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(CNN) -- Are users of other Web browsers smarter than the people who use Microsoft's Internet Explorer? A new survey doesn't quite say so. But it sure as heck suggests it. The survey by AptiQuant, a Vancouver-based Web consulting company, gave more than 100,000 participants an IQ test, while monitoring which browser they used to take the test. The result? Internet Explorer users scored lower than average, while Chrome, Firefox and Safari users were slightly above average. And users of the more obscure Camino and Opera browsers, as well as those using Explorer with Chrome Frame (a plug-in designed to let users view emerging HTML5 content), had what AptiQuaint called "exceptionally higher" IQ levels. Those numbers, it should be noted, probably aren't very scientific. http://www.cnn.com/2011/TECH/web/07/29/internet.explorer.dumb/index.html Non-scientific numbers? But, I'll still believe it. XD Thread and article merely posted for amusement.:3 Btw, I'm a Chrome user. I feel extra smart now. :D |
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| Well, anyone who knows anything about computers doesn't use IE. People who know about computers tend to be more intelligent than those who don't. So basically, this just confirms what we already knew. I use Firefox, just because I'm too lazy to check out any alternatives. |
| LOL....I didn't even know people still used Internet Explorer....honestly, that's like people using AOL or MSN.... Anyways, the survey is not surprising. |
| There's probably some big hidden variable that's causing this. My guess is that most of the IE6-8 holdouts are people who aren't very 'tech savvy' in the first place because they can't afford to replace their machines every 2-3 years and are unaware of other browsers, referring to IE as 'the internet'. These are the types of people who usually can't afford higher education, and sometimes can't even afford to graduate from high school(due to unplanned pregnancies, early entrance into the workforce, etc.). |
| Stop responding which browser you use and start discussing the actual thread. This topic isn't a what-browser-do-you-like post dump. Irrelevant posts removed. Funny how the article is different in my country, it states that IE6 users are less intelligent, not IE users in general. |
gave more than 100,000 participants an IQ test Those numbers, it should be noted, probably aren't very scientific. Those two reasons are enough for me to NOT believe the validity of the survey. Maybe the users have never been exposed to other browsers. |
Confucius said: gave more than 100,000 participants an IQ test Those numbers, it should be noted, probably aren't very scientific. Those two reasons are enough for me to NOT believe the validity of the survey. Maybe the users have never been exposed to other browsers. 100k is a pretty big pool, though. Of course it's unlikely that everything was controlled, but for a sample size it's not bad. |
| And how many people among those 100k have chosen their browser themselves? |
| They use IE at my work. It drives me nuts. After working there for just over a year I've only recently managed to convince the IT department to change the mini search box in the top right of the browser from Bing to Google. Fuck's sake. |
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| I mainly used Chrome in the past; I enjoyed it very tidy and minimalistic browser. Nothing really distracted you from the main page and the fact that it remembered the tabs you used was brilliant. However, it always suffered from Shock-wave player crashes; in the past, I used to stream anime (I know I know, I now know torrenting is better), so all my anime tabs would be ruined. In Uni with a 1gb download limit per day; this was very annoying. So, when FireFox 4 came out, I gave it a try. I never liked FF in the past; as the interface was very chunky and just looked terrible. But, this one had taken Chromes approach; there was nothing below the Web Address Bar. Also, the tabs on the top wouldn't get smaller and smaller, after a certain amount, they would scroll. Much easier to see the wed addresses, I thought. But, the main part that clinched the deal was the "Cloud" (I think it's called that). You could have many different clouds of tabs under the same FF. Prevented me getting a whole stream of tabs from clogging up the bottom and I could put porn/hentai tabs in there to hide them from others. IE was just the bare essentials, but it is also essential. If we, at some point in our lives, don't go on IE, we cannot truly appreciate just how bad it is and how good the others are in comparison. Also, when you first get a laptop/PC (not including Mac here), you need a web browser to download the one you want, right? It's a nice stepping stone to better things. |
| I've been using FireFox since I've got my first baby steps into the interwebs. I think that was like 4 years ago. I didn't like IE since I first saw it and I don't like Opera since it takes a hell load of time to load images. I've never tried any other browsers, mainly because I'm happy with FF as it is. My first download each time I format my PC is always FF, anyway xD Anyway, I don't really care about that survey. I don't think internet browsers really make a person(just like clothes) or change how they act or even show the IQ of the people using it. |
| IE is the default browser that comes with windows so it's not surprising that people who know little about computers use it. |
llxwarbirdxll said: There's probably some big hidden variable that's causing this. My guess is that most of the IE6-8 holdouts are people who aren't very 'tech savvy' in the first place because they can't afford to replace their machines every 2-3 years and are unaware of other browsers, referring to IE as 'the internet'. These are the types of people who usually can't afford higher education, and sometimes can't even afford to graduate from high school(due to unplanned pregnancies, early entrance into the workforce, etc.). I don't see how replacing your machine every 2-3 years has anything to do with the explorer. It's an explorer not a game. It doesn't exactly needs crazy power. HATCHA said: I've used FF for years and it's only lazyness stopping me from going over to Chrome, most people who i've spoke to about both browsers say chrome is far superior. More to the point, if anyone believes intelligence can be measured on what browser you use, thats just stupid in itself. Firefox is just fine and considering all the useful add-ons i don't see how Chrome could be better but anyway i refuse to give Google even more points. They already have enough information on everyone and ruler-ship over the Internet, they don't need to rule browser market too. I prefer supporting an open community like Firefox. Besides am kind of suspicious of possible information collecting from Chrome. |
JonyJC said: Actually, I've seen a lot of computers coming with Chrome pre-installed.IE is the default browser that comes with windows so it's not surprising that people who know little about computers use it. |
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gregory003 said: Monad said: llxwarbirdxll said: There's probably some big hidden variable that's causing this. My guess is that most of the IE6-8 holdouts are people who aren't very 'tech savvy' in the first place because they can't afford to replace their machines every 2-3 years and are unaware of other browsers, referring to IE as 'the internet'. These are the types of people who usually can't afford higher education, and sometimes can't even afford to graduate from high school(due to unplanned pregnancies, early entrance into the workforce, etc.). I don't see how replacing your machine every 2-3 years has anything to do with the explorer. It's an explorer not a game. It doesn't exactly needs crazy power. HATCHA said: I've used FF for years and it's only lazyness stopping me from going over to Chrome, most people who i've spoke to about both browsers say chrome is far superior. More to the point, if anyone believes intelligence can be measured on what browser you use, thats just stupid in itself. Firefox is just fine and considering all the useful add-ons i don't see how Chrome could be better but anyway i refuse to give Google even more points. They already have enough information on everyone and ruler-ship over the Internet, they don't need to rule browser market too. I prefer supporting an open community like Firefox. Besides am kind of suspicious of possible information collecting from Chrome. Chrome uses as much power as most of my games. Also IE sucks tbh. I use chrome but Opera seems useful. Wow! ether you play some very old 2D graphic games or Chrome has a shitty power consuming code. Leon-Gun said: JonyJC said: Actually, I've seen a lot of computers coming with Chrome pre-installed.IE is the default browser that comes with windows so it's not surprising that people who know little about computers use it. Google throwing around some of that money it seems. |
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Monad said: Firefox is just fine and considering all the useful add-ons i don't see how Chrome could be better but anyway i refuse to give Google even more points. They already have enough information on everyone and ruler-ship over the Internet, they don't need to rule browser market too. I prefer supporting an open community like Firefox. Besides am kind of suspicious of possible information collecting from Chrome. Google asks before it installs Chrome if you want to let it collect information, and the default selection for this is "no". I'm sick of people casting Google as some evil company out to collect all your information. And I realize the Google site itself collects your search queries, but this is completely anonymous. |
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Monad said: Forgot to mention that said peoples' non-'tech savvy'-ness makes them not care about changing anything on their computers, including the computers themselves.llxwarbirdxll said: There's probably some big hidden variable that's causing this. My guess is that most of the IE6-8 holdouts are people who aren't very 'tech savvy' in the first place because they can't afford to replace their machines every 2-3 years and are unaware of other browsers, referring to IE as 'the internet'. These are the types of people who usually can't afford higher education, and sometimes can't even afford to graduate from high school(due to unplanned pregnancies, early entrance into the workforce, etc.). I don't see how replacing your machine every 2-3 years has anything to do with the explorer. It's an explorer not a game. It doesn't exactly needs crazy power. |
| lol not a single person uses IE, out of 80-100 ppl, though i thought the numbers to be small i diddent expect zero. |
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kyrie_kyo said: Nope. It's still pretty popular. http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asplol not a single person uses IE, out of 80-100 ppl, though i thought the numbers to be small i diddent expect zero. |
Fui said: Confucius said: gave more than 100,000 participants an IQ test Those numbers, it should be noted, probably aren't very scientific. Those two reasons are enough for me to NOT believe the validity of the survey. Maybe the users have never been exposed to other browsers. 100k is a pretty big pool, though. Of course it's unlikely that everything was controlled, but for a sample size it's not bad. I hope you realize that sample size actually does not imply the tests they did were valid. What kind of tests did they do with their data? How did they collect this data? etc. AptiQuant offered free online IQ tests to over a 100,000 people and then plotted the average IQ scores based on the browser on which the test was taken. What kind of person wants to take a free online IQ test anyways? Also, does IQ really correlate to intelligence, or, can we really quantify intelligence? Probably not very well. (What AptiQuant called its complete results included a bar graph showing the scores, but didn't appear to have text giving the exact numbers.) :// |
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selective_yellow said: IQ = Intelligence Quotient. It is, by definition, the quantization of intelligence. It's by no means perfect (see: Multiple Intelligences), but it's what we commonly use, and it does its job well enough to accept it for silly, unserious purposes like this one.AptiQuant offered free online IQ tests to over a 100,000 people and then plotted the average IQ scores based on the browser on which the test was taken. What kind of person wants to take a free online IQ test anyways? Also, does IQ really correlate to intelligence, or, can we really quantify intelligence? Probably not very well. Also, I would want to take a free online intelligence test. >:( I actually have before, too. I don't put too much value on my scores, but they can entertain me on boring nights. |
AbstractCalamity said: selective_yellow said: IQ = Intelligence Quotient. It is, by definition, the quantization of intelligence. It's by no means perfect (see: Multiple Intelligences), but it's what we commonly use, and it does its job well enough to accept it for silly, unserious purposes like this one.AptiQuant offered free online IQ tests to over a 100,000 people and then plotted the average IQ scores based on the browser on which the test was taken. What kind of person wants to take a free online IQ test anyways? Also, does IQ really correlate to intelligence, or, can we really quantify intelligence? Probably not very well. Also, I would want to take a free online intelligence test. >:( I actually have before, too. I don't put too much value on my scores, but they can entertain me on boring nights. Cool story bro. Thanks for answering my rhetorical question for me!!!! I really had no idea what IQ meant. I feel so enriched now. Next time I write a shitty post on MAL I'll try to avoid lazily using rhetorical questions as it is clearly too confusing for people. |
| I use firefox and chrome at home, but IE and chrome at work since our work website doesn't load properly in firefox. My parents were hesitant to change over to a different browser, so I tricked them into thinking firefox was IE by changing the firefox icon to an IE one and telling them that IE updated its look with its newest update. It worked, and now they use firefox exclusively. |
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selective_yellow said: Are you mad that someone took time to answer or mad that he took you for a fool. Your retort isn't helping in either case.AbstractCalamity said: selective_yellow said: IQ = Intelligence Quotient. It is, by definition, the quantization of intelligence. It's by no means perfect (see: Multiple Intelligences), but it's what we commonly use, and it does its job well enough to accept it for silly, unserious purposes like this one.AptiQuant offered free online IQ tests to over a 100,000 people and then plotted the average IQ scores based on the browser on which the test was taken. What kind of person wants to take a free online IQ test anyways? Also, does IQ really correlate to intelligence, or, can we really quantify intelligence? Probably not very well. Also, I would want to take a free online intelligence test. >:( I actually have before, too. I don't put too much value on my scores, but they can entertain me on boring nights. Cool story bro. Thanks for answering my rhetorical question for me!!!! I really had no idea what IQ meant. I feel so enriched now. Next time I write a shitty post on MAL I'll try to avoid lazily using rhetorical questions as it is clearly too confusing for people. |
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Leon-Gun said: selective_yellow said: Are you mad that someone took time to answer or mad that he took you for a fool. Your retort isn't helping in either case.AbstractCalamity said: selective_yellow said: IQ = Intelligence Quotient. It is, by definition, the quantization of intelligence. It's by no means perfect (see: Multiple Intelligences), but it's what we commonly use, and it does its job well enough to accept it for silly, unserious purposes like this one.AptiQuant offered free online IQ tests to over a 100,000 people and then plotted the average IQ scores based on the browser on which the test was taken. What kind of person wants to take a free online IQ test anyways? Also, does IQ really correlate to intelligence, or, can we really quantify intelligence? Probably not very well. Also, I would want to take a free online intelligence test. >:( I actually have before, too. I don't put too much value on my scores, but they can entertain me on boring nights. Cool story bro. Thanks for answering my rhetorical question for me!!!! I really had no idea what IQ meant. I feel so enriched now. Next time I write a shitty post on MAL I'll try to avoid lazily using rhetorical questions as it is clearly too confusing for people. I am not mad; your response is also completely off topic. I thought it was pretty common knowledge that online IQ tests are often not reliable, and many ads that direct you to online IQ tests probably give you viruses... I'm not really sure what kind of person would take an online IQ test, but now I know, I suppose. I just do not believe this survey was undertaken in an unbiased way, and as I pointed out, they do not give you direct numbers in the report. That is extremely fishy, and it's easy to skew statistics to support whatever you want to find. Also, directing this back to the original validity of an online IQ test, not only is the fact that the test was done online was questionable, but also IQ is unlikely to be a comprehensive intelligence test. For example, I believe IQ test are timed tests done without distractions. There may be many people who tried to take the online test and received a phone call, or had their child pester them, etc. Maybe the data is influenced by the fact that perhaps IE users are more actively engaged in having a life beyond the computer. [Not a fact, just one possibility of many] People also lie, and it is possible the data is made up of mostly 15-20 year old males, or something odd like that. Without any confirmation of truth, and unreliable test taking conditions, I cannot see much support for the idea that "IE users are slightly less intelligent." |
selective_yellow said: *post*" I recently found out that in America, if you have an IQ of 70 or lower you cannot be given the death penalty because you are technically retarded. I wondered what they based this on and basically the only standardization tests for IQ is taken when you are a child in school. This is the only time an IQ test is said to be fair. In the eyes of the law children of that age don't feel the need to cheat or lie to gain a higher score than they are capable of getting. I know this doesn't really have much to do with what you're talking about. I just find it interesting that an IQ test taken when you are 7 will gauge the possibility of you being convicted of a death penalty crime when you are 18+, and also that the only recognized IQ tests are those done when you are of a certain age. |
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Wizzaard said: Can somebody please properly what is wrong with IE, I don't use it, but everywhere I go there is an immense hate for IE. And most of the people that hate it, seem to have switched over to another browser years ago and never looked back to IE. They have MASSIVE headline bars with too many tool bars and it has huge problems with pop up menus even with add-block. It installs itself onto the OS and it's really difficult to remove because it ''part'' of windows. There's other things, I forget because I only use Google these days, but when I used it i got so fed up of it which was why i changed. Tried a few others out, used FF mainly for years, then Maxthon, opera but those were buggy or had few features. Google is the best around IMO. So why use anything less than the best. |
invalidlink said: Wizzaard said: Can somebody please properly what is wrong with IE, I don't use it, but everywhere I go there is an immense hate for IE. And most of the people that hate it, seem to have switched over to another browser years ago and never looked back to IE. The only problem I already know is that the security is like swiss cheese (which is of course a gigantic problem), but hasn't that been solved in the past year or so? It's outdated, at least anything below IE9 and not crossplatform, so why bother? I think your last line was really silly. "Not cross platform, so why bother?". How is that even relevant? |
Wizzaard said: Can somebody please properly what is wrong with IE, I don't use it, but everywhere I go there is an immense hate for IE. And most of the people that hate it, seem to have switched over to another browser years ago and never looked back to IE. The only problem I already know is that the security is like swiss cheese (which is of course a gigantic problem), but hasn't that been solved in the past year or so? Well one of the most significant problems is that IE is intentionally designed so that it reads script wrong. It breaks the accepted standards for how websites should look like; it does this so that people will be forced to code after IE-compliant standards instead, so that their sites display correctly on only one browser (and given the dominance IE used to have, this meant it was a very viable idea). Which is dirty fucking business tactics and ruins the interwebs either way. Chavez said: I think your last line was really silly. "Not cross platform, so why bother?". How is that even relevant? ...Because not everyone runs Windows? |
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Kaiserpingvin said: Chavez said: I think your last line was really silly. "Not cross platform, so why bother?". How is that even relevant? ...Because not everyone runs Windows? Then it would be worth mentioning you shouldn't bother if you weren't running Windows. It would be like saying "A car won't float on water, so I'm not buying one", while "I live on a small island, so a boat would be more useful to be" makes a lot more sense. |
Mod edit: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=310861&show=0#msg11210839 - the next edit is yours to make. Honestly, the topic seems dual sided anyway. As it has a poll with "what browser do you use". Anyway, I have the message loud and clear now. My thoughts on this is, irrelevant. Honestly, most IQ studies like this show very little. And IQ is a heavily contested thing in terms of importance anyway, a great many "smart" and well studied, knowledgeable people have low IQs. I wouldn't put a whole lot of weight on this study. Personally, I do think that people who primarily use Internet Explorer are more likely to be people who are computer enthusiasts by any stretch of the word. For instance, I've been utterly unable to convert most of my family to using Firefox or any other browser than Internet Explorer. Because they don't care, they're casual computer users. On the other hand, I wouldn't apply that to all people who like to use Internet Explorer on any occasion. Because Internet Explorer does have unique benefits. Just to repeat my earlier example, you cannot play the Korean version of Tera Online without Internet Explorer, or some severe workaround to make Hangame accept browsers other than IE. The same with the Japanese Open Beta currently going on, in which many people are downloading Japanese Internet Explorer 8 in order to get it to work. In the favor of the study, it is possible that the way the mind of a person works who likes computers and learning about them may work in a way different from those that don't, in ways that lead to higher IQ scores. Not that IQ says much, to begin with, though. It's an interesting correlation, to say the least. Internet Explorer users are certainly not "dumb". |
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Alpha-kudasu said: To say nothing of the security holes.Wizzaard said: Can somebody please properly what is wrong with IE, I don't use it, but everywhere I go there is an immense hate for IE. And most of the people that hate it, seem to have switched over to another browser years ago and never looked back to IE. They have MASSIVE headline bars with too many tool bars and it has huge problems with pop up menus even with add-block. It installs itself onto the OS and it's really difficult to remove because it ''part'' of windows. There's other things, I forget because I only use Google these days, but when I used it i got so fed up of it which was why i changed. Tried a few others out, used FF mainly for years, then Maxthon, opera but those were buggy or had few features. Google is the best around IMO. So why use anything less than the best. |
Wizzaard said: So bluntly said, you could say that Microsoft uses the same strategy as Apple that forces you to use Itunes to let their products function? Yes, and iTunes is probably the worst programme on a mac possible. :( :( :( |
nerb said: Not sure what you're implying here. I don't think I bothered to understand "what the browser really is" either. And I use firefox. And I have a feeling average firefox users also don't or are engineering students either.Odds are, if you are using IE or Safari, you haven't bothered to understand what the "browser" really is any way. Now, go ask an Engineering student what browser they use, and it'll probably be Firefox, Chrome or even Opera. |
| there are 3 users voted for IE. i feel sorry for them, i hope they will try some modern browser. |
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nerb said: I had a feeling it was about knowing the difference between the Internet and the Internet browser, but when you put a definite article in front of browser, that's what confused me. Additionally, you didn't even mention a comparison between Internet and a browser, so yeah.Tachii said: Reading comprehension is a lost art. The first sentence simply stated that, if you use IE/Safari, you don't really get the difference between the browser and the internet. Obviously there are exceptions like work computers, people who breathe in Apple software, etc. The next sentence would help describe the IQ differences that were described as "slight". If everyone's chance of using a default browser or installing their own were 50/50, and then you have a small group of people with an above-average IQ that also happen to be tech savvy (so a lawyer, physicist, mathematician or someone like that wouldn't be as likely to be a technophile, Engineers and Computer Scientists are more likely to be computer people), then it's easy to see why there's a "slight" IQ benefit to non-default browsers.nerb said: Not sure what you're implying here. I don't think I bothered to understand "what the browser really is" either. And I use firefox. And I have a feeling average firefox users also don't or are engineering students either.Odds are, if you are using IE or Safari, you haven't bothered to understand what the "browser" really is any way. Now, go ask an Engineering student what browser they use, and it'll probably be Firefox, Chrome or even Opera. Your comment on reading comprehension almost seem insulting, but I don't want to add to the fire, so I'll pass up on that. |
| Wow that is a bold statement you got there, but do you really use IE? IE9 IMO is fine. But others just use IE to download other browsers and the poof delete it. :D |
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| smug (and highly intelligent) opera user here ^_^ the results do make a sort of sense, how far do you want to research what you use to browse or do you just grab what's there? Finding a browser that suits how you want to do things requires some experimentation and research. While FF is more difficult to use properly than opera(plugins, etc)...everyone and their cousin raves about FF, so it's become a popular thing. Popular automatically causes a statistical drop because the number of new users that jump on board because it's popular. IE's a no brainer if you have windows, click and go, no fuss, no installing, no research (until it gets borked) FF, 'all the cool kids are using it' chrome has a similar following as FF, safari, same as IE tried all of them except camino...and opera just suited me best for how i want the web delivered. |
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| ^ Stop with the self-appreciation, no one really cares. Btw, chrome user. |
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| the ^_^ denoted it as a joke...sorry you didn't catch that and took umbrage, perhaps i should spell things out more clearly? |
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HATCHA said: What does it matter? turns out its bull shit anyway. Yeah, it was all fake http://www.news.com.au/technology/its-ok-internet-explorer-users-were-the-dummies/story-e6frfro0-1226108035021 |
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