Remember,you're actually at loss. Those who have no problem with their logic could potentially enjoy this show more than those who stick with their personal logic. So, relax dude :) P.S Why that discussion from jurrasic ages about nuclear bomb brought back to the surface again? It's not a really good analogy of mine, rather than comparing the effect of the weapon I was only going to compare a situation where some people are introduced with a rather unknown weapon and we have clarified that. Please don't bring that back. |
| I wonder where the story will head... I thought it'll be 2-cour but it's not. Another good episode anyway. |
| The weird part to me about the logic debate going on in this thread is that the logic of their actions is being questioned in the show itself. The whole point is that their society doesn't really make sense to Ledo, but I presume that eventually he will come to see their point of view. Endlessly debating it after 3 episodes is strange seeing how it appears to be a running theme that will be expounded on and explained later. Sheesh. Even if the logic bothers you this much, you could at least give them a chance to tell their whole story before you nitpick it with 10,000 word posts. |
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| Overpowered Yunboroid is Overpowered @_@ Well, I don't expect that Pirate Lady already died Maybe later she become the last bost or middle boss? One thing, Chamber can't fly, it's floating XD j0x said: P.S. if you wanna know more about my previous replies here - http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=589201&show=300#msg21599167 Please don't be so serious it XD |
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| Script writing on its lowest low. Dialogues were built with the most cliche set of anime sentences, probably on lunchbreak written on piece of mcdonalds cardboard. The characters are carbon copies of characters of other series, they have no unique characteristics, nor they try to. And seriously, Rackage? Because, she has a huge rack? I bet that writter was so smug coming up with that name. In the end this is somewhat between a really bad macross zero and some shounen trainwreck. Why do I feel embarassed to ever entertaining a thought about watching anime in second decade of this century, when I was fine in the middle of last. |
| Woah I can see this thread went places. Anyway another enjoyable episode. |
| This show is going places, found myself enjoying this episode a lot, like A LOT. |
The forums are dark, and full of ego. |
| What the hell was that! Such a terrible setting for moral values - to blame some one for their own decisions and then also wanting to sell Ledo (the one who helped them) to the enemy just to save (for a short time) their asses. This episode made me sick. No moral values on the human side. Only rational actions and decisions are done by Ledo. He is much more mature than the Grand Admiral and all his advisors. Here is how it went: - Please help us, help us! - OK. (Ledo goes saves their comrades who were about to be raped). - What have you done? It is your fault! - I want to help you. - We are going to sell you to the pirates! - I still want to help you. - It is your fault! We don't kill or use weapons..... Or there is a fleet of pirates... Fire!!! - Do you need my help? - Kind of. Go to the pirates, don't kill anyone. All the killing will be done by our guns. This is our 'no-kill' policy. (probably that no machines out of space are aloud to kill, but the earth weapons are). - OK. (Ledo goes there, returns, saves their General Commander. Every one is happy. Even the retreated pirates, because they are still alive. And the viewers, because the pirates are alive and the confrontation in this anime and anime itself can continue - easy manageable expectations. No suspense. No Drama. Too simple.). Additionally: The Grand Admiral can't make any decisions. The girl (whose farther did something great for their fleet) is going to make it. What makes here qualify for this? The fact that her farther could do it? And the Grand Admiral can't? (Because he is too old? or because he is a coward?) What a terrible story telling. |
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| If they are going to fight the pirates anyways, why not just ask Ledo to destroy the enemy's fleet without killing anyone? This way, there can be zero deaths on both sides. |
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BlackShock_ said: A bunch pirate without their fleet and weapon. I think it was very shame to leave to as such .If they are going to fight the pirates anyways, why not just ask Ledo to destroy the enemy's fleet without killing anyone? This way, there can be zero deaths on both sides. |
| great eps! man there're so many awesome animes this spring! XD |
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| Absolutely nothing interesting so far. Hope it gets better in the next 9 episodes. |
| I'm mixed here, on the one hand I think this shows more advocate fanbase (the one that shits all over the other two mecha shows but hold this up as a masterpiece after less than a month of episodes) needs a dose of humble pie and healthy criticism to balance out the discussion in coming weeks, on the other I refuse to support some of the more blatant trolling and thread shitting going on. It'd be nice if mecha/sci-fi shows didn't always have to deal with pages upon pages of this stuff in general but I guess it looks like Gargantia is in the similar place Valvrave and Majestic Prince are now at least for one week. Imagine all it took was incidental plot development to essentially flip the board. |
| Ledo is pretty cool but everyone is just happy-happy wonderland with this, this show needs more action and badass things. Hopefully something serious will happen soon. |
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| As much as i agree i must say not everyone is "Happy-Happy" In fact most of them want him dead, sure after he helped them with the bandits they warmed a little. But lets face it, they dont want anything to do with him, if amy was not there they would try to kill him for sure. The only reason they are keeping him alive right now is because they want chamber. |
Gunnisberg said: the fuck happened to this thread? Also why has no one talked about how absurd the lobster and shark mechs are, when they're set in a scavenger world. Also 5/5 that Ed was really cute. I think they were stupid, silly and childish, BUT, I didn't think it was particularly realistic. I think it's definitely possible, as the head of a bunch of pirates, to get what you want even in a world where resources are scarce. Also, since the person who said that was a benevolent ruler, he probably meant scarce for a population of people, not one affluent ruler... |
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| I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks the Earth people are complete idiots and stupid. They stand on moral superiority over what? Were they going to NOT kill the pirates about to rape and murder people while they stole things? No, they had their guns out. Then they get angsty because he killed the pirates. And you don't kill people. Hey, what was their plan for 3 episodes straight? Drop MC into the ocean and steal his mech because they CAN. That's some real human spirit and compassion. Then they go out to have a sea battle where NO ONE WILL DIE? I saw both sides shooting ACTUAL bullets. I'm pretty sure ACTUAL DEATH occurred in that battle on both sides. Even if they didn't want to ask MC for help, clearly they have killed before, were going to kill both times, and intended to kill in the future. They just were not as good at it. Kind of some backhanded, hypocritical, heavy handed moral preaching. Meanwhile MC and Jailbaits romance develops further, how long before they become OTP or will just every female cast member fall for him? At least the main character is cute. -.- Also on reading back; I took the robots statement that no one was killed to mean that he and MC didn't kill anyone, thus holding their end of the bargain up. I'm pretty sure other people still died via the fleet. |
shinnlorankiraApr 23, 2013 5:57 PM
| Eh, I'm going to be lazy and just copy paste a post I made on another forum. Normally, I would agree that whole "no killing" thing is stupid, but in this scenario, I'm going to disagree. Why? Because here, out of nowhere you have an alien that's so overwhelmingly powerful that it's by sheer chance that he's on your side. In this case, I think the implication was less about "killing is bad" but more on "holy fuck, how is something like that even fucking possible, oh fuck!". Yeah, he saved them, but it was in a manner that was, from the natives' pov, just so crazy and beyond their rationality that it's not surprising that they reacted the way they did. Because at that point, the threat of being killed by pirates just seem so freaking insignificant in comparison to what this alien was able to do. |
| Episode 03 was good too and I wonder if the Pirate Queen will forever be a pirate? I feel this anime draws some inspiration from TTGL with certain characters like Bellows and the Pirate Queen. I thought Magi had super strong links to TTGL too. I'm a little surprised that this series is only going to be 12 episodes but because of the scale of it's universe, I'm sure it will get a 2nd season. I am aware that the manga for this started literally 3 months before the anime started airing, which makes me wonder if this was a project intended for anime from the get-go, I believe it is, since it takes awhile for an anime to be made. :rolleyes: |
| I'm a bit disappointed in this episode because of the "waaaa no killing" thing, it was really misplaced IMO. If this is going to be a "fun" battle anime then there was no need to even bring it up in the first place. I know part of it was to prevent the "why doesn't he just vaporize the enemies" questions in the future while still having battles. It could have been handled a lot better though. |
| I like the way how he pronounce "Arigato" it's so cute! Arghh!! I can't wait for the next episode!! >///< |
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| Good episode packed with some decent action!!! Interesting the way how the pirates tried to battle the fleet and the way how Ledo and Chamber handled them as well as reducing the casualties was very well done especially at the end where they demanded surrender from the leader in which they then threw them far away which was so hilarious!! Looking forward to how they progress in the next episode!! 5/5 |
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| Stupid shounen, clichefest, really boring episode. Even those battles and their enemies were written pretty badly. Nothing really happened in terms of story. They should at least invite him in after all of this. And I really don't get it why they shouted at him first when he was aiding them against enemies. They had no intention to let them live after all. And there were fires and canonballs in later fight with pirates - on both sides. There have to be some casualities. Not to tell that they agreeded that he saves them in the end. So their derogation of him for those kills at the beginning was pure hypocrisy. I thought Urobuchi is writing this but it seems we got some dumbed down version of his vision or he is pretty bad at writing this. Suspension of disbelief was not working there. I really don't like this episode at all. |
Mich666Apr 24, 2013 4:07 PM
Wordsmith said: Misiakk said: I don't see why they couldn't have just had him kill all the pirates. I mean in the first battle it took him like 5 seconds to kill the fleet that was attacking. Even against the entire pirate fleet I'm sure the results would have been the same, so why couldn't they have just had him kill all the pirates? Then they would never have to deal them ever again, but no. Instead they continue their "no kill" policy, leaving these pirates to be a reoccurring foe in the series. Then again, I suppose if everyone in the show thought logically we wouldn't have a show. I still find it annoying though. nina4life said: Couldn't agree more. |
LittleCaesarsApr 24, 2013 4:27 PM
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| Not bad, although there is a battle for mankind going on in space and here we are in a setting fighting off pirates.. Chambers is meant for battles in space, he can disable, decimate, and kill anything and everything on Earth. Yet we still need some action, so here we are fighting pirates that aren't even close to the same level. It was obvious, before it even started, who was going to win. So, I hope next episode the story advances. While I really like the series, I would also like things to move slightly quicker. Other than that, I like how it ended, really great way to end the episode. 4/5. |
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shinnlorankira said: I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks the Earth people are complete idiots and stupid. They stand on moral superiority over what? Were they going to NOT kill the pirates about to rape and murder people while they stole things? No, they had their guns out. Then they get angsty because he killed the pirates. And you don't kill people. Hey, what was their plan for 3 episodes straight? Drop MC into the ocean and steal his mech because they CAN. That's some real human spirit and compassion. Then they go out to have a sea battle where NO ONE WILL DIE? I saw both sides shooting ACTUAL bullets. I'm pretty sure ACTUAL DEATH occurred in that battle on both sides. Even if they didn't want to ask MC for help, clearly they have killed before, were going to kill both times, and intended to kill in the future. They just were not as good at it. Kind of some backhanded, hypocritical, heavy handed moral preaching. Meanwhile MC and Jailbaits romance develops further, how long before they become OTP or will just every female cast member fall for him? At least the main character is cute. -.- Also on reading back; I took the robots statement that no one was killed to mean that he and MC didn't kill anyone, thus holding their end of the bargain up. I'm pretty sure other people still died via the fleet. Where did you get the idea that pirates murder them. They don't! Just because they have fire power doesn't mean they used it before. It is there for threat, just like the Cold War. Note how the Lobster lady didnt go and kill everyone, she solely went after the head of ship. |
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civilization said: shinnlorankira said: I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks the Earth people are complete idiots and stupid. They stand on moral superiority over what? Were they going to NOT kill the pirates about to rape and murder people while they stole things? No, they had their guns out. Then they get angsty because he killed the pirates. And you don't kill people. Hey, what was their plan for 3 episodes straight? Drop MC into the ocean and steal his mech because they CAN. That's some real human spirit and compassion. Then they go out to have a sea battle where NO ONE WILL DIE? I saw both sides shooting ACTUAL bullets. I'm pretty sure ACTUAL DEATH occurred in that battle on both sides. Even if they didn't want to ask MC for help, clearly they have killed before, were going to kill both times, and intended to kill in the future. They just were not as good at it. Kind of some backhanded, hypocritical, heavy handed moral preaching. Meanwhile MC and Jailbaits romance develops further, how long before they become OTP or will just every female cast member fall for him? At least the main character is cute. -.- Also on reading back; I took the robots statement that no one was killed to mean that he and MC didn't kill anyone, thus holding their end of the bargain up. I'm pretty sure other people still died via the fleet. Where did you get the idea that pirates murder them. They don't! Just because they have fire power doesn't mean they used it before. It is there for threat, just like the Cold War. Note how the Lobster lady didnt go and kill everyone, she solely went after the head of ship. I guess because they're pirates who run around waving guns and show no compunction about attempting to rape people? Or the fact that they showed no hesitation when it came time to shoot at people? Are you suggesting that the rapist, theiving pirates who pose a threat to the very lives of the fleet by robbing them of vital supplies they need to live and break all moral codes aren't murderers? Lobster lady went for the captain because of a vendetta. They were going to kill everyone they had to to get to him though. And what do you think she was going to do to him? Chew him out angrilly? Did you notice the key feature of her lobster mech? Well let me remind you, since as she clearly joyfully pointed out she was eager TO CRUSH THE CAPTAIN IN ITS CLAWS. That seems like a pretty brutal way to kill for someone who generally doesn't go about it... I'm pretty sure that Bellows whole Cold War analogy was pretty much BS'd so that she could get him to better understand that they wanted the main character to kill less. "And when the pirates come we resist" By showing them the guns? What kind of overly idealistic anime is this? |
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