| I see these shows on Cartoon Network that try to emulate the anime style, but it's so obvious that they're western no matter how hard they try. I can't seem to figure out how, though. Is it the frame rate, the mouth movements, the color scheme, or something else? |
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| I will use "Totally Spies" for comparison. First of all, it's the setting. Most of anime are set in Japan (or at least not America). Even when they use similar art and expressions, the characters always have different feeling to them. The way they talk, the way they act is very different. In short - that's cultural differences. |
| Cultural differences and fanservice/ecchi. You'll barely see any ecchi in Western shows |
| I don't think it's that simple. There seems to be a more aesthetic difference to me. For example, I could look at two pictures of shows I'd never seen/heard of and I could pick out the western one almost immediately, no matter how well the anime style was copied. |
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Filmmoth said: I don't think it's that simple. There seems to be a more aesthetic difference to me. For example, I could look at two pictures of shows I'd never seen/heard of and I could pick out the western one almost immediately, no matter how well the anime style was copied. Yep, this is the same for me. I feel like mock anime still have too much of a "cartoony" look to them that sets them apart from anime. |
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Filmmoth said: I don't think it's that simple. There seems to be a more aesthetic difference to me. For example, I could look at two pictures of shows I'd never seen/heard of and I could pick out the western one almost immediately, no matter how well the anime style was copied. Then apparently they aren't trying hard enough to mock anime's style. Why don't you... just stick to animu then? |
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| Then apparently they aren't trying hard enough to mock anime's style. Why don't you... just stick to animu then? I do, I'm just curious. I don't watch these shows, but I can't help but notice them. It's sort of the same thing with CGI and real life. CGI can get incredibly realistic, but there's just something about it that makes it easy to tell if from the real thing, and I just can't put my finger on it. |
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| Its the animation process and frames per second i think PerlaNemesis said: I will use "Totally Spies" for comparison. First of all, it's the setting. Most of anime are set in Japan (or at least not America). Even when they use similar art and expressions, the characters always have different feeling to them. The way they talk, the way they act is very different. In short - that's cultural differences. Isnt totally spies a french animation? Thats how the french make their stuff i heard its ismilar to anime but they arent copying it. |
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| In short, it's the artists' sensibilities that they've developed over lots of work in their environment. Also their brains. Some people won't develop a certain way even if you put them in a similar environment just because their brains make inferior decisions compared to others in terms of artistic development. |
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| Probably the western "anime" have a much lower budget so their animation is much more limited compared to the anime we know. The art style still has some influences from the classic american comics. |
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SergioSource said: The colour palette in my opinion, the colours seem to be very bright in those cartoons. Also in most anime characters don't move when talking, yet in cartoons they gesticulate in all sorts of ways. You're right, they do like to make them move a lot when they talk. |
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sleeplesstown said: Western cartoons usually have better animation, but less detail. After decades, Japanese animators have picked up tons of animation tricks to make something look detailed and decently animated on a shoestring budget. In your average anime series, there's actually very little animation. Plus if you're surrounded by Western design sensibilities all your life, I imagine it's pretty hard to properly emulate a style that's inherently foreign. Most Korean manhwa doesn't quite look like its Japanese counterparts either even though its remarkably similar by design. It's the little differences that stand out. I imagine it mostly comes down to the animation techniques used. I was actually looking for such an explanation, the rest aren't that great :D. I wondered too, but didn't want to make a thread. But truly are there any anime that the animation surpasses anything Western or the "Best" animation out of anime? |
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SergioSource said: The colour palette in my opinion, the colours seem to be very bright in those cartoons. Also in most anime characters don't move when talking, yet in cartoons they gesticulate in all sorts of ways. sleeplesstown said: Western cartoons usually have better animation, but less detail. After decades, Japanese animators have picked up tons of animation tricks to make something look detailed and decently animated on a shoestring budget. In your average anime series, there's actually very little animation. Plus if you're surrounded by Western design sensibilities all your life, I imagine it's pretty hard to properly emulate a style that's inherently foreign. Most Korean manhwa doesn't quite look like its Japanese counterparts either even though its remarkably similar by design. It's the little differences that stand out. I imagine it mostly comes down to the animation techniques used. This is true. Check out My Life Me for a truly terrifying attempt to mock anime. |
Immahnoob said: Well I always mention this but Sword of the Stranger has probably one of the best animated swordfighting sequences, period.I wondered too, but didn't want to make a thread. But truly are there any anime that the animation surpasses anything Western or the "Best" animation out of anime? |
| It depends. To be honest, Samurai Jack was pretty awesome at the time, and so was the 2k3 TMNT cartoon, the subtle anime elements they borrowed did not bother me at all. Can't speak for more recent cartoons, though. feder said: Filmmoth said: I don't think it's that simple. There seems to be a more aesthetic difference to me. For example, I could look at two pictures of shows I'd never seen/heard of and I could pick out the western one almost immediately, no matter how well the anime style was copied. Yep, this is the same for me. I feel like mock anime still have too much of a "cartoony" look to them that sets them apart from anime. x3 |
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| He's talking about the look, not the animation. Don't get them confused and start arguing the drawings (in say, still frames) look different because they're animated differently. I also find it amusing that people argue Western animation is "animated better." People who say this are probably not into animation and are impressed by certain things and are unable to appreciate other skills that are more difficult to obtain, but take for granted. Of course, I'm talking about the best stuff and not just some random low-quality anime. |
| Why don't we ever hear you guys complaining when anime shows copy Western style animation? I'm seeing some real fanboy-ery here already. Also why do you people insist on throwing out such bad examples to prove their point? Snowing said: Repulsing in many ways. -.- Here's a perfect example of what I was just talking about. There are plenty of shows with much higher quality, why do you have to choose the worst? Now to the OP's question. I honestly think Western animation studios cherry pick things that they like. Some character designs in Japanese animation are considered aesthetically appealing on TV so they mix it into their own shows. |
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jrgcool35 said: Why don't we ever hear you guys complaining when anime shows copy Western style animation? I'm seeing some real fanboy-ery here already. Because they rarely do? Only one I can think of is PSG; even that had its own distinct style. Whereas lately there seems to be more and more western TV animation that is taking Japanese design elements. |
Fui said: jrgcool35 said: Why don't we ever hear you guys complaining when anime shows copy Western style animation? I'm seeing some real fanboy-ery here already. Because they rarely do? Whereas lately there seems to be more and more western TV animation that is taking Japanese design elements. I already explained to you why they use those design elements. Most shows execute them quite well too, so I don't see a reason why you should be complaining about it. |
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jrgcool35 said: Fui said: jrgcool35 said: Why don't we ever hear you guys complaining when anime shows copy Western style animation? I'm seeing some real fanboy-ery here already. Because they rarely do? Whereas lately there seems to be more and more western TV animation that is taking Japanese design elements. I already explained to you why they use those design elements. Most shows execute them quite well too, so I don't see a reason why you should be complaining about it. I'm not complaining about anything. Doing it "well" is subjective, but regardless the point wasn't really about the execution but rather the fact that they're just different. Which just comes down to the artist's sensibilities due to their experience/work. The only thing I may have "complained" about was people claiming one animation being clearly "superior" over the other. |
| What animation are we talking about? Obviously Disney movies are better animated than most anime, but not many of the cartoons on TV, which typically use flash and/or outsource to Korean animation studios. |
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| I think a lot of you seem ignorant to not tell the difference between being affected by a style and influenced and just a straight up knock off. The only real knock off i can think of is that Speed Racer X or whatever its called and that new Transformers series. That was just a pathetic and poorly done. Teen Titans took more than they should have, would have been better if they didnt take as much but I wouldnt go as far as saying its a knock off more so lacking in artistic originality. Avatar even though it visually looks pretty similar to anime I can tell the difference from a few minor things and animation style but I think it was a legitimate attempt at a series. If you have ever seen old 80s toons you would know it was more an attempt at making a show as far as story and whatnot but they stuck with an anime like style because it takes a ton of work to do the old hand drawn style of adventure shows from the 80s did so anime like style works a lot better with the computer aided methods used today. Megas XLR and Samurai Jack werent so much copies of anime they were more almost more a nod to it. Dont even bother using examples of anything made in france, thats just how their shows look. I seriously dont think they are copying the japanese except in some minor things. The japense sometimes take influence from them ive heard so you cant really assume whos copying who. |
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Narmy said: What animation are we talking about? Obviously Disney movies are better animated than most anime, but not many of the cartoons on TV, which typically use flash and/or outsource to Korean animation studios. oh I definitely wasn't referring to any modern cartoons all that flash tweening BS makes me want to die some diamonds in the rough though |
traed said: Dont even bother using examples of anything made in france, thats just how their shows look. I seriously dont think they are copying the japanese except in some minor things. The japense sometimes take influence from them ive heard so you cant really assume whos copying who. France pretty much has a huge hard-on for anime. |
Fui said: jrgcool35 said: Fui said: jrgcool35 said: Why don't we ever hear you guys complaining when anime shows copy Western style animation? I'm seeing some real fanboy-ery here already. Because they rarely do? Whereas lately there seems to be more and more western TV animation that is taking Japanese design elements. I already explained to you why they use those design elements. Most shows execute them quite well too, so I don't see a reason why you should be complaining about it. I'm not complaining about anything. Doing it "well" is subjective, but regardless the point wasn't really about the execution but rather the fact that they're just different. Which just comes down to the artist's sensibilities due to their experience/work. The only thing I may have "complained" about was people claiming one animation being clearly "superior" over the other. Sorry for taking such an aggressive stance, I was getting annoyed at the blind fanboy-ism in the thread and I accidentally took it out on you. Also I think the word "copy" (I used it) is a pretty bad word when talking about animation style as due to globalization a lot of studios share drawing techniques. sleeplesstown said: France pretty much has a huge hard-on for anime. They give it their own flair though which makes it different. Plus the French probably have much different stories in their animation than anime usually has. Just wondering, what is that picture from? |
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sleeplesstown said: Fui said: I also find it amusing that people argue Western animation is "animated better." It traditionally puts a focus on animation flow, which is how I meant it. Anime has traditionally made much more use of limited animation (google it) than its Western counterparts. It usually doesn't flow and the characters' body movements aren't particularly expressive. Naturally, exceptions exist, but you most commonly see them in higher budget properties instead of TV anime. Not to say that either anime or western animation is inherently better than the other, since that's not the case, I was merely trying to explain why they look very different. Western animation and Japanese animation may have close origins, but they've developed wildly different values and design principles over the years. The reason I said the animation is better is because I usually associate flow with good animation. Usually. Disney expressions are really exaggerated (nobody really acts like how they're animated), but it really gets the point across and people like the movement/gestures. Check out Satoshi Kon films (Paprika, Milennium Actress, etc) or something like the Ghost in the Shell movie. It's basically like watching film. More realistic and the models are much more complex. And the budgets are a tiny fraction of Disney films...but that's another discussion. To me, frame count doesn't make good animation IMO. I like seeing more interesting action/camera with fewer frames. But hey, whatever's your cup of tea. As for limited animation...sigh when will people stop using that buzzword. You can't compare misc TV anime with hundred-million dollar blockbuster feature films. |
jrgcool35 said: Just wondering, what is that picture from? Google Reverse Image Search. |
sleeplesstown said: Ahh i see LOL I never saw much french shows so i was just speaking from what i knew.traed said: Dont even bother using examples of anything made in france, thats just how their shows look. I seriously dont think they are copying the japanese except in some minor things. The japense sometimes take influence from them ive heard so you cant really assume whos copying who. France pretty much has a huge hard-on for anime. |
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traed said: sleeplesstown said: Ahh i see LOL I never saw much french shows so i was just speaking from what i knew.traed said: Dont even bother using examples of anything made in france, thats just how their shows look. I seriously dont think they are copying the japanese except in some minor things. The japense sometimes take influence from them ive heard so you cant really assume whos copying who. France pretty much has a huge hard-on for anime. To be honest that isn't really an original French show. It's based off of a game made by Square Enix. mezzoguitar said: jrgcool35 said: Just wondering, what is that picture from? Google Reverse Image Search. Oh and btw. I tried that before asking, I tried tineye too but neither found anything. |
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jrgcool35 said: To be honest that isn't really an original French show. It's based off of a game made by Square Enix. It's made by Ankama, which is a French company. Square Enix didn't come into the picture until recently, they're the publishers. Similar to how Square Enix obviously didn't make Deus Ex: HR, even though it has their name on it. |
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| In America Cartoons Are for Kids... American Anime Is Scatter-Brained, Episodic, And Immature Humor Or Cheesy Action =/ ... There Are Without A Doubt Shows Like This In Japan Too Though, But In Japan It's More Acceptable To Watch Cartoons "Or, Excuse Me, *Anime*" When Your An Adult So Therefor Cartoons *Anime* Are Also Made For Adults "In Short, Anime In America Is Just American Cartoons DRAWN Like Japanese Cartoons" *Just My Speculation On The Whole Thing, I Don't Actually Have Any Science Behind That* |
maladox said: In America Cartoons Are for Kids... American Anime Is Scatter-Brained, Episodic, And Immature Humor Or Cheesy Action =/ ... There Are Without A Doubt Shows Like This In Japan Too Though, But In Japan It's More Acceptable To Watch Cartoons "Or, Excuse Me, *Anime*" When Your An Adult So Therefor Cartoons *Anime* Are Also Made For Adults "In Short, Anime In America Is Just American Cartoons DRAWN Like Japanese Cartoons" *Just My Speculation On The Whole Thing, I Don't Actually Have Any Science Behind That* You should stop starting every word in every phrase with an uppercase. It's annoying. |
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maladox said: In America Cartoons Are for Kids... American Anime Is Scatter-Brained, Episodic, And Immature Humor Or Cheesy Action =/ ... There Are Without A Doubt Shows Like This In Japan Too Though, But In Japan It's More Acceptable To Watch Cartoons "Or, Excuse Me, *Anime*" When Your An Adult So Therefor Cartoons *Anime* Are Also Made For Adults "In Short, Anime In America Is Just American Cartoons DRAWN Like Japanese Cartoons" *Just My Speculation On The Whole Thing, I Don't Actually Have Any Science Behind That* no its not. i have a friend in japan and he wouldn't be caught dead watching some anime now. to put age into perspective. the only acceptable show for him in high school would have been dragonball z. classic anime shows such as crayon shin chan, doreamon.... are acceptable and parents want kids to watch it due to the values placed on the show, but that's a different topic. as far as telling what's from where. i think it's the color pallette. most japanese shows seem to be more pastel than western shows. like how sponge bob is all bright colors and what not. i know its not an exact comparison. also western characters seem to be more spastic with movements all the time. |
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| ^ ^ even if thats the case arent adults still fairly big on manga because it gives them something to read on the subway ride to work? |
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nerb said: The reason you think they look different is because Japanese animators can get by with a lot of shit that western animators have to deal with. A Donald Duck cartoon from the 1940's has more details, such as blinking and background movement, than your average anime. It's not really a big difference, but you might just feel a bit "off" when comparing them. I guess it's because an anime tries to be more like a high-end motion comic, while western animation aims to try and create a cartoonified version of a real life setting. They're both perfectly fine ways to animate, and to be honest, I'm not a real artsy guy so it doesn't bother me, but maybe that's what's been bugging you. Yes they can get away with drawing Hyouka characters instead of Donald Duck on model! Much easier to animate. And the environments are much less like a real-life setting the ones in Donald Duck cartoons. |
traed said: ^ ^ even if thats the case arent adults still fairly big on manga because it gives them something to read on the subway ride to work? manga, yes, but anime, from what i've been told, by far and large is more or less for the "otaku" culture. like with any nation some animated shows do become big, but most just fly under the radar to the general mass |
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| it's because the western ones suck, in every way, animation quality included also, they are all aimed at kids nerb said: The reason you think they look different is because Japanese animators can get by with a lot of shit that western animators have to deal with. A Donald Duck cartoon from the 1940's has more details, such as blinking and background movement, than your average anime. It's not really a big difference, but you might just feel a bit "off" when comparing them. I guess it's because an anime tries to be more like a high-end motion comic, while western animation aims to try and create a cartoonified version of a real life setting. They're both perfectly fine ways to animate, and to be honest, I'm not a real artsy guy so it doesn't bother me, but maybe that's what's been bugging you. but that's bs, you suck and fail if you actually believe what you just wrote |
nathanrApr 30, 2012 10:55 PM
nathanr said: They were just talking about frame rate. In anime the backgroound for instance leaves flowing on a tree is just the same 3 frames on repeat usually but in western animation they dont go into as much detail but they have more frames instead of doing repeats. In anime just the mouth moves in many cases not the entire jaw but american the jaw moves too of course thats not always they case they both have used both methods. Japan uses animation shortcuts so the visuals can look better because they saved time.but that's bs, you suck and fail if you actually believe what you just wrote |
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| Have you people ever watched a Donald Duck cartoon? The frame rate might be up there and they might blink but there are tons of stock footage and reused cels in order to given the illusion of movement. |
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