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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Man, characters are getting killed even by lightning in this show now. Crazy. Nature is some scary stuff. Looks like they were able to piece some of the information together about the death of Narishisago's daughter. Not bad. |
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| So they made Hondoumachi went inside Sakaido/Narihisago's id well as a brilliant detective. Well, she does have the skills for it. The director, Momoki, is being framed but by who. |
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| Oh, so it is as i thought .. Sakaido's wife indeed committed suicide after their daughter was murdered, F. Hondoumachi's outfit in the well, she looked like a lewd version of Sherlock Holmes xD. |
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| Whoever's framing Momoki must've planned this for a long time considering that body they found. They would've noticed if it was freshly dug. It would be cool to see Hondoumachi and Sakaido work together in a well if that's even possible. |
| Its starting to get seriously good. |
| SO john walker was the director hmmm |
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| Noone talking about the Chad who can remember 10 million digits of Pi to solve a problem at first glance as well as recalculating it into days. The guy is probably the biggest genius, why they don't send him into the well?! |
KamisamaHatatan said: Noone talking about the Chad who can remember 10 million digits of Pi to solve a problem at first glance as well as recalculating it into days. The guy is probably the biggest genius, why they don't send him into the well?! He looked it up, though it's still pretty far fetched tbh. Once he figured out it's going by the sequence of PI at a fixed interval everything else is just trivial. |
| Well then it's Hondoumachi who gets to dive in the ID well, and WTF Momoki is John Walker, that too BS, cu'z I have an inking that it would be that old man. |
| Hondoumachi was cool in the well. :D I hope Fukuda will get a shot at being useful in a well too because his design rocks. I think Momoki is indeed getting framed here. The old man boss is pretty suspicious. |
| That was unnexpected af. Also, if that world started in the day that his daughter died, how is possible that the people that was inside, didn't even tried to stay in the same place where a thunder fall for (assuming) 2-3 years |
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| Damn, I gotta start waking up earlier on Sundays to get in the discussion threads, they're basically done by the time I get up, ugh. Or I could just stick to the MAL ones and not worry about Reddit, hmm. As for the episode, man this was amazing. Narihisago's life has been nothing but pain, his wife committed suicide and losing his daughter so young.. That flashback of him just straight up killing the challenger was wild and knowing he still harbours that murderous rage years later.. understandable. Looks like we're going straight up inception with another well inside a well, director arrested and Toga appointed new director. This show's been amazing so far, I hope they can stick the landing unlike Babylon. Wish it wasn't so slept on as well. Definitely one of the best of the season. |
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| Probably the best episode we've seen in a while. But come on, really? You couldn't have written RED HERRING and SET UP across the screen in bright red marker and not have been more obvious than this episode was. Momoki is soooo not the killer/John Walker it hurts. Handomachi as a detective is okay, but honestly, she's the least interesting of all of them so far. Her outfit is horrible and her attitude is way too cold. Similar to what we saw when she killed Kazuta. Sakaido at least has a compassion about him when he goes into the well. And why is she the only one with a full name? Is it because she's more compatible? Because she's a girl? What? It was cool that we got to fill in the blanks with Sakaido's past and his well. His wife killed herself and he just up and rang the doorbell and filled his daughter's killer full of holes. Don't blame him honestly. I'm a little confused about this particle business. So, the wells stay around even after death? And yet in episode 1, we see that the id wells change based on real-time. How can that be? Wouldn't the id well die if the person it's connected to does in that case? Anyway, other than that, it was kind of sad to see Sakaido's well and that it began the moment of his daughter's death and just keeps going. Also how he tried his best to save people by sacrificing himself. I don't think Sakaido believes Momoki is John Walker, but he needs to be sure. Because if he is, he'll probably kill him himself after pretending to be his friend all this time. But I'm 98% sure that he's not so we'll have to find who the real killer is (and I have a pretty good idea who at this point.) Also, do these killers get a trial at all? Because they seem to just stick them in this facility and call it a day. And they're stuck in there like, a day after they're caught. It's just interesting that they would do that. And why do they keep sticking them right next to Sakaido? Do they really have that little room in this weird future prison? So now things are heating up but how are they going to get Handomachi out of a well within a well? This isn't Inception so I'm not sure how she would be able to release herself. How do you even do that? How do you upload someone's cognition particles into a "machine" in someone else's id? |
| Ok there's no way Momoki is gonna be the killer, was starting to like him tbh. But holy fuk what an episode. You can really see the contrast between Sakaido and Handomachi's approaches to the well's (Sakaido is more trial and error whereas Hondomachi analyzes things beforehand). Big F for the wife, makes sense why Sakaido straight-up murdered the dude |
 'On-Hold' is another way for a completionist to say 'Dropped' |
| A well inside the well... Wonder what the name on the cockpit inside the well has to do with anything, should be an interesting reveal. Oh man so apparently Sakaido's wife killed herself after their daughter was murdered, feels so bad for Sakaido. It's amazing how he's still willing to do this brilliant detective stuff. |
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| oh man that was just amazing, I knew they will do an Inception stuff at some point |
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| As it was mentioned earlier, Momoki being the real culprit seems to be a set up, in my opinion it happens way too early. This show seems to be one of those which reveal the real game around 80% of the story exploited (episode 11 or so here). Anyway, it was interesting to see Hondomachi being the new brilliant detective, even if I'm wondering if she was taken out of her current "exploration" or not. Because after the boss said they had to rescue her, the next shot was in the room with Togo & Sakaido, without any mention to what happened to her. I really got some Inception vibes with the idea of a well inside a well |
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| Going back to Sakaido/Narihisago's id well, Matsuoka and the Organization Kura plan to foil the Challenger's plot with newly crowned "brilliant detective" Hondomachi. With the involvement of mass serial killer John Walker and the Challenger (which turned Narihisago into a killer), this plan must be investigated with no room to spare for information. The well within a well that's thunderbolted in random order, Hondomachi seeks solace with the red herring that is Kaeru. And to see Narihisago's wife and daughter in his id well, to analyse the situation in contrast of Sakaido's trial-and-error quirk that could give an edge, but what the outcome is, that's still remains to be seen. As is with Narihisago's id well, his well still goes back to the day of the murder of his daughter, and now that it's ID:Invaded by Hondomachi, I'm certain for sure the speculations will start to follow. And I believe that Director Momoki being accused of being John Walker, that is just some Inception-level shit. Plus the fact that now Narihisago is notified of this, this is truly the endless spiral of (mis)leading information. Who to trust, and who to follow? Great episode that deepens the mystery further. Now this is HOW you do a mystery series. |
KANLen09Feb 9, 2020 3:54 PM
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| Wow no one talks about how Hondoumachi look a lot like Narihisago's daughter yeah it's been established she's was supposed to be dead but it was only stated |
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| Hondoumachi looking extra cute in that detective outfit. |
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| damn im loving our loli detective now and a dream within a dream? inception much?  |
I'm glad there are more twists in this episode. Everything indicates that the Chief is John Walker while the director is innocent. |
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| 100% sure john walker is the old guy head of the place |
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Eleiyas said: honestly this anime keeps getting better and better. so much intrigue, good drama, well-paced, good story :D It has been bloody brilliant so far. |
| I was looking at the Reddit discussion earlier, and someone was talking about Narihisago's well. They said that there were two major themes, the lightning, and pi. At first, it seems like both of them were random, but if viewed more closely, they weren't. So they said that maybe those two things in his well means that even if his daughter's death might seem random, it wasn't. Then another person pointed out that with John Walker being someone in the agency, she might have been specifically targeted so that Narihisago would be a potential candidate for the ID well. So I thought what if the creator of the ID well is John Walker? He was in the agency, and he disappeared right after making the ID well. It's a far stretch, though. If he is John Walker, why would he make the ID well in the first place? That and his bones were found in the yard already, but I thinking that he found a way to set it up? We'd have to wait until next week for the next episode but nfwoeqfnuewbruiowern I cannot wait anymore. |
jd2001zFeb 10, 2020 5:46 AM
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| I still think the grey-haired man is John Walker. So there is an ID cockpit inside an ID. Cool!! Narihisago managed to figure out Hondoumachi was entering his ID. He's really a good detective. Though, I really want to know what would happen if he entered his own ID. I wonder if people who tried to commit suicide "remember" their full names when they're in Detective mode. The fact that we're still seeing some of the older criminals makes me think they'll be important later on. |
| Good episode. I expect Walker to be someone with early access to the same technology they are using, but that instead uses it to somehow go into other people's subconscious and alter it so they become serial killers. So maybe the creator is not dead and the body they found is fake? Some family member perhaps? I just hope they don't pull a complete Devil Ex Machina out of their asses XD Also nice touch that the girl remembers her full name inside the well, I think that's a hint so we know that she's even better at this than Sakaido. |
| Good Episode 8/10 |
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| Holy shit! Best episode so far, hands down! Narihisago has a fucking messed up Id well; I really like the significance in himself being dead within in it. As far as Momoki being John Walker... no, just no. I really don't think he's John Walker but I DO agree that it's someone within the team. I just don't know who yet... |
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| they ant foolin no one our boys been framed good episode still hate these wells that have a ton of people tied to them just endlessly dying ,at least Hondoumachi has been way better at saving them even if it is't her main goal |
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