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Shicchi said: You're welcome!! :) We did talk in the How is HIDE's character important? discussion thread. It's nice to see you here too, expressing how you feel, and making good remarks about Hide and his feelings.Cloe900311 said: It’s been a while since I chose “Loved it!” in a chapter poll for this series. Well done, Ishida! :D I really appreciate your post, thank you! :) I received such warm feelings, when Hide simply said, “Because I love him.” Out of all of the characters in this story, Hide’s love for Kaneki has been the most obvious and perhaps even truest. Hide has always loved Kaneki for who our protagonist is as an individual, and has accepted all of his flaws and strengths. I love that Hide didn’t need a luxurious reason to protect his dearest friend, because all of his actions are for one solid emotion: love. Hid even asked, “Do I need another reason?” xD <33 Even now, I really respect Hide’s patience and persistence with Kaneki. I love that Hide is proactive, instead of passive. I’m happy to see Hide not in his scarecrow mask! It feels even more real to see him, even if we didn’t see the bottom half of his face! :) I’m happy Hide is still able to speak, even if it’s not the same as before… There’s still a lot we have to learn about Kanou. I love that Hide met Amon and Akira, and that Hide’s plan will go into motion! X) Even though Akira and Amon know that Kureo would be unhappy about them helping a ghoul, it’s great that the two of them decided to assist Kaneki anyway. <3 … Now, I want to know why the Washuu were after my Hide! ;______; I hope the Washuu weren’t planning to take his life… Or are theories of Hide being part of the Washuu family correct? …. My heart kind of aches, because Hide was still able to make a light remark, “Wish they made me more handsome, too.” Despite everything that happened, Hide is still able to say something like that, I really wish Kaneki had Hide by his side, throughout the entire series. :’) And I’m glad Hide has never given up on Kaneki. Let’s hope that in 72 hours, Kaneki will be saved!! I really don’t want to see Hide blaming himself… :( Who knows what Hide really went through? I love that at the end, it was Tsukiyama who yelled at all of the ghouls to shut up. I was honestly hoping Touka –as the queen/Kaneki’s wife– would do something, yet she’s still choosing to be passive… Building a café, while hoping that person will return, won’t be useful and won’t happen again… :/ Does Touka plan to live quietly and then give birth, while Kaneki needs help?? But anyway, I love that Tsukiyama is also always watching out for Kaneki. :) Tsukiyama was one of the characters who deeply cared for Kaneki, and I’m happy to say that he still does. Tsukiyama went through immense pain when he lost Kaneki the first time (when Kaneki was Haise), so I doubt he’ll allow the same tragedy to repeat itself… I also don’t want to see Hinami sad, after losing her dear onii-chan. :( … Is Ayato still in the underground city?? Ayato doesn’t even know that Touka and Kaneki are now a couple, or that he’ll be an uncle…. T.T – LOL, I went back to the last page, and just realized that Hori snapped a photo of Tsukiyama’s face when he yelled at everyone to shut up! XD LOL, what will Hori do with that photo?? It was nice to see Nishiki take care of Touka, by placing a coat on her and shielding her with his umbrella. “Your kid’s getting cold too, you know.” :) I miss seeing Nishiki with Kimi… If Nishiki's care for others was how Kimi fell in love with him, I can see it. :) Like others have stated, Itori was really gorgeous this chapter! Itori looks really nice in long hair. :) I don’t know if the Clowns should really be trusted or not, but it’s good that Uta and Itori looked out for Yomo. <3 Although, I’m not fond of Itori placing her ideology onto the ghouls… It is normal for Clowns to watch, but should the ghouls really do that to Kaneki again? Losing Kaneki after the Anteiku Raid and having him become Haise, should already be a lesson. :/ That first page, especially, had me squealing… T___T “Mr. Shinohara…once everything ends, you’ll definitely…” I love that Suzuya’s monologue always includes Shinohara, who really took care of him as a son. I really hope that one day, Shinohara would wake up; I want to see Suzuya and Shinohara happily unite. <33 Shinohara would be so proud to see how much Suzuya has grown. ^^ – But omg, it was scary when Suzuya fell…. Thank goodness Mizurou caught my baby’s hand. </3 I would be devastated if Suzuya died ;______; It’s sad that even though Suzuya was bandaged, and should have rested, he still felt responsible for not killing Kaneki… Deep down, Suzuya doesn’t want to kill Haise :’( Thank you ; w ; I'm glad someone finally get that Hide's unconditional love is beautiful, regardless it's nature. The way he says it like, it's the most natural and obvious thing in the world, him loving Kaneki. Even with the severity of the situation, Hide being Hide is the best thing out of the whole chapter. He still got that sunshine personality of him. He's always been there with Kaneki since forever. He saved Kaneki multiple times, even before Kaneki involved in the ghoul crap. He let Kaneki avoided him and didn't confront him because he knows Kaneki needs it. Instead, he went ahead and support Kaneki some other way. He infiltrated CCG and freaking stalked a dangerous ghoul for Kaneki. He let Kaneki eat his face. He went to the Auction House and Rue Island. We suspected maybe he got some ulterior motives or fishy things with ghouls. While in truth, in this chapter, we learned that he did all that for Kaneki. It never changed. Even after he lost half his face, and no longer able to speak, he still watch after Kaneki and worried about him, went out of his way to make sure Kaneki is safe. He even blamed himself for this Kenzilla crap and at that point I just. Damn it Hide stop it you give and give and give... I can't. ; w ; Now Toukens, right now felt VERY insecure by this development. What a laugh. AS IF Hide will let Kaneki dump his wife and child IF he did loves Hide back in that way. Even IF Hide's love is romantic, I don't see him interrupt Touken, he places Kaneki's safety and happiness above all else remember? Even if Kaneki loves Hide back but not in romantic way, Hide will still happily accept that. It's what he's been doing all his life. He's been pretty supportive of him and Rize back then too. I just... can't to people who denied Hide's love. Platonic or romantic doesn't matter. It's obviously love. Yeah... Hide is the only one with an actual plan to save Kaneki right now. He is pretty determined too. He was targetted by the Washuus because he knows their secrets... I wonder what other connection he got with the Washuus. I'm really glad to see Akira and Amon too. where is Seidou tho Indeed, Itori is so pretty here! Really good to see her again! IKR. I'll be devastated too if Suzuya died... Really looking forward to next chapter like never before!!!!!!! Hide's unconditional love for Kaneki has always been beautiful. <33 I don't think it's extremely important to categorize what kind of love Hide has for Kaneki either. – Can't the fact that Hide loves Kaneki, be enough? People could say Hide loves Kaneki as his dearest friend, as a brother (family), as his soulmate, as a potential lover.... I don't think it really matters what Hide's feelings are labeled as. I'm just happy that Hide genuinely loves Kaneki, from the bottom of his heart. Hide's love really doesn't have to take place in the form of, "Hey, we view each other positively. Want to have sex?" for example, to prove himself. Hide's love is a, "I want you to be well. No matter what happens, I'm by your side. I'll never push you, but I will watch over you." Unconditional love is honestly wanting that person to be well, without demanding benefits for yourself. As we can see, Hide lived as Scarecrow for many chapters (e.g. imagine the friends and years of education Hide abandoned...), and even after the bottom half of his face has been –presumably– eaten by Kaneki, Hide's love for our protagonist only continued, and probably strengthened. For Hide to do everything he's done...he was motivated by his love for Kaneki. Hide's answer, "Because I love him," to Amon's question as to why Hide is doing so much for Kaneki, was a very simple and unique answer. – It's common for people to have a motive, like the Clowns who want to have the last laugh, or for Kanou who wants medical/scientific development. Hide's sincere love for Kaneki is just too touching, I don't know how people could ever fail to understand him. ;_____; Kaneki is too lucky to have met Hide. <33 I hope that when Hide and Kaneki meet again, Hide could really be that ray of sunshine to our protagonist again. :)) I honestly think Hide is the person Kaneki needs the most: someone who keeps an eye on him, and supports him proactively. Oh? TouKen shippers feel insecure about Hide's development, like him taking action and not Touka? But I thought Hide's love for Kaneki has always been obvious, lol. I have peers who know this series, and they were so confused when they learned that Touka and Kaneki became a couple, because they all had one question: how? People remember Touka beating up Kaneki, getting angry... Perhaps, you can say she was being a tsundere. Although people can argue that Touka worked in the :re cafe for Kaneki's sake, it was also for her own safety: to live quietly, without grabbing the CCG's attention again. I wish Touka continued going to school and eventually pursued her dream of being a teacher... To say such a bold person gave up her dream just to wait for one person? :/ That's not the character I was first introduced to... In your what-if scenario, of Kaneki leaving Touka for Hide... Well, that would be Kaneki's choice. It's really old-fashion to assume that just because parents are separated, co-parenting won't exist, OR that parents must stay together for their child. Divorce or not, I'd leave that for Kaneki to decide. Also, I agree that Hide is not the type of character to third party a couple. If Hide wanted Kaneki to himself as lovers, he could have made his move years ago, lol! XD – LOL, speaking of Rize, I remember Hide telling Kaneki to give up on her, because our protagonist was out of her league! ;P What secrets did Hide know about the Washuus? :O I'm so curious about Hide's connection with the Washuus too! >< Yeah, where is Takizawa..? ;_______; Akira and Amon...if I didn't know, I wouldn't even think they're a romantic couple, lol! Where is my couple-sharing-an-umbrella moment? I want to see a Yomo, Itori, and Uta bonding moment again!! XD How would Yomo's reaction be, knowing that his two friends saved him? Itori and Uta could have easily ignored Yomo, but I love that Uta still saved him, and Itori still had him beside her while he leaned on her. :P I feel sad, knowing that Suzuya is somewhat alone at CCG... ;____; Shinohara is still in the hospital... Not even Arima or Akira are at CCG anymore. Shicchi said: Exactly, let's just see where the story goes from here! So what if Kaneki has a queen? The feelings you have, and the actions you (may) take, are two separate entities. I really don't understand the suggestion that Hide could have said he loves Kaneki subtly, lol. If Hide was subtle about his feelings, I think it would go against his straightforward personality. Hide loves Kaneki, so you're absolutely right that there was no problem saying he does. :)fuka-eri said: Could have used a better (maybe subtle) phrase but there's no problem in Hide saying that he loves Kaneki either. I hate how some fans are over romanticizing things up between those two pals. Cut it out, The King has a queen already. Just because the King already has a queen doesn't mean other character not allowed to have romantic feelings for the King right? O.O I mean Mutsuki has and nobody has a qualm about it. Let's just see how things roll shall we :> |
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Tbh, in Hide's case, "actions speaks louder than words" That's why his confession feels so powerful. The things he's willing to do for Kaneki (as brother, best friend, potential lover, you can interpret it however you want) Just imagine other character (Mutsuki, Touka, Shuu, Hinami) saying that exact same phrase. I don't think it would hold as much impact as Hide's. Not even Touka's who's already had sex + married to Kaneki. Platonic love is not less powerful than romantic. Even when Hide's love ended up as platonic, Hide's love would still be the greatest love in TG and nothing could ever convince me otherwise! Unconditional Love FTW XD that's why I love Rose extermination arc actually. Karren's (and the other servants) love for Shuu is just too beautiful :")) Although people can argue that Touka worked in the :re cafe for Kaneki's sake, it was also for her own safety: to live quietly, without grabbing the CCG's attention again. I wish Touka continued going to school and eventually pursued her dream of being a teacher... To say such a bold person gave up her dream just to wait for one person? :/ That's not the character I was first introduced to... Tbh, I found it a bit weird... I mean, I would easily buy it if Touka has deeper connection with Kaneki prior to that. But Idk maybe it's just me but I never felt any deep connection between the two... At least, not enough for Touka to be willing to let go of her dream and build a cafe "for Kaneki to come home to" instead. If Hide wanted Kaneki to himself as lovers, he could have made his move years ago, lol! XD True true XD Omg you're right about Rize... after the confession... that scene can be interpreted as something else entirely! XD Tbh I would love a chapter focused on Uta/itori/Yomo <3 I hope Suzuya would have a happy ending T~T Hide and Suzuya is my fav characters in tg..... LOL I find it ridiculous (and hilarious XD) that some people thinks that Hide just simply holding romantic feelings for Kaneki SOMEHOW will ruin Touken... I mean, you know, all Hide did was SHOWING UP and stating the obvious and Toukens already feels like their ship is under attack hahaha (and they already had a full chapter of sex scene, a marriage, a baby and THEY STILL FEEL THREATENED) XDDDD |
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TheGeniusBaka said: IF HIDE TURNS OUT TO BE GAY. I will not like it one bit(no homophobe through) I'm pretty sure ishida is trolling and hide meant it as a bro or best friend or the translation was wrong... Don't worry |
| lmao I can't believe some of you guys are triggered because of Hide's words. Take a chill pill, not everything is gonna pander to you specifically. Regardless of whether Hide meant that as a friend or not, gay people exist and they are not mere ''fujo material''. Shut the fuck up. Great chapter, I am glad to see some characters that have been on the sidelines brought back again. Because of this I can't help but feel like Ishida is kinda diminishing the importance of some things. For example, seeing Amon and Akira; Amon had some chapters devoted to him but then he was completely ignored after a very anticlimactic chapter considering the buildup to his reappearance and reunion with Akira. Tsukiyama had a very beautiful arc (Rose Extermination) examining his thoughts and feelings towards Kaneki but then he was reduced to a mere goat member without any scenes. I remember in 2014-2015 reading this manga was mostly about Quinx but now Yonebayashi and Urie are barely shown. Uta, Itori and the clowns were also some important villains but now they're just there. I dunno. Perhaps I might be forgetting stuff since I've been reading this since it started publishing, plus you can't have all the characters on the forefront all the time especially with such a large cast of characters but I feel like Ishida is trying to push Furuta in the center of it all while diminishing the significance of what he had previously written sometimes |
Danae said: lmao I can't believe some of you guys are triggered because of Hide's words. Take a chill pill, not everything is gonna pander to you specifically. Regardless of whether Hide meant that as a friend or not, gay people exist and they are not mere ''fujo material''. Shut the fuck up. Great chapter, I am glad to see some characters that have been on the sidelines brought back again. Because of this I can't help but feel like Ishida is kinda diminishing the importance of some things. For example, seeing Amon and Akira; Amon had some chapters devoted to him but then he was completely ignored after a very anticlimactic chapter considering the buildup to his reappearance and reunion with Akira. Tsukiyama had a very beautiful arc (Rose Extermination) examining his thoughts and feelings towards Kaneki but then he was reduced to a mere goat member without any scenes. I remember in 2014-2015 reading this manga was mostly about Quinx but now Yonebayashi and Urie are barely shown. Uta, Itori and the clowns were also some important villains but now they're just there. I dunno. Perhaps I might be forgetting stuff since I've been reading this since it started publishing, plus you can't have all the characters on the forefront all the time especially with such a large cast of characters but I feel like Ishida is trying to push Furuta in the center of it all while diminishing the significance of what he had previously written sometimes Totally agreed with you... it's almost like Ishida is bad at handling a large cast of characters... But I'll just sit here and see where it's going |
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Shicchi said: OMG your words were so beautiful they actually gave me hope 😭😭💕Baxca said: LOL i agree but honestly i won't be able to take it if anything happens to Hide again.. WE LOST HIM ONCE DON'T MESS W US ISHIDA 🔪😭 Don't worry it's Hide we're talking about. He'd been doing this for who knows how long. He's aware of Touken, and still, he's supportive of Kaneki (unlike a certain Mutsuki). He'd been by his side since forever. He let Kaneki eat his face. He fucking blame himself for all this Kenzilla crap. And he got plans to save Kaneki and he is going to be the one to save Kaneki this time. And any other time. It's always been him if you pay attention :"> |
Danae said: lmao I can't believe some of you guys are triggered because of Hide's words. Take a chill pill, not everything is gonna pander to you specifically. Regardless of whether Hide meant that as a friend or not, gay people exist and they are not mere ''fujo material''. Shut the fuck up. Great chapter, I am glad to see some characters that have been on the sidelines brought back again. Because of this I can't help but feel like Ishida is kinda diminishing the importance of some things. For example, seeing Amon and Akira; Amon had some chapters devoted to him but then he was completely ignored after a very anticlimactic chapter considering the buildup to his reappearance and reunion with Akira. Tsukiyama had a very beautiful arc (Rose Extermination) examining his thoughts and feelings towards Kaneki but then he was reduced to a mere goat member without any scenes. I remember in 2014-2015 reading this manga was mostly about Quinx but now Yonebayashi and Urie are barely shown. Uta, Itori and the clowns were also some important villains but now they're just there. I dunno. Perhaps I might be forgetting stuff since I've been reading this since it started publishing, plus you can't have all the characters on the forefront all the time especially with such a large cast of characters but I feel like Ishida is trying to push Furuta in the center of it all while diminishing the significance of what he had previously written sometimes The problem is that it seems to come out of nowhere, there has been no indication that Hide was gay so far. And fujoshi are the one's who are obsessed Kaneki x Hide, haven't seen many actual gay people saying that. And anyway you are right. TG has way too many characters and Ishida is afraid of killing people off (instead he is even ready to bring them back for no reason like the devil ape and Irimi only to not use them at all). Also pushing Furuta to the center was a horrible decision. His type of character would work best behind the scenes and in a smaller role. I think the villians like Kanou, clowns and V have suffered because of him, he gets all thee screentime even though the others are way more interesting. |
Aardwolf94Nov 9, 2017 12:46 PM
Aardwolf94 said: The problem is that it seems to come out of nowhere, there has been no indication that Hide was gay so far. And fujoshi are the one's who are obsessed Kaneki x Hide, haven't seen many actual gay people saying that. And anyway you are right. TG has way too many characters and Ishida is afraid of killing people off (instead he is even ready to bring them back for no reason like the devil ape and Irimi only to not use them at all). Also pushing Furuta to the center was a horrible decision. His type of character would work best behind the scenes and in a smaller role. I think the villians like Kanou, clowns and V have suffered because of him, he gets all thee screentime even though the others are way more interesting. Honestly, If Hide was a girl and (s)he did everything he's done, then people would be dead sure that she's in love with him. Heteronormativity and expectations play a huge role in how people perceive characters' feelings and dynamics. That being said, I am not even sure if that's what Ishida meant, I was just offering my take, I could definitely misinterpret his intentions, it's his writing after all. I agree that fujoshis are the ones obsessed with the subject, but most people treat every person who has a m/m ship as a fujoshi. And that's a huge generalization because it's implying that people are shipping something just because and not due to how something is written, or even the fact that some women also belong in the lgbt community so they would love some representation. Every MAL forum is about men bashing 'fujoshis', for unfounded reasons, from BNHA's boosed sales to ambiguously romantic scenes being reduced to fanservice according to them. Something is how it is because that's how it was written by the author as he wished to, so these comments about throwing a bone and fanservice are a bit diminishing, both to a few fans and to the written work. That's just how I see it though. Gay people or situations are not fanservice.. I might sound too triggered but that's only because I've grown tired of every thread being about blaming fujoshis (ftr I am not even one) just because the majority of MAL is men that want everything to pander to them. Btw I agree with you on Furuta, but I'm still holding out hope for Kanou and V being in the limelight sometime soon |
Aardwolf94 said: Danae said: lmao I can't believe some of you guys are triggered because of Hide's words. Take a chill pill, not everything is gonna pander to you specifically. Regardless of whether Hide meant that as a friend or not, gay people exist and they are not mere ''fujo material''. Shut the fuck up. Great chapter, I am glad to see some characters that have been on the sidelines brought back again. Because of this I can't help but feel like Ishida is kinda diminishing the importance of some things. For example, seeing Amon and Akira; Amon had some chapters devoted to him but then he was completely ignored after a very anticlimactic chapter considering the buildup to his reappearance and reunion with Akira. Tsukiyama had a very beautiful arc (Rose Extermination) examining his thoughts and feelings towards Kaneki but then he was reduced to a mere goat member without any scenes. I remember in 2014-2015 reading this manga was mostly about Quinx but now Yonebayashi and Urie are barely shown. Uta, Itori and the clowns were also some important villains but now they're just there. I dunno. Perhaps I might be forgetting stuff since I've been reading this since it started publishing, plus you can't have all the characters on the forefront all the time especially with such a large cast of characters but I feel like Ishida is trying to push Furuta in the center of it all while diminishing the significance of what he had previously written sometimes The problem is that it seems to come out of nowhere, there has been no indication that Hide was gay so far. And fujoshi are the one's who are obsessed Kaneki x Hide, haven't seen many actual gay people saying that. And anyway you are right. TG has way too many characters and Ishida is afraid of killing people off (instead he is even ready to bring them back for no reason like the devil ape and Irimi only to not use them at all). Also pushing Furuta to the center was a horrible decision. His type of character would work best behind the scenes and in a smaller role. I think the villians like Kanou, clowns and V have suffered because of him, he gets all thee screentime even though the others are way more interesting. Agreed with the stuff about furuta. He was good as more of a side antagonist, not the main Villian of the damn series. He should not have gotten as much screen time as he did. I want to see more of V and the clowns (specifically Donato and Uta, who imo are much more interesting characters than furuta is) |
Danae said: Aardwolf94 said: The problem is that it seems to come out of nowhere, there has been no indication that Hide was gay so far. And fujoshi are the one's who are obsessed Kaneki x Hide, haven't seen many actual gay people saying that. And anyway you are right. TG has way too many characters and Ishida is afraid of killing people off (instead he is even ready to bring them back for no reason like the devil ape and Irimi only to not use them at all). Also pushing Furuta to the center was a horrible decision. His type of character would work best behind the scenes and in a smaller role. I think the villians like Kanou, clowns and V have suffered because of him, he gets all thee screentime even though the others are way more interesting. Honestly, If Hide was a girl and (s)he did everything he's done, then people would be dead sure that she's in love with him. Heteronormativity and expectations play a huge role in how people perceive characters' feelings and dynamics. That being said, I am not even sure if that's what Ishida meant, I was just offering my take, I could definitely misinterpret his intentions, it's his writing after all. I agree that fujoshis are the ones obsessed with the subject, but most people treat every person who has a m/m ship as a fujoshi. And that's a huge generalization because it's implying that people are shipping something just because and not due to how something is written, or even the fact that some women also belong in the lgbt community so they would love some representation. Every MAL forum is about men bashing 'fujoshis', for unfounded reasons, from BNHA's boosed sales to ambiguously romantic scenes being reduced to fanservice according to them. Something is how it is because that's how it was written by the author as he wished to, so these comments about throwing a bone and fanservice are a bit diminishing, both to a few fans and to the written work. That's just how I see it though. Gay people or situations are not fanservice.. I might sound too triggered but that's only because I've grown tired of every thread being about blaming fujoshis (ftr I am not even one) just because the majority of MAL is men that want everything to pander to them. Btw I agree with you on Furuta, but I'm still holding out hope for Kanou and V being in the limelight sometime soon @Danae Thank you ; w ; You know we won't have any of these arguments if Hide has boobs. I mean, it's okay to hope that Hide's love is just a platonic thing because you're uncomfortable/doesn't like it (just how it's ok for other fans to hope it was romantic). And I would've been fine if it were the case (and many other fellow fujoshi too tbh). But to diminish it as just strictly platonic and refuse to acknowledge any other possibility and blames all romantic implication going around is just all on fujoshi I just??? And to @Aardwolf94 I know you probably don't want to hear this but I found something interesting on tumblr http://cc-alonesnowflake.tumblr.com/post/167313702626/do-you-think-hide-generally-loves-kaneki-or-if-it I'm just gonna highlight some if you don't wanna read TLDR, yeah anyone is allowed to hope as the sentence is pretty ambiguous even for the japanese. Also, you know what aardwolf? In regards to Kaneki and Touka, I think there has been little to no indication they hold romantic feelings for each other prior to :re but then people would still accept them because Touka has boobs so any male suddenly in love with her would be believable and good writing ;D |
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| @Shicchi That's a convincing argument, I still hope its somehow just meant in a bro esque way.. Anyway I don't think Touken was handled that well, Ishida rushed things too much. But its still way better than Hide x Kaneki. I loved their bromance and would hate to see it turn into some sort of cheesy love story, it would be yet another disappointment from this manga. The problem is that people these days can't just let two male characters be great friends. There are always hundreds of crazy shippers, see with Supernatural or even Captain America for western examples. Its rather annoying, thats why people bash fujoshi's. Hide until now didn't really hinted at any sort of romantic feelings but of course since he did a lot for Kaneki he must be in love with him and want to bang him... Also no there were plenty of hints from Touka's side in the second half of the original. If that wasn't romantic it would be weird. |
Aardwolf94Nov 9, 2017 10:13 PM
Aardwolf94 said: @Shicchi That's a convincing argument, I still hope its somehow just meant in a bro esque way.. Anyway I don't think Touken was handled that well, Ishida rushed things too much. But its still way better than Hide x Kaneki. I loved their bromance and would hate to see it turn into some sort of cheesy love story, it would be yet another disappointment from this manga. The problem is that people these days can't just let two male characters be great friends. There are always hundreds of crazy shippers, see with Supernatural or even Captain America for western examples. Its rather annoying, thats why people bash fujoshi's. Hide until now didn't really hinted at any sort of romantic feelings but of course since he did a lot for Kaneki he must be in love with him and want to bang him... Also no there were plenty of hints from Touka's side in the second half of the original. If that wasn't romantic it would be weird. TG is published in magazine for older male, so... yeah. The way I see it, even after I read those conversation on the japanese site, and even though I hope it's romantic, it still can go either way tbh. Like, the possibility is still around 50:50 or something haha. I was already really happy with this chapter it went beyond my wildest dream tbh lol, I'll be satisfied even if it's brotherly love in the end. It's no less powerful :"> and I can always have fanfics Lol that kinda true. Destiel and Stucky shipper here lol But I would also blame them for baiting especially destiel Stucky too tbh, they kind of tease and promote it on their tours/interviews, and they inserted subtle hints that would lost to casual watcher. You'd be surprised Ehh, being in love doesn't equal want to bang him... ultimately yes, but at least that's not the first thing that come to mind especially in regards to hidekane Really? Guess I just missed it then. I just find it a bit baffling that Touka would let go of her dream and make a cafe for Kaneki to come home to when I never sense any deep connection between her and Kaneki for her to be willing to go that far. Maybe I need to reread some :O |
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| Hide saying he loved kaneki felt so real to me.. That was such an nice panel. 10/10 chapter. Mado looked better than Itori tbh, Amon looked like his design digressed to part 1 again lol. Tsukiyama moment again! I've missed much of him since his arc. |
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| I think the emotion behind Hide's words felt strong, but his choice of words left much to be desired for me... I was expecting something more like, "Because he's my best friend for life duh" so reading that he loved him shocked me into the initial conclusion that it was a romantic thing, as I'm sure it did other readers as well, which it clearly wasn't imo (well, obviously can't put it past Ishida lately, but I highly doubt it). I really enjoyed getting to see most of the cast again, and being able to sit in on there engagements with eachother, Tsukiyama at the end especially. Favorite part was Hide, Amon, and Akira discussing their plan to save Kaneki because it shows a clear direction for the story and it got me excited to read again. Also, a few random thoughts, but what if Kaneki becomes human again after being saved and that's where part 3 begins? would that be too cop out? lol these part 3 fan theories are getting out of hand Also, just thought of the reason I didn't like the chapter where Amon and Kaneki finally talk things out. It felt a little forced imo, especially because it took Amon becoming a ghoul himself to FINALLY understand Kaneki's point of view that ghoul's aren't all evil. That felt really cop-out |
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Shicchi said: Hide’s love is truly, “actions speak louder than words.” Hide has demonstrated his love for Kaneki countlessly, that it does not need to be showcased it in other ways, for us to know. I definitely agree that the impact would not be the same, if Touka, Tsukiyama, or Hinami said they love Kaneki…. It would be expected for Touka to love Kaneki, since she’s his wife; Tsukiyama because he suffered immensely when he thought Kaneki died; and Hinami who always saw Kaneki as her loving onii-chan who taught her words and was the same person she went to Cochlea for. I almost forgot to mention Mutsuki…but people would take her phrase as, “Yep, the yandere is talking.” xP I almost feel bad for Mutsuki, since people would not take her "I love Haise sensei" declaration seriously, or sincerely... x"Tbh, in Hide's case, "actions speaks louder than words" That's why his confession feels so powerful. The things he's willing to do for Kaneki (as brother, best friend, potential lover, you can interpret it however you want) Just imagine other character (Mutsuki, Touka, Shuu, Hinami) saying that exact same phrase. I don't think it would hold as much impact as Hide's. Not even Touka's who's already had sex + married to Kaneki. Platonic love is not less powerful than romantic. Even when Hide's love ended up as platonic, Hide's love would still be the greatest love in TG and nothing could ever convince me otherwise! Unconditional Love FTW XD that's why I love Rose extermination arc actually. Karren's (and the other servants) love for Shuu is just too beautiful :")) Although people can argue that Touka worked in the :re cafe for Kaneki's sake, it was also for her own safety: to live quietly, without grabbing the CCG's attention again. I wish Touka continued going to school and eventually pursued her dream of being a teacher... To say such a bold person gave up her dream just to wait for one person? :/ That's not the character I was first introduced to... Tbh, I found it a bit weird... I mean, I would easily buy it if Touka has deeper connection with Kaneki prior to that. But Idk maybe it's just me but I never felt any deep connection between the two... At least, not enough for Touka to be willing to let go of her dream and build a cafe "for Kaneki to come home to" instead. If Hide wanted Kaneki to himself as lovers, he could have made his move years ago, lol! XD True true XD Omg you're right about Rize... after the confession... that scene can be interpreted as something else entirely! XD Tbh I would love a chapter focused on Uta/itori/Yomo <3 I hope Suzuya would have a happy ending T~T Hide and Suzuya is my fav characters in tg..... LOL I find it ridiculous (and hilarious XD) that some people thinks that Hide just simply holding romantic feelings for Kaneki SOMEHOW will ruin Touken... I mean, you know, all Hide did was SHOWING UP and stating the obvious and Toukens already feels like their ship is under attack hahaha (and they already had a full chapter of sex scene, a marriage, a baby and THEY STILL FEEL THREATENED) XDDDD Exactly, platonic love can be very, very strong. Hide’s unconditional love for Kaneki is the most touching to me. The Rose extermination…. It was sad to see Karren jump to rescue Tsukiyama without hesitation, and when she confessed and he knew… ;____; That was just touching and sad! You’re not the only one, I didn’t feel a deep connection between Kaneki and Touka either. I’d believe Rize and Kaneki as a couple, much more than Touka and Kaneki. Why? Although people can assume Rize was fake or pretending to be someone else, because she wanted to eat Kaneki… But they had a connection from not only reading the same novel, but actually loving Sen Takatsuki’s works. Two people can like the same story, or stories written by the same author, but to have a book date with someone and have rich conversations with them… That’s valuable. In a normal context, I can totally picture Rize and Kaneki as friends, if they didn’t become lovers. Touka knew Kaneki as her customer, even before Rize and Kaneki had their date, but there wasn’t a connection then either. – Heck, Touka was walking with Yoriko, when Rize and Kaneki went to the alleyway. I understand that Touka may have been minding her own business, but she definitely sensed and may have known that Rize was about to eat Kaneki, but didn’t do anything, since he would have been just another victim. I think that’s interesting to think about in that way, because Touka was lucky: if Kaneki didn’t live after that accident, they wouldn’t be married today. But then again…if Kaneki didn’t become a ghoul, they wouldn’t be where they are now. Life can be weird, huh? Because if Kaneki stayed as a human, he and Hide would still be together…. X| So, like I mentioned last time about Touka giving up her dream to be a teacher (discontinued her education – did she even graduate from high school??), to open a café for one person to come back to, makes no sense…. Touka still did nothing when Kaneki was Haise. ;______; Did Touka expect Kaneki to come back, while he was living as a detective? Touka could have easily continued to pursue her education, for example, and work at the café part-time or not work at all! In this context, Touka devoted her life to Kaneki, and her life is still centered around him, seeing that he’s an extension of her identity: Touka is alive as Kaneki’s wife and as an expectant mother. Since Kaneki was supposedly Touka’s focus since the beginning of this sequel, how will she carry on if he were to die? Practically, Touka and Kaneki made no baby plans. Let’s hope Touka would have the money to support their child, if Kaneki dies or cannot return to them. Who is Touka as an individual? What are her hobbies, for example? She doesn’t even talk with her best friend Yoriko, and chose not to save her… Touka chose to leave Yoriko to potentially get executed, so Kaneki won’t be put in danger again. Touka chose Kaneki over Yoriko. :/ What happened to the Touka who would run and protect her friends? I understand that Touka learned that ghouls must live, accepting that there will be lossess (as Yomo told her), but that doesn’t mean her fiery nature should completely disappear. It truly felt heartless to me, when Touka left Hinami back when they were fighting with Suzuya – I acknowledge that Touka is not in the ideal state to fight, but she didn’t even say a word before she ran off… What happened to the one-san who avenged Ryouko for Hinami’s sake? So, besides Kaneki and Touka’s relationship not being clearly developed to us, the confusion lies in Touka’s polar opposite characterization this sequel. LOL, maybe Hide wanted Kaneki to himself, which is why he told our protagonist to give up on Rize? xD But nah, I think Hide said that, because he didn’t want Kaneki to be heartbroken, since he expected our protagonist to get rejected. :P I need an extra chapter where Yomo, Itori, and Yomo are together…. ;_____; This trio have a nice dynamic, which I haven’t seen enough of!! My happy ending for Suzuya, would be for him to unite with Shinohara and cry in his arms… Can Shinohara officially adopt Suzuya? – OMG, Hide and Suzuya are also my favourites!! :D The TouKen shippers you described, may be feeling threatened because of Touka and Kaneki’s relationship portrayal. For example, Ishida resorted to an entire chapter dedicated to Touka and Kaneki having sex. But, if Touka and Kaneki already had a solid bond, with excellent communication, would we even need that?? Otherwise, there should not be a surprise, once Touka got pregnant. People did not question when Yoshimura and Ukina had sex, for example, to procreate Eto, so why would we have questioned Touka and Kaneki, if it was already confirmed how they feel and that they're together? We didn’t have an entire chapter dedicated to Hide’s perspective about Kaneki, to know that Hide loves Kaneki the most! Having Touka pregnant, could make Kaneki look bad if he didn’t marry her. – TouKen shippers may have been upset, but also maybe for readers who would not have approved of Touka and Kaneki becoming parents, without being married to each other. Kaneki chose to marry Touka, so I won’t say she forced him, but it is true that Kaneki did not consider marrying Touka prior to her pregnancy. Those two could have developed a dating relationship after they had sex, which may have convinced you and I (and all the other readers who share our view), but since Touka is pregnant, the ‘logical’ approach then was to marry her. (I put quotation marks around the word, logical, since people would have different views on their situation.) Kaneki was happy to have a family at last, seeing that his mother was abusive, he never met his father, and he wasn’t close with his aunt and cousin… + Kaneki has been alone for so long, it makes sense in those ways for him to marry Touka. I’m not saying Kaneki doesn’t love Touka, but none of us saw these two getting married so soon, which was really pushed forward because of the pregnancy. Meanwhile, since Touka has devoted four years of her life to waiting for Kaneki and wanted to have sex asap, it also makes sense for her to agree to the marriage. Overall, Kaneki wanted to be loved by someone, which Touka indicated or confirmed through their conversation at :re. Kaneki also wanted reassurance that he did not grow up with, which marriage provided. Having a wife and child allowed Kaneki to see that he has a family to return to, so he isn't alone like he used to be. Now that they're married, Touka expect(s/ed) Kaneki to stay by her side no more waiting, and the natural assumption was that he would raise their child with her. What did Touka love about Kaneki? When did Touka fall in love with Kaneki? I don't know. So, the way Kaneki and Touka's relationship is, is a win-win situation for both sides. ^Yikes, I spoke about Kaneki and Touka's relationship in terms of benefits. x" This is such a contrast from our discussion about Hide's unconditional love for Kaneki... Kaneki also didn't tell Hide he is a ghoul, as a way of protecting his dear friend. In Root A, Kaneki had the feels cried in relief when Hide revealed he already knew our protagonist is a ghoul.... ;______; How could I not be touched by Hide and Kaneki's strong love?? |
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| Itori is beautiful :3. I still don't understand anything. |
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| I'll just skip over the whole "gay/not gay" part for now (that panel and that phrase made me really happy either way) and just say how blissful it feels to see Hide's face again. Gosh, the boy saves this manga. Saves Kaneki. Saves everything. Tsukiyama was gorgeous. It's time to shine again, my prince! |
| Lol, Tsukiyama scared me! |
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| I didn't see that coming from Hide! That was unexpected but as expected from Ishida, it's overused already. Everyone seems to be in love with Kaneki. Let's just hope Suzuya will not fall for him okay.😏 |
 She got him back. If you understand the characters well enough, you'd know she did! |
| Seriously. What is going on? |
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| Hide back with his voice and also we see Amon and Akira! Itori is hot as usual, manipulating the crowd. Tsukiyama!!! Love that panel |
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