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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Wow. Great Climax. |
TuzoAnimeJun 13, 2008 9:03 PM
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| wow topic id #29000 what a nice round number |
  "What happens when we die?" I know that the ones who love us will miss us. |
| A little too much moral-cookie which was slightly cheesy but a fucking masterpiece climax anyway. It should've ended with this episode, whenit finished I just though "aaah, kansen" when I saw that there was another episode in my folder I got confused. |
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| He... died. WHAT? There's still an episode left!!! D: Watch the next one be a filler... I will be pissed. T_T And just when you think you hate a person in this Anime... they say something that totally makes you wanna liek them. -_- Ugh... I feel liek crying. :'D |
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| A nice, intense mecha battle. A nice tit for tat hostage taking situation. An epic jump by Albert. The only thing that was cheesy for me was the scene involving Albert and the Count. |
Alberto said: Wow. Great Climax. there are too many things wrong with this ending. after the count got stabbed by franz he didn't get it checked out by ali, his alien slave that can take a bullet out? no? well, fair enough he's dead, but did the ceiling have to collapse when he died? what is this, aladdin? total fail. and dude, wtf, ferdinand had just shot his son less than an hour ago, and he's all weepy because the count wants to shoot him too? what a wuss. And if you actualy think about it, killing himself is actually the "running away". Basically, he's too dead to get the hell out and start facing the consequences of, ooh, i don't know, BOMBING THE CRAP OUT OF PARIS. plus his previous crime of impersonating aristocracy and his treachery and looting and enslaving of jaradin. this anime is great trainwreck.before you complain, are you seriously telling me you'd accept that gankutsuou, a being over 3000 years old, can be exorcised with a hug? this anime just makes me angry. |
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| Meh, didnt really like this episode that much. =/ The earlier episodes were much better imo. |
| Ferdinand apparently actually cares for his son. So he wasn't totally deranged. I wonder what Albert told the Count to make him fall apart like that. Very intense episode, I was surprised to find another episode left. |
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| I was quite confused with the hugging part between the Count and Albert. Did Gankutsuo die because Albert hugged (and kissed him on the cheek*?) * Did Albert even do that? |
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| ...Epic. I can handle the cheeziness. It's fitting. Awesome climax..... Whats the next ep about?? |
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| Amazing and yet ... cliche, it is very conclusive and yet it didn't really feel right, as some others have said, for the count to be released by a hug and a kiss on the cheek @_@? For Villefiore's mistress to just randomly be there and then running off with the alien. For Fernand to suddenly go all good guy and what not. The ending seems somewhat flawed and yet, I still felt it was a good climax =/ |
| I agree with the guys who said it was terrible (old post I know). WTF How could a demon this old be exorcised by a HUG!? I could see why the shrapnel from the sword didn't matter much at that point since he probably stopped feeling it and didn't care anymore because it wasn't going to kill him anyways, his stupidity was his own undoing in that scene then. :P But the exorcise scene, then how Mondego hesitated when the son he tried to kill was held hostage? WTF? Oh, and even dumber, how his wife was all gentle and nice to him after what he said to her. You'd think she'd be pissed and give him what he truly deserves, honestly it was completely unrealistic, I am used to that in anime usually but this was plain awful. WTF >.O Terrible ending to such a nice anime >: |
LucreciaLeVrai said: Jonnieh said: after the count got stabbed by franz he didn't get it checked out by ali, his alien slave that can take a bullet out? no? Totally agreed. Not removing the sword shard earlier made me go WTF? ...you didn't pay attention to what Franz learned about Gankutsuou, right? That Gankutsuou would take control by possessing the body. One part after another would stop 'living', no blood rushing through his veins. The last thing, though, would be the heart, for Gankutsuou seems to need it to stay inside his host. We saw Ali remove the bullet from more like the shoulder, NOT from the heart. Means, he got shot, stabbed and whatever else, where Gankutsuou already HAD control over and could heal/close the wound. The heart, though, has no such regeneration for Gankutsuou left it 'alive'. As long as the shard stayed inside the wound, the hole was filled, but once it was removed and not immidiately closed, blood would pour out through it. And because it's the heart, that would be the worst thing to happen. You know, there are people out there who have been born with a hole in their hearts, and they usually don't live long because of that defect... Possibility Two would be that once the shard would have been removed, in order to stay 'alive' to fulfill his revenge, Gankustuou would have had to take control over the heart as well, which would cease Edmond's existance and personality. Either way, HE wouldn't be able to fulfill his revenge, so he'd probably leave it as it is. |
DarkChaplain said: ...you didn't pay attention to what Franz learned about Gankutsuou, right? That Gankutsuou would take control by possessing the body. One part after another would stop 'living', no blood rushing through his veins. The last thing, though, would be the heart, for Gankutsuou seems to need it to stay inside his host. And you didn't pay attention to my really really old post? "fair enough he's dead" means I accept that an explanation might be less lame than what happened after. Still, if you want to revisit the topic, what about the fact that he's TRANSPARENT. That makes the count extra retarded for not getting it checked out. I mean, does he not shower anymore? DOES HE NOT SHOWER NAKED? DarkChaplain said: Either way, HE wouldn't be able to fulfill his revenge, so he'd probably leave it as it is. That ruins the WHOLE point of this anime. Well, the whole point of the book. He ruins the people who ruined his life - he plays God and pronounces judgement on them, and the get what they deserve in the book. In the anime, Ferdinand did not lose what he didn't deserve to have, he still has the respect and love of his wife and son. He seemingly faces the consequences of his actions instead by choosing the easy way out with suicide (a la Welcome to the NHK). The book is about responsibility and consequences, the anime is about... nothing, since the story doesn't even make sense. The poisoning wife gets away because she has a bratty kid (you can't kill a mother!) - that leaves a bitter taste in me mouth. Here are some questions to make you realise that this anime fails: Why did he hesitate in executing Albert, for yaoi lulz? The fact that he didn't shower would surely be a hug repellant? Why didn't he practice his mecha piloting skills more? Why isn't ferdinand and fat and puffy like the genetically enhanced Morell? surely that would have been more awesome. Generals deserve the best right? Why doesn't anyone realise that Eugenie doesn't look anything like her parents? Genetically, she should be a skank Why is the fact that Eugenie is a raging lesbian in the book not translate into the anime? Yuri with Valentine would have been the most amazing love triangle ever. Why doesn't anyone realise that she sucks at piano? I wouldn't pay to see her. Rant over |
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| ROFL this show is a joke XD why the hell did i start it in the first place anyways... so many wrong things here |
Crimsonwill said: Amazing and yet ... cliche, it is very conclusive and yet it didn't really feel right, as some others have said, for the count to be released by a hug and a kiss on the cheek @_@? For Villefiore's mistress to just randomly be there and then running off with the alien. For Fernand to suddenly go all good guy and what not. The ending seems somewhat flawed and yet, I still felt it was a good climax =/ I... agree with a lot of what you said. Only, I'm not really sure I think it was a good climax. I liked it but didn't. It definitely just didn't seem right -- though what "right" is, I don't know. I think I was expecting more from this series... and that expectation wasn't met? Blahh. Whatever. So many things wrong with the episode, but I'm glad it's coming to a close... albeit in some really weird way... |
| dont no why u guys sayin he kissed him on the cheek (god would it kill u guys to actually think about stuff b4 u say anything ) anyway i think he whispered in his ear that he still thinks highly of him as a friend and he trusts him still even after learning the truth but put in shorter words thats what i think happened ( thinking back to episode 15 ) |
After I Crush Your Dreams...... Your Bones Will Follow...... |
| So story ends here. But... But, the last episode is not really a filler. The next generation is full of hope! Cheer up! |
LucreciaLeVrai said: Gankutsuou wasn't exorcised with a hug, I suppose, but by Edmond's very strong willpower, which finally won against the demon. Too bad he had all these feelings for a /boy/, not for Mercedes. Seriously, I don't mind yaoi, and Franz/Albert was rather cute, but Albert was /not/ the love of Edmond's life. He turned a deaf year to his former fiance's pleas, so what made him abandon his hatred when the boy became involved? This is the one point where I believe Gonzo screwed up. Every other time, even when they altered the original content, they generally still did enough to satisfy fans of the novel. But when they had Edmond be saved by Albert's hugging / deus ex machina power, it made absolutely no sense and only occurred because someone felt the need to end the series with Albert doing something useful; whether logical or not. The only person Edmond cared for or loved enough to end his vengeance for was the love of his life, Mercedes, as the novel proved when she actually did manage to persuade him to stop--when she showed that, even after all the time that had past, that he was still the love of her life. And, in Gankutsuou's version of events, even she failed to sway him. What should have happened was Mercedes hugging Edmond, instead of Albert. With the woman he loved more than life itself in his arms, I'd be willing to accept the devil being defeated through willpower alone... but, as we all know, that's not what happened, and yaoi fangirls rejoiced worldwide as they were pandered to with a cheek kiss. The whole deus ex machina thing is Gankutsuou's only major flaw, and the one point I had to ignore in order to score it 10/10. Nothing is perfect, but I can't help but think that Gonzo screwed up when the obvious answer lay within the very novel they had adapted... ...In any event, I thought that the episode was fantastic, prior to the Albert huggle nonsense. The moment where Edmond pointed at Fernand in order to express that he still had him by the balls, rather than the other way around, was tingle-worthy. And it was nice to see Fernand attempt to redeem himself in the eyes of his son in the only way he could. |
| One word: cheesy. |
| great climax, also a big mix of emotions, i like the idea of another episode. |
| The fuck? I dont even know where to begin. Really not looking to taking another point away from this title. Let's see if the last epi can cancel this out. |
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| Albert saving Edmond Dantes with THE POWER OF LOVE!!! was slightly disappointing, yes, and cheesy. Like AironicallyHuman posted on the first page, Mercedes would have been a better choice here. Being saved by love and friendship is cheesy enough, but by having Albert hug and even kiss him on the cheek made it much worse. Mercedes, at the very least, would have been kind of poetic and touching. Yeah, yeah, Albert the main character and stuff, but still... Anyway, I just found that to be way too over-the-top for this series, especially when it's such a pivotal moment. No subtlety at all. Also, Fernand is a confusing fellow. He went batshit insane last episode, almost going so far as to kill his own wife and son. This episode? He suddenly cares for Albert again. Was it a temporary loss of sanity last episode? I don't know. In any case, it could have been handled better. And, was I the only one disappointed with Mercedes' fake-out death? I could have sworn she was dead. Ah, well. Strangely enough, despite my complaints, I liked this episode, and the whole anime has been quite a ride. |
MormegilFeb 9, 2012 9:46 PM
| He kissed...him? |
| Even when I was in crowd, I was always alone |
| A hug? really disappointed. |
| this episode really ruined the masterpiece of this anime :[ |
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| Admittedly I know that this is a very old thread, but I must make something very clear. All of you who are saying that it's 'cheesey' and 'it's a bad episode' are forgetting some very important things. Like someone said in an earlier post, it was Albert's willpower that was able to get through to the Count. The 'hug' was him showing that he would overcome any fear he had and that he would no longer run away, even if it was his life on the line. Also, there's the matter of the 'kiss on the cheek' that everyone is talking about. While yes, some may mistake it as yaoi (admittedly, I did as well when I watched someone's YouTube countdown that included the Count), but I was mistaken. That was no 'kiss on the cheek'. What Albert did was completely different. Thinking back to an earlier episode, episode 15 I believe, the Count asked Albert if he would still think highly of him no matter what, to which Albert said that he would. Come episode 23, I rewatched it and saw that Albert's lips were closer to the Count's ear than his cheek. What I got from what Albert did is that, while the 'hug of willpower' might not have been enough to break the Count free from Gankutsuou's control, Albert whispered to the Count that he still thought highly of him, even with all of the events that had happened. That is all. Thank you for taking your time to read my humble comment. I hope you all have a pleasant day, and may the memory of the Count of Monte Cristo, Edmond Dantes, never fade. But be warned... he might not truly be gone. He might just be... waiting and watching. |
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| Loved this show. Fucking awesome. However I am pissed that the Count had to die. |
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| Good that they're alive, epic mech fight, I still find the concept rather strange of having the nerves of the robot be linked to the actual human... why would the pilot suffer from the damage of the robot? But damn epic face of the count! But why did she interfered and got captured :/ stupid woman but good that Albert's father still cares somewhat for him... But didn't expect to one of the counts servants to actually cover up for Albert. But lol what's up with that kiss defeating or temporary disabling Gankutsuou, still quite epic that the piece of blade that Frans put in it still managed to kill him! That ending, I still wonder if he really died there... everything going in despair and braking down... well lets go to the final episode, I wonder what they'll show us, I do hope it will be an epic ending! |
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| JuiciaDeGardiaan hit the nail right on the head. Gankutsuou was not destroyed by the "power of love" or some bullshit like that just because Albert hugged and seemingly kissed him on the cheek. He was defeated because he failed to achieve his goal - to create hatred and eternal suffering. Think about everything the Count did to Albert. He killed his best friend, ruined his marriage with the woman he loved, completely tore his family apart and left the city of Paris in ruins. It would be natural, at this point, for Albert to be an absolute emotional wreck and completely despise the Count. That is what Gankutsuou hoped for, because he exists only for that sole purpose. Instead, Albert chose to forgive the Count and I agree with JuiciaDeGardiaan that Albert actually whispered in his ear that he still thought highly of him even after all that had happened. Gankutsuou failed to corrupt the mind of an innocent and naive young man, something that would normally be extremely easy to do given his intelligence and manipulative abilities. This is why he was defeated and lost control of Edmond Dantès' body. |
| Well, that was disappointing to say the least. I'm confused by all the sudden hate for this episode though, when I feel that the show has been going downhill since around episode 16. |
| The way Fernard act is badly executed. The transition from composed power-crazy dictator to insane lovelorn murderer to reckless caring father to remorseful repenting sinner is too sudden. Why did he blackmail Count with Heidi? Why didn't he just shoot Heidi instead of all the provocation then? Why did they decide to just have him looked from left to right then went down on his knees to beg? Worse yet, it's wrong to bring back a character after a few minutes of being off screen just to have them look all cool and composed and yada yada stating they wanted to repent. Didn't he looked severely distressed just now? Why look so calm after watching what your son did? Tell us, director, tell us! Then there's the Count-come-Gankutsuou. Didn't you say you want Fernard to suffer, hence the shot at Albert? Why suddenly changed to 'the pact is complete' and wanted to ride your fancy ship? I won't comment on that hug/whisper scene since it's fine by anime standard. |
Kenjimax said: The way Fernard act is badly executed. The transition from composed power-crazy dictator to insane lovelorn murderer to reckless caring father to remorseful repenting sinner is too sudden. This. I'd love to give this anime 10 as I'm satisfied with how the story progressed, but this episode is just badly executed. The transition of Fernand's emotions was just too sudden my sympathy lagged behind. The powah of hug thing isn't really surprising because there have been lots of hugging and BFFs in this anime. Still, if only scenes like this were properly directed it wouldn't bother us so much. |
| How I understood what Franz learned about Gankutsuou, if he had any human emotion left, his heart would be vulnerable. This is why he was fine right up until the, uh, personal encounter with Albert. It stirred up a tiny bit of emotion in him, and then his heart was no longer invulnerable. I think I would have preferred a less cheesy ending than that. One where the Count was stopped by force, or just having Gankutsuou eat his soul after he successfully exacts his revenge. |
JuiciaDeGardiaan said: adamantine said: That was no 'kiss on the cheek' ... Albert whispered to the Count that he still thought highly of him, even with all of the events that had happened.I wonder what Albert told the Count to make him fall apart like that. I thought the same thing: Albert forgave the Count for what he'd done. Also, I think Franz had a big influence since he told Albert in the letter to not hate anyone for his death. Anyway, I guess I'm one of the few who enjoyed this episode. |
| Loving the music when and how it was played from the this and the last ep. |
| Feels like losing all five senses & Maybe not able to have thoughts, Enjoi... |
| Cheesy =( could have been better |
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JuiciaDeGardiaan said: That is all. Thank you for taking your time to read my humble comment. I hope you all have a pleasant day, and may the memory of the Count of Monte Cristo, Edmond Dantes, never fade. But be warned... he might not truly be gone. He might just be... waiting and watching. I'll admit your post is equally as old, but I agree with it :p. Many people who are calling this cheesy or cliche or deus ex machina don't really understand the characters all that well. In addition to your points, I'd like to point out that Edmond Dantes was cursing Albert to his near dying breath. He was demanding that Betruccio fetch his sword so he could kill Albert - the man who just stole his conviction for revenge. But once he realized that it was futile, he resigned himself to his release from suffering - his death. I too noticed that Al's lips passed the Count's face, which led me to believe he did utter something to him. Then comes Fernand. I've seen some comments about him being inconsistent about his emotions, like how he shot Albert in one scene and then pleaded for his life in another. Let's be honest - this man was an emotional train wreck. He was losing everything and he would rather destroy them with his own hands than watch them fade away. Once he saw Albert again, he realized how there was still something in his life that he wanted to protect, that he valued more than his own life. Personally I thought Fernand's change of heart was very compelling. With that said though, I would have preferred a more dramatic conclusion to fit with the dark and grim build up to the climax. Everest89 said: What a stupid revenge, I'm disappointed ... I expected from Edmond to kill Mondego... Stupid, stupid, stupid END! You completely missed the point though, Edmond believed that death was a release from suffering. He didn't kill Villefort or Danglar because he wanted them to suffer and live in anguish and regret until the day they died. That's why he wanted to kill Albert so much - because it would leave Fernand in despair, where as killing him would be granting his dying wish. |
ZekkenshinSep 18, 2013 2:59 PM
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| Nooooooooooooo! R.I.P Edmond Dantes, you were one hell of a "villain" ;_; Now let's see how they end it. |
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| trust me guys, Edmond did not remove the shard was precisely because of the fact that he is prepared to die along with the demon in him. He does not want another person who suffer the same fate as him no longer. |
| "If you reject me, I'll blast a hole in you!" Kanzaki H. Aria Just kidding.  |
| Wasn't the greatest of endings but wasn't the worst either. Fernand caring about his son mere moments after trying to kill him and believing he did so was really hard to accept. As far as the count himself goes, his demise is unfortunate but wasn't Ganketsuou saying his time was up anyways? I thought I also remember them saying that if his intentions were ever swayed from his revenge(aka caring for someone deeply enough again to distract you) then he'd also die. As for the punishment of the 3 main betrayers of Edmond I'd say their punishment wasn't as cruel and eternal as I was hoping. Sure they experienced loss but only one really has any sort of length to his suffering. The judge is practically another person at this point, completely bat shit insane due to the poison count gave him so who knows if he's in any way conscious of his circumstances. The banker had a decent punishment but without food or water to keep him alive in his floating golden space prison he won't last very long. The general had a similar punishment to the judge, watched all his work in the past 10 years and any future ambition ruined but didn't have to suffer any more than that, obviously being driven to suicide and murdering your own family in the process is quite a punishment but Edmond lost everything, his youth, his love and his friends and had to dwell on this loss and the utter hopelessness of it all for so long in a horrible environment. Which is why I don't think the punishment for each of these people was good enough. Overall this is a very good anime but the last 1/3rd is much weaker than the first. The allure of the mystery was more enjoyable to me and ever since we had the count's intentions revealed and Franz died I felt it never really recovered back to the high points of it all. It's not so much the reveal and the info along with it that made it worse just how the characters are forced to act due to the reveal and franz's death. Some if it was inevitable but I just don't think the punishment really paid off after the buildup for this epic revenge tale that we are expecting to be given. Perhaps it was intentional, it is a commonly said phrase that revenge is bittersweet. Whether or not that is intentional here is the question. "Therein lies the defect of revenge: it's all in the anticipation; the thing itself is a pain, not a pleasure; at least the pain is the biggest end of it." Edit: On a side note, I really enjoyed how the anime puts the viewer in the anime itself in a way. What I mean by that is we experience the same transfixed allure and interest in the count as all of the characters do. We are lured in by his charm, however eery it might be at times. To me at least, although Albert was a bit too angsty for me(albeit justifiable for a 15 year old in this bizarre circumstance). His ignorance and naivety were a nice projection of the viewer. The trip on Luna was his first trip into a new and dangerous world and the anime lets us experience it all along with him in a very similar mindset to myself. The kid was obviously in need of a father figure, desired knowledge and experience and is as gullible and trusting as I believe most of us are or have been at once. Despite being used and abused Albert's naive outlook on friendship motivates him to never give up on The Count, which I think is a tragic human trait that at least I myself think about having all too often. Sensing true intentions in something when it's really just our projection of what we want to feel or believe. |
PANDEMlCDec 10, 2013 2:18 AM
| So many great moments this episode. I wonder what Albert whispered to the count. On to the finale. |
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| That was great.. but I have just one qualm: Did Fernand forget that he had just tried to kill Albert himself? Why would he be so concerned about his supposed-to-be-dead son as a hostage? Eh, whatever, on to the finale! |
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| (rewatching) At least Fernand put up a better fight than Franz. This episode is just epic. |
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| Trainwreck *heartbroken* :( |
Kagami_Hiiragi said: Idc if you think its weird, I have a life and friends and an income of money. |
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