Tokyo Ghoul:re Chapter 155 Discussion

Dec 28, 2017 8:14 AM

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Damn, I forgot how badass Hsiao can be in this series.

One heck of a fight this chapter. A cliffhanger to leave us hanging at the end of the year...I'm looking forward to next chapter :D

Dec 28, 2017 8:24 AM

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Great chapter! Looks like aura has indeed come to his senses. Man, I really hope Kaneki gets to talk with the Qs after all this. I’m surprised mutsuki caught on to his lying habit.

Dec 28, 2017 8:33 AM

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Damn. Didn't expect a chapter this early, I guess that means, if we follow the normal schedule, we won't have a new chapter for the following two weeks. Well, not particularly fond of the way :re has gone these days, so I won't be missing it as much as I missed it during other breaks.

Anyway, about this. Straightforward chapter, we got to see the reason why Mutsuki developed feelings for Kaneki. A bit weird, but she always had some twisted thinking anyway. Urie doesn't want to lose anyone anymore, so let's see if Ishida will give Mutsuki the path of redemption or if she'll be an antagonist until the end.

I thought Aura changed his mind way too quickly, hope he isn't just fooling Hsiao and Higemaru, wouldn't like that.

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Dec 28, 2017 9:29 AM

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Meh. The boring fight is still ongoing.
Suzuya vs Kaneki would have been better than this shit.
This shit deserves to be off-screened.

But, yeah we'll have anime.
Maybe Pierrot will do some shit filler fight.

Dec 28, 2017 9:30 AM

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Aura got trashed xD Now, if only Mutsuki got beaten to a pulp, things would be much better.

Dec 28, 2017 10:10 AM

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Losing everything and everyone, Shirazu and Sasaki, has really matures Urie. If we compare him to the beginning of the manga, he has grown a lot. I feel that Urie could really be the Arima replacement that Sasaki was meant to train.

Dec 28, 2017 10:33 AM

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We're probably getting a Mutsuki redemption, which I'm perfectly fine with. I still don't really care about him, but he really wasn't any worse than other characters that have been redeemed, like Suzuya or Tsukiyama were before they grew and developed. Also I don't want Urie to lose anymore people close to him. Anyway hopefully the Mutsuki stuff is resolved next chapter, so we can get back to saving Kaneki.

Dec 28, 2017 10:37 AM

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NoahRivaire said:
Meh. The boring fight is still ongoing.
Suzuya vs Kaneki would have been better than this shit.
This shit deserves to be off-screened.

But, yeah we'll have anime.
Maybe Pierrot will do some shit filler fight.

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Neither of these deserved to get offscreened if anything furuta and his bullshit needs to be offscreened.

Dec 28, 2017 10:40 AM

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fullmetal-ghoul said:
We're probably getting a Mutsuki redemption, which I'm perfectly fine with. I still don't really care about him, but he really wasn't any worse than other characters that have been redeemed, like Suzuya or Tsukiyama were before they grew and developed. Also I don't want Urie to lose anymore people close to him. Anyway hopefully the Mutsuki stuff is resolved next chapter, so we can get back to saving Kaneki.

I don't really care about mutsuki but if they can't save him I really worry about them being able to save Ken. I just Hope Ken does nothing stupid like kill touka and his unborn child or make furutas plan more a success then it annoyingly is.

Dec 28, 2017 10:41 AM

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Another great chapter! The thing i admire about Ishida is that he never leaves a character undeveloped instead of always focusing on the main character.. such a great writer.

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Dec 28, 2017 11:08 AM

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fullmetal-ghoul said:
We're probably getting a Mutsuki redemption, which I'm perfectly fine with. I still don't really care about him, but he really wasn't any worse than other characters that have been redeemed, like Suzuya or Tsukiyama were before they grew and developed. Also I don't want Urie to lose anymore people close to him. Anyway hopefully the Mutsuki stuff is resolved next chapter, so we can get back to saving Kaneki.

You're comparing Mutsuki to Juuzou? Come on...

Dec 28, 2017 11:12 AM

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It's not a big deal, everyone lie sometimes.
I think they should kill her, she can't back anymore.
4/5

Dec 28, 2017 11:14 AM

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Aezeryel said:

fullmetal-ghoul said:
We're probably getting a Mutsuki redemption, which I'm perfectly fine with. I still don't really care about him, but he really wasn't any worse than other characters that have been redeemed, like Suzuya or Tsukiyama were before they grew and developed. Also I don't want Urie to lose anymore people close to him. Anyway hopefully the Mutsuki stuff is resolved next chapter, so we can get back to saving Kaneki.

You're comparing Mutsuki to Juuzou? Come on...

Juuzou in the original TG, before his development, was a pretty bad person. It makes his development all the more satisfying and obviously they're incomparable now, but if Juuzou could be redeemed why not Mutsuki?

Cyborg_Dragon said:

fullmetal-ghoul said:
We're probably getting a Mutsuki redemption, which I'm perfectly fine with. I still don't really care about him, but he really wasn't any worse than other characters that have been redeemed, like Suzuya or Tsukiyama were before they grew and developed. Also I don't want Urie to lose anymore people close to him. Anyway hopefully the Mutsuki stuff is resolved next chapter, so we can get back to saving Kaneki.

I don't really care about mutsuki but if they can't save him I really worry about them being able to save Ken. I just Hope Ken does nothing stupid like kill touka and his unborn child or make furutas plan more a success then it annoyingly is.

I'm not seeing the link between Ken and Mutsuki, maybe you can explain. And I highly doubt he would do something like that.

Dec 28, 2017 12:37 PM

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fullmetal-ghoul said:

Aezeryel said:

You're comparing Mutsuki to Juuzou? Come on...

Juuzou in the original TG, before his development, was a pretty bad person. It makes his development all the more satisfying and obviously they're incomparable now, but if Juuzou could be redeemed why not Mutsuki?

Pretty bad? How come? Let's count all the bad things he did in TG:
1) Stealing Kaneki's wallet
2)???
3)...
The fact that he held no regard for his or anyone else's life does not make him a bad person, just not a sane one.
On the other hand, we have Mutsuki who: killed (IIRC) and fed on her fellow investigators, almost killed Akira (and then was like "she got in the way, it's her fault"), 'raped' Uta/Kaneki clone, and now she attacked her fellow investigators with intention to kill.
I fail to see how these are comparable.

Dec 28, 2017 1:30 PM

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Aezeryel said:

Pretty bad? How come? Let's count all the bad things he did in TG:
1) Stealing Kaneki's wallet
2)???
3)...

How about biting that investigator's ear, almost killing him in the process, for no justifiable reason? Or killing Nashiro (Kurona's sister)? And yes it was CCG vs a ghoul, but motives matter. People like Amon and Shinohara were part of the CCG because they legitimately thought they were doing the world a favour by getting rid of ghouls, and they had reason to think so, even if they were wrong. Suzuya was a part of the CCG because it allowed him to kill

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The fact that he held no regard for his or anyone else's life does not make him a bad person, just not a sane one.

Having no regard for the lives of others close to you makes you a bad person, especially when you consistently endanger those lives. At least by my moral standards

Aezeryel said:
On the other hand, we have Mutsuki who: killed (IIRC) and fed on her fellow investigators, almost killed Akira (and then was like "she got in the way, it's her fault"), 'raped' Uta/Kaneki clone, and now she attacked her fellow investigators with intention to kill.
I fail to see how these are comparable.

Fair enough, Mutsuki has done worse things, but that doesn't mean he's a much worse person than Suzuya was. Both were violent without any justifiable reason, even if it was understandable given their backstories, and that's what makes (or made in Suzuya's case) the two of them pretty bad people. Mutsuki is worse, but they can definitely be compared imo

Dec 28, 2017 2:48 PM

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Just kill her already Ishida

Dec 28, 2017 3:19 PM

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- So Shinsanpei... I don't think he came to his senses. I actually hope Kiyoko will see what this fucker is doing all the time. She can bring him back to his senses.

- Mutsuki. Now we know the reason she loves Kaneki. Even if it's a bit weird of a reason. Still hope Urie will beat the shit out of her.

- Urie just developed from the least to one of my most liked characters. I understand that he doesn't want to loose anyone anymore, but I still think he has to fuck Mutsuki up a bit. I don't mean he should kill her but teach her some sanity.

Sometimes good people make bad choices. It doesn't mean they are bad people. It means they're human.

Dec 28, 2017 3:19 PM

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fullmetal-ghoul said:

How about biting that investigator's ear, almost killing him in the process, for no justifiable reason? Or killing Nashiro (Kurona's sister)? And yes it was CCG vs a ghoul, but motives matter. People like Amon and Shinohara were part of the CCG because they legitimately thought they were doing the world a favour by getting rid of ghouls, and they had reason to think so, even if they were wrong. Suzuya was a part of the CCG because it allowed him to kill

Having no regard for the lives of others close to you makes you a bad person, especially when you consistently endanger those lives. At least by my moral standards

Fair enough, Mutsuki has done worse things, but that doesn't mean he's a much worse person than Suzuya was. Both were violent without any justifiable reason, even if it was understandable given their backstories, and that's what makes (or made in Suzuya's case) the two of them pretty bad people. Mutsuki is worse, but they can definitely be compared imo

I think "almost killing him" is a bit of exaggeration.
Motives matter- depends. Furuta wanting to create a world where humans and ghouls would be united is a good motive, but that good motive does not make him a good person in the least. Juuzou was a part of CCG because Shinohara said he deserved a second chance (and because he was already well trained fighter).

It seems we have different moral standards. Also, how was Juuzou endangering any life except his own?

Juuzou was trained to be violent, Mutsuki (possibly) became violent because she was abused. In other words, being violent was imposed on Juuzou, while Mutsuki 'chose' (possibly due to the mentioned abuse) to be violent.

Dec 28, 2017 3:55 PM

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fullmetal-ghoul said:

Aezeryel said:

You're comparing Mutsuki to Juuzou? Come on...

Juuzou in the original TG, before his development, was a pretty bad person. It makes his development all the more satisfying and obviously they're incomparable now, but if Juuzou could be redeemed why not Mutsuki?

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I don't really care about mutsuki but if they can't save him I really worry about them being able to save Ken. I just Hope Ken does nothing stupid like kill touka and his unborn child or make furutas plan more a success then it annoyingly is.

I'm not seeing the link between Ken and Mutsuki, maybe you can explain. And I highly doubt he would do something like that.

Just see a lot of analyst on tumblr and guys on reddit pretty much saying ken is looking to become tgs equivelant of femto soon and will likely be in berserk centipede mode once he is out and do something similar to banjo in part one to touka.

basically if mutsuki cant be redeemed why ken is usually the deal and basically kens life is supposed to be terrible forever apparently. although i hate that because that makes all this seem like a big waste of time.

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Dec 28, 2017 4:03 PM

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Aezeryel said:

I think "almost killing him" is a bit of exaggeration.

I feel he would've have killed the investigator had Shinohara not been there. Suzuya loved to kill in the original TG.

Aezeryel said:
Motives matter- depends. Furuta wanting to create a world where humans and ghouls would be united is a good motive, but that good motive does not make him a good person in the least.

In Furuta's case it was the means which were wrong, not the end goal. He was not a good person. But in contrast Suzuya killed ghouls because he loved to kill. He was nihilistic in the original series. Both the means and the ends were wrong.

Aezeryel said:
Juuzou was a part of CCG because Shinohara said he deserved a second chance (and because he was already well trained fighter).

He only stuck around to be an investigator because it allowed him to kill without getting punished by the law.

Aezeryel said:
It seems we have different moral standards. Also, how was Juuzou endangering any life except his own?

Well repeatedly ditching his subordinates during an operation, but that is a bit of a stretch. I'm fairly sure there are other examples, but I can't remember so it was a bit of far fetched thing for me to say, my bad

Aezeryel said:
Juuzou was trained to be violent, Mutsuki (possibly) became violent because she was abused. In other words, being violent was imposed on Juuzou, while Mutsuki 'chose' (possibly due to the mentioned abuse) to be violent.

Both are understandably violent, but even if you can understand Suzuya's desire to be violent, it doesn't change the fact he was violent because he wanted to be violent. Both him and Mutsuki do similar things for similar reasons, and even if we can understand why they do it, it doesn't make their actions any better.

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Just see a lot of analyst on tumblr and guys on reddit pretty much saying ken is looking to become tgs equivelant of femto soon and will likely be in berserk centipede mode once he is out and do something similar to banjo in part one to touka.

basically if mutsuki cant be redeemed why ken is usually the deal and basically kens life is supposed to be terrible forever apparently. although i hate that because that makes all this seem like a big waste of time.

Well it depends on what happens in the future. I haven't read Berserk, but from what I've heard I don't think Kaneki will become anything like Griffith, even if I can see him becoming more ruthless.

I've seen the Mutsuki, Kaneki comparisons but they make zero sense to me. I countered said comparisons here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/TokyoGhoul/comments/7lbwxv/interesting_analysis_of_mutsuki_kaneki_urie_and/drlfrni/?context=0

Dec 28, 2017 7:01 PM

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Kudos to Mutsuki for catching Ken lying technique so early in the story.

However, excuse me while I go on a Tooru Mutsuki rant:
"Excuse Me! You can't just call Touka, "that woman"! "that woman" has literally been with Kaneki since day one of being a ghoul! While you only met him in this sequel series!
Not to mention,"that woman" is on the short list of people that, if she dies the fandom will go crazy like when we all though Hide died! There shall be riots in all of the forums, group chats, Tumblr, Discord, etc.!"

“You should enjoy the little detours to the fullest. Things more important then what your hunting for, could be right there on the side of the road.”

Dec 28, 2017 11:04 PM

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It's interesting that Mutsuki recognized Haise's lying habit, and thought his lies were done to protect others. Instead of seeing his lies as selfish, Mutsuki appreciated that Haise thought of him: he pretended not to see his female body, to avoid embarrassment. Mutsuki deprived of love his entire life, including consideration, so I understand his attachment to Haise more.

Urie was very touching this chapter! Like Haise, his aim is to protect the team. Even though Mutsuki told Urie to kill him, our squad leader said, "No," firmly, and we see, "I won't lose anyone anymore." T____T Shirazu’s death will always be a reminder… Urie’s done well as the leader so far, in Haise’s place.

I believe Saiko when she said that she and Urie were worried about Mutsuki, and wanted to search for him... T.T Both don’t want to kill the person they care about! ><

As expected, Mutsuki doesn't want to kill his teammates, "But I guess I have no choice." </3

It's good to see Aura back to his senses. The CCG fought for peace, so like Higemaru said, "No more fighting should be the most important thing, right?" So, if working with ghouls is the only way for their world to have peace, then why not?

It would be touching if Kaneki talked with the Quinx Squad after this... It truly was cruel of Kaneki to leave them back then... :/

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Dec 29, 2017 2:30 AM

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Wow what a great title he choose for this epic chapter 5/5

Dec 29, 2017 4:02 AM

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Please kill Mutsuki already.

Dec 29, 2017 5:18 AM

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Loved this chapter, the flashback and the confrontation betweem Saiko, Mutsuki and Urie..

Man I really have grown to love them all.
Miss Shirazu.. (Btw wasn't his body taken by kanou?)

Hisao showing her badass self again.

Dec 29, 2017 8:37 AM

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