One Piece Chapter 693 Discussion

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wow luffy is gonna start running....START running. START.
What?

More running, more CC.

Even Doflamingo's dialogue at the end couldn't save this chapter from a 1/5

Also score change for OP for new year's... -1

Let's pray we're on Dressrosa in January.

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Dec 18, 2012 12:18 PM

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Mikasa said:
wow luffy is gonna start running....START running. START.
What?

More running, more CC.

Even Doflamingo's dialogue at the end couldn't save this chapter from a 1/5

Also score change for OP for new year's... -1

Let's pray we're on Dressrosa in January.

I honestly doubt you get what OP is all about.
A manga that is planned to have 1300 chapters can not and WILL not rush through every arc in 10 chapters maximum, each featuring only world-changing events. Did you even read the rest of the manga? OP was always this way, just because you have a short attention span and can't proceed subpots doesn't mean this series is written badly. Think about classical story structure a bit more, will you? Your expections are so unrealistic and outwordly that you are bound to be disappointed.

NidhoeggrDec 18, 2012 12:22 PM

Jojolion anime when?

Dec 18, 2012 12:27 PM

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What he said is right, this arc was average at best. Well it's no surprise, seeing as bleach and naruto are in their final arc while one piece has a marathon going on.
I've never seen oda abuse the cliffhanger feature this much. He could have planned this arc better.
I'm seriously fine with people criticising a show I like, it's still a lot better than butthurt comments

Dec 18, 2012 12:32 PM

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So the idea of long mangas is to make most of the chapters as pointless and terrible as possible? No.
Being long-running allows for controllable build-up, extending worlds and having many characters and their developments. Not to keep running. Not to be goddamn MTV featuring crack babies or whatever. Not for Luffy to just keep punching CC, or the latter getting back up for the sake of...nothing. And of course not for the shonen fights that are meh anyway.

Being a little faster, or even 10 times faster than the current pace is not "rushing"

1300 chapters? Then make every one count.

How is expecting CC to stay down, and them to stop running after a whole arc of doing so and a chapter being decent like last week's , unrealistic?

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Dec 18, 2012 1:06 PM

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I'm seriously fine with people criticising a show I like, it's still a lot better than butthurt comments

the point is, they are criticizing the wrong stuff.. every shounen manga is like this, either slow paced, or too much content can't be put in a chapter to make it good, to satisfy everyone etc..
they should read short shounen-type like Fullmetal alchemist. etc

if you like criticism from people, listen to those who are doing it for the whole arc, like its supposed to be for this type of shounen manga.. because its the only right way to criticize a longrunning manga..

don't listen to the trolls on the internet who are ranting on every chapter (either naruto/bleach..(jeez, seeing people rant for little things that don't matter is hilarious at times))
everybody knows every arc in OnePiece starts slow and boring, then gets interesting at the end.. they just use these moments to get on your nerves..

plus their opinion shouldn't matter anyway.. its about how you enjoy the show

Dec 18, 2012 1:10 PM

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If you don't enjoy something, sure.
Just let others enjoy it, those who do. That is all.

Good chapter this week, not as good as last week, but I find the moment with Doflamingo interesting and the fight with Baby 5 and Franky really fun.
Everyone's getting back together and Monet's desparate move will probably be stopped somehow.

and no, I do not personally want faster pacing, I'm happy with Oda taking time with this and being consistent and climatic in the end rather than have something like the rushed Fishman Island fights and climax. I'm happy he's telling a story in the long run again like the Baroque Works saga, if you didn't like those arcs, you won't like this one cause we won't have something like Marineford again in a long time, rather something more structured like that, a specific story spread out to many arcs, with the climax in the final arc of the saga.

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Dec 18, 2012 1:22 PM

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Heres hoping Monet doesn't die I think she is really cool. Although Oda rarely kills off characters. There may be a twist or something next week . Cannot wait for next week.

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Dec 18, 2012 1:22 PM

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This is what we call an oh shit moment.

Dec 18, 2012 1:24 PM

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Lolack said:

I'm seriously fine with people criticising a show I like, it's still a lot better than butthurt comments

People you need to stop with the "every shonen does it so it's fine" No. It isn't fine. Every shonen..or every manga, has its own style, (not talking about art). If you follow the shonen formula then it's nothing more than a typical shonen. And if ALL shonens are alike, then nobody would watch more than 1, but only watch 1 that represents all.

Problem is, there isn't enough content for a single chapter, the whole running got old and now they're re-using it.

This arc should have gone more in-depth about the whole SAD thing, I mean the whole theme of the arc/island was about this type of stuff. But it seems at best it's gonna get resolved at the end of the chapter just saying what it is (like FI's poseidon) or -at worst- that it only got a cameo and we still don't know about it.

Actually this arc started very interesting and quick but slowed down and became what it is.

First OP arc was slow, Jaya saga was slow but it used that time actually building up the story, and (for the first arc) building the characters. Being slow alone doesn't make it good, it's what you make with that time you got.

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Dec 18, 2012 1:34 PM

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^exactly.. onepiece has its own style.. it has been like this from the fucking Beginning...
if you fastpace every arc from the beginning you will see how a onepiece Arc is made..
boring and slow at the beginning, awesome and with cliffhangers at the end of arcs..

seeing you complain now at every chapter is stupid and immature.. gosh we are now at 700 chapters for God's sake.. this manga is not a masterpiece and don't expect something from it..
no arc will be perfect (for you it started interesting, for others slowly..for others now its awesome, for you it sucks...
as a creator, you know you can't please everyone... so you make it how you make it.. even if some chapters will suck or you won't make it how you wanted to..

once again, complaining about shounen manga is both useless and wrong..
you can't have a 700+chapter manga being good always and in every chapter..

you are in the wrong place to criticize.. this type of shows are just for fun and for the story.. not complaining aobut little details in every panel that are useless (like people running everytime etc...

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Dec 18, 2012 1:35 PM

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Mikasa said:

People you need to stop with the "every shonen does it so it's fine" No. It isn't fine. Every shonen..or every manga, has its own style, (not talking about art). If you follow the shonen formula then it's nothing more than a typical shonen. And if ALL shonens are alike, then nobody would watch more than 1, but only watch 1 that represents all.

Problem is, there isn't enough content for a single chapter, the whole running got old and now they're re-using it.

This arc should have gone more in-depth about the whole SAD thing, I mean the whole theme of the arc/island was about this type of stuff. But it seems at best it's gonna get resolved at the end of the chapter just saying what it is (like FI's poseidon) or -at worst- that it only got a cameo and we still don't know about it.

Actually this arc started very interesting and quick but slowed down and became what it is.

First OP arc was slow, Jaya saga was slow but it used that time actually building up the story, and (for the first arc) building the characters. Being slow alone doesn't make it good, it's what you make with that time you got.

lol, the SAD was explained a few chapters ago.

^ Smokes, that is a very weak excuse. "Oh, it supposed to be that way". No.
This very series has shown that you can have excellent pacing. Pacing has always been a flaw in OP, in some arcs more than others, but in this case it's really exaggerated complaining, this arc's barely been 40 chapters. That is a few chapters short of Sabaody. It is not that draggy with the exception of some lone chapters here and there which many people overreact about. I even foresaw this because WW was such a hectic saga, people were gonna complain about the pace going back to normal and here you have it.

You would not be able to have a proper 2-3 chapter long fight at this point because people will say it is slow, when it was the norm back at Alabasta. I especially hate how short-sighted people are, especially with this series which has shown to be incredibly well planned out.

Judging from the ratings on the chapters, most people seem to really enjoy this arc and personally I do, too. But I'm also interested in seeing what people criticize a series/arc for.

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Dec 18, 2012 1:46 PM

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Except Luffy is not running. How are we supposed to take your bitching seriously when you don't even know what's happening in the chapter? If that is your only (false)complaint about this chapter that makes you give it 1/5 then... i don't even....
And caesar... oh wow, ONE PAGE
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I agree that there was too much time spent on kids, but RUNNING was justified, it became even a GAG. And man, didn't you read marinefrod arc where Luffy was running all the time? srsly this is the same shit like before, same thing during enies lobby. It is also kinda slow, but once again, it always was like that.

Dec 18, 2012 1:51 PM

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I just said the difference, in the beginning the slow pace was USEFUL. It meant build-up.

It did not mean crack babies or running away.

It's when the "action" starts that one piece gets slow. Let's face it, fights are not one piece's forte... and now it's focusing more and more about that. OP is an action-adventure, it started with the adventure part being dominant, so even if I didn't like the action, the adventure was all I wanted. And I got it. After alabasta it had a balance between them, and the fights actually got good and exciting. Even had some choreography and trickery in them (Robin vs Skypiea priest/ Luffy vs Wiper).. but ever since CP9 the action has taken over.

Then we had the whole pre-marineford (post cp9, lily, sabody) they pretty much set up the new world in the most perfect way imaginable. Explored new characters that would occupy the upcoming sagas
,this and BB's awesome plan laid down the whole map for the one piece story and and it got pretty exciting.

So while we got the whole Luffy x Boa, Auction and all, something big was happening at the same time, a whole second half of one piece was being prepared.
You see I was more excited by this build-up than the War itself.

Then? Oh, we get the timeskip, and we get some fake-Straw-hat crew, which reminded me of the fake-Gai team from the Naruto filler wasteland arc. Seriously? That's how you start the timeskip?
After than? Some random jibber-jabber about fishmen and now, crack babies.
What's the point of the build-up if it's not even being used? It was there so that characters would come in naturally and wouldn't feel forced. I wouldn't say the build-up was wasted, but it lost impact, because of the 2 wasted arcs.

Someone already said this somewhere but now all we get is some "glorified teaser" of stuff instead. I mean something just gets mentioned and gets featured years later. That's not really foreshadowing/build-up or at least not nearly as good as it was before.

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Dec 18, 2012 1:57 PM

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Monet is one crazy women.. there goes all hopes of her becoming a Nakama.

The Shield Boomerang.. Captain America anyone?

Anyone else notice Bepo and that Akainu has a beard?

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Dec 18, 2012 2:00 PM

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^ Oh yeah, all of the love for Bepo!

Dec 18, 2012 2:02 PM

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Then? Oh, we get the timeskip, and we get some fake-Straw-hat crew, which reminded me of the fake-Gai team from the Naruto filler wasteland arc. Seriously? That's how you start the timeskip?
After than? Some random jibber-jabber about fishmen and now, crack babies.
What's the point of the build-up if it's not even being used? It was there so that characters would come in naturally and wouldn't feel forced. I wouldn't say the build-up was wasted, but it lost impact, because of the 2 wasted arcs.

Someone already said this somewhere but now all we get is some "glorified teaser" of stuff instead. I mean something just gets mentioned and gets featured years later. That's not really foreshadowing/build-up or at least not nearly as good as it was before.

I agree with fake strawhats and fishman island being extremely underwhelming (though fake strawhats was like 5 chapters long... no reason to be mad) but punk hazard is the shit. This arc is actually a build up and beginning of big things, what did you expect? yonkou wars from the start? one piece never worked that way. In this arc big shit was foreshadowed, two alliances were made, Oda is setting up fight with big mom(law plan most likely) and probably kaidou(through caribou cover story), there is also army of zoan problem and a fall of underworld... if this is underwhelming then i don't know what is not.

Dec 18, 2012 2:03 PM

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It seems Laws crew is alive considering he said his crew isn't here yet,and his ship was pictured nearby.

Dec 18, 2012 2:10 PM

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I'm going to throw a random guess that the heart Caesar has is actually Monet's heart and he is going to crush the heart before Monet can pull the lever.

That actually seems likely to happen. We all know how Law plans things carefully.

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Dec 18, 2012 2:10 PM

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Meow meow meow :3

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Dec 18, 2012 2:11 PM

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Well, that is a convincing argument. lol.

Not gonna try to take you seriously at all anymore now.

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Dec 18, 2012 2:14 PM

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He just can't stand that OP is in top 10 and hiatusxhiatus is not :F

Dec 18, 2012 2:16 PM

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Hunterxhunter fans have always creeped me out. I've read about the first 50 chapters and it's a good series, but geez, the fans scare me.

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Dec 18, 2012 2:18 PM

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This is starting to get boring. Mikasa complains about everything as usual and you guys are all butthurt again, just leave the man be hating, he has his childish reasons to do so and come back every time.
He has the right to say his opinion, no matter how groundless it is, and you have the right to ignore him and not try to set him "on the right path". It's just douchy.

Btw I think it's Kaidou on the left top of the photoshot, and I like the idea about Monets heart in Ceasars hand. It would solve anything without much dmg to the story, though I kinda get the feeling Monets resolve goes a bit to waste, so that's why Oda had to put her as a cliffhanger so she can get the spotlight one last time.

This arc is just bursting with NW information left and right, love it. MOARRR

EDIT: Btw, why is Jean Bart missing as an important crew member of the Heart Pirates in that one Panel where all are together? I mean even Pinguin and his friend are there lol..

Dec 18, 2012 2:18 PM

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@up some people just can't ignore it if it's bullshit, not a true criticism. like this complaint about runing this chapte, seriously Mikasa, they are not running, read it again, come back and say sorry

Dec 18, 2012 2:22 PM

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Dahaka_ said:
And man, didn't you read marinefrod arc where Luffy was running all the time? srsly this is the same shit like before, same thing during enies lobby. It is also kinda slow, but once again, it always was like that.

You see, because it happens every fucking time, it's likely that you might get sick of it or just bear with it (which apparently most fans do) and PH made me reach the point where I for one am sick of it.

Dec 18, 2012 2:22 PM

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^ No, just because it's not anything serious or worth discussing people SHOULD ignore it and focus on the messages that actually are more worth your time.

Dec 18, 2012 2:22 PM

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Eh I won't reply if you're so angry >.>

Jeez don't gang up on my comment if you don't want this again. -_-
I mean you guys ask me why I didn't like it, otherwise it'd be hating and it's fair enough for me to give a reason, then you bitch about it.
-__-

And yes they WERE running, or they started to, lol @started.

Pipoko said:
Hunterxhunter fans have always creeped me out. I've read about the first 50 chapters and it's a good series, but geez, the fans scare me.

:O creepy? scary? What did I do?

Dahaka_ said:
He just can't stand that OP is in top 10 and hiatusxhiatus is not :F

FMA is #4 :P

Oh and

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Dec 18, 2012 2:26 PM

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No, you're okay, I guess(except for the incredibly unreasonable, ungrounded and trollish criticisms you make which you know get reactions out of these people, too, don't you?), but geez, there are some fanatic fans out there, even more so than OP.

You still haven't responded reasonably to any legitimate arguments, so I'll just stop.

Dec 18, 2012 2:29 PM

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It's expected of course from the general fanebase but it's still aimed at the first person who discussed it with me. And no I don't think they are unreasonable. Otherwise I'd have just commented the same way I had with Bleach's chapter

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Dec 18, 2012 2:30 PM

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Donflamengo made his move!

Another pawn getting sacrificed there.

Dec 18, 2012 2:30 PM

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It's expected of course from the general fanebase but it's still aimed at the first person who discussed it with me. And no I don't think they are unreasonable. Otherwise I'd have just commented the same way I had with Bleach's chapter

They are, it doesn't matter what you commented on the Bleach chapter, you're really exaggerating. Just what the hell are you expecting if two huge alliances, Doflamingo, more stuff about Devil Fruits, ties to BigMom and Kaido are shitty to you.
This a set-up arc. It's meant to set-up and introduce plot threads and characters.
You can't have something huge like a character back from Jaya instantly resolved or a
Younkou instantly defeated. It would feel extremely anti-climatic. It's how OP works.
How it always has worked.

Now, I'm done, continue being childish.

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Dec 18, 2012 2:35 PM

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Mikasa said:
Eh I won't reply if you're so angry >.>

Jeez don't gang up on my comment if you don't want this again. -_-

And yes they WERE running, or they started to, lol @started.

Pipoko said:
Hunterxhunter fans have always creeped me out. I've read about the first 50 chapters and it's a good series, but geez, the fans scare me.

:O creepy? scary? What did I do?

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He just can't stand that OP is in top 10 and hiatusxhiatus is not :F

FMA is #4 :P

I'm telling you man, LUFFY. WASN'T. RUNNING. They are running AWAY, but not on foot, by a wagon or some shit, it's not the same. And it's not like they have any choice, so its a little unfair to drag that chapter to 1/5 just because of that. Unfair.

FMA is awesome, but so is one piece ;]

Dec 18, 2012 2:37 PM

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