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Dec 11, 2011 10:33 AM
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I see this sort of comment all the time, where someone's criticized for making an opinion of a series based on only one or two episodes.

I think seven episodes is suitable for getting an opinion on a series. By that time all the main characters are introduced, and the plot starts to show itself. A good example of this is Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha. The few episodes are said to be really boring, but by episode seven it turns into all out beam spam warfare.

With a slice of life show, maybe three episodes instead. In the case of K-on I gave it eight episodes since I was hoping to find something endearing about it, maybe the characters would develop a little.

So I ask, what's your ideal number of episodes before you can form an opinion on a series?
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Dec 11, 2011 10:38 AM
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half the show at the very least depending on how long the show is, its excusable to not make it to the halfway mark if its like 100 episodes and to an extent a 50 episode series

50% mark the show has no excuse to not be good at that point, an to count the number of hows that go from meh to absolutely incredibly by the second half ide of counted 60% of my list,

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Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

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Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

Dec 11, 2011 10:41 AM
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Well, even if you watch 80% of it, you're still missing the ending, so your opinion of the show will never be truly complete.
Dec 11, 2011 10:45 AM
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Depends what type of show really.

If it's a complete story, all of it. If it's an ongoing shounen you can probably tell what it'll be like after a few arcs.
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Dec 11, 2011 10:45 AM
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Depends entirely on how many episodes the anime has and even then it can still be hard to judge it fairly without watching the whole thing
Dec 11, 2011 10:48 AM
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With shows like Death Note, I can grasp the concept in 3-5 episodes.

FMA:Brotherhood would be about 10.

However, shows like One Piece that are 500+ ongoing, you would need a minimum of 30 episodes to grasp the feeling. Even then you wouldn't get the most out of it.
Dec 11, 2011 10:49 AM
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I only rate series after finishing them.

I do not approve rating a series after dropping it after the first episode.
Dec 11, 2011 10:50 AM
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Some shows only need one.
Dec 11, 2011 10:52 AM
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I only rate series after finishing them.

I do not approve rating a series after dropping it after the first episode.
same, even though i have rating sin my dropped list i always end up picking them up again regardless of how bad, i know i should put them on hold but its not like i plan it, i just eventually get the urge to finish it, like right now im bordering on pickign up kobato and lovley complex again

Immahnoob said:
Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

tokiyashiro said:

Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

Dec 11, 2011 10:52 AM

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Who cares? If you're not enjoying it. Drop it.

I think it's silly to try to watch something if it doesn't consistently enthrall or entertain you.


Dec 11, 2011 10:55 AM

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Barthandelus said:
Who cares? If you're not enjoying it. Drop it.

I think it's silly to try to watch something if it doesn't consistently enthrall or entertain you.

This.

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Dec 11, 2011 11:02 AM
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Barthandelus said:
Who cares? If you're not enjoying it. Drop it.

I think it's silly to try to watch something if it doesn't consistently enthrall or entertain you.


I can agree, but at the same time disagree. Like I said before it takes a while for the plot to build up, and many times I've felt like if I had dropped something a few episodes earlier I would have missed out on something truly enjoyable.
Dec 11, 2011 11:30 AM

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RLinksoul said:


I can agree, but at the same time disagree. Like I said before it takes a while for the plot to build up, and many times I've felt like if I had dropped something a few episodes earlier I would have missed out on something truly enjoyable.


Yes. There are exceptions. But even then, a lot of people have been developing bad habits of watching shit they don't even like anymore, or never did for that matter. I just find that completely pointless, even when I used to be guilty of the same thing.


Dec 11, 2011 11:36 AM

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All of it ... how is this even a question :-)
Dec 11, 2011 11:49 AM

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Obviously, it's better to talk about percentage than number of episodes. So, I dunno, thirty percent at the very least. So about 7 episodes for a 26 ep series, while a bigger one like LoGH it should be at least thirty.

Of course, it might be different with even longer series. I Do expect you'd get the gist of most stuff that's over a hundred episodes well before the 30% mark.
Dec 11, 2011 12:15 PM

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On second thought, if you really want to judge an anime and share your opinion, then you must finish it. You can't give opinion of incomplete anime.
Those professional movie review writers out there don't publish review only after watching 30 minutes of the movie, do they?

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Dec 11, 2011 12:59 PM

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It's best to score them when you've completed them... that way you judge it overall, because your opinion of a series can change pretty easily. You can defo judge it fairly if you wait until the end.

But then again you do get them odd series in which you practically "fall in love" with from the get go and you can't help but score them right off the bat.. I think that's pretty much acceptable as well.. you can always change the score later can't you?
Dec 11, 2011 1:12 PM

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Innoxious said:
On second thought, if you really want to judge an anime and share your opinion, then you must finish it. You can't give opinion of incomplete anime.
Those professional movie review writers out there don't publish review only after watching 30 minutes of the movie, do they?

I like to review the review itself because reviewers aren't always as professional as they want to believe they are. Being overworked and tired of life/having pms isn't an excuse.
VG reviewers are random as heck too.

Dec 11, 2011 1:22 PM

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Innoxious said:
On second thought, if you really want to judge an anime and share your opinion, then you must finish it. You can't give opinion of incomplete anime.
Those professional movie review writers out there don't publish review only after watching 30 minutes of the movie, do they?

I like to review the review itself because reviewers aren't always as professional as they want to believe they are. Being overworked and tired of life/having pms isn't an excuse.
VG reviewers are random as heck too.


I know, I'm just using them as example =)
Since you are sharing an opinion which the others will be using as preference, then at least you should have watched the movie completely.

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Dec 11, 2011 1:24 PM

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I'm thinking in the ball park of around 1-5 episodes. Though if it's boring enough in the first episode there shouldn't be a reason why you should be in pain while watching it.

Dec 11, 2011 1:27 PM

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1. shitty characters, and unimpressive setting, is enough for me.
Dec 11, 2011 1:32 PM

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It depends of the length of the anime.

If it has about 12 episodes, the about 4-5 is enough.
If it has about 24 episodes, then about 12-13.
If it has about 50 episodes, then about 20 (even though I dropped Eureka Seven at episode 12, that's why maybe I'm going to reconsider).
If it has about 100, then at least about 30.
If it has more then 100 episodes, then at least about 50 episodes.
Dec 11, 2011 1:32 PM

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Yeah, I agree. I usually watch the entire series or thereabouts to be able to make a judgement for it. Watching only a few episodes is not enough and if you reviewed that you didn't like the series, it's probably because you're just warming up to something and you're not quite for sure, because if you finish the series, what'd do you know? You might still LIKE IT!

Yeah, it just depends on how many episodes the anime holds.
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Dec 11, 2011 1:44 PM

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RLinksoul said:
I think seven episodes is suitable for getting an opinion on a series. By that time all the main characters are introduced, and the plot starts to show itself.


The first 7 episodes isn't a fair any anime longer than 13 episodes.
You are welcome to form a personal opinion on whether you like an anime or not at any episode count. The people that get criticized for their opinion are often the ones that act as if their 7 episodes make them as informed, if not more, than a person who has seen all of it.

Dec 11, 2011 1:46 PM

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If you don't like the show DROP IT! But seeing people rate series a 1 after one episode is utterly ridiculous.
Dec 11, 2011 1:52 PM

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Lemme see. About 20 episodes.
When I see anime which is like 50+ eps I am like "...the fuck"xD
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Dec 11, 2011 2:12 PM

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It depends on the number of episodes. I think watching half the number is appropriate enough to judge though you can't judge something until you've completed it.
Dec 11, 2011 3:31 PM
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After completion, since sometimes the latter half of the show might be the best part and the beggining sucks
Dec 11, 2011 3:33 PM

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In my opinion, you cannot judge any anime accurately until it is done. The ending could make the difference between a 8 or a 9 or even a 4 or 5=P.

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Dec 11, 2011 5:38 PM

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I kind of use 25% as a rule of thumb. Around 4 if it's 12 eps, 6 if it's 24, etc. However if it's super long I may not go the whole 25%.
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Dec 11, 2011 5:43 PM
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since im not in the habit of dropping anime i say the best amout to judge an anime is 33-45%
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Dec 11, 2011 5:48 PM

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I don't rate until i have finished watching. (One Piece being an exception)
But i do think of what score i will give while watching.
Dec 11, 2011 6:37 PM

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If you don't like the show DROP IT! But seeing people rate series a 1 after one episode is utterly ridiculous.

It does seem quite converse, but I actually disagree with you here (in spite of my general opinion that those who have watched more of an anime are better judges). The definition of 1 is 'unwatchable'; it seems far more fitting that a 1 rank be used, therefore, where one literally could not finish the crap before their eyes.

I don't understand those people who watch (sometimes long) series in their entirety, then proceed to give them 1 or 2. They either want to project themselves are a discerning viewer of anime by keeping their average lower, or must be masochistic to keep on watching (in their eyes) such crap.
Dec 11, 2011 7:14 PM

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I just rate as I go along, changing my rating everytime something amazing or amazingly stupid happens.
Dec 11, 2011 7:20 PM

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I usually don't rate a series until I finish unless I'm really enjoying it then I give it a score early.

I usually try and make it halfway through the series to decide to drop it or keep it unless it was so terribad I couldn't even do that.
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Dec 11, 2011 8:04 PM
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All of the episodes.
Dec 11, 2011 8:21 PM

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All of them. You should never stop watching an anime just because of the beginning. If you want to criticize an anime, watch the whole thing, get your facts straight, and then criticize all you want.
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All of them. You should never stop watching an anime just because of the beginning. If you want to criticize an anime, watch the whole thing, get your facts straight, and then criticize all you want.
I seldom critique titles I've dropped other than to say it wasn't to my taste. None the less, I have no difficulty moving on when a show, after what I consider a fair taste, fails to satisfy. So many shows, so little time, etc. All that said, your way is right for you. My way is right for me.
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Usually, I give a show two episodes. If it's really bad I'll drop it after those two.
If the anime seems like it could get better over time I'll give it five episodes max to really judge it.
Dec 12, 2011 10:21 AM
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IMO it really depends on the length of the anime. But to actually judge it semi fairly i would say about half to 2/3 of the way through. in all honsety tho, and this is for myself, i never judge anything until i have fully completed it. Sometimes the last episode can throw you for a loop
Dec 12, 2011 10:24 AM

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I usually watch 2 to 5 episodes before dropping an anime, I won't watch more that 5 episodes if I'm not liking it...
Dec 12, 2011 10:38 AM

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3, but if it's just a horrible show 5 minutes
Dec 12, 2011 10:41 AM
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I think you should watch at least 45% of the show before judging, but there are exceptions.
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I'd say:
2 eps. if it's a 12 -13 ep. anime
6 eps. if it's 22-26 ep. anime
20 eps. if it's a long running anime.

I score it when i've either completed 2/3 of it or when i've finished it. Though sometimes if a find that the anime is full of f-ing gits, in which case, I score it right away.


Dec 12, 2011 10:58 AM

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It depends on how long the anime in question is. I prefer to go by percentages.
To decide whether or not anime is worth my time, I'll watch about 20% of it (2-3 episodes for an anime with 12-13 episodes; 10 episodes for a 50 episode anime and so on).
However, I don't actually give an anime a score until I've either completed or dropped it. The ending plays a big role in my scoring.

EDIT: I've yet to start watching any of the shows which seem to go on forever. In those cases, I suppose I'd settle for about 20 episodes before I decided whether or not I'd like to continue watching them.
Dec 12, 2011 11:22 AM

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I start scoring from the first episode. Obviously the score is different by the fifth episode which is when I feel I have a good grasp of the anime's style and story (not counting the really short series), and decide if I should continue, suspend or drop it.
Dec 12, 2011 11:53 AM

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Depending on how long the show is. For a long show 200+ episodes, I will try to wait and judge it anywhere from 20 to 40 episodes.

For a short show, 12 - 13 episodes, I will actually probably judge it after the first 2 episodes...that's my bad habit.

24 episode shows...hmmm, generally 5 - 7 episodes. If it's not picking up the pace by then...well, it's already about 1/3 done, so they better have some great things planned.

But I try my best not to judge shows too much before they finish, because even shows that start out terrible can end up amazing! Which is why I have a "no dropping shows" rule of mine XD
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Well, even if you watch 80% of it, you're still missing the ending, so your opinion of the show will never be truly complete.

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to fairly judge: watching everything is needed
Dec 12, 2011 12:26 PM

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Well for me I have it broke down to two different phases, first is the sampling phase, during the first 2 episodes I determine If I want to watch the show or not. If the answer is "no" then it does not get a grade and isn't added to my list. It does not mean I will never watch it, just means I won't watch it now because of whatever reason. Sometimes I will sample more if it is longer than most.

2nd phase is watching it all the way through, only on very rare occasions will I drop it, most of the drops I have were before I made this rule. Then after watching it all I judge it giving it a grade.
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Barthandelus said:
Who cares? If you're not enjoying it. Drop it.

I think it's silly to try to watch something if it doesn't consistently enthrall or entertain you.

Agreed
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