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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Well. That was a gay moment and a half. Mr. 5th child has the hots for Shinji. Creepy. lol This episode should please any Shounen-Ai fans out there I guess >_>;; Interested to see wtf is going to happen now, since Kaora was the last Angel... |
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| I call best episode in the series. |
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| shounen-ai = not friggin cool. i hated this episode, specially since there were so many gay moments. the best part was seeing mr. 5th's head flying down. and poor shinji can't let misato hold his hand... D= asuka next epi... nou, is she deathflagged already? D= |
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| Ok...that was...creepy...i guess. Mr. Last Angel is in love with Shinji. And Shinji accepts his love. No more shounen-ai please. WTB more Asuka |
| Pretty sad episode, especially that long minute where he was about to kill him. |
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| Episode 24 is by far my favourite episode in the series. It's immensely powerful! Those that are using words like "shonen-ai" about this episode really, really don't understand it at all. Labels like that totally cheapen the series and the experience. Shinji was sexually attracted to Kaworu, but this is an important character point not just some fan service shonen-ai ... |
PBz0r said: I call best episode in the series. I call it too :3 <3 |
CitizenGeek said: Episode 24 is by far my favourite episode in the series. It's immensely powerful! Those that are using words like "shonen-ai" about this episode really, really don't understand it at all. Labels like that totally cheapen the series and the experience. Shinji was sexually attracted to Kaworu, but this is an important character point not just some fan service shonen-ai ... Exactly. Shinji had no one else to turn to. Asuka was in the hospital, he couldn't face Rei anymore, nor his classmates... He only had Kaworu to turn to. Kaworu showed him kindness and acceptance. Shounen-ai, my ass..... though I do like the occasional fanart once in a while ^^' |
PBz0r said: I call best episode in the series. Kiefferdenn said: Didn't like this episode.Yeah, you do tht... .... |
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| Lol? I thought NGE was going to turn into a yaoi or something halfway through this episode. That really long pause was weird too, and Asuka wasn't looking so hot in that bed. Next 2 episodes is going to be interesting. |
| Now I know why I never really liked Shinji... Surrounded by all those girls and he does nothing... Now it all makes sense. |
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pyro_metal said: CitizenGeek said: Episode 24 is by far my favourite episode in the series. It's immensely powerful! Those that are using words like "shonen-ai" about this episode really, really don't understand it at all. Labels like that totally cheapen the series and the experience. Shinji was sexually attracted to Kaworu, but this is an important character point not just some fan service shonen-ai ... Exactly. Shinji had no one else to turn to. Asuka was in the hospital, he couldn't face Rei anymore, nor his classmates... He only had Kaworu to turn to. Kaworu showed him kindness and acceptance. Shounen-ai, my ass..... though I do like the occasional fanart once in a while ^^' I agree with most of what you both say, but I'm not fully believing in the part that shinji was sexually attracted to him. I thought that both shared a strong bond. Not in a sexual way but through a sort of close friendship. Kaworu gave shinji someone to be close to that Shinji couldn't with others, so in that way Shinji "loved" Kaworu. At least in how I percieved what was going on through the episode, even though there were some "awkward" parts. It was a pretty strong and good episode. |
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| I'm late to the watching party for NGE, but w/e I don't understand Shinji's concern for that one guy, he met him, like what, 24 hours ago and spent the night at the house? It reminded me of Persona 3 (if you know what I mean), but in P3, the main character hung out with that person for more than 24-48 hours, and that staring contest...nice music but not entirely...needed.... On the plus side, they played the 4th movement to Beethoven's 9th the entire time, and that was awesome. |
| wtf? didn't get this episode at all? kaoru was a fag, ikari had an eye coming out from his hand, and what the fuck is a lilim and a lilith??? can someone explain me this? |
| homo eroticism? |
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| Nice to know we have all these homophobes on MAL. Seriously though, it was a good ep. And the part whereEva 01 was holding Nagisa in his hand was intense. I also thought that Shinji may have been attracted to him in a not so pure way. But, as others have said Asuka is gone, and Misato is distanced from Shinji, so he had no one to turn to. And, as we know by now, Shinji is very dependant on others. So, I think it was fairly natural given his character. I do, however, wish Nagisa was introduced earlier in the series because I don't think this episode had as much impact as it could have had.. But, maybe Rebuild will rectify this. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
| I jumped when Shinji finally killed him after a time of MUSIC (instead of silence, lol). A bit confused with who Kaoru was, he was an angel? But not a bad one? And why did he want to die? Blabla. Wtf is Lilim? Adam is Lilith? Who's Adam? Who's Lilith? |
| Ishida Akira :O That's reason enough for me to like Kaworu xD Wth was that eyehand of Ikari's? Did he call it Yui? o.O Or was he just looking at it and saying something to Yui anyway... Kaworu says all those things to Shinji. Shinji blushes heavily for the first part of the episode, then says 'you betrayed my heart'...I ACTUALLY LIKE IT MORE THAN SHINJI/ANYBODY ELSE. Even though I'm not usually a BL in my anime fan, KaworuxShinji ftw. Yes, I'm serious. I think this was more than just fanservice-y shounen-ai. Shinji needed somebody who would tell him: you're a good person, you're worthy of being loved. That bitch Asuka would never give him what Kaworu could have. I really believe that he could have made Shinji happy. -sniff- Kaworu was adorable, no matter what happened, he smiled in that Ishida Akira-voiced-character way, which is... mmmmm x3 I regret that he was only given that one episode, more background and emphasis on him and Shinji slowly bonding would have made this so much more intense. And maybe establish Kaworu's position as my favourite NGE character, which I'm afraid of calling him after only that one episode even if that's what I feel like. Although...it was still pretty damn intense when Shinji was holding Kaworu in his hand. Oh my God, so sad. :( ...And I just realised that this is the longest post I've made on a NGE episode discussion thread. It's all about Kaworu. Go figure. |
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Rokubungi said: Cero said: Was that moment of nothingness really needed? ;-; Well, the true reason for that long shot was due to the developers not having enough money to produce more animation. So instead of just having the show on hiatus or just canceling it, they decided "fuck it, let's finish the series showing the viewer how we're making up for it". It also explains why that episode was trying to put so much with so little, the quick pace of the episode altogether. Well, fuck it because I think that moment was one of the most tense i've seen in anime. My buddy, who hardly ever watches anime, was on the edge of his seat the entire time. I think that says something, in and of itself. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
tigerz said: Now I know why I never really liked Shinji... Surrounded by all those girls and he does nothing... Now it all makes sense. haha that made me lol. Anyway, seriously this was a great episode, I honestly think it was a great development on part of Shinji, and if you ask me, realistic and deep, well done Gainax. Gripe about some of the last episodes: Gainax tends to make many unnecessary looong scenes of emptyness or repeating the same one over and over to show deep, meaningful or disturbing moments (however it didn't work to well for me), my only complain about these last episodes. insan3soldiern said: Rokubungi said: Cero said: Was that moment of nothingness really needed? ;-; Well, the true reason for that long shot was due to the developers not having enough money to produce more animation. So instead of just having the show on hiatus or just canceling it, they decided "fuck it, let's finish the series showing the viewer how we're making up for it". It also explains why that episode was trying to put so much with so little, the quick pace of the episode altogether. Well, fuck it because I think that moment was one of the most tense i've seen in anime. My buddy, who hardly ever watches anime, was on the edge of his seat the entire time. I think that says something, in and of itself. Yeah it does seem Gainax was running out of budget in these last eps |
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| That was incredibly intense. Best use of the glorious 9th in any show I've seen, sorry Stanley Kubrick. |
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| This episode didn't really make sense. The last angel was also the 5th child. Who also fell in love with Shinji and wanted to die because Shinji made him happy? Weird stuff. |
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Cebola92 said: Sleep in the same bed? Haha XD What a gay moment... Also, I wonder Kaoru was the last Angel... Well technically there was no definite indication of sleeping in the same bed. Shinji was on the floor of Kaoru's room while Kaoru was in his bed. Kaoru offered to sleep on the floor but Shinji refused since it was Kaoru's room. I took this to mean they would swap beds not sleep in the same bed but I suppose there's no definite indication of either. Anyway, I definitely think Kaoru should've had more episodes. I liked this episode but the Kaoru-Shinji relationship seemed a bit rushed. Half an episode was all it was developed in really. And yes, Kaoru was the 5th child AND the 17th angel. Quite understandable really, the angels intelligence had been improving all the way through the series and they finally developed a more direct manner to contact the Eva pilots, evas and enter terminal dogma. What's most disturbing is that he was sent deliberately by Seele who up to now were intent on destroying the angels - or so we thought. The music added great suspense to this episode, I thought it was very dramatic and full of suspense. Oh and for whoever asked - Lilith is the 2nd angel, who is crucified in Terminal Dogma. Kaoru was looking for Adam - the first angel, whose fossel was brought to Ikari by Kaji earlier in the series. Kaoru (like many of the other character) obviously thought that it was Adam who was in terminal dogma and when he discovered it was actually Lilith his plan was hampered somewhat >.< |
| This gets more and more weird... And when Kaworu's head fell off and sunk in water (or whatever liquit it was), I immediately thought about Hidamari Sketch (ie obligatory Yuno's bath and the end of each episode) and laughed. So all the stuff about hiding Adam from angels is bullcrap, coz there was Lilith, not Adam, in Dogma? And also we know now why Commander Ikari wears gloves all the time. BTW, why the Ode to Joy? |
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| Whaat??? Since when did the writers decide that handing the plot over to a 13 year old girl for an episode was a good idea... "ZOMG Lets make a random bishie and maek him fall in loev with SHINJI!!!111oneeleven" Being serious, the character of Kaoru was badly developed and makes a bit of a mockery of a series which has always had good character development. If they had introduced him 3 episodes ago I wouldn't be so annoyed, but they introduced him and got rid of him in the same episode... makes him seem like an unimportant filler character. Besides that it was a great episode even though it just creates more confusing questions about what the hell is going on. |
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| The one character I remotely like gets killed off. Nice. |
| SUDDENLY, YAOI How very homosexual of you. |
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| To those wondering why Kaoru wanted to die, I think it has something to do with him living forever and wanting to end his existence once and for all. Also, there was something about angels becoming one with Adam which I don't get at all and something he did not want, he'd rather die than to have that happen. |
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| Although I missed half of the dialogue of this episode thanks to my computer, this is one of my favourite episodes. I'm disgusted at most of the replies though really. It's debatable whether Shinji was sexually attracted to Kaworu or not...but I remain convinced that he was the only person to show Shinji true affection, so he clung to him. |
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| 2nd half of Evangelion = Mind rape. |
| I also didn't like this episode. Seriously was there any need for that gay angel? And even Shinji said he liked him, WTF?! |
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| You clearly don't understand this show do you? The main purpose of this episode was to show how Shinji realized that the 5th Child was the one person who could understand him for who is his, his first true friend. Kaworu acts "gay" because he is an Angel and they don't understand the meaning of love. Shinji "loves" him(not in a homo-romantic) way because he was the first person who accepted him for who he is and is shocked after realizing that he is the last Angel. |
| This episode. Lol. Okay seriously though I couldn't stop laughing at this episode. Maybe because I didn't understand it so I didn't take it seriously and thus the laughter and ridicule. I don't know what's going on anymore. Fifth child as the Angel? Rei as the Angel? Commander Ikari as the Angel? Wtf lol. I recalled the fifth said that Rei, Gendo and him are pretty much alike. You saying they're all Angels? Also, did Seele just controlled that Angel? They sent the Angel to the NERV's HQ directly. You saying the Angels are all part of their plan? Wow, just wow. I don't understand this. What I did understand was that Shinji might be a homo or a bisexual. He never fell for Asuka or Misato but instead he fell for Nagisa? Lol man just wtf is this. |
| I never knew there were so many homophobes on MAL. |
| Very good episode, although I have yet to watch the directors cut version. Interesting to see what changes they made, and I'm really looking forward to how the movies will do with Kaworu's potential character development. |
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| Holy crap, I think I know what's going on! The son of Adam, another angel, he loves humans, he wants them to live, Shinji(as a human) loves him back, his sacrifice..... it's all coming together. FUCK! |
Dusk252 said: GunDumb90 said: You clearly don't understand this show do you? The main purpose of this episode was to show how Shinji realized that the 5th Child was the one person who could understand him for who is his, his first true friend. Kaworu acts "gay" because he is an Angel and they don't understand the meaning of love. Shinji "loves" him(not in a homo-romantic) way because he was the first person who accepted him for who he is and is shocked after realizing that he is the last Angel. Exactly my thoughts. But about the rest, I'm totally confused. The only thing I got clearly from this episode is that Asuka has a serious depression. So, Kaworu was the last Angel. However, those guys sent him to NERV, though they knew he was an Angel. What are they trying to do? Also, Kaworu said he and Rei were alike. Furthermore, they detected another Angel in Terminal Dogma by the time Rei appeared and then that presence vanished. Is Rei an Angel? What was she doing there anyway? Then we have Commander Ikari's hand. What the hell was that? Is he an Angel? I was proud that I understood pretty much everything on the past few episode even with that huge amount of information that was being given. But now I'm totally lost. I need help in understanding this stuff. I really do. It is pretty much explained in End of Evangelion and gone in depth in the director's cut episodes and covered in the regular eps. but I'll tell you. Feel free to ask me anything else about it or go to evageeks.com |
| First there was amusingly misplaced (or rather strikingly well-placed, in an ironic manner) Handel, and now Beethoven :) Really twisted episode, though that's been established as the norm for quite a while now I guess. Right off the bat, 5th child is homo as hell for Shinji, making for some pretty awkwardly funny scenes. Turns out he's the final Angel and tries to get into Terminal Dogma to unite with Adam, who happens to actually be Lilith (wtf?), the apparent mother of humanity. Really intense staredown at the end, before he's killed. I'm really not sure what to make of all this...so all the Angels have been defeated, so I'm guessing the enemy now is Gendou Ikari, who has some kind of a mutation in his hand? What was the significance of Rei's appearance? Is she also an Angel, like Kaworu seemed to imply? Of course the mindscrewing ensues, I just hope that the writers didn't dig too deep of a hole for themselves. The episode itself was great. 5/5 |
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| What the fuck is with all the gay bashing on here? I thought this was a great episode (not the best of the series, but still fantastic). The scene where he held the fifth child (forgot his name 'kouru' or something) was intense. It was drawn on a little long, but at the end of the scene...i was awestruck. I was glad that Shinji finally made a friend/lover. Someone finally understood him and actually cared about him. I think Shinji was confused by that fact and didn't know how to act based on "Kouru's" actions. Still not sure where this show is headed and I'm fairly confused on is going on with Adam/EVA's/Angels and all the organizations. Hopefully we get some resolution in the last 2 episodes or at least in the movies. |
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