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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Yay, found a Chinese raw. Seems like the movie took place 1 year after the original series. Okabe and his moments were fun to watch. There were some flashbacks/scenes where Okabe reminiscences including scenes of Suzuna. Great stuff though, the Kurisu and Okabe moments were the best in this imo especially during their story talk. The OST fits perfectly. The Mayuri moments were great too: http://i.imgur.com/Go7vldr.png For Kurisu fans, there's also cool poses like this: http://i.imgur.com/xh9E4pZ.png. They should of kissed at the end there though . Pfft. At least they did so here: http://i.imgur.com/vbK9Pob.png The kiss felt a bit short... imo (at least compared to episode 22 of S;G anyways) but the feelings of the bus stop scene was decent. 9/10. 89 minutes. This was worth the time. |
Stark700Sep 23, 2013 7:04 PM
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| Okarin has too many info. (memories of the alternative time from TV series) for too long that he's been remembering and seeing illusions. His existence became somehow unstable, and Kurisu started the journey to save him which led by the future girl. Though he doesn't want her to experience the pain of what he's done in TV series. At first she accepted his request to forget about him like the others, but she somehow brought him back with the kiss to young Okarin. Interesting, everyone remembers him in their subconscious but not their memories... "Deja vu" |
I ♥ Two Syaorans from Tsubasa RESERVoir CHRoNiCLE and TRC!!! |
| Well that was fun, very relaxing to watch right after a test |
| Who cares what everyone saying? Oh wait... Who is hating it? SwiftKilla said: Why is everyone hating it!!!! I dun get it!!! I'm been playing visual novel, love the anime & love the manga. This movie is great!! It was funny to watch Kurisu copy Okabe chunnibyou style, though I feel like I want more of this anime. Drunking Kurisu = Lovely. xD I will rewatch it again on a better quality. English subs will not come until the blu ray & dvd release. OR 204(Timemachine) = Okabe Rintarou |
Nothing ventured, nothing gained (Girls und Panzer der Film ) / from Nishizumi Miho |
Blackbird said: Who is hating it? That was my thought as well when I read this comment. SwiftKilla said: Why is everyone hating it!!!! I dun get it!!! |
I ♥ Two Syaorans from Tsubasa RESERVoir CHRoNiCLE and TRC!!! |
| They actually add a bit on Amane route and psycho Nae but they didn't explain much outside of VN. O_o |
Nothing ventured, nothing gained (Girls und Panzer der Film ) / from Nishizumi Miho |
| Great Movie, it just felt too short and I wanted it to be longer, not as good as the TV series though but still pretty decent. I just can't get enough of Steins; gate. |
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| Prepare for feels.. In overall it was good movie |
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| While it's nowhere near the series itself, still was a good movie and fun to watch. Many hints given to complete the puzzle, it's like they're reading the forums lol. I wanna hear more about the plot holes, it's been long time since I completed the series. |
Ravid25 said: http://i.imgur.com/vbK9Pob.png Was this the first kiss that Okabe referred to in the series? I'm really curious about this as well and I REALLY hope it is. |
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| Im glad all of you can understand Japanese and don't have to wait until the 13th of December to watch this. |
| Welp I didn't expect to cry as much as I did. |
| I really thought for awhile there that we wouldn't get Okaru back but Kurisu got over her hesitation and got him back. Good going and don't you dare give him back that kiss, in fact I insist you take many more! 9/10 |
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AuronPond said: Have to say, it lives up to the series. The only major problem was trying to figure out the scientific explanation behind Kyouma phasing in and out of existence. I actually figured it out while typing this very post. The Stein's Gate world line is one that cannot logically exist the way that it does. There are a number of reasons that its existence should be theoretically and logically impossible. -The first is the expansion of the team. In this world, it should've only remained as Okabe, Daru and Mayuri. -The second is the general meeting and romance of Christina/Kyouma. They were never supposed to know each other. -The third is the invention of the time machine itself. This is actually the biggest of inconsistencies. Because this time machine was actually created by Kurisu. Originally, she never had a hand in creating the time machine in the future. Now, these three things should not be possible in the Steins;Gate world line for a number of reasons, obviously. Therefore, the timeline is unstable. In an attempt to protect itself, the timeline seeks to eliminate the one thing that causes this problem, this unstable foundation. I know what you're thinking, Hououin Kyouma, right? Wrong. As we see, the idea of Hououin Kyouma has to exist in order for this world line to exist itself. Without Hououin Kyouma, nothing starts the branches of world lines leading to this very one. I'll explain in a moment if you're still confused. No, the problem causing this lack of stability is the Reading Steiner. The Reading Steiner allows a person to travel through time with their memories in tact. For a moment, let's say Okabe never had the Reading Steiner. He wouldn't have noticed the very first leap. He wouldn't have noticed that the phone microwave sent D-mail and thus, they wouldn't have hacked SERN. Or, say that he conveniently lost it once he shifted to Steins;Gate world line. He wouldn't remember a thing. He wouldn't go out of his way to make everyone a member, he wouldn't have ever run into Kurisu again, he would never know anything about a time machine. The Reading Steiner is a contradiction to the world line where nothing went wrong. Thus, the person that has the Reading Steiner, the person who has seen a thousand world lines, is the reason that the Steins;Gate world line is unstable. So, the world line removes the inconsistency of the Reading Steiner by removing the person who has it, Okabe Rintaro, from existence. HOWEVER, it can't remove the influence of Hououin Kyouma, as that would create a contradictory paradox. It would make things that happened nonsensical and thus, the world line would be even more unstable than it was with the Reading Steiner in it. Imagine for a brief moment what would happen if you remove Okabe. I mean REALLY remove Okabe. Mayuri loses the will to live. Mayuri and Daru never meet. Kurisu never meets either of them. Ferris never meets Mayuri. None of them ever meet Braun. Braun follows a different path of either going broke faster or getting a tenant who keeps him afloat. However, also, Kurisu dies, her father comes up with the time machine idea and gets away, SERN discovers it all and thus, the alpha world line comes back into play. Thus, no matter how you spin it, a Steins;Gate world line without Okabe is 100% impossible and thus a contradictory paradox. So, Steins;Gate eliminates Reading Steiner and the person who holds it from existence, but it does not eliminate the presence of that person. Thus, the reason for all of their connections to each other. Because of that, this world line quite literally gives Okabe the option to remain in the world. But, due to his Reading Steiner, it is also trying to remove him at that same time. Okabe is much more satisfied with letting everyone live a normal life without him than he would be bringing up the memories of other worlds. Hence, in the moment where Kurisu starts to remember another world line, he disappears for good. Subconsciously, Okabe has made the choice to deny himself Steins;Gate for the good of everyone else. In the end, it was his influence that brings him back to the world line. The very influence of Hououin Kyouma is what created Steins;Gate. It is that very same reason that Kurisu had to tell young Okabe the story of Hououin Kyouma. It's to create a paradox that brings her to him and at the same time, create the very attachment that brings the birth of Steins;Gate. Because of this, Okabe no longer feels the loneliness of experiencing different worlds all his own. Okabe remembers the biggest event of his life. Okabe seeks comfort in knowing his friends would go this far for him and feels he should remain in the Steins;Gate world line. *exhale* That said, this movie is pretty damn romantic. Thank you for this, it helped clarify things immensely when I got a bit lost. |
| Good movie. Now Christina has the ability of Reading Steiner now like Okarin. She didn't want to lose him. Everyone forgot about him except her. I'm surprise that John Titor came again. I was disappointed that they didn't show future Christina after the present her saw younger him to die. Like Okarin did what he killed her and John Titor showed a video of future him. They didn't do the same :(. The ending ended off like the final episode of the anime. But this time it's on the street. 9.5/10 |
LightBladeNova said: It makes me sad to know that still hardly anyone knows what a visual novel is, even in the anime community. |
| I got kind of confused towards the end, but it was a good film. I'll prolly read other's comments and (if i have time) rewatch the film again to further understand how she saved him. |
You can just be yourself. Do things your own way, one step at a time. You'll get there. Just be yourself, you'll be fine." ~Fruit Basket |
Ravid25 said: http://i.imgur.com/vbK9Pob.png Was this the first kiss that Okabe referred to in the series? Yeah, Okarin made it like a joke. Since "Christina" went back in time and gave him that kiss. I guess nullifying his instability in the Steins' Gate World Line. He remembers the kiss 7 years ago from a Hot red head at the station. and "wanted the kiss back." The meter of cuteness in itself is crazy. >.< |
| "Guys are simple creatures. Just by talking to them, they get the wrong idea." - Hachiman Hikigaya |
| That was FAPtastic. Feels like watching the original S;G series. I almost got chills at the end. Goosebumps all over the movie. AGAIN, EL. PSY. CONGROO. Okabe x Kurisu FOR EVER. This is the choice of Steins;Gate. Damn. Those Feels. 9/10 |
AuronPond said: Have to say, it lives up to the series. The only major problem was trying to figure out the scientific explanation behind Kyouma phasing in and out of existence. I actually figured it out while typing this very post. ..... That said, this movie is pretty damn romantic. Props to you for the solid theory you've brought up, but I'm not sure if you've gotten it right. I'll point out a couple of things that don't make complete sense. Firstly: Reading Steiner. I'm assuming you've played the VN, so you should know (and it has also already been stated in another post) that Reading Steiner supposedly exists in every person, in varying proportions. I suspect that "Déjà vu", in the context of this story, is actually Reading Steiner in a more fundamental form. Or rather, Reading Steiner is a more complex, developed variant of the Déjà vu that exists in the average human being, since Okabe seems to be the anomaly in a world where people are only able to retain fragments of information from other world lines. So we can't really consider Reading Steiner as the cause of the instability. Unless, of course, the ability itself were to be wiped out completely, in which case would mean that no one in the S;G world line would have any memory of any one of the events that take place in other world lines because none of them would have the ability to obtain such information. Secondly: Steins;Gate being unable to exist because of certain factors. I'll refer to the three points you've made. - The future experiments lab, along with all its members, can exist without the events prior to Okabe's shift to the S;G world line. Their being isn't a result of the construction of the time machine. They exist as entities moving through the present in each time line, whether the time machine is built or not. Just as there is a convergent point in the Alpha world line where Mayuri inevitably has to die, there should supposedly be a convergent point where all the characters of this story must inevitably meet and interact. Put another way, "fate" had already dictated that all lab members would congregate regardless of the events they encountered prior to their meeting. - Just because it's impossible for them to have known each other before, it doesn't mean that Makise and Okabe can never meet in a point in future. The events that happened make it possible for them to meet again because it fulfills the criteria of having an "unknowing" Okabe witnessing a "dead" Makise in a pool of blood, and believing that she is now dead. So he should supposedly have been pleasantly shocked to see Makise risen from the grave and roaming the streets of Akiba. This is what has been dictated as the S;G world line. But we do know that he went through the big loop of traversing through time and doing stuff, eventually reaching the point where he sets up the scene for his previous unknowing self to go through the the big loop of events which he had just been through. So in fact, the Okabe that now knows the truth (that Makise is alive), replaces the Okabe that has never seen Makise in any other circumstance before other than being dead in a pool of blood. From this point, Okabe can then move about in the S;G world line to meet Makise, and he would know her even if she didn't know him. - The invention of the time machine in the S;G world line, along with the appearance of Amane Suzuha, is another anomaly in this movie. From what we know, the S;G world line is one where the time machine is never built, because Okabe would never have to built one in order to save Mayuri. Since this is supposedly so, it is impossible for Amane to travel back in time to meet Makise. We can confirm this from the scene in the last episode of the series, when the existence of Amane as a time traveler disappears due to the alteration of events that led to the time machine never being built. Had the event of the invention of the time machine in the S;G world line still occurred, Amane would not have disappeared, and instead would have returned to the point in time where Okabe had traveled back to. Simply put, the invention of the time machine shouldn't have been possible not because of any circumstances involving Makise, but because it simply doesn't make sense. It would be as if the time machine magically appeared some time in the future. On to your point about Okabe never having had Reading Steiner: In such a scenario, Okabe would never even have understood the idea of a S;G world line existing, let alone reaching it, thus making Reading Steiner a prerequisite for him to reach S;G. As for him conveniently losing the ability upon reaching S;G, if we supposed that such a phenomenon were possible, then shouldn't the problem of having his existence in the S;G world line disappearing be solved? Anyway, Reading Steiner was something that existed in Okabe's life since childhood. It was stated before, in one of the earlier episodes. I don't think the existence of Reading Steiner is based on the occurrence of "wrong" events. About the presence of Okabe not being removed... Eh... So what, like a ghost? It did seem something along those lines for me throughout the movie, or if you've seen Clannad, the presence of Fuko in school even though she was in a coma. Nothing wrong with an explanation like that, but it doesn't quite fit the theme of the series because it intrudes the boundaries of the supernatural. But I think you've got the motive of whoever wrote the storyline for this quite clearly. It did seem like Okabe had lost the will to live with the memories of repeatedly seeing his loved ones die being yet again repeated over and over in his head (post-traumatic stress disorder?), and somehow Makise had done something to give him new strength to live on. That said, it doesn't explain how it stabilized his existence in S;G. It didn't remove his Reading Steiner ability, and all we saw was that Makise traveled back in time to meet Okabe as an adolescent. But what does that change? We already know that trying to change the past doesn't change the future (as seen from Okabe trying to prevent Mayuri's death), and if a change is observed, it means that there must have been a shift in world lines. But somehow in this movie, a change in the past affected the future without moving world lines. I'm not getting something here, and I suspect it's because of a couple of flaws that the producers overlooked. But I'm gonna continue figuring out if I'm the one who got things wrong. Anyway... tl;dr - Nice try at trying to sort out the confusion, but I don't think it's right, and I think the producers messed up somewhere. Not saying that it was a bad movie. Just one that doesn't make a lot of sense. And yes, it was quite romantic (a little awkward at times). |
| I have to say, I shed some tears while watching this movie. Don't get me wrong it was a GOOD movie, I was on the edge of my seat almost the entire time. Also, I loved the romance between Kurisu and Okabe. Their relationship was very touching and I have been rooting for them to get together since I watched Steins; Gate... That being said, I cannot say that this movie was on par with the rest of the series. That's just because the original series and the OVA were that good. I think if they could have scientifically explained things a bit more on how Okabe managed to return to the Steins; Gate world line I would have enjoyed it more. I was able to comprehend the ending of the anime, but this seemed a bit too far-fetched for me to (at least in the S;G world) realistically believe. I guess Kurisu going back in time and talking to Okabe as a kid altered his R World line. I would have loved some more explanations on how the ending came to be, but overall I felt it was a great addition to the series and any Steins; Gate fan would love it just as I did. I am now going to unravel my brain for the next few days about time travel, world lines, and deja vu, and rewatch the movie once or twice to try and get a better explanation. I also thought the animation and OST were not as good as the usual, but then again you can't always expect something perfect. I did love the romance though and it's about damn time the tsundere came out of her shell and I love her even more now! EDIT: It seems to me, through Deja Vu(Kurisu doing things only Okabe would do) she helped everyone remember Okabe and achieve the time leap to the world line where Okabe still exists. It seems highly unrealistic that Deja Vu can have that big of an impact on a world line, but I think that is what we are supposed to believe. |
BlareyDec 1, 2013 5:14 AM
| I liked the movie, but I was expecting a bit more romance as well mostly at the end. I did like the stairs scene where Okarin and Kurisu were Kirisu was being all lovey dovey, so cute. I was kind of expecting Kirisu to go back in time more, but I think she figured a way to bring Okabe back. Okabe always had the attitude to always shield his emotions, and keep painful memories to himself. So when Kirusu told that story of Okabe the young Okabe was influenced to do the same, protect Mayuri, and not let anything happen to her. Young Okabe said it was a sad story, but Kirisu said it was a nice story because Okabe always looked out for his friends, he protected them because he cared about them. Once Kirisu goes back and sees present Okabe back she tells him he no longer has to experience painful or sad things by himself. That he has his friends and herself to always stay by his side and together Okabe and friends can share memories, and help each other out in the good and bad times. |
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| Didn't know what to expect as for the first time we went outside the VN script, but I found it quite satisfactory. Lots of adorable Okarin x Kurisu moments and a pretty touching story in general. Naturally it's got nothing on the tv-series but I don't think anyone would expect that much of it, but for what was theoretically possible it was a good as it could have been imo. |
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| I definitely want more steins;gate,honestly the anime is too good. I mean,i really cant get enough Makise,and i need to also see a SERN storyline,Okabe+company+Suzuha overthrow SERN after it successfully takes over the world? fuck yes |
Taimanin_IreliaDec 1, 2013 2:32 PM
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| didn't really understand the movie and how okabe's existence was becoming unstable : maybe it was because of the poopy subs loved the typical awkward romance between kirsu and okabe tho maybe I'll give it a rewatch when some better subs come out. Honestly I was really reluctant to watch a cam quality recording of the movie / super flash subbing but i couldn't resist :\ |
| Movie needs another 30 minutes imo. While it did close some plot holes the movie made some more holes in their place. |
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FrozenRemains said: I definitely want more steins;gate,honestly the anime is too good. I mean,i really cant get enough Makise,and i need to also see a SERN storyline,Okabe+company+Suzuha overthrow SERN after it successfully takes over the world? fuck yes A future world with a SERN storyline would be freaking awesome! |
| Feels were delivered, but the version I saw had some real shitty subs, so I couldn't completely grasp a thing or two... Still time very well spent, 9/10 |
 I don't watch as much anime as before... |
| Been awhile since I saw the TV series, but I'm sure him running back to Mayushi and telling her "you are my hostage" happened. So it was caused by Kurisu? Along with Rintarou calling himself Hououin Kyouma? AND stealing his first kiss? Awesome! |
| rly liked it. i was touched. it just felt a little short but it was overall a good connection to the series |
| My favorite quotes from animes: Those who seek miracles will never experience one. The hand of salvation only extends to people who try to make miracles happen. - Ef a tale of melodies. I destroy worlds. I create worlds. - Code geass We are humans. - Shinsekai yori 100 push-ups, 100 sit-ups, 100 squats, and a 10km run EVERY SINGLE DAY!!! - One punch man |
Tengoku_no_hakai said: Been awhile since I saw the TV series, but I'm sure him running back to Mayushi and telling her "you are my hostage" happened. So it was caused by Kurisu? Along with Rintarou calling himself Hououin Kyouma? AND stealing his first kiss? Awesome! I dont think thats why events in TV series happened as it would create a time paradox,trying to change the past doesnt affect future as we have seen. Remember that in the world line Makise was,Okabe wasnt even supposed to exist she just implanted a new memory in the new world line so he would accept his existence. |
Taimanin_IreliaDec 1, 2013 4:49 PM
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| Definitely one of the most amazing anime I've watched so far. 10/10 |
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funicode said: 2. If Suzuha didn't give the hints to Kurisu in the hotel, Kurisu would have forgotten about Okabe, and she would have no reason to build the time machine, and the future Suzuha would not travel to deliver the hints to Kurisu. I think we can assume that in the S;G future Suzuha came from, Kurisu remembered him without any help through continued deja vu, it just took her longer. Suzuha clueing her in sooner was probably just important in that she could then time leap to a point where Okabe was still there and get an understanding of his mental state. This way she could come up with the best solution with the help of her future self's message from Suzuha. Another question brought to my attention was: with the resolution and subsequent "revival" of Okabe's existence in the Steins;Gate worldline, the need for Kurisu to build a time machine and for Suzuha to go back and help her disappears, upsetting the chain of events leading Okabe back into existence, right? I just don't see why it's necessary to maintain this chain of events like with tricking Okabe 1, or with instances like John Smith or Kyon 2 in Haruhi. Would they have had to move into a new world line in order to not have to maintain the chain of events? Or would Okabe's current existence serve as the "repairing" of the Steins;Gate world line, negating any need for the upholding the chain of events to 'fix' it? |
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