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Tokyo Government Approves Yosuga no Sora Anime

by dtshyk
May 30, 2012 3:22 AM | 74 Comments
According to the minutes of the proceedings recorded at the 623rd Tokyo Metropolitan Council for Healthy Nurture of Juveniles held on May 14th, TV anime "Yosuga no Sora" was brought up for discussion. Although the section chief of the Youth Affairs concerned about the description of incest in the anime, he reached a conclusion that Yosuga no Sora does not violate Tokyo government's anime and manga regulation ordinance because the description was not excessive and there was no intention in the anime to present incest as socially accepted.

Source: Account of the meeting (PDF file)
Related topic: Manga Aki-Sora To Be Discontinued Due to Incestuous Contents

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That's one big ass wall of text for a thread that wasn't posted in since a year ago.

Jun 24, 2013 9:43 PM by TallonKarrde23

DraconisMarch said:
News title is misleading. Allowing something sure as hell isn't the same thing as approving it. They allow it and won't take any action to regulate it; they aren't approving (AKA encouraging) it.

Gash_V-D_Hetchum said:
Kurini said:
The world is changing.
For the greater good of mankind
Uh... Trolling?

Last time I checked, birth defects never resulted in the greater good of mankind. Unless I'm misinterpreting what you're referring to.

icantfeelmyarms said:
God hates gays, and he hates incestuous siblings.
LOL? Uh... no. God hates sin, not sinners.

jmal said:
Your "God"'s opinion is completely irrelevant.
It's a little bit more relevant than yours.

...And when I say "a little," I actually mean "a lot."




As I said in my other post in this forum, there's a lot of misinformation.

In my post I wrote about how defects don't just show up out of nowhere unless they are mutations which would happen regardless of partner chosen because they are uncontrollable. Right now you probably have many mutations within your genes but they don't usually effect people negatively, and sometimes effect them positively. Because mutations are random, uncontrollable and independent of partner. Other diseases can show up in higher risk if they are triggered by recessive genes. But those same risks can be increased if with anybody else. They aren't unique to each family. They aren't rare trading cards. They are common and any partner you choose could have them. And if the gene is dominant then there is absolutely no difference who you choose. And the worst effects only show after many many generations of inbreeding, which would generally have to be forced to happen. In a normal situation two siblings boinking each other wouldn't be much of a concern as even if they had children, they wouldn't automatically be predisposed to incest. Incestual attraction isn't an inheritable trait. And most with such attractions were separated at a young age and reunited much later. All of this is meaningless if the two choose not to have a child and work towards avoiding inbreeding. At that stage, the opposition would merely be against it because they need something to feel morally superior about.




And I have mixed feelings about this decision. On the one hand somebody mentioned that now companies don't have to use a cop out. But on the other hand they also highlighted that in order for the stories to feature blood relatives, the manga can't seem to be for it. So either you can have loving step-siblings, and everybody is happy in their world, or you have blood related siblings and all hell has broken loose. Has anybody ever realized how bad censorship has gotten when in order for something to be shown, there has to be a monster? Somebody has to be wrong, or even evil?

I mean, you have a story and it features siblings, and it is completely wrong and should be banned, but change one of them to be not related and suddenly the two are paragons of morality. I've always viewed morality as being good means you cause nobody any harm, being bad means you harm people. It has to be about actions, that is what you do. Killing hurts people, stealing hurts people. Those are bad. Kissing somebody does not hurt them, at least by itself doesn't. Having sex with them doesn't hurt them if they consented to it. I don't see how by changing one small detail, and that detail being whether the two are in fact blood related changes the action. Even if the two do not have children, they are still treated as if they produced a family of monster mutants.

And monster mutants is really the only offense people have. People are still stuck on this idea that if we allow it to happen, every set of siblings or parents and children will suddenly become so debauched that the human race will become completely sterile or mutated. It's a worst case scenario that just wouldn't happen. Incest is legal in japan and so far it hasn't spawned any four armed children. And yet many children are born with deficiencies even without having parents who are related. Many see them for what they are, human beings that deserve to live a good life with love just as others do. Sure you could pity them, but I think they'd rather have your love and acceptance rather than be treated like they were inferior. Unfortunately people are cruel, in the event a child is born from two siblings or whatever relationship they have, we are always too eager to separate them and treat them like they are garbage, under the guise that we are helping them. It stems from our desire to have a monster to attack. There needs to be a villain in every bad or unfortunate situation.

The difference between a bad and unfortunate situation is that a bad one has a clear victim, an unfortunate situation has a possible victim, at which point it becomes bad. Losing the lottery is unfortunate, losing your home is bad. And we seem all to eager to make a victim, even when there is none, at least yet.

Two siblings in that kind of relationship is unfortunate, but they can make the best of things. We don't need to make it worse than it already is. They never asked to fall in love with each other, nor did they want the years of depression that society wrought upon them for their unfortunate situation. And when we give them the ultimatum that it would be better for one of them to die or be treated as if they had killed somebody, or live the rest of their lives alone, or with somebody they do not love (and believe me being with somebody and at your core being alone is worse than actually being alone). Believe me that it doesn't even take a proactive choice for people to treat you like you're lower than dirt. If they catch even wind that you have any sort of feelings like that, you might as well have done it because they are going to hold you to it.

Jun 24, 2013 9:34 PM by IchigoRadiance

honestly, after all the stuff that is getting animated these past years, i see no reason for them not to approve of Yosuga no Sora.

Sep 30, 2012 12:30 PM by Downgrade355

Ummmm.. The show is already out.. Why does it matter if the government approves of it or not?

Or am I overlooking something?

Jun 21, 2012 9:59 AM by Solo-Maro

Spacebar said:
Hoppy said:
Serious hypocrisy here from Tokyo's dictatorship, it was them that made the last 2 years a nearly complete hellhole for creators and fans alike. Things got banned and restricted, I rather have a formal apology and resignations.


That's how this world works. Full of fucking hypocrites


well youre clearly one of them .

Jun 21, 2012 4:37 AM by zheren

lol, Japanese Government is like Fk it. This is Japan, what can we fking do.... Only in Japan. XD

Jun 20, 2012 10:59 PM by javalu882005

I will admit as from watching the series it does show through the other character how much incest isn't accepted in society. Leaving his sister who doesn't understand the problem. You can tell that the main protagonist does have a difficult time and sees confusion onto what has happened so far as to make it happen or was his sister like this all along.

Jun 4, 2012 3:35 AM by hamstar138

I'm so glad their government recognizes this amazing piece of art. Also, more exposure for Yosuga no Sora so yay!

May 31, 2012 9:22 PM by Mika_Inamori

HYBRID_BEING said:
1.
DraconisMarch said:
Last time I checked, birth defects never resulted in the greater good of mankind.
Last time I checked, people invented contraception and adoption. Inbreeding does increase the chance of birth defects, incest - not necessarily.
Also, hypocrisy at it's finest. Heavy drinking and smoking also increases chances of birth defects, but i never heard them to be frowned upon as much.
2. "Because Deity said it's a sin"
Not an argument for non-believers (and perhaps believers of faiths which don't deem it abnormal, if there are any) as it doesn't answer the question "Why is it considered sin?" Everyone is free to believe or not believe it.
3. Immoral.
Morality is subjected to change with time. Some time ago sex before marriage was considered outrageous. Once forbidden and frowned upon from there on, incest can be accepted again if it won't have any bad effects.

Any more reasons why incest is bad?



its just that the haters from the Church/Mosque are doing their job . No matter what you say, they won't change their point of view. Its their life, don't bother explaining it to them .

May 31, 2012 7:10 PM by Kappa-ing

1.
DraconisMarch said:
Last time I checked, birth defects never resulted in the greater good of mankind.
Last time I checked, people invented contraception and adoption. Inbreeding does increase the chance of birth defects, incest - not necessarily.
Also, hypocrisy at it's finest. Heavy drinking and smoking also increases chances of birth defects, but i never heard them to be frowned upon as much.
2. "Because Deity said it's a sin"
Not an argument for non-believers (and perhaps believers of faiths which don't deem it abnormal, if there are any) as it doesn't answer the question "Why is it considered sin?" Everyone is free to believe or not believe it.
3. Immoral.
Morality is subjected to change with time. Some time ago sex before marriage was considered outrageous. Once forbidden and frowned upon from there on, incest can be accepted again if it won't have any bad effects.

Any more reasons why incest is bad?

May 31, 2012 6:49 PM by HYBRID_BEING

Oh man. Love the show but cannot believe it wasn't approved the by gov't. That is surprising. I want to see what else they will approve.

May 31, 2012 6:14 PM by darkmar7

''Tokyo Government Approves Yosuga no Sora Anime.''
Well Yosuga no Sora Was a good anime so why the fuck not? =)

May 31, 2012 4:23 AM by Juffe

Well i suppose Yosuga No Sora wasn't TOO extreme

May 31, 2012 12:56 AM by MiyatouSeishirou

Ahahaha! Japan never fails to amaze me

May 30, 2012 10:34 PM by LoneWolf1028

Givemeyosandwich said:
The title of this thread kind of gives you the impression that the guys from the Tokyo Government are huge fans of the show...


Check the news out before you start typing . Tokyo Government made the last 2 years a nearly complete hellhole for creators and fans alike. Things got banned and restricted

May 30, 2012 9:01 PM by Kappa-ing

Givemeyosandwich said:
The title of this thread kind of gives you the impression that the guys from the Tokyo Government are huge fans of the show...


Who says they aren't?...

May 30, 2012 8:59 PM by Malware

The title of this thread kind of gives you the impression that the guys from the Tokyo Government are huge fans of the show...

May 30, 2012 8:54 PM by sadpotato250

Coming up next, Boku no Pico is awarded the Nobel Prize of Literature.

May 30, 2012 8:00 PM by LaOveja

^
Like he said. As much as I enjoyed Yosuga no Sora, the controversial content is not the only problem with this series, the script and the time constraints are also worth of criticize.
Weird news if you ask me, though I don´t care much.

May 30, 2012 7:49 PM by Karura_Jiinsaru

Orix said:
To all who thinks that Yosuga no Sora doesn't deserve the approval of the Tokyo Government: Haters gonna hate.

At least this means they are smart enough to watch and properly analyze the story of Yosuga no Sora instead of impulsively labeling it as "incest shit".



After being one of the highest-selling eroge adaptations yet and getting this approval by the government, I have to say that the anime series' production team did a good job in the series.


No it's not just haters hating. It's just the series itself isn't that great. They tried fitting to many girls into 12 episodes. Leading to little character development. Literally a new girl every 2-3 episodes with the first episode being an introduction, the main character is a grade A example of generic besides in the Sora arc(Most of the characters are pretty generic.), the "conflicts" are to simple, easy to read, and finish to quickly. But then I get to fap for about 2 minutes for a nice little sex scene(of course no genitals are shown.)

If you think the reason why so many people have mixed feelings about this show is because of incest that isn't exactly why. I easily can look past it and I find that specific arc to be the best arc in the show. The way everything is just crammed in with 12 episodes though left me feeling really unsatisfied. Although I will say when introducing the incest part it should be more "built up on" instead of surprising the viewer. I remember when I was watching it and they showed:



But their were just a lot of problems with the show itself, not every one who doesn't like the show thinks "incest shit".

Eroge>anime adaption

May 30, 2012 7:34 PM by Ragix