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Jul 29, 2012 10:06 AM

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Jul 29, 2012 10:18 AM

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noyoureinsane said:
Still, it's not fair to just assume that the entire anime will be terrible because of it. I'm not familiar with any of the source material of their adaptions, but I do know that they have been criticized a lot for these. It's okay to be nervous about the adaption, but to just deem it off as "it's going to be shit" like some people have/are before even airing is pretty unfair to the anime itself.

I'll admit, I'm a bit worried myself about how this'll turn out considering my own bad experiences with them (Ano Natsu, Zero no Tsukaima, etc.) but all the intense hate on the adaption already is just, well stupid in my opinion.
The people deeming it shit already aren't thinking logically. Fear of it being shit, however, is logical.

Most of the "intense hate" is directed at J.C. Staff themselves, as well as the fact that such a hugely important adaptation was dropped in their hands to make or break. I guarantee there'd be nothing but hype if a studio that has consistently proven their competence (KyoAni, P.A. Works) had it instead.

Radzeer said:
Since you asked nicely, I will answer. I wasn't talking about the anime, when I said the routes are badly written. It's the VN, the source material that is badly written. If the source material is badly written, how can the adaptation turn out good? That can't be improved. The only good part of the VN is Refrain. The dating sim routes are mediocre if not terrible (like in the case of Haruka).
Just because something in the source material sucks doesn't mean it will still suck in the adaptation. Take Usagi Drop for example. The adaptation improved on the manga vastly just by omitting the second half.

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Key was working close with them IIRC, so they can't possibly mess it up.
This is the only hope I have for it not being terrible. If J.C. was just allowed to have free reign over it, I would have never held onto hope at all in the first place. I can only hope Key is riding J.C.'s asses hard enough to make sure they can't possibly mess it up.

noyoureinsane said:
You're looking into it way too much. KyoAni does better then pretty much any studio when it comes to animation, it's not really fair to compare the two.
This is just plain false. They ARE better than like 90% of animation studios out there, but there is still a significant number of other studios that are strictly consistently better in terms of animation. Saying they're better than "pretty much any studio when it comes to animation" just isn't true.
Jul 29, 2012 10:24 AM

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Honestly it sounds like JC Staff is actually going to try with this one so I'm more than willing to give them a chance
Jul 29, 2012 10:28 AM

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Well, I think it's best to just see how this adaptation turns out. I do know, though, that I'm going to go for the visual novel first just in case JC does do a bad job and all. If that corrupts my opinion of the anime, so be it.
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Jul 29, 2012 10:34 AM

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I've been waiting since Clannad for this and the trailer didn't make me excited. I should be disappointed but, sadly, I was expecting this.

I know it's kind of off topic, but I think this is a good time to ask: I'm watching To Aru Majutsu no Index, I didn't read the light novel, and I've seen many people love that anime....
Is it something amazing going to happen at the end (I'm at chapter 17)? Do people like it just because of the novel? Is this Naruto-style fandom (regular anime over-hyped)? Did I miss something!?
Jul 29, 2012 10:45 AM
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Will watch but I'm expecting a crappy overhyped and overrated show.
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Wahooo new anime by Jun Maeda :)
Jul 29, 2012 10:55 AM

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I've yet to see what's with all the hype with this series, but then again, I've never played the VN. Guess I'll have to wait and see.
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J.C,wait till I play the visual novel.
Jul 29, 2012 11:17 AM

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Today is a good day
Haganai gets a second season, Hentai Ouji is confirmed for an anime adaption, and now this

Today really is a good day
Jul 29, 2012 11:30 AM

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YESS cant wait for fall!!!
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PsychoKitteh said:
Today is a good day
Haganai gets a second season, Hentai Ouji is confirmed for an anime adaption, and now this

Today really is a good day

Umm... Haganai???



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My most anticipated anime for Fall 2012! Can't wait!
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Jul 29, 2012 12:30 PM

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oh wow. *doki doki* can't wait! those character designs look awesome! Horie Yui doing a male voice hmm. I've only seen of her voicing OtoBoku's main char. so that's the only thing i could think of.
Jul 29, 2012 12:36 PM

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Sanguis said:
I've yet to see what's with all the hype with this series, but then again, I've never played the VN. Guess I'll have to wait and see.


You haven't played the VN, and the series hasn't aired, so of course you don't understand the hype around it.
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ccant wait to see what all the hype is about
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Well, the video succeeded in making me want to go play the VN which I have been slacking with. Always something good, right?

Anyway, this can go either way - I've seen J.C. Staff do good stuff (I liked Toradora), and I've seen it butcher stuff terribly (Tsukihime). Flip a coin. It'll either be awesome or terrible, I think. I wish KyoAni had gotten their hands on LB rather than Hyouka (which looks awesome but is fairly boring, imo), then I wouldn't worry at all.
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This october will be fabulous :D
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Spierek said:

Also, them charadesigns. Just plain awful.


Really? They're not significantly deviant from the original designs in the VN.
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yea it was a good VN, hope JC does a good job
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Fall line-up just got a whole lot better. I'll try not to set my expectations too high for JC, but I'm still so excited for this! *crosses fingers* =^^=
Jul 29, 2012 2:36 PM

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I'm still not convinced after seeing the PV.
J.C. Staff will have to pull a huge white rabbit out of their hat to make this work imo.

And Yui Horie as Riki? Why not make him even more female and let Aki do her Yui voice on him.
I hope Horie will at least try to sound manly. That way there's at least one thing better than the VN.


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Tayau said:
Spierek said:

Also, them charadesigns. Just plain awful.


Really? They're not significantly deviant from the original designs in the VN.
I agree, the original designs were not exactly "the epitome of greatness" or anything of the sort. They were pretty average all things considered.

Jul 29, 2012 3:01 PM

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Good news that it will aired sooner. The animation looks okay for me, i hope JC will keep the animation quality and don't mess the story.
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draker said:
Will watch but I'm expecting a crappy overhyped and overrated show.

With so many people already convinced that the show will be terrible, I highly doubt that it will be overhyped and overrated. If anything, I expect it to be underrated.

But then, I wouldn't doubt it people dislike it without giving it a chance. If someone goes into any show already convinced that it will be terrible, the show likely won't change their mind regardless of how great it is, which is a waste. Rather than trying to enjoy the show, they go into the show trying to find every little mistake they can. Therefore, they miss all the good parts because they are only concerned with the bad.
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A few more months...



can't wait to see if it's good :D
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Don't worry, if J.C fails, just play the game. It's awesome.
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Radzeer said:
noyoureinsane said:
I know the souce material. The filler arcs/routes are badly written and they will take up 80% time of the whole show IF they are going to be adapted - and according to the last trailer they will be adapted. And they'll have to rush the best and longest part of the story. They could have easily discarded some routes, like they did in Clannad S1.


I'm guessing you're referring to Kyou's and Tomoyo's arcs, which were not actually discarded. Those arcs were there, but had many things taken out, and were therefore much shorter. From my understanding, this was because much of what happens in those arcs required Tomoya to date someone other than Nagisa, and you can't have an anime with the main character dating 3 characters at once (or you can, but that sounds terrible). I think this is why they released those 2 alternate world specials.

Also, as others have pointed out, the opening sequence to Clannad S1 had scenes from Clannad ~After Story~, so there's still a good chance that Refrain will have its own season.
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I hope Kud gonna kick some doubter's ass...
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If Clannad is about family, the main theme of LB pretty much is about friendship.


maturation, mostly


Friendship is so cliche, no doubt it was part of the message of the game, but it wasn't the main thing they were trying to get across. Like you said, it's about maturing - becoming independent, and being able to move on despite all the hardships you'll have to face.

This preview gives me hope though. I really hope JC Staff can pull this off, even though it's a tall order for only one season.
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Ozaki said:
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If Clannad is about family, the main theme of LB pretty much is about friendship.


maturation, mostly


Friendship is so cliche, no doubt it was part of the message of the game, but it wasn't the main thing they were trying to get across. Like you said, it's about maturing - becoming independent, and being able to move on despite all the hardships you'll have to face.

This preview gives me hope though. I really hope JC Staff can pull this off, even though it's a tall order for only one season.


Well, the problem is that "a process to be an adult, moving from hardships" sounds a little spoilerish for me, so I don't choose that and pick the initial theme instead. It's like describing Clannad with
or something like that.

But it may be me who thinking too much. Not that I have reached Refrain, anyway. Finishing multiple routes before Refrain is LONG orz
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The countdown begins...
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Leon-Gun said:
Tayau said:
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Also, them charadesigns. Just plain awful.


Really? They're not significantly deviant from the original designs in the VN.
I agree, the original designs were not exactly "the epitome of greatness" or anything of the sort. They were pretty average all things considered.


I agree, and I actually prefer these character designs over the originals. The original designs were a bit inconsistent anyways since the art was split between two designers.
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Jul 29, 2012 5:48 PM

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Holy shit! Now this is some good news! Now I can't wait till October


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Nunnanation31 said:
Radzeer said:
noyoureinsane said:
I know the souce material. The filler arcs/routes are badly written and they will take up 80% time of the whole show IF they are going to be adapted - and according to the last trailer they will be adapted. And they'll have to rush the best and longest part of the story. They could have easily discarded some routes, like they did in Clannad S1.


I'm guessing you're referring to Kyou's and Tomoyo's arcs, which were not actually discarded. Those arcs were there, but had many things taken out, and were therefore much shorter. From my understanding, this was because much of what happens in those arcs required Tomoya to date someone other than Nagisa, and you can't have an anime with the main character dating 3 characters at once (or you can, but that sounds terrible). I think this is why they released those 2 alternate world specials.

Also, as others have pointed out, the opening sequence to Clannad S1 had scenes from Clannad ~After Story~, so there's still a good chance that Refrain will have its own season.
The fact they couldn't go into the parts after Tomoya dates them means that they discarded the route. ALl they kept was the backstory of Tomoyo and the initial part with Kyou trying to shove Ryou into Tomoya's arms. Beyond that everything else from those routes is non-existant in the anime. In fact, most of the meat from the Visual Novel's routes is non-existant even IN THE SPECIALS, because they're 30 minute episodes.

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I never got to play the Visual Novel, so now I really want to watch the anime, a lot of people said that the VN was really good!
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I'm just going to stop myself from trashing and bashing J.C Staff (since I hate them for a lot of bad adaptations of mangas I loved to pieces) and wait till the anime airs. I mean, it could look worse...

And Yui Horie as Riki is a really interesting choice~ (I would prefer Tsubasa Yonaga, but whatever...)
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Jul 29, 2012 6:14 PM

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The VN is indeed awesome. Looks like JCStaff is taking this seriously. I'm pretty excited about this anime.
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I'm just going to stop myself from trashing and bashing J.C Staff (since I hate them for a lot of bad adaptations of mangas I loved to pieces) and wait till the anime airs. I mean, it could look worse...

And Yui Horie as Riki is a really interesting choice~ (I would prefer Tsubasa Yonaga, but whatever...)
It's good to note this would be her second time working in a Key anime (first would be Tsukimiya Ayu from Kanon I believe, uguu xD).

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Didn't expected this. Now i can't sleep lol. Always love Noumi =D.
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It's good to note this would be her second time working in a Key anime (first would be Tsukimiya Ayu from Kanon I believe, uguu xD).

Maybe I should do a fanart of Ayu-chan and Riki then? :D

Anyway, I like Yui Horie's voice, and I think she can do that role. (Thanks god it's not Mirai Nikki's Yuki's VA D:, I just don't like that voice)
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I still hope for the best with this anime - I am not a fan of those JCStaff series I have seen (Shana, ToraDora, Hidan no Aria, to name those that come immediately to mind), but I am not about to dismiss a series based on the studio creating it.

Little Busters! has a great potential for adaptation, and even some room in which an anime might improve on some of the hiccups in the VN.



I think that 26 episodes is enough for Little Busters, actually, though perhaps not including the EX routes. There are fewer routes than in Clannad, after all, and Refrain is much more faster-paced than After Story. A longer series might be nice, but it's rather too much to hope for. So long as the main heroines all get even screen-time, and have their routes' stories adressed, it should be a decent watch at least.

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They will be concentrating more on the heroine routes than Refrain. Which is sad, because the heroine routes in LB! are mediocre at best. I hate Haruka from the heart and her route was the worst piece of shit Key ever produced in it's visual novels. And of course...


I find that anyone who makes such a comment about Haruchin and her route in general should be disregarded in a discussion... Haruka's route is, to my mind, one of the better of the heroines' routes in Little Busters!, and her character is amazingly endearing.

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I think it looks great.
Why is this anime so hyped already though? Is it based on something else?

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Suzune-chan said:
I think it looks great.
Why is this anime so hyped already though? Is it based on something else?


It's a very popular visual novel that came from the same studio (Key, Visual Arts) and same guy who wrote Air, Kanon, Angel Beats! and Clannad.
Jul 29, 2012 7:43 PM

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Wow!!! Ayu as Riki ~uguuu!~

Now that will be interesting.

I think that's quite interesting...
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noyoureinsane said:
Suzune-chan said:
I think it looks great.
Why is this anime so hyped already though? Is it based on something else?


It's a very popular visual novel that came from the same studio (Key, Visual Arts) and same guy who wrote Air, Kanon, Angel Beats! and Clannad.
Ah, excellent. Thank you for the information.

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Honestly speaking, I just want JC to be consistent across the entire series without major fluctuations in production quality. Does anyone know if JC is doing 3+ shows Fall season?
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Why are people complaining about the character designs? Itaru's designs were already absolute garbage. And JC Staff can't possibly fuck up an already shitty visual novel.

In fact, they have the chance to make LB something that isn't Key AIDS. Adapting the terrible character routes might not be a good idea though.
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