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Feb 20, 2016 8:23 AM
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Finally, some legit action this episode. Not bad. Good to see Kuon fighting too even if it seems kinda silly with the trickery.

Kurou is definitely no pushover as general. Good episode. The cliffhanger got me quite interested with the emperor presumingly dead. Wonder who will take his place?

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Feb 20, 2016 9:33 AM
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This ep was alot better than the previous but it still has issues imo but was enjoyable.
the fight with Kurou was awesome though it was almost the same as in the game.

Feb 20, 2016 9:58 AM
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Couldn't enjoy it at all cause of the horrible circumstances surrounding this war, but the emperor died which is awesome right? No more idiotic war? I can hope anyway...
Feb 20, 2016 10:16 AM
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So the anime actually added the Kuon foreshadowing that the purists bitched about being removed. And it actually fits better than the place it was in the game. Good. Let's be frank. Its an adaptation. It can't be an identical copy. This is the show writer's interpretation of Haku's legend. Its simply a different point of view to his story. And so far they are doing quite a good job. I am not saying that there are no mistakes(Some build up of Yamato's setting could have been kept), but in terms of humanizing characters and establishing Haku's development, they have done a bang-up job.
Good.

This overall was perfect episode, full of hidden meanings.


Its nice to see Haku's development come to head. He is clearly overwhelmed by the expectations he has to live up to and he is not perfect, but he still manages to inspire others and do the best with what he can do with.

We also get a lot of great build up for Kuon. With what Kurou said, her parentage should be obvious to the UTWR1 anime onlies. And her mother can be easily guessed from the clues provided.

Sadly this amusing reunion is hampered by the things happening behind the scenes, as Emperor is announced dead. Part of me thinks its Karura and Touka's doing since they stayed behind, while other parts thinks its some sort of coup from within. Only time will tell. Hmmmm, the mystery deepens.
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Feb 20, 2016 10:47 AM
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Now this is better. I still support Tsukuru. Btw, this is just Benawi and Kurou difficulty level. If Karura and Touka join in....

Emperor die in the end was surprised. Did he got assassinated or die because of old age?
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Feb 20, 2016 10:47 AM
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This anime makes me so hyped! Just seeing Benawi and Kurou almost gave me a heart-attack :D
Seriously, who cares about Yamato anymore :D.
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Feb 20, 2016 11:11 AM
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Good to see Kuon fighting too even if it seems kinda silly with the trickery.


Inb4 #KuonAkuruturukabuff .
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The silliness and comedic moments interjected during the middle of serious/dramatic scenes like the battles are really off-putting. Reminded me of Yona of the Dawn where the comedic moments didn't fit whatsoever. First season did a much better job in that respect by keeping the serious moments serious and the comedic moments funny.

Kurou's personality seems a lot more barbaric in this season. Benawi seems identical.

Wonder if Woshisu has something to do with the Emperor's death... seems a little suspicious at the beginning. Maybe it's just the VA.
Feb 20, 2016 11:21 AM
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Benawi too based! And totally loved seeing Kurou WRECK some shit XD Yamato don't stand a chance combat wise. I guess that's why Haku's a very valuable asset for Yamato. Loved Kuon's falcon kick tho lol

I won't believe the news about The Emperor dying until I see it myself. I mean there's no way it'll be done off screen. He's pretty much immortal for gods sake and just suddenly he's dead? Hmmm....

I didn't expect this but I actually liked the comedy in between the seriousness ^^;
Feb 20, 2016 11:23 AM
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Kurou and Benawi are so tough and strong!

The emperor died in the end was a surprise!
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Thank fuck the Emperor's dead. Let's just hope Tusukuru go on to win the rest of this (poorly-animated) war. Seeing Kurou and Benawi again was awesome as well, even better that they didn't die and almost completely defeated the Yamato forces. Long may it continue.

Also, seeing some more animation (or any at all) in future fights would be really nice, thanks.

Oh, and the unfitting and terrible comedy continues to be unfitting, jarring and terrible. No surprise there.
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Finally I could see Benawi wrecking some newbies... that's all I have been waiting for.

Still who would have thought that Kurou would level up so much... I am liking it a lot though.

Now I need more of those two characters! And give me Hakurou... .


Lastly, it already went in a good direction and two of three annoying little creatures, did not appear. There is only Atui left but the show went in a good direction. But please don't give me that never again!

Next, I love how Haku is putting in work, yet again. Truly even though this show has it good episodes and bad episodes, Haku keeps on being great character no matter what. It's rare for series to have such great protagonist.


The only complain that I have in this episode thought is that PLOT ARMOUR in this series is strong and not a single important or no, even not important characters don't die.

I don't see that the series would suffer from Munchika getting killed in this episode because enemy was clearly too strong (even knowing that it won't happen , I prayed she will). I definitely wouldn't want to see Kurou die but didn't he take a granite on the face as well? In the first place if it weren't for PLOT ARMOUR of main characters, then this situation would not happen. Only Haku would die wouldn't he? ... that's not fine... well he has Tuskuru's holy relic so he wouldn't be killed. Kuon seems to be the princess of Tuskuru (this time we know this nearly for a fact, Kuro even calls her Ojou) so naturally she wouldn't get killed either.

Samurai is a good character but similiar to Munchika I wouldn't cry after him... but how great it would be if Atui were killed off and it would serve as Haku's character development!

Truly I don't ask for much, any one of them will do... please? Please? Please?

Oh well, one can always dream!
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Kuon strangling Haku, it's been a while haha.
Kurou too strong, pls nerf. Was great seeing him in action, not too much for Benawi unfortunately.
Kurou saying Kuon can tear the country in half o.O, maybe foreshadowing~
Emperor died, now that's unexpected...wonder if he's really dead..
Hope we'll see some Karura/Touka action soon~
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eso18 said:

Now I need more of those two characters! And give me Hakurou... .


If this happens, I am gonna explode of epicness!!!
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I'm not sure if this series can sink any lower after this episode. "Comedy" bits in what is supposed to be a serious war were completely misplaced and plain annoying. Plot conveniences allowing storage to be blown up were pretty bad as well but that might be as well the fault of the source material.

Still, the worst part was actually Kuon. From the most, if not the only likeable character in the series, she turned into a traitorous bitch. She spews bullshit about ending the war when it means her people dying (yeah, soldiers are people with families too) and getting conquered by a nation that doesn't have qualms about massacring its own citizens. Yamato is kind of like Yue's country from the first season, only with lots of faffing around, poor humour and other crap to cover it up.

It still isn't the worst part. What makes Kuon even more despicable is who she is. She basically comes from the royal family. She betrays country her father created and fought for together with her whole step-family in the court. It's a different matter to be there to make sure her friends from Yamato won't get killed by overwhelming forces of Tusukuru, and causing people of country she's princess of to be killed and conquered. Betrayal is disgusting in itself but even more when it comes from someone in power who is obliged to protect those beneath.

At this point I'm only watching it for the scraps of world building filling in the big picture from the first season. The whole off-putting new cast can die in pain for all I care since this series feels like one huge filler episode.

Oh right, and the fuck is with giving away her father's keepsake to some lazy twat. I thought it was just some metal fan inspired by Hakuoro's weapon, not the original one.
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I'm not sure if this series can sink any lower after this episode. "Comedy" bits in what is supposed to be a serious war were completely misplaced and plain annoying. Plot conveniences allowing storage to be blown up were pretty bad as well but that might be as well the fault of the source material.

Still, the worst part was actually Kuon. From the most, if not the only likeable character in the series, she turned into a traitorous bitch. She spews bullshit about ending the war when it means her people dying (yeah, soldiers are people with families too) and getting conquered by a nation that doesn't have qualms about massacring its own citizens. Yamato is kind of like Yue's country from the first season, only with lots of faffing around, poor humour and other crap to cover it up.

It still isn't the worst part. What makes Kuon even more despicable is who she is. She basically comes from the royal family. She betrays country her father created and fought for together with her whole step-family in the court. It's a different matter to be there to make sure her friends from Yamato won't get killed by overwhelming forces of Tusukuru, and causing people of country she's princess of to be killed and conquered. Betrayal is disgusting in itself but even more when it comes from someone in power who is obliged to protect those beneath.

At this point I'm only watching it for the scraps of world building filling in the big picture from the first season. The whole off-putting new cast can die in pain for all I care since this series feels like one huge filler episode.

Oh right, and the fuck is with giving away her father's keepsake to some lazy twat. I thought it was just some metal fan inspired by Hakuoro's weapon, not the original one.


Lol, good points here.
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Antanaru said:
I'm not sure if this series can sink any lower after this episode. "Comedy" bits in what is supposed to be a serious war were completely misplaced and plain annoying. Plot conveniences allowing storage to be blown up were pretty bad as well but that might be as well the fault of the source material.

Still, the worst part was actually Kuon. From the most, if not the only likeable character in the series, she turned into a traitorous bitch. She spews bullshit about ending the war when it means her people dying (yeah, soldiers are people with families too) and getting conquered by a nation that doesn't have qualms about massacring its own citizens. Yamato is kind of like Yue's country from the first season, only with lots of faffing around, poor humour and other crap to cover it up.

It still isn't the worst part. What makes Kuon even more despicable is who she is. She basically comes from the royal family. She betrays country her father created and fought for together with her whole step-family in the court. It's a different matter to be there to make sure her friends from Yamato won't get killed by overwhelming forces of Tusukuru, and causing people of country she's princess of to be killed and conquered. Betrayal is disgusting in itself but even more when it comes from someone in power who is obliged to protect those beneath.

At this point I'm only watching it for the scraps of world building filling in the big picture from the first season. The whole off-putting new cast can die in pain for all I care since this series feels like one huge filler episode.

Oh right, and the fuck is with giving away her father's keepsake to some lazy twat. I thought it was just some metal fan inspired by Hakuoro's weapon, not the original one.


Lol, good points here.


If this was the first episode that person watched? Sure.
Otherwise most of them can be refuted by solely quoting what the show told so far.

You know the show is good when the troll circlejerk just can't stop watching.
There HAVE been mediocre adaptations(UTWR1), there have been horrible adaptations(ufoubw) and this is not the one of them. Its not the best, it has its flaws, but its nowhere near worst or mediocre.
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Pretty good action, kurou as strong as usual.

was expecting Yakutowaruto to be stronger since he is called the strongest swordsman or something around those lines.

And the Emperor is dead, I wonder if at the third and last VN haku will become emperor.
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was expecting Yakutowaruto to be stronger since he is called the strongest swordsman or something around those lines.

Yakutowaruto is strongest in Yamato. He is around Atui's level as shown before. But he is still pretty much a duelist.

Kurou participated in multiple far more frightening wars not to mention most likely spent time sparring with likes of Karura. Thats an entirely different level.
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Benawi! Intense ep. Emperor died huh. Since this war started because of the emperor, I wonder wtf are they gonna do about the war against Tuskuru since this was all his idea
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5 more episodes to go till . . .

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My god, Kurou's Japanese voice is terrible; he sounds about 70. I miss his dubbed voice so bad.
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Antanaru said:
I'm not sure if this series can sink any lower after this episode. "Comedy" bits in what is supposed to be a serious war were completely misplaced and plain annoying. Plot conveniences allowing storage to be blown up were pretty bad as well but that might be as well the fault of the source material.

Still, the worst part was actually Kuon. From the most, if not the only likeable character in the series, she turned into a traitorous bitch. She spews bullshit about ending the war when it means her people dying (yeah, soldiers are people with families too) and getting conquered by a nation that doesn't have qualms about massacring its own citizens. Yamato is kind of like Yue's country from the first season, only with lots of faffing around, poor humour and other crap to cover it up.

It still isn't the worst part. What makes Kuon even more despicable is who she is. She basically comes from the royal family. She betrays country her father created and fought for together with her whole step-family in the court. It's a different matter to be there to make sure her friends from Yamato won't get killed by overwhelming forces of Tusukuru, and causing people of country she's princess of to be killed and conquered. Betrayal is disgusting in itself but even more when it comes from someone in power who is obliged to protect those beneath.

At this point I'm only watching it for the scraps of world building filling in the big picture from the first season. The whole off-putting new cast can die in pain for all I care since this series feels like one huge filler episode.

Oh right, and the fuck is with giving away her father's keepsake to some lazy twat. I thought it was just some metal fan inspired by Hakuoro's weapon, not the original one.


Watch it, you got a hate bonner there, mate!

That said, I'm puzzled about Kuon's behavior here. No idea how's she rationalizing it, really, or if there's even anything rational about it. I mean caring for your friends is all well and good, but I would think her country and her family would come first. If anything, she should have gone back home and found out what the reason for the war was, and seen what she could have done going from there.
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Nice Haku and his team, i really enjoy with they action when attacking Tuskuru base camp by themself. Poor Kuon she now considered as an enemy by Tuskuru. And Emperor dead will make an disadvantage for Yamato. Go Haku, you must defeat Tuskuru!
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That said, I'm puzzled about Kuon's behavior here. No idea how's she rationalizing it, really, or if there's even anything rational about it. I mean caring for your friends is all well and good, but I would think her country and her family would come first. If anything, she should have gone back home and found out what the reason for the war was, and seen what she could have done going from there.


SHe does not want either side to get hurt. She grew up in tuskuru, but haku and people around her now IS her family now.She does not want her either family to get hurt.

She clearly holds sway in Tuskuru so she is trying to figure out HOW to use it to stop the war. Till then, while she can't stop the soldiers fighting and dying, she CAN minimize the losses by ensuring Munechika does not fail here, which would lead to Vurai coming in and slaughtering civilians.
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hold up isn't Kuon a traitor now?
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LeanMeanMachine said:

That said, I'm puzzled about Kuon's behavior here. No idea how's she rationalizing it, really, or if there's even anything rational about it. I mean caring for your friends is all well and good, but I would think her country and her family would come first. If anything, she should have gone back home and found out what the reason for the war was, and seen what she could have done going from there.


SHe does not want either side to get hurt. She grew up in tuskuru, but haku and people around her now IS her family now.She does not want her either family to get hurt.

She clearly holds sway in Tuskuru so she is trying to figure out HOW to use it to stop the war. Till then, while she can't stop the soldiers fighting and dying, she CAN minimize the losses by ensuring Munechika does not fail here, which would lead to Vurai coming in and slaughtering civilians.


Wouldn't be surprised if Urto and her followers could cook up something to take care of Vurai. As for this series group being her "family", a better way to put it would be that they're "like" family to her now (not like they replaced her old one) and I can see why she would want to keep them safe, but still. Her going back home to sort things out would have made more sense to me. Meh.
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@Fai At this point all I have to tell you is to fuck off. You can't see any faults in this series, you fanboy about even the shittiest episodes that get smacked around for being just plain bad wherever you look and talk shit about people who criticise it. Either give convincing arguments why it's supposed to be such a great series or just piss off and fart out your paeans without bugging other people.
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Entertaning episode.

Sooo, where all the soldiers go during the fight with Haku&Kuon&Atui&Samurai-Dude and Kurou :( ?
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Nice to see Kurou back in action, he is pretty badass


And now with the emperor possibly dead Vurai probably will get mad
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That ending. Wonder how things will go now, now that the emperor's dead. Great episode, enjoyed it. That scene when Haku was trying to crawl to the enemy's supply house while Kuon was distracting the enemy was pretty hilarious, lol.


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So Kuon is hiding her true powers.

The emperor's death came as a surprise.
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lol they couldn't name the episode something less obvious than "The emperor's death" I thought we were past they age of spoiling major plot points in the preview -_-

Anyway this was one of the better episodes. I can't help but feel like Kurou was goofing off and not taking them seriously. He seemed more than capable of killing all of them fairly quickly, but it was too late and he paid for his screw up. Benawi is also a much more interesting character than any of the main cast. I wish he was the main instead of boring ass Haku.

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Okay sorry for being a really big noob to this franchise but I'm so confused with the plot, big time o-o

Don't get me wrong, it's entertaining and I like it a lot but I just feel that the characters don't take War very seriously and they are all beating around the bush with it like its some sort friendly pass time. I'm getting big "Dog Day" vibes XD is there a reason why they very half arsed about this or is it just me?

The only other issue I have is that there now a lot of out of place comedy and I'm just like "whut?... Alright then o-o "

Other then that I enjoy this anime :3
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lol they couldn't name the episode something less obvious than "The emperor's death" I thought we were past they age of spoiling major plot points in the preview -_-

Anyway this was one of the better episodes. I can't help but feel like Kurou was goofing off and not taking them seriously. He seemed more than capable of killing all of them fairly quickly, but it was too late and he paid for his screw up. Benawi is also a much more interesting character than any of the main cast. I wish he was the main instead of boring ass Haku.

Don't forget Kurou he more Badass in this series compare to the first season. I think we all may know the Kuon mother with this episode
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Wasn't expecting to see a grain dust explosion, but that would certainly destroy all the stored up food (and throw bit and pieces of that building a good 500 yards ;) )

I love how the twins communicate with him.

The Emperor is dead, long live the Emperor!
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The Emperor's death was a surprise.

It would be great if Haku became the emperor, Kuon his wife and empress, then Atui, Rurutie, and Nekone would be his mistresses along with the twins.
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I'm confused as heck right now. So is there actually a country that's suppose to be the antagonist? Yamato are invading Tsukuru for "samples" so that they can further the research to revive humanity. Tsukuru are fighting simply not to get invaded.

Couldn't they do this diplomatically and send envoys for talks or something? Why does it have to come down to invasions and war? I really don't get how things are suppose to work in this series right now...
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Another episode that causes me to rage. Ugh I still can't stand Kuon, I don't care that she means well. She's a traitor. Your soldier even cried for you. Kurou is badass and doesn't need protecting but really, what if your little expedition actually caused him to die? Bitch.

Kurou...I'm very happy that considering you were probably the weakest among the main fighters (Benawi, Oboro, Touka and Karura) from season 1 you still kicked their asses. You be boss. But Benawi still needs to come and scold u for allowing those rejects to WASTE FOOD. Like honestly that was Hakuoro tactics 101 and u still let them do it.

Benawi bless. Munechika can't match your badassary .

And Haku you're still letting me down. These Yamato people logic. Oh we need to win faster so Vurai doesn't come and lay waste to everything. STFU. Don't act like you care. You invaded another country with no reason other than the emperor said so.
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I'm confused as heck right now. So is there actually a country that's suppose to be the antagonist? Yamato are invading Tsukuru for "samples" so that they can further the research to revive humanity. Tsukuru are fighting simply not to get invaded.

Couldn't they do this diplomatically and send envoys for talks or something? Why does it have to come down to invasions and war? I really don't get how things are suppose to work in this series right now...

As much as I hate Yamato's methods, we can't say they didn't try to talk, although it was more of an ultimatium. Let us do our shit or war. That's when we saw BL-author pillar general dude leave Tusukuru disappointed.

Personally I too believe that they should try to talk things out more, but I guess talks would go no where because what Yamato wants, Tusukuru doesn't want to give.
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Antanaru said:
I'm not sure if this series can sink any lower after this episode. "Comedy" bits in what is supposed to be a serious war were completely misplaced and plain annoying. Plot conveniences allowing storage to be blown up were pretty bad as well but that might be as well the fault of the source material.

Still, the worst part was actually Kuon. From the most, if not the only likeable character in the series, she turned into a traitorous bitch. She spews bullshit about ending the war when it means her people dying (yeah, soldiers are people with families too) and getting conquered by a nation that doesn't have qualms about massacring its own citizens. Yamato is kind of like Yue's country from the first season, only with lots of faffing around, poor humour and other crap to cover it up.

It still isn't the worst part. What makes Kuon even more despicable is who she is. She basically comes from the royal family. She betrays country her father created and fought for together with her whole step-family in the court. It's a different matter to be there to make sure her friends from Yamato won't get killed by overwhelming forces of Tusukuru, and causing people of country she's princess of to be killed and conquered. Betrayal is disgusting in itself but even more when it comes from someone in power who is obliged to protect those beneath.

At this point I'm only watching it for the scraps of world building filling in the big picture from the first season. The whole off-putting new cast can die in pain for all I care since this series feels like one huge filler episode.

Oh right, and the fuck is with giving away her father's keepsake to some lazy twat. I thought it was just some metal fan inspired by Hakuoro's weapon, not the original one.


Lol, good points here.


Pretty much the only thing I can disagree with is you saying Kuon was the most interesting character LOL pls. She's been annoying since episode 1 (ok maybe 2 or 3).

Attention this is how you can like a series but not falsely boost it to be something its not. Utawarerumono was and still is one of my favourites. This seasons puts my love to shame. Still fun to watch. Probably one of the most anticipated anime for me every week. But somehow every episode has let me down at some points. At this point I'm really just waiting for the finale. That's when I hope amazing shit happens. (Cue a Hakuoro entrance!)
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First, I must state I like how Kuro, among the weakest of Tuskuru's aces (and they have up to 8 if you count Aruru/Mukuru, Kamyu, and Urutorii), completely owned Haku's entire team. His only failure was plot armor: he should have had help to make sure they couldn't pull off something while he was fighting. Any competent commander would.

Next, the emperor. With his brief scene in this episode, there's a strong indication that his death might be faked. If he can't force his way into the ruins, he might conclude traveling incognito and sneaking in to be another option. He'd fake his death because, if he's believed to be dead rather than having just failed and pulled back, it might cause Tuskuru's leaders to relax their guard. It certainly does make quite a bit of sense.

And an important thing to remember (or understand if you don't have prior knowledge from the first series/game):
For Tuskuru, what the emperor wants goes beyond sacrilege. The necessary consequences of his demands include potentially disturbing and angering a god who has shaped their continent, founded their country, had personal ties with all their leaders, and only just recently went to sleep.
Acquiescing, to Tuskuru, is as much an anathema as giving up on turning his wife and daughter back into humans is for the emperor.
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I am kind of confused here. Why is Kuon fighting against her own country? Is it because she wants to be with Haku or just wants to bring an end to this war?
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Stark700 said:
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Finally, some legit action this episode. Not bad. Good to see Kuon fighting too even if it seems kinda silly with the trickery.

Kurou is definitely no pushover as general. Good episode. The cliffhanger got me quite interested with the emperor presumingly dead. Wonder who will take his place?


I agree There shouldn't be war and tsukuru is way stronger
Feb 20, 2016 10:30 PM
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HatsumiShinogu said:
I am kind of confused here. Why is Kuon fighting against her own country? Is it because she wants to be with Haku or just wants to bring an end to this war?


Yeah, she claims that she want to end this war quickly, but to be honest she's not doing a very good job. Yamato is fighting a losing war, it would be quicker to just let the Yamato armies starve and pull out. That or she could easily give Yamato all the information she has on Tuskuru but lets be honest, if she did that she would probably the most hated character for betraying the season 1 cast and etc.
Feb 21, 2016 2:16 AM

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Inugirlz said:
Another episode that causes me to rage. Ugh I still can't stand Kuon, I don't care that she means well. She's a traitor. Your soldier even cried for you. Kurou is badass and doesn't need protecting but really, what if your little expedition actually caused him to die? Bitch.

HatsumiShinogu said:
I am kind of confused here. Why is Kuon fighting against her own country? Is it because she wants to be with Haku or just wants to bring an end to this war?

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HatsumiShinogu said:
I am kind of confused here. Why is Kuon fighting against her own country? Is it because she wants to be with Haku or just wants to bring an end to this war?


Yeah, she claims that she want to end this war quickly, but to be honest she's not doing a very good job. Yamato is fighting a losing war, it would be quicker to just let the Yamato armies starve and pull out. That or she could easily give Yamato all the information she has on Tuskuru but lets be honest, if she did that she would probably the most hated character for betraying the season 1 cast and etc.

That would cause damage to Yamato(which she does not want) AND that would lead to Emperor sending in Vurai and allowing the mask thing to happen again. Which would result in civilian casualties. And deaths on both sides.

She does not want either side to suffer - neither her family who helped her grow up, nor her new family and friends she made in Yamato.
She can't avoid soldier deaths, but she can minimize casualties and try to prevent the war from escalating.

There's absolutely nothing traitorous in that and even Kurou recognizes that.
If Kuon truly wanted to betray them, Tuskuru would not be doing as good.


Kuon is trying to avoid Munechika's forces from failing, because that would lead to Vurai coming in and starting to murder everyone. Its a short-term solution while she tries to figure out what or how to stop the war(we already know she has a relatively high standing in tuskuru and most likely does not know what to do with it in this situation)
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this was actually entertaining

Feb 21, 2016 6:37 AM

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Not to be a major douchebag, but I am glad the Emperor is dead since he pretty much declared war on a country that had no hostile intentions. They just tried to force themselves onto Hakuoro's "death site" which the people of tsukuru consider sacred. I played the VN, but I still don't get why Kuon wanted to kill her own family.
Anyways, get some tissues for the next following episodes since it will rock your feels
Feb 21, 2016 6:54 AM

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Fai said:
There's absolutely nothing traitorous in that and even Kurou recognizes that.
If Kuon truly wanted to betray them, Tuskuru would not be doing as good.

Kuon did not really betray Tuskuru, yes. Everyone close to her knows that. Her family and friends knows she isn't the sort. But regardless of her actual intentions, or the people who understands her, the fact is Kuon betrayed her country by siding with the enemy.

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Omae wa mou bakuhatsu desu!
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ElectricRed said:
I played the VN, but I still don't get why Kuon wanted to kill her own family.


She didn't want to "kill" them, she was looking for some way to end the war as quickly and smoothly as possible. Her methods, however, don't make much sense to me.
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You have to remember, there's an element of naivety to this. Until very recently, Kuon was trying to prove herself as an adult in the eyes of her mothers, and let's not forget she's been away for home for a while now, so I'm thinking she doesn't realize the weight of her status. Plus, she doesn't have the experience or knowledge necessary to figure out how to deal with the war situation, and while she might believe Tuskuru's unbeatable, she's witnessed the utter brutality of Vurai and even though he'd probably be beaten, the amount of deaths would increase noticeably in the process. And there's the fact that we can't be sure she's fully aware of the risk opening up that site would entail.

So really, Kuon's in a tough place where she can't be sure what to do. She's made some valuable friendships throughout her time in Yamato and she's even helped them in a war against someone else, but now she's in a situation where she can't choose easily and she thinks that things can be solved by finishing this quickly. It's risky, it's naive, but what else can she do? The fact the emperor only sent Munechika as opposed to the entire set of forces indicates he doesn't aim to eradicate, so the best choice is to help fulfill Yamato's objective quickly before it escalates. At least as it is right now, there's a certain level of honor involved.
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Fai said:
There's absolutely nothing traitorous in that and even Kurou recognizes that.
If Kuon truly wanted to betray them, Tuskuru would not be doing as good.

Kuon did not really betray Tuskuru, yes. Everyone close to her knows that. Her family and friends knows she isn't the sort. But regardless of her actual intentions, or the people who understands her, the fact is Kuon betrayed her country by siding with the enemy.



Exactly. Especially because of her position she has zero right to be helping Yamato even if some of her friends are there. In fact I'd like to see how her 'friends' from Yamato would act if she really did decide to go home and fight against them (although it would be more defending than attacking on her part). If they still came to fight her, shows what kind of friends they are.
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