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Tenchi_Ryu said: ExplodingLemons said: Personally I find Yuuya to be a little bitch. He has personal problems? Well that's just terrible. Everyone else who is there has had their families chomped on and homes destroyed. He needs to man the fuck up and get over it. Yui being a racist bitch don't make it no better though. Why take a pilot who you all thought was great, take away everything he got accustomed too, and then have bitch fits when he finds it uncomfortable. That makes no damn sense. Then she'd make dumb comments like "A 14 year old girl can pilot it". What the hell does that have to do with an american pilot who has received no japanese training til now. Lets see her pilot an American ship perfectly, otherwise STFU. Yuuya doesn't have personal problems that prohibit him from establishing himself. He's making new friends just fine. He has to constantly deal with a nagging ass bitch constantly in his face degrading him. I'd be pissed off too if I had to deal with that shit everyday and didn't have the right to tell her to go kick rocks. You are just American's bitching. Get over it. |
Tenchi_Ryu said: ExplodingLemons said: Personally I find Yuuya to be a little bitch. He has personal problems? Well that's just terrible. Everyone else who is there has had their families chomped on and homes destroyed. He needs to man the fuck up and get over it. Yui being a racist bitch don't make it no better though. Why take a pilot who you all thought was great, take away everything he got accustomed too, and then have bitch fits when he finds it uncomfortable. That makes no damn sense. Then she'd make dumb comments like "A 14 year old girl can pilot it". What the hell does that have to do with an american pilot who has received no japanese training til now. Lets see her pilot an American ship perfectly, otherwise STFU. Yuuya doesn't have personal problems that prohibit him from establishing himself. He's making new friends just fine. He has to constantly deal with a nagging ass bitch constantly in his face degrading him. I'd be pissed off too if I had to deal with that shit everyday and didn't have the right to tell her to go kick rocks. No. The actual problem here is Yuuya and his racism and self-loathing against Japanese. Add to the fact that he is one prideful asshole who doesn't want to get lectured by a Japanese (on how to improve himself piloting the TSF) and starts pointing fingers (mainly the TSF's being called a piece of garbage by him) because things doesn't go his way. At the end of the day, Yui still helped him after all the things he said to her. |
| This is almost as fun as General Discussion. I'm on neither Yui's or Yuuya's side. Both of them did some dumb shit that's nothing to argue about. But other than Yui Yuuya was being a whiny bitch since he started appearing in the show. You guys don't seem to understand that this is the military not some Kindergarden. Obviously they'd swear at each other and obviously Yuuya can't do anything to a superior he just has to deal with it. Either he adapts to his situation or he's dead meat. |
Tanta said: 27CansOfTuna said:  The Japanese Doll, Lt. Takamura, has outdone Chobi (Tarisa) for the worst character. There are so many things wrong with her, like her terrible attitude towards Yuuya Bridges, doesnt she know he is the American Top Gun?! If she was just a bit more understanding then she could be a bit decent. However that is the least of her sins The oddest thing was that Natalies boobs seemed as big as Chobi's head, what even, only noticeable since they were all over her head. That's what annoys me about the series so far, the American bashing and also the hate towards the Japanese from Bridges. To me...it just does not seem very realistic. They really need to take a vacation to America and see the melting pot. All in all, decent episode it didn't piss me off as bad as Ep. 4 did. These people taking this nationalism shit seriously is so laughable. In this timeline, America broke the US-Japan security treaty & abandoned the Japs when Kyoto fell during the BETA invasion Japan. Of course there's going to be resentment of some kind. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnbEKMU3Hio |
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| Seems like a lot of 20-ish American males have a problem with a 20-ish American male not being the perfect and undisputed hero in this show so far. They also don't seem to understand that Yui is riding Yuuya so hard because she knows he has the potential to be a great pilot. However, he needs to lose the ego and stop blaming the machine for his own faults, and that's exactly what she is doing. Yui is trying to help him, because after all, the BETA are the real enemy and they all need to work together if they want to survive. My thoughts on the show thus far: I came into it having never even heard of the franchise, and the series is starting to disappoint me now. Episode 2 was completely amazing, it got my hopes up and seemed to set the tone for this horrible world they live in...now it's basically gone back to episode 1 style slice of life with mechs. At this point you could be forgiven for having expected Yui to be more than a supporting character. I was genuinely interested in her after the first two episodes, but now some douchebag (Yuuya) rocks up and it's turned into every other mecha anime. Hopefully it won't be too much longer before the BETA actually pose a threat to the characters. More PTSD level horrors of war, desperate struggle for survival against the BETA and less shoujo filler with a side of Yuuya angst please. |
-Quasar said: No. The actual problem here is Yuuya and his racism and self-loathing against Japanese. Add to the fact that he is one prideful asshole who doesn't want to get lectured by a Japanese (on how to improve himself piloting the TSF) and starts pointing fingers (mainly the TSF's being called a piece of garbage by him) because things doesn't go his way. At the end of the day, Yui still helped him after all the things he said to her. I'd be more accepting to her if that was the problem, but she came right off the back treating him like shit. She didn't even greet herself without some smartass comments. So it makes perfect sense he's automatically hostile towards her. He already has a resentment towards japanese, so her coming all up in his face like she has a problem and saying he sucks only adds fuel to the racist fire. As if she's acting like all japanese act, and it causes him to do more generalizing. Why would you want to be lectured on using some machinery that you weren't even brought here for? Of course you'd be pointing fingers, if you became well adapted in something, and it got you noticed, that's what you want to use. Its like how bowlers insist on using their personal balls, or pool players using their favorite sticks. Who wants to change things when you feel you are more proficient in what you were using? The anime hasn't really explained WHY they made him use japanese models, especially when he's gotten his rep from an American model. The friend told us that American machines are Power models compared to Japanese models that are Maneuver based. But nobody has explained WHY he had to change. |
Tenchi_RyuJul 30, 2012 2:38 AM
Monad said: You are just American's bitching. Get over it. WTF kind of reply is this? That's like me saying some shit like "Your post is worthless, get over it" |
Tenchi_Ryu said: I'd be more accepting to her if that was the problem, but she came right off the back treating him like shit. She didn't even greet herself without some smartass comments. So it makes perfect sense he's automatically hostile towards him. Yuuya already had a problem with her before they even talked. It's the other way around, Yui just matched his assholish attitude. Tenchi_Ryu said: Why would you want to be lectured on using some machinery that you weren't even brought here for? Because she is Yuuya's superior. Isn't it natural for a soldier to follow his superior? Tenchi_Ryu said: Of course you'd be pointing fingers, if you became well adapted in something, and it got you noticed, that's what you want to use. Its like how bowlers insist on using their personal balls, or pool players using their favorite sticks. Who wants to change things when you feel you are more proficient in what you were using? No you don't. Most of his co-pilots pilots their Japanese TSF just fine. Then he comes off blabbering that the TSF he is using is garbage because it doesn't move the way he wants it to rather than admitting he's just newbie when it comes using it. BAWWW this TSF doesn't work like the way I want it to. Must be defective, garbage, fix it, etc. Sounds just like a spoiled child to me. Also, your comparison can't be way more off since soldiers and athletes are two way very different things. You don't see soldiers complaining because they aren't used to the weaponry they are using, instead they are the ones who adapt to it. |
| After the 2nd episode I was expecting some batshit crazy show. Now all I see is a snorefest. |
-Quasar said: Yuuya already had a problem with her before they even talked. It's the other way around, Yui just matched his assholish attitude. Yuuya's issue was him having conflict within himself, who HE is. He doesn't just go around hating on japanese people. There is definitely some confilict. Yui is no better though, and comes out and calls him a disgrace to japanese people. That was completely out of line, and what really set the fire off. She keeps trying to associate him as japanese, and he doesn't. He considers himself american, thats where the problem is starting. She's insisting on associating him with japanese ways and culture with the war, and that's just not who he is. -Quasar said: Because she is Yuuya's superior. Isn't it natural for a soldier to follow his superior? Its not her orders he has a problem with, its her philosophies. Yuuya has the mindset of a soldier mentality. Yui on the other hand goes by the code of the warrior, and this is one of the main reasons they are conflicting, different views on certain matters. And the fact she seems to only target him and not the other 3 is what gets to him. I'll glad follow orders my superior gives me, but what I believe in is my choice, and I'd be pissed too if someone tried to change my views by force. -Quasar said: No you don't. Most of his co-pilots pilots their Japanese TSF just fine. This episode established that his tuning is different, and is modeled more so on the japanese models. What is being implied is that the other 3 are using machinery they are already comfortable with, like how the Loli is a close range fighter, and she prefers knives and stuff. They GET to use the stuff to their preference, Yuuya DOESN'T, especially with this new unit thats completely different from theirs. -Quasar said: BAWWW this TSF doesn't work like the way I want it to. Must be defective, garbage, fix it, etc. He's adjusting. Its only been 2 weeks, and Yui is already expecting miracles and judging him, and that frustrates him. You have to get accustomed to things, and she's hounding him as if he's been piloting this thing for years. |
Tenchi_Ryu said: Yuuya's issue was him having conflict within himself, who HE is. He doesn't just go around hating on japanese people. There is definitely some confilict. Yui is no better though, and comes out and calls him a disgrace to japanese people. That was completely out of line, and what really set the fire off. She keeps trying to associate him as japanese, and he doesn't. He considers himself american, thats where the problem is starting. She's insisting on associating him with japanese ways and culture with the war, and that's just not who he is. Exactly. This issue is what causes the conflict between him and Yui which is uncalled for. As a soldier, you need to set aside your personal problems from your job which should be his priority. He does go around hating Japanese people because they are viewed cowardly by American people and the reason why he suffered during childhood is because he is half-Japanese. He is a disgrace to the Japanese people because his self-loathing stems from the fact that he is half-Japanese and as a Japanese noble like Yui, of course it considered a disgrace to her nationality. Also, I don't ever remember Yui forcing him to accept the way of Japanese culture or some shit. She just insists that using brute force on it (Amercian style) wouldn't work to a Japanese TSF which is in fact correct. Tenchi_Ryu said: Its not her orders he has a problem with, its her philosophies. Yuuya has the mindset of a soldier mentality. Yui on the other hand goes by the code of the warrior, and this is one of the main reasons they are conflicting, different views on certain matters. And the fact she seems to only target him and not the other 3 is what gets to him. I'll glad follow orders my superior gives me, but what I believe in is my choice, and I'd be pissed too if someone tried to change my views by force. What? He is the appointed leader of this project so of course, if he is the reason why the practice session falls apart (his teammates do very well), of course he needs to get blamed for it. No one is trying to change his views or what bullshit code he has. He is just being asked to adapt to a Japanese TSF by not using his Brute American style. Is it that hard? It only becomes harder because of his shitty pride could not allow himself be ordered by a Japanese superior. Tenchi_Ryu said: This episode established that his tuning is different, and is modeled more so on the japanese models. What is being implied is that the other 3 are using machinery they are already comfortable with, like how the Loli is a close range fighter, and she prefers knives and stuff. They GET to use the stuff to their preference, Yuuya DOESN'T, especially with this new unit thats completely different from theirs. No it isn't. They are all using Japanese type TSF. and combat style specialty =/= technical problems in controlling your mech. Tenchi_Ryu said: He's adjusting. Its only been 2 weeks, and Yui is already expecting miracles and judging him, and that frustrates him. You have to get accustomed to things, and she's hounding him as if he's been piloting this thing for years. Of course he is. No one is expecting miracles from him. It's just that he's a huge diva, personal problems and his humongous ego gets in the way of his job. |
| Now this is getting much worse. And I'm sorry, but the end product of all that testing would lead to certain defeat, simply because it's relying on too many variables. This is a planet Earth where there are already problems with the available pilots number-wise, and yet you'll still emphasize on only a specific skillset, AND at a high-level of proficiency? What kind of an idiot is the author to go with this in the first place? AND there's still nationalist "tensions" even though most of the f**king planet is already under the invading aliens' control? WTF? And I don't get the "maneuverability v. brute force" issue, haven't he exemplified already that you can have both, without really compromising the other? WHY THE F**K STICK WITH JUST ONE OF THEM THEN??? |
entropy13Jul 30, 2012 4:43 AM
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entropy13 said: There is no reason. Just anime.Now this is getting much worse. And I'm sorry, but the end product of all that testing would lead to certain defeat, simply because it's relying on too many variables. This is a planet Earth where there are already problems with the available pilots number-wise, and yet you'll still emphasize on only a specific skillset, AND at a high-level of proficiency? What kind of an idiot is the author to go with this in the first place? AND there's still nationalist "tensions" even though most of the f**king planet is already under the invading aliens' control? WTF? |
liemtodaisu said: The Protagonist [Shirogane Takeru] in Muv-luv Alternative the original novel is saying the same thing as you. But you know human nature, they hurt each other in many ways even though the end is near, that was said by Yuuko sensei, one of the people who are gonna save the earth by many means necessary. This is just a side story, if you wanna know how Takeru save the earth, go read the orignal novel. The main novel deals with lots of stuff from parallel worlds, time travel, quantum physics, politics, humanity's last hope and the best love story. These guys in Total Eclipse are not humanity last hope and just everyday people. http://vndb.org/v/all?q=;fil=tagspoil-2;o=d;s=rating What? North Korea was quite quick in asking help from the "Enemies of our Glorious Leader" (i.e. South Korea and the US) when there was a plague, a drought, floods (like right now, there are flooding there). And the very basic human nature is survival, hurting each other can never improve (and most probably do the opposite) chances of survival when there's another party involved whose actions you can never affect. MartialCadence said: There is no reason. Just anime. Exactly, there's no "reason" for the animal instinct of "survival" yet even that goes out of the window. LOL |
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Yukihirou said: well,... euh, you know, this's not 00 universe (one that's nice, where people understand each other, meh) ! and since America's safe from Beta invasion, of course there would be "tensions", they're already thinking about the post-Beta world benefit, just look at their Raptors and you'll see what I mean. Damn, once agains, my lack of Eng skill prevent me from expressing fully my though >.> All of the tension based on nationalist sympathies are coming from the Soviet Union. Which is pointless since they obviously made a point early on that the Soviets are essentially just "guests" of the US/Canada right now, yet still act as if the Cold War is still on-going. Which is impossible since it is human nature to actually prioritize survival. Quite pointless for the Soviets to be that confrontational when doing so decreases their chances of survival... |
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| That might be the best ep so far , why ? Because it had action . |
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| There is so much wrong with basically everything you said. entropy13 said: This is a planet Earth where there are already problems with the available pilots number-wise, and yet you'll still emphasize on only a specific skillset, AND at a high-level of proficiency? TSFs take time, money and resources to build. What good is a sub-par pilot in a so-so TSF going to do in the war against the BETA? Humans can't possibly match numbers with the BETA, so they need individual soldiers to be much more powerful. AND there's still nationalist "tensions" even though most of the f**king planet is already under the invading aliens' control? WTF? People are arrogant and stupid. You're on the internet, you should have realised this by now. The Americans look down on the other nations who've lost their homeland as inferior, even though they themselves haven't had to defend against the BETA. And I don't get the "maneuverability v. brute force" issue, haven't he exemplified already that you can have both, without really compromising the other? WHY THE F**K STICK WITH JUST ONE OF THEM THEN??? Wrong, wrong, wrong. The American style is to go for power and brute force, while the Japanese style is more about maneuverability. They don't exactly have "both" in one machine. Think of it like martial arts. A lot of them aren't about being stronger and opposing your enemy using greater force, but using their strength against them. Don't block the attack if you can dodge it. You're not going to see a runner built like a bodybuilder at these Olympics because they would sacrifice speed for that strength. |
-Quasar said: Tenchi_Ryu said: He's adjusting. Its only been 2 weeks, and Yui is already expecting miracles and judging him, and that frustrates him. You have to get accustomed to things, and she's hounding him as if he's been piloting this thing for years. Of course he is. No one is expecting miracles from him. It's just that he's a huge diva, personal problems and his humongous ego gets in the way of his job. Not to mention that his only adjusting because he is being pushed. If she just said to him "Of course what was i thinking, this is junk like you say. Lets throw it away and wait until we have an American model for you", then he wouldn't be making progress at anything but just sitting on his ass. His like a kid that he can't do his homework correctly with out having his parents over him giving him the angry look whenever he tries to just throw his book away because his having a hard time solving a problem. |
Shungin12 said: how many volumes of total eclipse are out and how volume does this suppose to cover So far there are 5 Volumes that have been released. The next should be soon but I haven't checked up on it. As for if how many volumes the series is covering I don't know, you could probably find out on muvluv.wikia forum because I have yet to read the novels even though I have them. As for the ep, I think it's developing very well so far since we get to know more about the characters and seeing them slowly change through each other's interactions is quite enjoyable (especially Yui and Yuuya). Yuuya is slowly changing his way of thinking from American/western perspective to Japanese/Eastern perspective. Where as Yui is slowly becoming more tsundere to me. In my opinion it does need more serious human factional disputes and anti-BETA operations into a BETA hive. |
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| This episode is basically about trusting your machine.... Meh.... Moar generic shitz.... But battle between Japanese Doll and Top Gun was pretty good... And Chibi cosplay is MOE.... 3/5 |
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| I really like this show and I'm so glad that will be 24 episodes and this is very strange because usually I don't like mecha animes. However, the fights are pretty well done and I'm loving the interactions between the characters. |
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| Nice Mecha Battle and the boob scene at the dinner xD |
| I first thought there would be too much fanservice in that mecha (looking at the pics in google image), but it's actually not bad. The first ep directly lead me to the second without much thinking which was a good sign. Now up to ep5, the main cast showed up (or a good part of it, we ll see) and the plot moves quite fast. I think I like this anime. Yui got her ass kicked too quickly for my taste, I would have hope she gave him a beating anyway to show the difference between a war veteran and an arrogant brat. |
TheDodoJul 30, 2012 6:44 AM
| Das Feenreich! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUvxzKt5GoM |
-Quasar said: He is just being asked to adapt to a Japanese TSF by not using his Brute American style. Is it that hard? It only becomes harder because of his shitty pride could not allow himself be ordered by a Japanese superior. No, the entire speech between him and his American friend was to inform us yes, it IS that hard switching between American and Japanese machines. Its two completely different functioning units that control, feel, and respond NOTHING alike. I guarantee if we took Yui's ship and dumped her in an american model, she'd be having trouble too in the first few weeks. And you complain about Yuuya, him and Yui is EXACTLY alike, and she has shown to have a hard headed streak as well. Part of that is the reason she saw her friends killed. Now is Yuuya acting spoiled? Yes. But Yui is just as wrong here. BOTH of them have done a shitty job trying to communicate with each other. You're making it seem like Yui is doing nothing out of the ordinary, EVERYONE has taken noticed and even stated that both her and yuuya go out their way to start bickering. Yui is a tsundere straight up, and like ALL tsunderes start, she has trouble expressing what she wants (in this case for him to learn) without going over the top. Hell, you could say BOTH of them are Tsundere. And people are really not giving Yuuya enough credit. Yea Yui might have held back, but she was LEGITIMATELY caught off guard and completely DISARMED, which she was NOT expecting. So he did win the fight against her fair and square. Now in an actual fight, of course she has more in her arsenal to use, but that doesn't change the fact that in the warrior code, in the SWORD FIGHT, she was bested. |
Tenchi_RyuJul 30, 2012 11:19 AM
Monad said: Not to mention that his only adjusting because he is being pushed. If she just said to him "Of course what was i thinking, this is junk like you say. Lets throw it away and wait until we have an American model for you", then he wouldn't be making progress at anything but just sitting on his ass. Not at all. He's here cause he wants to be here. He's a cocky bastard, but he isn't lazy. He's gotten to his high status from hard work, not given anything. |
| Serious question for all the Yui supporters. If she is such a better pilot than Yuuya, why isnt she the test pilot? I mean she actually has combat experince so wouldn't she be the logically candidate? And no I'm not a homer for Yuuya even if he's American, just cause he's keeping the stereotypical cocky jackass American stereotype alive and well -_-... |
Jmac said: Serious question for all the Yui supporters. If she is such a better pilot than Yuuya, why isnt she the test pilot? I mean she actually has combat experince so wouldn't she be the logically candidate? And no I'm not a homer for Yuuya even if he's American, just cause he's keeping the stereotypical cocky jackass American stereotype alive and well -_-... It's not that she is a better pilot, Yuuya got very shitty results on that Japanese machine for god knows how many days, then suddenly learns it all and beats Yui, which feels a bit too drastic to me. If she was not fighting seriously, that's alright though. I am still fan of Yui though, the way she made the others look like fodder was awesome :). |
TheDodoJul 30, 2012 2:15 PM
| Das Feenreich! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUvxzKt5GoM |
| So Yuuya finally embraced his inner YAMATO DAMASHII. Still he's a likable character, stuck between two worlds. Surprisingly enough I'm liking this series even though it doesn't have the amount of BETA Smash like Alternative did. |
What? North Korea was quite quick in asking help from the "Enemies of our Glorious Leader" (i.e. South Korea and the US) when there was a plague, a drought, floods (like right now, there are flooding there). And the very basic human nature is survival, hurting each other can never improve (and most probably do the opposite) chances of survival when there's another party involved whose actions you can never affect. It's a normal reaction from outsiders with logical mindset. While you're in a war condition yourself, there are a lot of factors that contributing your decision, which could be really silly when you use your point of view of observers. Especially since your knowledge about the world right now is pretty limited. For example, U.S army. Actually they already developed their TSF toward TSF v.s TSF aspect (such as developing stealth technology, which is useless against BETA). Using your point of view, this is purely illogical. But, if you know about U.S war tactics against BETA in defense and offense, their current condition in the battlefield, international policy, major humanity plan(s) for the future etc, your opinion become invalid since you just see the conflict from one view point, survival. Human isn't that simple. While survival is very important, you can't simply disregard every other factors that could contribute do decision making, and we still haven't reach that part of story to know that yet. |
| Too much silly fanservice. Also, Cryska should have more screentime. |
| Looks like Yuuya finally learn something.... And will stop putting the fault on others.... |
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maxie said: Pretty good episode, Yuuya bitches less than usual, lol @ "riding the princess", Yui kicks some serious ass (yay Tarisa gets owned so badly), Yui goes easy on him... what? Next episode is beach episode? What the...? I guess it's mandatory nowadays? Anyway, here's a funny picture comparing Yuuya and Takeru (the MC of MLA), it's really not fair, but it's pretty hilarious. Slight spoiler warning. Lol |
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| Pretty decent episode this time, did enjoy it to some extent. |
Nasty001 said: Hardly if that fight lasted any longer Yui would have won her blade might have fallen but i am sure she had more tricks up her sleeve.Whoa, it nice that Yuuya was able to spank that bitch's ass. I think Yui was just showing what a Japanese unit was capable of and she did a good job at that. Also i don't agree with Yui being a bitch you should look at it from her sight. There is allot depending on the units they test there if anything fails and they would have to redesign the units just how long do you think that will take. And time isn't a luxury they seems to have. Normally time is money but time is lives the sooner they can get those units finessed and tested and ready for battle the more lives they can save. You should also take Yui past into consideration in the first two episodes she lost all her friends and she might have lost more people dear to her during that battle and who knows in how many battles she has been after that. It's clear she has experienced more battles then the one we saw during the first two episodes else she would never have made to the Imperial guard not to mention became so skilful. And who knows what she been through in that three year time period we didn't see. If someone here is showing bitchy behaviour it's Yuuya who is acting like a complete asshole. And all that because he had a bad youth, if everyone who had a bad youth would behave like him society would not be able to function. He is just a spoiled brat who doesn't know what it's like on battlefield. |
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