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00Bubbles00 said: skudoops said: 00Bubbles00 said: If Ledo wasn't dumb as bricks, then maybe he could of convinced Ridget and others that the whale squids are a threat. All he does is ramble on about how they are bad and need to be killed, nothing beyond that. Chamber could probably give better arguements. However I don't expect Ledo to be very capable... he was bred just to push buttons inside chamber and nothing else. Funny how writers didn't make Bevel ask him some more questions about civilization in space and war with Hideaze. It would of been good for backstory. He probably doesn't know anything beyond that. I mean, judging from his conversations about them, what does he know about the hideauze other than they are a threat? Yes very likely. An ignorant hero is almost as bad as an amnesiac hero. It would be nice if Chamber gave a history lesson... like how long have they been fighting the hideaze and what the death toll on humanity has been. Frankly I am not even sure there IS anything more to know about it apart from propaganda. I mean, Alliance does not even HAVE the concept of "co-existence" and considering its an authoritarian military state, most likely 99% of stuff you can learn would be propaganda. |
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AlexGK said: PoeticJustice said: But let us look at the story that is supposed to be told here. It is not about the Gargantia, it is about a young boy who only knew war. He comes to a foreign planet and learns what it means to be "human." This is not Battleship. And besides, Ridget will have many people help her along the way, who else was the Commander supposed to nominate? Almost all of her shipmates are old as hell anyway. Fine, call it wrong setting for that kind of story then. Icebreaker93 said: SAO is sh1t compared to this. Well, lets say its just me then. Actually, I take that back now that I see the episode ratings. Its not just me then. I stand on my opinion - Greatest letdown in recent years, worse than SAO. And there was a time I didn't think anything could fail harder than SAO. 1st time for everything. There is still hope though - 4 episodes are still ahead. That and the fact that SAO was that overhyped fail. |
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00Bubbles00 said: Funny how writers didn't make Bevel ask him some more questions about civilization in space and war with Hideaze. It would of been good for backstory. Yeah! Because forced exposition is AMAZING storytelling... always a good choice... On the topic of the episode: Very well done. It was sad and mournful, but not melodramatic (tears from teenagers and mourning daughters are understandable), and also showed the development of Ledo. He is no longer only fighting just because it's his mission, he's beginning to formulate coherent reasons for his fight: he wants to protect Amy and humanity. He also shows a rebelliousness toward the Alliance propaganda when he tells Bevel that he doesn't want the utilitarian mentality to take over Gargantia. I thought the Ridget parts were well done if you understand the reasoning behind it. She is coming to terms with being a leader, and part of that was letting go of both her father-figure and letting the ships go without making a scene or causing a fuss. It did well at showcasing the more democratic side of Gargantia and was semi-realistic in the problems a young, brand new leader would face after the death of a long-time, respected leader and mentor/father figure. Amy also showed maturity near the end by not whining at Ledo as he said good-bye. People can call it boring, but I prefer story-telling that isn't afraid to take it's time and to really highlight the personal aspect of characterization. Action is all well and good, but it should ALWAYS take a back seat to good, solid story-telling. Further, this was the point of all the "boring" episodes beforehand: to introduce the humanization of Ledo and to highlight the emotions of the other characters. I don't think we were supposed to cry at the death of the Commander, or at Ledo leaving; we were just supposed to understand the feelings of the people involved, understand why Ridget is so emotionally affected, why Amy is crying, and why it means a lot that Ledo is actually THINKING about something other than his mission. The fact that Ledo discusses his younger brother with Bevel means that he's actually thought about it, and has to some degree been hurt by the memory. He is already showing cracks in his robot-soldier facade. Most shows would have skipped the character building and used the classic mistake of assuming that Tell is as good as Show in storytelling. It takes a certain kind of courage to slow down and really work at building the character in a realistic way: no huge space battles, no pseudo-intellectual rants, no over-blown action scenes to give cheap drama and exposition; just simple every day life. People in this anime have conversations they would realistically have. They do things they would realistically do. They make mistakes, they don't communicate, they doubt themselves and others, and they don't spend hours talking about shit. They work, they play, they live, they eat, they love, they lose, they grow, and when they die, they just die. No huge fanfare; no ten-minute speeches, just a peaceful death and a funeral and everyone else picking up the pieces and trying to move on. Well, haters gonna hate; armchair critics gonna expect bad tropes and worse techniques and be disappointed when they don't get them. What're ya gonna do? You can lead horses to water, but you can't make 'em drink. On a side note: Pinion dies next. Heroic sacrifice to teach Ledo the true meaning of loss and finalize his understanding of the depth of human interaction. |
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PoeticJustice said: Spiegelmeister said: Crazy theory here, but bear with me. Don't mind me :) *whistles nonchalantly* One can only hope.... You're rooting for a plot development like this, and yet two comments ago you were blaming others for not taking this as a SoL show? Seems like some of the anti-haters here are just jumping on the bandwagon. Slow episode was slow. Clash between setting and intended message from the story is evident. Emotional developments were loosely constructed. And not only was it slow, Ledo was barely present in any of it. With four episodes left, I see little potential for a satisfactory conclusion. Ledo's realization that he cannot return to the Alliance was really expected at this stage, although I now question why they didn't do this earlier. I suppose it is because Ledo's affair with the whalesquids is the last remaining vestige of his identity as a member of the Alliance, that he must deal with before becoming a permanent citizen of Earth. What is he going to do after he manages to kill all the whalesquids? Going with Gen's intended theme about finding a place in society, would it perhaps make sense if what they discover renders the Alliance's struggle against the Hideauze meaningless, or simply no longer relevant to his situation? I can't imagine otherwise. If so, that would make this a pretty weak series in terms of story and conveying of the central message. |
morrownight said: What is he going to do after he manages to kill all the whalesquids? Going with Gen's intended theme about finding a place in society, would it perhaps make sense if what they discover renders the Alliance's struggle against the Hideauze meaningless, or simply no longer relevant to his situation? I can't imagine otherwise. If so, that would make this a pretty weak series in terms of story and conveying of the central message. I doubt he will kill all the whale-squids, or even come close to doing so. And I further doubt that the Alliance's struggle will be rendered meaningless or irrelevant. It will probably be more along the lines of showing him that the Alliance is responsible for the struggle in the first place, and that the Hideauze were never the aggressors. That the continuation of utilitarianism and totalitarianism of the Alliance was ultimately the cause and the goal of the struggle. The shattering of his world-view and his purpose for existing. Thus with the death of his old self and purpose, a new self and purpose can emerge. It's been a character story all along, with overarching messages of hope and rebirth and experiencing new worlds and new things. I fail to see how even your scenario would go against any of that... |
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StopDropAndBowl said: Most shows would have skipped the character building and used the classic mistake of assuming that Tell is as good as Show in storytelling. It takes a certain kind of courage to slow down and really work at building the character in a realistic way: no huge space battles, no pseudo-intellectual rants, no over-blown action scenes to give cheap drama and exposition; just simple every day life. People in this anime have conversations they would realistically have. They do things they would realistically do. They make mistakes, they don't communicate, they doubt themselves and others, and they don't spend hours talking about shit. They work, they play, they live, they eat, they love, they lose, they grow, and when they die, they just die. No huge fanfare; no ten-minute speeches, just a peaceful death and a funeral and everyone else picking up the pieces and trying to move on. On a side note: Pinion dies next. Heroic sacrifice to teach Ledo the true meaning of loss and finalize his understanding of the depth of human interaction. I basically liked everything you said :D It's like what someone said earlier on, that the emotions felt very organic. I think this anime captures the slice of life feel better than most anime that are meant to be just slice of life. Not to mention, I think they do a great job in terms of world building through these slice of life moments, and the bgm really helps a lot with the tone. But back to the realistic part. I also thought that the funeral scene was done very well because, thank goodness, we don't hear anyone wailing (not that it's not realistic but it can be too dramatic). This anime definitely is different because it "shows" and not "tells." It's quite a refreshing take, but it's too bad not everyone will appreciate or understand it. But what's that you say? Pinion will die next? o_o I can actually see that happening, it would be the best trigger for Ledo to really get out of his soldier mentality/his perspective on everything. |
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Num1dad_Asura said: Was I suppose to care for the Commander?? I just learned his name this episode though..... Look at Gargantia, Flange, his old picture with Rigit, Rigit's father and the doctor etc. His conversation with the doctor, his leadership during the pirate's attack etc. Under him, Gargantia is peaceful, people are smiling, enjoying festival. His council's look up to and respect him, he's a father figure to Rigit. While he may not have enough screen time for a lot of us to really care about him, but he is not just some random "kill him off" character. I didn't know him for too long, heck, I don't even know his name up til this episode, but I do, however, respect his character for the peace that Gargantia found/maintained under his command. |
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StopDropAndBowl said: 00Bubbles00 said: Funny how writers didn't make Bevel ask him some more questions about civilization in space and war with Hideaze. It would of been good for backstory. Yeah! Because forced exposition is AMAZING storytelling... always a good choice... On the topic of the episode: Very well done. It was sad and mournful, but not melodramatic (tears from teenagers and mourning daughters are understandable), and also showed the development of Ledo. He is no longer only fighting just because it's his mission, he's beginning to formulate coherent reasons for his fight: he wants to protect Amy and humanity. He also shows a rebelliousness toward the Alliance propaganda when he tells Bevel that he doesn't want the utilitarian mentality to take over Gargantia. I thought the Ridget parts were well done if you understand the reasoning behind it. She is coming to terms with being a leader, and part of that was letting go of both her father-figure and letting the ships go without making a scene or causing a fuss. It did well at showcasing the more democratic side of Gargantia and was semi-realistic in the problems a young, brand new leader would face after the death of a long-time, respected leader and mentor/father figure. Amy also showed maturity near the end by not whining at Ledo as he said good-bye. People can call it boring, but I prefer story-telling that isn't afraid to take it's time and to really highlight the personal aspect of characterization. Action is all well and good, but it should ALWAYS take a back seat to good, solid story-telling. Further, this was the point of all the "boring" episodes beforehand: to introduce the humanization of Ledo and to highlight the emotions of the other characters. I don't think we were supposed to cry at the death of the Commander, or at Ledo leaving; we were just supposed to understand the feelings of the people involved, understand why Ridget is so emotionally affected, why Amy is crying, and why it means a lot that Ledo is actually THINKING about something other than his mission. The fact that Ledo discusses his younger brother with Bevel means that he's actually thought about it, and has to some degree been hurt by the memory. He is already showing cracks in his robot-soldier facade. Most shows would have skipped the character building and used the classic mistake of assuming that Tell is as good as Show in storytelling. It takes a certain kind of courage to slow down and really work at building the character in a realistic way: no huge space battles, no pseudo-intellectual rants, no over-blown action scenes to give cheap drama and exposition; just simple every day life. People in this anime have conversations they would realistically have. They do things they would realistically do. They make mistakes, they don't communicate, they doubt themselves and others, and they don't spend hours talking about shit. They work, they play, they live, they eat, they love, they lose, they grow, and when they die, they just die. No huge fanfare; no ten-minute speeches, just a peaceful death and a funeral and everyone else picking up the pieces and trying to move on. Well, haters gonna hate; armchair critics gonna expect bad tropes and worse techniques and be disappointed when they don't get them. What're ya gonna do? You can lead horses to water, but you can't make 'em drink. On a side note: Pinion dies next. Heroic sacrifice to teach Ledo the true meaning of loss and finalize his understanding of the depth of human interaction. Best post here. Anyone who bitches about the lack of action should read this. |
AlexGK said: AlexGK said: PoeticJustice said: But let us look at the story that is supposed to be told here. It is not about the Gargantia, it is about a young boy who only knew war. He comes to a foreign planet and learns what it means to be "human." This is not Battleship. And besides, Ridget will have many people help her along the way, who else was the Commander supposed to nominate? Almost all of her shipmates are old as hell anyway. Fine, call it wrong setting for that kind of story then. Icebreaker93 said: SAO is sh1t compared to this. Well, lets say its just me then. Actually, I take that back now that I see the episode ratings. Its not just me then. I stand on my opinion - Greatest letdown in recent years, worse than SAO. And there was a time I didn't think anything could fail harder than SAO. 1st time for everything. There is still hope though - 4 episodes are still ahead. That and the fact that SAO was that overhyped fail. I agree on the letdown but going as far as to say it was more disappointing than SAO is going a little overboard... There might be only 4 episodes left but i feel like this is going to end on some kind of cliffhanger bait for a season 2, there is no way the story can end in a satisfactory manner in such a short amount of time ! Especially considering the slow paced progression so far, it would feel completely out of place to feed us with a chain-reaction of ass-pulls just as we near the end of the series/season. So imo there will be some major discovery(ies) and/or plot twists on the last episodes that will lead to whole new perspectives for a next season. At least that's what i'm hoping for... i would hate to see this turn into a cheesy boring "slice of life" kind of ending. |
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AlexGK said: Actually, I take that back now that I see the episode ratings. Its not just me then. I stand on my opinion - Greatest letdown in recent years, worse than SAO. And there was a time I didn't think anything could fail harder than SAO. 1st time for everything. There is still hope though - 4 episodes are still ahead. That and the fact that SAO was that overhyped fail. Comparing SAO to this is just retarded, you got baited into thinking this was an action show because you were misinformed, this is primarily a slice of life and was always meant to be. It hasn't failed at that by any means even though I'm finding this show less interesting as it goes on so far. This was never hyped anything like SAO either and frankly is a completely different genre and aimed at a different demographic. |
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ReasonDesu said: I guess you missed all those Madoka fanboys soiling themselves with happiness when they heard Urobuchi is involved with this show. Although it's true it's not as 'overhyped' as Kyoujin...This was never hyped anything like SAO (...) |
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| Hehe I wish I hadn't read that *_* It's starting to blow my time travel theory I had sorted out in my head out of the water. If anything I'm looking forward to some answers from this show and I'm glad it's an original work so no-one knows. |
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| Good episode!!! Gargantia is going to take a new direction with several ships including Flange's ships are leaving. Since Pinion is aiming to acquire the treasure in Hideauze's nest then it also means that Ledo is also persuaded to come along as are aiming for the same place. Seems like Melty is also leaving the Trio and I was sure that Amy would go with Ledo but I guess she can't leave Bevel behind. I wonder if we ever get to see Gargantia again because they may just show things from Ledo's point of view from next episode. IF that is the case, I will miss seeing Bellows and the other people. Ridget seems to be building up self confidence as she vows to live up to the expectations of Commodore Fairlock to which the spirit of Gargantia still resides in a lot of people. Chamber tells Ledo that it is practically impossible to reach back to the Galactic Alliance as they need to travel at the speed of the light to which they have no means of doing. RIP to Commodore Fairlock!! Looking forward to the next episode!! 5/5 |
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| Dear haters and anti-haters: instead of taking sides and bashing each other, how's finding out where our true differences lie and avoiding any further mud-slinging? I'll try to get down to the roots here. Ledo's transformation is simply not convincing. And whenever the main message isn't getting through, every other aspect of the show, every stroke of emotional appeal that attempts to paint "character development" looks contrived and out of place. Consider the Alliance and its cause, and what place it actually has in forming Ledo's character. Many of you are quick to label the Alliance as a utilitarian military state (as if this was inherently evil) bent on taking over the universe, provoked or otherwise, and the Hideauze as a family of peace-loving creatures who just happen to be dispersed throughout space, minding their own business and doing their thing, like the snails that are constantly raiding people's backyards. Would you forsake pest control? I don't know how other people might see this, but the concept of "co-existence" that we humans champion today, is really just "Leave the ones that don't bother us alone, get rid of the ones that do, and try to keep the ones that look pretty." Yes, I am being serious. Why isn't anyone out there shouting, "Let's stop the war on HIV! They're just tiny little viruses doing their thing, if they want to take some human lives in the process, let 'em do it! We gotta give each other some space!"? Because there is no such thing as perfect coexistence, just as there is no such thing as unlimited resources. Blame evolution for giving humans the ability to rise above our animal brethren. The way people antagonize the Alliance and utilitarianism in general is deeply rooted in their belief systems, which is shaped by their political environments. This is why I compared this show to Shingeki. There are two types of people in this world: those who join the Police Corps and those who join the Recon Corps. Contrary to what it may seem, I am not advocating joining the Recon Corps. I am saying that both are perfectly reasonable and recurring states of human existence. Neither one is INHERENTLY evil; they are the result of nature . So as you can see, my distaste for this show has nothing to do with the lack of action. It is because I do not find it a satisfactory argument for world peace. It does not make an argument at all, even; it simply assumes that peace and co-existence is the correct path for humanity, which makes it impossible to justify Ledo's place in this society. And that was the whole point of the show. I am not convinced, and neither is Ledo. |
tealcactusMay 27, 2013 7:19 AM
| While the funeral was well done IMO, it was too much of the episode. I could find no emotional connection with a guy who had less than a paragraph of dialogue in 8 episodes. As someone stated earlier, I would have liked Ledo to explain more about the squids to the Gargantia people and Amy, but perhaps as someone bred just to fight, he doesn't know much other than they are the enemy. Oh well. Four episodes left? I really hope it starts to pick up fast, the first 2 episodes really had me sucked in, then all the rest of the episodes detailing the daily life of waterworld just fell flat for me. |
| 5/5 evilcyber said: but a nice eps btw~  nice art and oppai ~ I hate to see the souls of anime44 because it takes away a part of the episode, not the breasts that do not interest me, but for the portion of the show that has the whole look for! Episode that has the merit of making us see that the life of every day is not only fun and positivity. Here there is a problem of sexism, but some skepticism due to the young age of Ridgett, who would not think so? A person more expert, more reliability can show respect to a person younger even if good, then Ridgett did not show that much charisma yet. nice also the different point of view of the two protagonists both aim at the same reason, but they behave differently, even the relationships between the various characters are very valid, all prove to be personable, but do not hide propylene thoughts. The question of the master, they more than dwell on the figure itself, we should focus on context and made very well for me, feels thanks to the silences and the BGM charged atmosphere of pain and angosci for the future prossimo.Ultima thing, I'm curious to see how the relationship will evolve between Ledo and Melty! * _ * I'm liking a lot of the anime, I had already set his vision as Slice of Life and not as a shonen full of wars, the plot also gave a similar indication, then there is still categorized according part, everything is possible and nothing is excluded! |
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| @morrow you raise good points and I mostly agree with you, but you should realize that it's impossible to get a legit discussion going here. I mean someone just said that having the Gargantians ask Ledo for background info on the galactic civilization would be forced exposition... Yeah it's totally unnatural to ask the visiting alien (when you don't even have the technology to breach the stratosphere) about his origins when he's friendly. Personally I don't dislike this show, but I do have similar issues. blueyedsamurai said: Fai said: How would you react if some weirdo came into your room and started shouting that your goldfishes will eradicate humanity? If that weirdo came from the stars with technology thousands of years ahead of ours, then I would probably believe him If you want to keep your sanity, you might wanna give up now. |
Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
| I find it weird that actually a lot of people got teary over the funeral of someone we barely saw... I respect him, but getting teary over him is too much... Oh by the way, it's been 8 episodes now and people still don't get Urobuchi only wrote two episodes..... |
AlexGK said: Emotional scenes wont work that well when you didn't have any attachment to the characters in question. And so far we haven't seen anything spectacular from the captain. To me he looked like loved but weak leader. Dunno, might just be me, but the show is the greatest letdown for me in recent years. Even greater than SAO, and that's saying much. Score down to 5/10 and with the 4 episodes that we have left this looks like a lost cause already. What a waste of setting, art, music and VA talent. Hmm...I could argue with you but I have this rule were I check a persons taste before I argue with them. So lets see... Anime completed = 105 Favorite anime = Toradora, Naruto: Shippuuden, Fairytale. Animes given a 10 = Chuunibyou demo Koi ga Shitai!, Sakurasou no Pet na Kanojo, B Gata H Kei, Ano Hi Mita Hana no Namae wo Bokutachi wa Mada Shiranai. ....and you dare lecture others on good storytelling and taste? Come back when you have become a veteran young Padawan. Not even worth my time. |
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| Meh. I didn't have any emotional attachment because it's a short based series. Maybe if it was Amy, the other two girls I would of felt something. Looks like things will get going next week. I just noticed that they do the previews in the "ED" on the ships sail. I always skipped the ED so I never noticed... LOL. |
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Takuan_Soho said: I have a feeling that this will be the ultimate lesson of this show: don't screw with Mother Nature. This one made me laugh. Takuan_Soho said: Give it time. Humanity has only slowly decided to give animals some space and to recognize them as having existential value, give it a few decades or centuries, I can easily see PETV or PETB picketing in front of the White House, or through fake bacterial cultures on people. Well, I think the principle still stands that if something poses a threat, it will be eliminated or at least subdued. Conservation only comes into play when considering those weaker than ourselves, and especially those endangered by the onset of human civilization (which, arguably, could be anything since humans are tied to global warming and thus known as The Destroyer of All Natural Habitats). Will we eventually evolve to a point where we have the power to exterminate pathogens once and for all? That is the question. Takuan_Soho said: I am not convinced that this is the ultimate message of the show, but I completely agree that if it is the message it really is childish (as mentioned above). According to some sources, the intended theme of this show was merging into society, a message to young adults just entering the workforce to see society as less frightening and more warm and welcoming. |
tealcactusMay 27, 2013 9:07 AM
| I for one enjoy that show quite a bit. At first glance it is a real eye candy so bright so colorful and full of energy, and funny most particularly with Ledo trying to fit in. I've read a lot of different opinion about the Alliance, the Hideauze, the way of living of the Gargantian and Ledo's decision of continue fighting even though he might have done otherwise. I don't believe the Alliance is evil just because of its war against the Hideauze or their strict way of living, after all they live in space where resources are not easy to come by and they can't just turn everything off when the Hideauze is coming their way. I am also glad that some Gagantians took the initiative to leave the main fleet to explore the Hideauze territories, who knows what they might find. |
| LEDOOOO YOU CAN'T GO HOMEEEEEEEEEEE </3 </3 OMGGGGG BABY I'M SORRY HONTO GOMEN!!! Aw that OST and the death... This episode was by far such an emotional episode for me... I had a lump in my throat the whole time, especially when Amy was crying over Ledo. I really think he will come back, or the show will fast-forward a few years and the both of them will be older. This show continues to keep me interested and I love the natural human feelings it brings. |
TachiiMay 27, 2013 10:23 AM
pp813 said: LEDOOOO YOU CAN'T GO HOMEEEEEEEEEEE </3 </3 OMGGGGG BABY I'M SORRY HONTO GOMEN!!! I doubt your sanity from the way you write but I think the episode left it clear enough that Red is not going home (and it was stated he can't), he is actually going to kill some Hideauze.. |
Andrew729 said: Why didn't Gen want to write the entirety of this show himself? If Gargantia is indeed going to have a happier ending than most of his shows thus far, did he not have enough self-confidence to write the whole thing? Of course, heh, he never said it would have a happier ending. I agree with most of what you said but this wasn't even originally his work, he got asked to collaborate and this is how it panned out, it's not like he didn't have enough "self-confidence" to write a whole show. That's just how the industry works sometimes, he is such a hyped name at the moment it drew a lot of attention, probably more than it deserved. |
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 Gargantia needs to get back to what they were doing during Episodes 5 and 6. Last two episodes have been terrible. |
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RyanSaotome said: Gargantia needs to get back to what they were doing during Episodes 5 and 6. Last two episodes have been terrible. A strange conclusion. I'm pretty sure if you compared the absolute numbers of people watching Naruto or OP, it would eclipse that of Gargantia. Therefore, the conclusion - following your premise that everything should be related to popularity - would be that they better not make series like gargantia anymore, but more typical shounen, like Naruto, Bleach, OP, etc. I, for one, thought the epsiode wasn't bad, and CERTAINLY better - except in fanservice maybe, but that's not exactly MY definition of 'better' - than ep.5 and 6. No blatant fanservice, no tranny-trope/gag/joke, not even a contradiction of 'Do not kill any pirates while we're shelling and bombarding and killing them ourselves!". No, the episode was calm and without much action, but it made sense. It was strong in the department of characterisation and relational-emotional expressions. Next will be battle-intensive again, we can presume, so it's not bad to make an intermezzo. In short, it wasn't the very best episode I've seen from Gargantia, but it was pretty good, and far better than some others, even if those others were more popular with the Japanese Otaku's. |
morrownight said: Takuan_Soho said: I am not convinced that this is the ultimate message of the show, but I completely agree that if it is the message it really is childish (as mentioned above). According to some sources, the intended theme of this show was merging into society, a message to young adults just entering the workforce to see society as less frightening and more warm and welcoming. Well they should know they're not getting across that theme so well. At this rate, all the young adults will feel as if society uses you and throws you away whenever it pleases- which is, actually, pretty accurate but certainly not the 'welcoming' tone they're attempting to convey. |
Spirai said: Well they should know they're not getting across that theme so well. At this rate, all the young adults will feel as if society uses you and throws you away whenever it pleases- which is, actually, pretty accurate but certainly not the 'welcoming' tone they're attempting to convey. Exactly my point. And it's not working out because the theme is clashing with the setting in much deeper ways. Takuan_Soho said: Pacifists and "hippies" often deserve to be bashed, particularly if they unjustly condemn the military or police who are providing them the security that allows them to be pacifists and hippies. Morality isn't easy, those who think it is far from being morally superior are actually being moral cowards. +1 |
tealcactusMay 27, 2013 12:42 PM
| This was a really sad and slow paced episode. Sad to see the Commodore die and then give the whole power to this young girl, Ricket. She sure has a big task coming for her. Especially when the episode is calm before the storm, and we're getting to the end in a month. Looks like Chamber got a new toy for his underwater battles coming up, and hopefully we'll be getting there very soon. The character building in this show has been pretty good, and I hope it will continue the trend, and seeing how UroBUTCHER is writing the script for the final episode. I feel we're in for a huge surprise. People are sad to see Ledo leave, and looks like Pinion is just using him just so he can get his hands on some treasure, starting to feel that he's being blinded by the riches under the sea rather than the people around him. Well I'm glad Ricket got some people supporting her during this sad times. Overall, good episode and calm before the storm. Things are going to move during the next coming episodes.  |
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| I found this episode to be such an annoyance and a joy at the same time. Pinion should go die somewhere and Ledo, poor Ledo, he can't get back to the alliance but he wants to destroy the whalesquids to protect Amy. Such a noble cause but he is so blind to the real reason why Amy is sad. Yea, I was annoyed that they had to leave. Anyway, I loved this episode even though I personally raged at some of the character's choices (Seriously, Fuck Pinion). I hope Amy sees Ledo again... |
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| I guess at least the time travel idea can be debunked. he's just on the other end of the milkyway pretty much. Also what he said on "Human dominace" pretty much tells me the humans had started the war and are likely the attackers. I hope he and the fleet rejoin, its sad to see why he was doing it, he should have said something. Very sad ep overall. |
morrownight said: Ledo's transformation is simply not convincing. What exactly is unconvincing about it? Consider the Alliance and its cause, and what place it actually has in forming Ledo's character. Many of you are quick to label the Alliance as a utilitarian military state (as if this was inherently evil) Utilitarian military states are inherently evil. Throughout all of human history there has not been a single instance of a utilitarian military state that respected human life, guaranteed civil rights, or ensured the greater prosperity of it's citizens. Go to live in a concentration camp in North Korea and tell me that a utilitarian military state is not inherently evil. In fact, just watch the documentary: Kimjongillia. The Alliance shows all the hallmarks of a horror state. the Hideauze as a family of peace-loving creatures who just happen to be dispersed throughout space, minding their own business and doing their thing, like the snails that are constantly raiding people's backyards. No, I think most people, myself included, are just pretty suspicious of the Alliance and therefore don't buy the idea that the Hideauze are an alien species hellbent on the singular destruction of humanity. Why would they be so intent on annihilating humans? What purpose could that war serve them? Without clear answers, I refuse to just jump into accepting the propaganda from a police state that gets served to their soldiers. Especially when counter-evidence exists: the whale-squids on earth show no sign of overt hostility toward humans. Ledo's explanation for why is weak and illogical. I'm more convinced that the Hideauze are simply responding to human aggression than hunting down humanity. Would you forsake pest control? I've seen no clear evidence that the Hideauze are not sentient. I would certainly forsake "pest control" if the "pests" were sentient creatures. The way people antagonize the Alliance and utilitarianism in general is deeply rooted in their belief systems, which is shaped by their political environments. This is why I compared this show to Shingeki. There are two types of people in this world: those who join the Police Corps and those who join the Recon Corps. Contrary to what it may seem, I am not advocating joining the Recon Corps. I am saying that both are perfectly reasonable and recurring states of human existence. Neither one is INHERENTLY evil; they are the result of nature . The comparison is pretty weak. I assume that you're thinking of the people in the Alliance as Recon Corps members, and the Gargantians as Police Corps members? Except the Titans in SnK are hellbent on the destruction of humanity. They show no signs of sentience. There is no way to peacefully coexist with them. It is kill or be killed. We have NO evidence that this is the case with the Hideauze and actually posses evidence to the contrary. And of course people's opinions on the Alliance are based on their belief systems. I happen to hold the belief that slaughtering children because they are sick or crippled is pretty heinous and unacceptable no matter what the cost of maintaining them would be. Most people in the civilized, modern world would agree. So as you can see, my distaste for this show has nothing to do with the lack of action. It is because I do not find it a satisfactory argument for world peace. It does not make an argument at all, even; it simply assumes that peace and co-existence is the correct path for humanity, which makes it impossible to justify Ledo's place in this society. And that was the whole point of the show. How do you come to that conclusion? Bellows clearly states that there are times when fighting is necessary. No one so far in the entire show has given any indication of a pacifist belief system. They prefer peace and co-existence... most sane people do. They see peace and co-existence as the desirable ultimate goal... most sane people do. I think you're pretty off-base by saying that the whole point of the show is to argue for pacifism. I think you've missed the real point of the show: a young soldier dealing with the end of his war. Andrew729 said: Interesting to see how a lot of debate has split along political lines, and all the right-wingers using this as a soapbox to bash pacifism and "hippies". (Yeah, I went "there". I'm not sorry.) I am about as right-wing as you can get. Please don't assume things. XartaX said: I mean someone just said that having the Gargantians ask Ledo for background info on the galactic civilization would be forced exposition... Yeah it's totally unnatural to ask the visiting alien (when you don't even have the technology to breach the stratosphere) about his origins when he's friendly. They have discussed his origins with him, and it is implied that more discussion occured off-screen. The problem I have with too much of that simply for the sake of revealing back-story information for the viewer is that: 1) Ledo has no real information about the Alliance except for his war-knowledge. He has never been to the home-base of humanity. He is not a government official. He is a seventeen year old soldier who has been in the military his entire life. He doesn't have information to give them other than what he already did give them. 2) It is irrelevant to the plot and story. The story is about Ledo on Gargantia, not the Alliance vs. the Hideauze. 3) Any time where people discuss things for no other reason than to highlight information for the audience that is, by definition, forced exposition. One should almost always avoid forced exposition in story-telling. |
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| Anybody know how far the manga of Suisei no Gargantia is? Hoping a season 2 is scheduled for this fall/winter. |
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| By the way I feel the need to say this, I just realized like Bellows it was.. indicated. Whalesquid don't generally attack unless provoked. This probably indicates the Alliance were the ones who initiated the war? Probably, but what this means may have no significance. I just noticed it is all. |
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