Fate/stay night Episode 24 Discussion

Jean_Claymore said:
Er... Sorry this might have been asked many times, but can someone tell me where I can get all sources to understand the Fate series atm? (I mean Fate/Zero, Fate Stay Night and even sequels if it has... it doesn't matter if it's game or novel) Just finished watching the anime but it seems the plot wise didn't satisfy nor did it provide complete background stories. It's kinda pain in the ass since Type-Moon always leave us questions what really happened behind the scenes. So, any suggestions? Trust me... I possibly wouldn't have known if my bro hadn't told me Archer was Emiya Shiro or Rin and Sakura where sisters.

Leon-Gun said:
All the background info comes from Fate/Stay Night, Fate/Zero and side material released by Type-Moon with questions and trivia of the series. Fate/Stay Night has three completely different (and I do mean completely different) routes of the War of the Holy Grail:
A) Fate route: adapted in Fate/Stay Night anime. Focuses on Saber's backstory, romance and some details on Heroic Spirits.
B) Unlimited Blade Works: adapted in UBW movie and F/SN manga. Focuses on the backstory of Archer and the limitations of a hero. Also reveals the truth about Guardian Spirits.
C) Heavens Feel: Not adapted yet. Focuses on the three Families of magi that created the Holy Grail (Tohsaka, Matou and Einzbern) and reveals the real truth behind the Holy Grail and the war. Several new characters show up, and it's very dark in contrast with the other two routes.

So as you can see, the adaptations only scratch the surface in regards of information. If I'm to compare the routes, Saber route would be your classic romantic shounen, UBW would be your regular action shounen show and Heavens Feel is your dark action thriller.

Just as a little side note, Fate/Stay Night also has an extra epilogue in it's PS2 remake and it has a sequel called Fate/Hollow Ataraxia although the sequel is hardly important in the overall scheme of things, aside from revealing a few details about Avenger.

CanAPanda said:
Biggest plot hole - out of the entire planet all seven masters were all located in 1 place (Japan)? Very hard to believe.

NeloDeath said:
What the fuck was that shit and why is this series regarded so highly!?!?
I mean sure it had a few above average sections but nothing special in the slightest. Someone mentioned previously that the pacing was choppy, and there were so many shounen ass-pull battles/cliches that really brought this series down imo. Some of the ideas were neat, but so muddled in all the filth. 6/10 (7/10 if I'm feeling generous)

Sebastian333 said:
The ending always makes me think there s a sequel for this series .
The anime is really great , though the ending totally ruined it a bit. hmm..
Well whatever the story satisfies me much anyway , i hope there will be a sixth holy grail war where there will be increase in the amount of servants number ;D

Ragna92 said:


There is a sequel to Fate stay night called Fate hollow atarxia, but nothing like a 6th holy grail war.

PerlaNemesis said:
Overall, it was meh. :/ Love between Shirou and Saber felt kinda forced as there were only few romantic scenes between the two of them. Battles were okay but didn't get me excited. Shirou more or less was acting like a complete idiot most of the time. I liked those bits with Rin trying to save Sakura and Archer's death was really powerful. 6/10, though.

Ragna92 said:
Well they totally screwed up the Rin and Sakura thing.

Seabury said:
This was a good solid 7/10 for me.

mdz said:
Imo F/SN is best regarded as the introduction to the mechanics of the world that Fate series take place in. It really does include crucial information on how things work, and it does catalyze a greater enjoyment for watching Fate/zero. Although this adaptation was pretty bad, UBW was actually much more enjoyable.

Hoping for a remake on this, following UBW's path instead of the Saber's pointless and questionable path.

insan3soldiern said:
I think overall, I disliked this even more after having read the VN. There is no earthly way I could ever give this series a rating higher than a 6, it just completely loses the spirit and message of the Fate route and throws stuff from the other routes in there in a very half assed way.

I noticed a few people say that the anime works as entertainment. But, that is exactly the problem, the VN has quite a bit of depth when it comes to character motivations, the story, and even the action scenes and pretty much none of this translated into this anime.

If I had to describe this series in one word it would be: Hollow.



Okay. I can understand you maybe not liking this route but "pointless and questionable"? How so? Did we even read the same route?

mdz said:


Read? Probably not, but what I've watched was just irritating. I don't mind how they readapt it, as long as they do it correctly. I've heard that the VN was great, I don't have any personal experience with it so it's just speculation, I called Saber's route pointless based off what I saw in the anime, which it was.

restivesilence said:
I gave it a 7, because I thought it was enjoyable overall. I could understand maybe rating it an 8, but I really don't think it deserves anything higher. Character development, plot holes, pacing, those are all very huge things that affect an anime. And I found problems with all of them.

I do have to say that the ending surprised me, I expected a highly cliche end. So kudos for not doing that.

AkkarinKHR said:
I loved the anime. I thought the idea and the character were amazing and really well done. The pace was a bit slow at the start but i think that allowed you to get a good feeling of the main characters as if it were a longer series. Also it had many turns in the story which i would never have seen, Archer's death, truth about Shirou's dad, the ending. Definitely one of my favourite animes!

GodlyKyon said:
Such a waste of time. The only good thing that came out of this is some of the characters(Saber and Archer and Rin) which are liked by me as a result, and it made me check out F/Z, I would've skipped this if I could go back in time.

Leon-Gun said:
]Well, there's is "kinda" an alternate Holy Grail War in Fate/Extra but it's A.I. so it's not the real one. Regardless of the route FSN takes the Holy Grail War is fated to end with the 5th (both by Kiritsugu's actions, and either magi from the Tower or Shirou's own power).

Thess said:


Eh, it IS real. Avenger trapped Fuyuki in a time loop while Bazett was comatose to fulfill her wish to live (and fight the War) while screwing people's memories and stuff.

It is a sequel to Fate/Stay Night, but it doesn't follow a single route (Shirou's not in a romantic relationship with Rin, Saber or Sakura, for instance. And there are elements of the three mixed, like Saber vs Gilgamesh and Rin vs Caster). It's a route where almost everyone survived the conflict (aside of Kotomine). Once you finish the game, you can see that Saber, Rider and Lancer are hanging around pretty ok in the Epilogue (the rest aren't mentioned, but the assumption is that they are around too).

The thing is that it's not really a 'sequel' in the focus of Shirou's character, because all that's to said about him was in FSN, but it explains Angra Mainyu/Avenger's side of the story, since he's the protagonist.

Leon-Gun said:
That's pretty much the epitome of an alternate route. Just a sequel from an undisclosed fourth end of FSN. Besides, I never really said it wasn't a sequel. I said Fate/Extra isn't a sequel nor it's War a real Holy Grail War (or part of the main canon for that matter). There wasn't even a Holy Grail War in Hollow Ataraxia to begin with, it's all staged by Avenger's powers. The Holy Grail War ended with the 5th, regardless of which Servant remains in the world.

Leon-Gun said:
Personally I don't really like the direction they took with Hollow Ataraxia (it seems too "fandisc-style" to make a sequel with everyone alive, all old conflicts neatly resolved and no bad consequences from the original game whatsoever) but they call it a sequel and it has enough content to be considered one.

Teldara said:
I came into this anime UNBIASED, unlike majority of the replies on this thread. I've haven't tried the VN or anything. Where most of you played/read the VN, which made you biased.

The writers for the anime picked a path which they wanted to do and expand. Thats the principle, its what they wanted to do. They have no obligations to do what path you want and how you want it to end. In all honesty, if you wanted a happy ending, why bother watching the anime or why not create your own anime? Remember, it's how they wanted to end and you have to respect that.

Yes, it was a little slow paced at time and few plot holes. But it is what it is and it does it pretty good.

Overall, the F/S N anime is enjoyable and good. The lush and fluid animations, the beautiful drawings and colors were rich. Sound was fantastic. The character development was good. Wasn't stellar nor bad. Just good.

The ending is perfectly fine. Not all endings are happy endings. In a way, it was a happy ending. So what they couldn't be together? As I said, it's the path the writers chose for the anime; not you.

A lot of you tend to forget, the VN can go several paths. The anime picked one path and developed on it.

Zubo said:
How many and which paths have Shirou and Saber end up together? I would like to play VN and i want to see that first ^^ post in spoiler ofc.

I liked the anime, 8/10

Ragna92 said:


How many? They only end up in 1 path of course.

There are 3 routes
Fate route the one which the anime adapted
Unlimited blade works route
Heavens feel route

I won't say anything more, just play the visual novel it's amazing.