Bleach Chapter 537 Discussion

Reinier said:
Where did ichigo's little sisters come from if his mom died while Itchigo was still young? plot holes ftw

madkat9 said:
http://forums.mangaraiders.com/index.php/topic,2770.msg128444/topicseen.html#msg128444

how i 'called it'. well not completely but close enough hehe

madkat9 said:
http://forums.mangaraiders.com/index.php/topic,2770.msg128444/topicseen.html#msg128444

how i 'called it'. well not completely but close enough hehe

Reinier said:
Where did ichigo's little sisters come from if his mom died while Itchigo was still young? plot holes ftw

Yemi_Hikari said:
As j0x pointed out, Ichigo knows blunt without any training, something that Isshin said only a full blood Quincy obtains naturally.

Scheherazade1007 said:


That's where your whole theory fail.
Knowing something without any training means that it is something inherent to you, something you knows since birth. A full blood quincy can use blut as easily as lifting an arm, as it was a part of his own body. It is not something he needs to learn at all, even without any education he should be able to inherently do it.
Ichigo never used blut in his past fight and he almost died I don't know how many time.
The reason is simple : He didn't know how to use blut.
Ichigo is a genius when it comes to learning. Let's me remind you that he always did what other people takes years to do in a matter of days or even hours. Seeing Kirge use blut in addition to the explanation of how the technique work by Urahara was enough for Ichigo to learn it at that time. That's right, he learned it, he didn't inherently know it.
Therefore Ichigo is not a pure blood quincy, add to that the fact that he cannot be a pure blood quincy because his father isn't one and the fact that surviving the holy selection do not means that you are a pure blood quincy but are recognised as being a quincy worth living by Bach as well as some other information that point towards it and the debate is pretty much done. Ichigo is not a full blood quincy.

Archnemesis said:

And yes i agree with your definition of speculation, but the point is you're still speculating about things that are fact.

Please stop referring to ichigo as juha's son. He isn't. He is juha's descendant. Else i'd expect you to call every quincy alive his son, or your being inconsistent. (you aren't your great-great-great-great-grandfathers son are you? only in terms of being genetic biology - you sitll haven't expalined how quincy dont follow normal bloodlines btw)

Zemus said:
So Yhwach is the ancestor of all quincy, huh? Believable, I suppose..but what I'd like to know is--how is he, a human, still alive, with that age?

Fai said:
He is not human most likely.

He most likely is one of "magic hunters" the manga alluded to before.

hanasan said:
Also Uryu's character would not allow him to betray any of his friends or help the man who murdered his mother since we saw what he did to mayuri for his grandfather.

Zogundar said:


Citation requested. I don't remember that term, but..

j0x said:


im only speculating on the provided evidences of current and previous chapters, it says on this chapter that Quincies literally all have the blood of Juha Bach (literally) so it implies they got abnormal heredity, and again i know the basics about how heredity (DNA/genes) work its just that the Holy Selection proves that the Quincies heredity is different than the usual heredity we all know so yes all Quincies can be Juha Bach's child too (so in Juha Bach's perspective every Quincy is his child) but ye i agree that the formal father of Ichigo is Isshin too

and about Ichigo being pure blooded i will just keep it to myself from now on until a chapter proves or disprove it, Tite Kubo or any other author will not just say random things about pure blooded quincies and blut connection just to confuse the readers anyway

Archnemesis said:

And your seriously taking this 'every quincy is juha bach's child'. Define your sense of the term 'child' because we may be arguing about two completely different things. If by 'child' you mean descendant, then yes. But please use the term descendant instead of child.

And id like some citation for the whole 'dont follow biology properly' because to me it seems like some random theory you've come up with because i've yet to see them refer to that bit.

kirby_422 said:
One thing thats strange me... So, Ichigo inherited both the Hollow, as well as the soul balancing ties from Isshin... If this stuff is inherited, then why are the ties not on either of his sisters? We know they aren't on the sisters, since neither of them have hollowified, yet Isshin is free (we know ichigos ties where broken because he fully hollowfied) So, this would imply that the hollow was completely transferred to ichigo and neither of the sisters received it... But, if it was completely transferred to ichigo, then his mother would no longer be an impure quincy... However, the fact the hollow wasn't passed down to the two of them does show how they inherited far less power than ichigo, who knows what powers they even have passed on.

Archnemesis said:
Again your taking the words "his blood flows within all quincies" too literally. According to christianity, Adams blood (and then noah's) flows within all of us. I just reread the chapter and it doesn't say it literally does. It just says it flows through them all. Inferring that they are his descendants, not children.
And don't come up with claims then say you don't need to prove them, this is a bleach forum, not goddamned christianity.

kirby_422 said:
One thing thats strange me... So, Ichigo inherited both the Hollow, as well as the soul balancing ties from Isshin... If this stuff is inherited, then why are the ties not on either of his sisters? We know they aren't on the sisters, since neither of them have hollowified, yet Isshin is free (we know ichigos ties where broken because he fully hollowfied) So, this would imply that the hollow was completely transferred to ichigo and neither of the sisters received it... But, if it was completely transferred to ichigo, then his mother would no longer be an impure quincy... However, the fact the hollow wasn't passed down to the two of them does show how they inherited far less power than ichigo, who knows what powers they even have passed on.

doeman said:
ok, so i just read the chapter and there's one thing i'm missing. how and when did juha steal masaki's powers? i'm assuming it was "9 years ago on June 17th", but HOW exactly did it happen?

j0x said:
thats up to the readers imagination the facts are already there like the Holy Selection just re-read it again

doeman said:
oh, COME ON....

guarantee you we see how he steals their powers sometime later.... wait a minute... weren't they stealing the bankai's of the shinigami during that little skirmish in SS? maybe it's the same way?

doeman said:

EDIT: i say we might see it later because it's probable that he might want to steal ishida's powers? he's technically impure too because of his mother.. but wait, the only reason why juha stole powers before was to achieve full power... so if he's at full power now, what sense does it make in steal more quincy powers.? screw it, i'm done.

amenboy972 said:
Good chapter. Let' see how Ichigo will create his own zanpakuto.

Dr_Smurph said:


They would have to have powers he could steal. Ishida had to develop his powers over time. Also Blut was never used by Ishida that I know of, definitely not in hundreds of chapters, which would of come naturally to him if he was pure.

Archnemesis said:
And don't come up with claims then say you don't need to prove them, this is a bleach forum, not goddamned christianity.