Reply to Ryuseishun
Well I doubt it, since China is so censorship happy and almost always has the most generic writing ever. Exceptions include Link Click and Scissors Seven, yes, but those seems more like outliners. If the only thing they can boast is a handful of great looking animation out of every few hundred entries or so, then it says a lot about the possibility of them taking over (or lack thereof). It’s not 0%, tbf, but it’s not great odds, either.
Ryuseishun said: Well I doubt it, Nope it will. just watch. some of the best animators in anime these days come from china. Donghua is the future! https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/this-week-in-anime/2023-05-11/.197965 https://www.crunchyroll.com/news/latest/2023/5/1/madhouse-mappa-founder-masao-maruyama-warns-chinese-animation-could-outshine-japanese-anime-soon |
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Reply to JoeChip
That video has some really low framerated animation so try a better bait next time
JoeChip said: no different from JJK's. This Chinese director worked on anime too. That video has some really low framerated animation |
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Reply to Tropisch
Haha no, nice joke though. What's up with donghua/manwha shills here lately?
| @Tropisch It's not a joke. it's reality! https://www.crunchyroll.com/news/latest/2023/5/1/madhouse-mappa-founder-masao-maruyama-warns-chinese-animation-could-outshine-japanese-anime-soon |
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| not in a trillion years. chinese cartoons are terrible. |
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| YES!!!! The GLORIOUS People's Republic of China (中华人民共和国) 🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳 will DESTROY Wōguó! (倭国) 🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳 我讨厌美国 Anime will be known once again as Chinese cartoons by the global masses! 毛泽东救救我 Glory to the CCP! 光荣归于中国共产党 Glory to Xi Jinping! 荣耀属于习近平 🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳 |
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| The trailer looks flashy. I've only seen clips of Chinese animation, but I have no doubt that China already has the technical skills and the capital to make super-polished anime. The content is the issue, I think. This trailer too doesn't look particularly interesting or original to me. I see hints of Cyberpunk Edgerunners, Dorohedoro and Jujutsu Kaisen... Is this just "everything cool: the anime"? Also, I'm still not ready to embrace Chinese culture and style. Chinese media still comes across as awkward and foreign to me, compared to how I feel about Japanese culture. I feel they'll have to make something truly extraordinary to break into non-Chinese pop culture. Like Genshin Impact, for example. |
Reply to Old_School_Akira
Ryuseishun said:
Well I doubt it,
Well I doubt it,
Nope it will. just watch. some of the best animators in anime these days come from china.
Donghua is the future!
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/this-week-in-anime/2023-05-11/.197965
https://www.crunchyroll.com/news/latest/2023/5/1/madhouse-mappa-founder-masao-maruyama-warns-chinese-animation-could-outshine-japanese-anime-soon
| @Old_School_Akira Yea thanks for providing "proof" via baseless statements from boomers that don't disprove any of the counter points made in this thread lol. If you were talking about gaming, though, then you'd be onto something. |
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| No. No country that it is normal to poop in public and has turkish toilets will ever surpass Japan in anything. |
| “Hatred, cruelty, lust, pride, bragging, have existed as basic human abilities forever because they are bad and you should never do them.” |
| In quality, it's arguable. In popularity, no chance at all. |
"Molly Ringwald" out right now - check my Linktree!  |
| These are where I consider donghua stronger than anime, if I compare each of their best entries. - 3DCG - Unarmed combat animation |
Old_School_Akira said: I don't think approaching anything with a nationalist inferiority complex helps anyone's cause, just saying.China will surpass Japan! I love donghua, especially the garbage ones (which are about 99% of the total); but it's silly to judge a whole industry based only on the animations of a handful of shows. In fact the donghua I dislike are specifically the ones with the best animations because they feel like a knockoff with no distinct identity. Also, not everything needs to be a competition, but if you do want competition then maybe compete to have better work standards for the creators and the animators than japan. Love yourself more, bro |
RentNoGirlfriendDec 16, 2024 3:29 PM
Reply to perseii
The trailer looks flashy. I've only seen clips of Chinese animation, but I have no doubt that China already has the technical skills and the capital to make super-polished anime.
The content is the issue, I think. This trailer too doesn't look particularly interesting or original to me. I see hints of Cyberpunk Edgerunners, Dorohedoro and Jujutsu Kaisen... Is this just "everything cool: the anime"?
Also, I'm still not ready to embrace Chinese culture and style. Chinese media still comes across as awkward and foreign to me, compared to how I feel about Japanese culture. I feel they'll have to make something truly extraordinary to break into non-Chinese pop culture. Like Genshin Impact, for example.
The content is the issue, I think. This trailer too doesn't look particularly interesting or original to me. I see hints of Cyberpunk Edgerunners, Dorohedoro and Jujutsu Kaisen... Is this just "everything cool: the anime"?
Also, I'm still not ready to embrace Chinese culture and style. Chinese media still comes across as awkward and foreign to me, compared to how I feel about Japanese culture. I feel they'll have to make something truly extraordinary to break into non-Chinese pop culture. Like Genshin Impact, for example.
perseii said: Also, I'm still not ready to embrace Chinese culture and style. I've been ready, but foreigners today better understand the appeal of China than the CCP dynasty does. https://myanimelist.net/anime/4481/Saiyuuki https://myanimelist.net/anime/957/Saiunkoku_Monogatari |
| その目だれの目？ |
| It will? Nah. Japan is just too good at this stuff. It's pretty much what they do better than anybody on this planet. It's like saying one day American Fastfood won't be the most popular in the world anymore. Not happening. |
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| Is there donghua from the 70s, 80s, and 90s you can recommend? If not the answer’s clear to me. |
Teach a man to cook, and he can’t fish. But teach a man to fish, and he feeds himself and cooks. -👧 ( ° ω ˣ ) |
| Unless an engaging story is created, Chinese anime has yet to surpass Japanese ...... I think. I also think that China has stricter restrictions on story content than Japan. So I don't think it is possible to create a free story. As I recall, China had some restrictions on viewing anime, even the Demon Slayer anime, due to regulations specific to the Chinese market, right? |
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| That trailer looks great! I've been meaning to check out some of the Chinese anthologies for a while. There have been a number of promising works form China coming out in recent years (and they've produced good animation for a very long time - https://myanimelist.net/anime/producer/471/Shanghai_Animation_Film_Studio). However, just like anime, among the highlights are a lot of things which just don't look appealing. |
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Reply to Old_School_Akira
@AMBITZZ Master Nobody.
I can't find it on MAL. I saw it posted here https://www.instagram.com/catsuka/reel/DDjWIAlJjC0/
and here https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxLlmWu7eCF7hf2tUjlv4s7SsmxgVWmBWh
I can't find it on MAL. I saw it posted here https://www.instagram.com/catsuka/reel/DDjWIAlJjC0/
and here https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxLlmWu7eCF7hf2tUjlv4s7SsmxgVWmBWh
| @Old_School_Akira https://myanimelist.net/anime/60442/Jiaonang_Jihua__Yingxiong @AMBITZZ |
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| There is... one Donghua in MAL's top 50. I don't think that change is coming anytime soon, if it's coming at all. Also I've yet to see anything from the Chinese media scene that makes me feel the emotions that a number of anime have made me feel. It's well-made, but the bombastic, overcreated emotions, ideals, and motivations just aren't there, it feels like, to me. Everyone seems so... restrained. The appearance of animation isn't the only thing people like about an anime. |
Timeline_manDec 16, 2024 8:36 PM
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| I notice when I check the user recs for my favorite Chinese animation, the top recs are Japanese titles. I question if China has made anything else worth watching. https://myanimelist.net/anime/10259/Da_Yu_Hai_Tang_Movie/userrecs |
| その目だれの目？ |
| No I don't think it will to be honest. But I will be waiting for more Ravages of Time seasons. |
| Donghua is on the rise and causing quite the stir among fans like this OP, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. anime has been ruling the animation kingdom for decades with an iron (and often sparkly) fist. It's got a massive, global fanbase that Donghua is just beginning to tap into. Donghua is like that up-and-coming diva who's starting to steal the spotlight at the grand ball. But surpassing anime? That's a tall order. Anime's crown isn't slipping off its head just yet or ever. |
| Unpopular opinion in this thread but if the current stagnation problem in Japan anime still not resolved then it might be happen. |
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| @Kwanthemaster hey thank you so much |
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Timeline_man said: There is... one Donghua in MAL's top 50 Tho it has 33 entries from 16 franchises in MAL's top 50 ONA - https://myanimelist.net/topanime.php?type=ona One of those is Zhan Shen: Fanchen Shenyu (Slay The Gods) which is quite new and relatively short (only 15 episodes), thus didn't have the time to accumulate a "cult following" like Mo Dao Zu Shi or Wu Liuqi for example. |
| Maybe but I don't really like Donghua. I don't like the animation, I prefer more simple animation. Also their plots are so boring. |
| all that and i still can't be bothered to check that out, so nah. |
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Reply to ryzxgum
all that and i still can't be bothered to check that out, so nah.
| @ryzxgum why not? Try something new. |
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| Donghua tend to have very good animation, and I've seen a couple that I really like. However, they don't seem to have as wide of an audience outside China & Asia like anime does, so I don't see Donghua overtaking anime in the near future, although I can definitely see it being more popular. The show "Link Click" is probably a good example of this. However, I do see Manhwa growing massively in popularity, and at many bookstores and libraries I frequent now often have manhwa on the shelves, aside from the fact that they're usually easily available online. Although some manhwa have been adopted into anime (like Solo Leveling, Tower of God, etc) it is far more common for them to be adopted into Donghuas (The girl next door, Mom I'm sorry, etc) . If there is an increase in Donghua which are adaptations of popular web comics than I can definitely see that in aiding in its popularity. |
Reply to Old_School_Akira
@ryzxgum why not? Try something new.
| @Old_School_Akira i have tried one in the past, and that's link click- which actually didn't really click with me me. nice visuals though. |
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| Looking at Link Click it won't be a wow answer to say that Chinese donghua (or maybe Sino-Japanese anime, funded and produced by Chinese, dubbed by Japanese) will surpass anime. It's easy to nuke Japanese industry with better wages and organising. But Chinese are yet to make their Evangelion and Oregairu. |
| Хайде, хайде, хайде, това е първата зона, брато, първа зона, първа зона, добре, добре, добре, това става тук горе, отива тук горе, само спокойно, само спокойно... Ха, отдясно е, навсякъде отдясно отдясно къде е дясното ти о да добре добре добре тихо мълчаливо не успях да се съсредоточа върху това ЕХ ТЪПАК КОГАТО СИ БАВНО БАВНО ... ой е путката на моето момиче прасе куче, аз Чувствам се добре, о, мамо, *шамар*, какво е това госпожице татко- |
| The Chinese are certainly trying. I think BiliBili has been making a name for themselves recently. If they'd just stop cheaping out on some of their animation production, they'd be near the top with some of the Japanese producers. My guess is, if the Chinese really get serious about it, donghua will surpass anime in the not too distant future. Regardless, I hope some competition will get the Japanese producers off their fat, lazy, complacent asses, and back to making real quality again. |
Reply to Librasta
1. OP has a shit taste in Chinese
2. Fuck the Chinese for butchering Ravages of Time with their "cutting edge CGI"
3. 95% of Donghua, Manhua and Webnovel nowadays are straight up bad (and i'm saying this as a guy who grew up with Chinese films, Hongkong Comics and Chinese TV drama)
4. Did I say OP has a shit taste in Chinese?
2. Fuck the Chinese for butchering Ravages of Time with their "cutting edge CGI"
3. 95% of Donghua, Manhua and Webnovel nowadays are straight up bad (and i'm saying this as a guy who grew up with Chinese films, Hongkong Comics and Chinese TV drama)
4. Did I say OP has a shit taste in Chinese?
Librasta said: Did I say OP has a shit taste in Chinese? Yes you did. Twice 🙄 Calm down buddy. |
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Reply to joemaamah
The Chinese are certainly trying. I think BiliBili has been making a name for themselves recently. If they'd just stop cheaping out on some of their animation production, they'd be near the top with some of the Japanese producers. My guess is, if the Chinese really get serious about it, donghua will surpass anime in the not too distant future. Regardless, I hope some competition will get the Japanese producers off their fat, lazy, complacent asses, and back to making real quality again.
joemaamah said: The Chinese are certainly trying. I think BiliBili has been making a name for themselves recently. I agree. This Bilibili YouTube channel is how learned about donghua. I wish MAL would add a donghua tag to all the donghua on this site. |
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| I think there is a good chance that one day, donghua will surpass anime in popularity. Be prepared to gatekeep donghua if you're in the fandom. |
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