Mahou Shoujo Madoka★Magica Episode 5 Discussion

Ginga-Bishoujo said:

the nature of the power of a mahou shoujo is linked to the wish they make upon their contract. This lead me to beleive that Madoka is said to have the strongest potential because she has the strongest ambition.
She could wish for many thing but she is humble enough for not wanting anything and deal with what she has at hand. She even go witch hunting without any power to protect herself.
She's not the kind of people to 'waste' her wish for someone which can be considered a weakness, kindness being something bad for a mahou shoujo. She's not the kind of people to ask for power or fame, basically she knows no greed.
She will be the strongest because her wish is humble and noble, a sign of strengh courage and devotion.

That would also explain why Kyubei talk about 'potential' rather than magic capacity. If the nature of the wish determine the mahou shoujo then it is not something written in stone as she hasn't made her wish yet. She only is inclined to make the wish that will grant her the strongest power and that is her potential.

potplant said:
Since Kyuubey's been actively pushing for a contract with Madoka on every opportunity, even go as far as create situation that requires a mahou shoujo as a convenient solution, I don't think the content of the wish matters. Madoka simply has lots of latent potential, which both Kyuubey and Homura see, why? Don't know.

Ginga-Bishoujo said:
Kyubei is not supposed to be able to influence a girl to become a mahou shoujo in any way.
Some people say that Kyubei is the devil but this isn't right and is based on misconception.
Kyubei said himself that he can't suggest anything to Madoka because it would influence her choice and that he has no right to do so.
He never created a situation that require Sayaka or Madoka to become a mahou shoujo.

Mami died, the city needed a new mahou shoujo and he then offered Sayaka or Madoka to become one, they both refused. The city couldn't be left alone, Kyubei then called a mahou shoujo he knew (Or she could has come by herself for all we know) and just before she arrived Sayaka contracted with Kyubei.
Kyubei cannot stop a mahou shoujo's action, he couldn't say to the new girl ''Don't attack her and go home'', the girl is the one to blame for attacking Sayaka and this is a situation that was bring forth by Sayaka's and Madoka's hesitation to become a mahou shoujo in the first place.

I mean, i'm all for theory but most of the people don't get how thing happened and base their theory on misconception.

Ginga-Bishoujo said:
Kyubei is not supposed to be able to influence a girl to become a mahou shoujo in any way.
Some people say that Kyubei is the devil but this isn't right and is based on misconception.
Kyubei said himself that he can't suggest anything to Madoka because it would influence her choice and that he has no right to do so.

nerdyguy said:
"Thanks you, but I think that the spacial reconstruction theory is more retarded than people saying Kyubei is a pervert.
Seriously how hard is that to understand that Homura's power is wind based as we've ALREADY SEEN IT. Spacial reconstruction based on a pipe changing place in the background? This is Shaft, I suggest people to go watch some of their other show."

I dont see how Homura's power is also related to the wind, through i could see her transportation or fast speed as seen in episode 1 and episode 3. And I stand by my argument that teleportation is just microscopic spatial reconstruction of the molecules at a 2 particular points in space and time, just like how information is created and destroyed in quantum computing. Does not mean that I think Homura has spatial reconstruction ability. In fact, Homura is still mysterious at this point of time, both in her actions and her words.

"And before people go saying that magic is impossible to begin with then don't bother. In madoka's world magic is something that exist, most probably with it's own law unknown to normal physic but something that definitively exist in the whole that is this world. That meant that the chance of a magical phenomenon, limited to it's own law, happening do exist in this world and kyuubei trigger it but he still can't do anything about something that is impossible."

Just a comment: The concept of magic is relative. Magic is only used by people who does not know the concept behind a phenomenon.

The rest of your comments are already being addressed and heard in /a/, so i would not go over into that.

And to mention about concept of analysis and philosophy, I do believe that this concept is being misused, as demonstrated in this forum. Analysis means the rational outlook of the situation in order to gain coherent information from it. It is different from speculation. And philosophy is a noble course, aimed to ask the great questions of the universe.

So lets cut the words, particularly the concepts of deep, analyzing and philosophy in this aspect, because really, it is just plain old speculation, and it is vaild, from what i can see, provided that people does not label it as absolute truth. In fact, truth truth...(to infinity) could not be conceptualized.

Deconstruction is another branch of philosophy (Derrida) that gets misunderstood as a subject. But as long as this word gets understood by most people as another different concept, I guess that compromise is fine itself.

Villetta_Nu said:
Someone needs to OWN Kyouko and fast!! I hate cocky, loud-mouthed girls with fangs!! And her constant munching is quite annoying. She's just as bad as the witches.

Ginga-Bishoujo said:


Lol

EvianBubble said:
Well that whole becoming a Masou Shoujo part at the beginning was ... interesting
Didn't really expect Homura to jump into the fight ...
That being said the fight was pretty awesome :P Kyouko is pretty interesting too, except for the whole "you should let the familiars hatch before hunting them" ... so there are definitely different types of Masou Shoujos out there

Iisan-kun said:
A Mahou Shoujo anime going the whole time without the main character becoming a Mahou Shoujo. Now what would be hilarious..

Fuurinkazan said:

Unless you're retarded, I do hope you realize that this isn't your typical magical girl anime.

Tomah said:
So we learn some pretty interesting stuff:

- According to Homura you can't revive the dead, so her and/or Sayaka's death is not likely to trigger Madoka's contract.

- You gain special powers according to your wish? Wow, now there are even more reasons to let Madoka's wish for a very important time, so that she gains some crazy abilities and justify Homura's worries.

- When Kyubey answered "Maybe, maybe not" to Kyouko's question, it raised the possibility of time traveling: "Maybe, but not in this time". Since Homura is quite powerful (for our standards) and is trying to save girls from becoming mahou shoujo, how come no one knows her? Though it is also possible that Kyubey has some sort of clones or something.
But that, plus the fact that she won't become mahou shoujo so easily, is precisely the show's entire point from beggining. Didn't Homura just say that those traits are terrible for mahou shoujo?You forgot "if". Also, A and B are incredibly appropriate, actually. I mean, all the circumstances are making us cheer for Madoka NOT to become mahou shoujo and get stuck in this world of competitive, selfish girls who risk their lives and that of others for their own sakes. So a wish like B (though quite a bit ridiculous, but that's the point) would make Madoka a different mahou shoujo.

IchigoParfait7 said:
I think Mami was like their introduction into the Mahou Shoujo world. She showed them witches, soul gems, grief seeds and taught them the basics of being a mahou shoujo. She educated them on how to fight and she fought to protect innocent citizens. To me thats a great mentor figure and her death was shocking but I think it had to happen. It made Madoka realize being a mahou shoujo isn't all rainbows and lollipops!!! Its an incredibly lonely and hard job where your life is on the line 24/7.

Mami’s mistake was being over confident I think. IF i were in her position I would of always been wary and not get big headed or else you'll lose your head. These fight scenes look alot more physically taxing them in other mahou shoujos where they just say some magic words and the job is done~ Its like Mahou shoujo lyrical nanoha. Nanoha didn't know any magic as she used her magic more and more she got better and better. She struggled and she was defeated. But she persevered and got to bet one of the best.

Yumekichi11 said:
About miscellaneous things, for one I am not sure of this but is there any meaning to the perfectly aligned cars? I find it kind of strange to put them there. Kind of find it weird that Kyoko put a barrier like that but that very barrier has inside of it Kyoko's symbol that she has embedded in her body.

fffan9391 said:
Kyubey drives me insane. He's like an annoying timeshare salesman.

Taihaku said:
So I REALLY do not like this anime too much. I find it boring at some parts and cliche in others. I had this anime dropped after episode 2 but my friend convinced me to watch episode 3. For once that episode did something I didn't expect and because I hated Mami in the first place i was satisfied with that episode.

When that death occurred I knew what would happen though or at least judging with episode 1 and 2 I knew what might happen. One of them would use their wishes to bring Mami back. My friend really likes this show so to make it interesting i made a deal with him that if Mami came back from one of their wishes and everything went back to normal, I would drop this show completely if she doesn't come back like that then i'll watch it to the end.

However last 2 episodes have been back to being predictable. I mean come on who didn't see Homura coming in to stop the fight? The entire second half of the fight I was hoping cheering on Fang-tan to kill the friend and main character resurrecting her and Mami back so that I could finally drop the show for being too predictable. But it was so obvious Homura would come so very obvious and of couse she comes in and cock blocks madoka.

So my hate of the predictability in this show has backfired on me Homura has prevented me from dropping this show. Dam you Homura!