| I was on episodes 2 of sono bisque doll with my gf when one scene came up and we had to pause for 30 minutes. Stop blaming Anime for japan's sexlessness. |
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| Is Japan sexless though? Seems more commitment-less. |
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| Does anyone actually seriously say that? This uses 2015 data In the logistic regression analyses, several factors associated with heterosexual inexperience were identified. (Table 2) For example, among men aged 25–39 years, part-time or temporary employment (aOR vs. regular employee, 3.82 [95% CI, 3.04 to 4.80]) and unemployment (aOR, 7.87 [95% CI, 6.06 to 10.23]) were associated with a higher likelihood of being heterosexually inexperienced. Conversely, among women, unemployment was associated with a lower likelihood of having no heterosexual experience. While the aOR for heterosexual inexperience decreased with each increase in annual income category among men, the aOR was lowest in women with the least income. In both sexes, the highest aORs for heterosexual inexperience were observed for those residing in the Kanto, Kinki and Chubu regions, while the lowest aORs were in Kyushu/Okinawa and Hokkaido. Compared to non-densely inhabited areas, residence in a densely inhabited area with over 1 million inhabitants was associated with a lower likelihood of heterosexual inexperience for men. The directions of the associations were largely similar among 18–24-year-olds, although there was no trend of a higher likelihood of heterosexual inexperience among women with higher income, and the Kanto (men and women), Hokkaido (women) and Chugoku/Shikoku (women) regions had the highest aORs. https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12889-019-6677-5 If any of you can read Japanese this is the 2021 survey. The first pdf link is the full version this page is just summary. https://www.ipss.go.jp/ps-doukou/j/doukou16/doukou16_gaiyo.asp |
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| Cost of living, less secure employment, out-of-whack work life balance probably plays a way bigger part in low fertility rates than any other factor. Should also be noted that while fertility rates in Japan are bad, they are even worse in South Korea. This suggests that anime or "herbivore" men are not really to blame for the low rates unless you argue South Korean men are even more passive/watch more anime than their Japanese counterparts. You know what I think? That South Korea places even more pressure in succeeding academically and financially than even than Japan (South Koreans have an out-of-control tutor industry). Hence the lower birth rates. I also don't believe many people think anime is the real culprit for low fertility rates. If anyone does says it, I bet it is used as a scapegoat as the solutions would be way harder to address. Bit like how some people say video games are responsible for making kids violent. |
| raise incomes reduce working hours for full time workers lessen stigma of not working overtime there you go |
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Is Japan sexless though? Seems more commitment-less.
0arche said: Is Japan sexless though? Seems more commitment-less. Correct Why bother having children, when there's not going to be any exclusivity in the relationship? |
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| Lol. This issue is rapidly approaching irrelevancy for those with the will. |
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| Truth is that women want tall pretty boys, and Japan's short average height makes that a extreme rarity there. Thus the low birth rate. I see the hikikimori as the sub fives of the east. A lot of people might get offended at the idea that your hobbies do not make you any more or less attractive to others since it goes against grind culture. |
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| They should just convert to Catholicism. |
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Theo1899 said:
They should just convert to Catholicism.
They should just convert to Catholicism.
They tried it in the past around the 16th-17th century, but failed.
| @MalchikRepaid One of the reasons they failed was due to Protestant infuence at the court which sounds like something straight out of a European kingdom at the time. |
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| The truth is most developed countries have very low birth rates and ageing populations, the difference is many western countries just have tons of immigration to temporarily hide the issues while Japan doesn't, and all the uneducated people think low birth rates is somehow a uniquely Japanese problem because of anime, hikikomori, "herbivore men", or other nonsense (just look at some of the posts in this thread). Countries like Italy, Spain, and Poland have even lower fertility rates than Japan, and many other western countries are only barely higher. Is that because of anime too? lol. |
| I don't think anyone is making the case that it's the sole cause, beyond casual hyperbole - but it is an indicator of negativity which is engaged in a positive feedback loop with its source. As many posters in this thread have already pointed out, its more that people do not have the time nor money for relationships or having children - in scenarios like these you're more susceptible to waste the little time and money you do have on stupid bullshit, meaning it replicates itself more through the resources it accrues, meaning more people are influenced by it as it becomes more specialised at catering to the relevant interests. It feels like "advanced" "modern" societies give people every reason to not be in long-term relationships: they have become de-sacralised, so they hold no inherent importance and people will only enter one if they get something out of it personally (or unless they cave into the echoes of social pressure), and that "something" is increasingly being outsourced to insubstantial and often unhealthy garbage; Horny? jack off, or hire a prostitute if you have the cash. Lonely? insulate your feelings with endless social interaction online. Want to spend time with a human being intimately irl? Have a one night stand or anything equally non-committal until you're bored/frustrated about having to make compromises. @OfficerPoon It's true that the hikikimori/NEET phenomenon is basically proto-incel culture, at least insofar as the causes are basically the same. Some degree of female sexual selectivity puts a healthy eugenic evolutionary pressure on the gene pool, but since the 60s the western world (and Japan IS mostly culturally western, despite being eastern geographically) has gotten absolutely unhinged with its deference to women's increasingly delusional expectations in terms of what men must look like, how they must act, how much money they make, how they must make women feel 24/7, etc. And I'm not making some anti-woman point here; women are the more sexually selective gender, which is good to a degree and works well when there are counterweights to this impulse keeping things in harmony. (Giving men incentive to work for women's commitment, giving them a sense of security by either making divorce incredibly taboo or legally painful for women, at least some cultural weight put on men's expectations of how women should look and behave as a counterbalance to the incredible focus we put on woman's preferences, etc.) But that sexual selectivity will get as delusional and unchecked as society lets it. See: the whole "ick" phenomenon, where "pretty" but incredibly unhappy looking white girls with insane looking eyes who take 5+ antidepressants every day performatively boast on social media about losing interest in their boyfriend if he's "allergic to pollen," if he owns navy blue sheets, etc. It's insanity but you're not allowed to call it insane. So rather than deal with the social punishment of calling it insane, hikikimoris make a judgment call that the way society is right now isn't a sensible or fair calculated risk, and withdraw. You can blame hikikimoris/incels for making that call, but over the decades young men will keep making that call over and over until we don't have a society anymore. Or you can realize these people are reacting to a serious cultural problem. Not an incorrect analysis, but the first step to making a change within any society that faces these issues is immediately expunging these victim narratives that low caste mongrels love. These issues do not exist in vacuums - female behaviour, societally, is moulded into its present shape by male behaviour. That is not to say they lack agency but, unless you're going to buy into the same equality narrative you're supposedly rejecting, the responsibility is yours to influence societal change and therefore the behaviour of women; It's very obvious that this incel nonsense isn't working and only accelerating the problems it's a reaction to (or we can let the real eugenic evolutionary pressure kick in). This is a good opportunity to remember that the suffragette movement was the brainchild not of Emmeline Pankhurst, but her husband, who was the 19th century equivalent of a left-wing extremist. @Theo1899 @ MalchikRepaid One of the reasons they failed was due to Protestant infuence at the court which sounds like something straight out of a European kingdom at the time. It didn't work because unlike the disenfranchising, impoverished and often multi-ethnic & urban stratums of society that Christianity was successful in, the Japanese have no need for a foreign salvationary religion which is uncompromising to their existing religio-ethnic perspective. Plainly stated: it doesn't achieve any functions for them that their current worldview doesn't already satisfy. This is why, on the contrary, Christianity has been successful in South Korea; a nation with a long history of having its agency undermined by foreign interests, often in violent ways, which has led to gaps opening in anthropic narratives. |
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| Just play Brazilian funk and the birth rate will increase, trust me. |
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Theo1899 said:
One of the reasons they failed was due to Protestant infuence at the court which sounds like something straight out of a European kingdom at the time.
One of the reasons they failed was due to Protestant infuence at the court which sounds like something straight out of a European kingdom at the time.
I'm talking about the anti-Christian policies right before the establishment of the Tokugawa Shogunate.
| @MalchikRepaid Me too. One of the reasons behind Tokugawa Ieyasu's anti-Catholicism was his protestant advisor William Adams. |
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| Ok but why did you pause the episode for 30 minutes? please explain |
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Ok but why did you pause the episode for 30 minutes? please explain
| @Mirai because he tapped her clit and my girl wanted the same |
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| [Looks at Japanese Television] Of course they have low birthrates, they die of cringe from their local media before they could procreate. jk |
 "Don't let your memes be dreams."- Ancient Japanese proverb, probably |
| Overwork and not enough down time. tends to be a major cause in declining birth rates. However lowering birth rates isn't bad when we already suffer from over population. This is only considered a problem because of capitalistic interest. Less people means less products being sold and decline in a work force. That's why the simple solution of paying better wages and giving more time off is never implemented. Even though it's an obvious solution. |
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| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus  |
| There's so many factors that we, as foreigners, from the outside, don't even know about. So I think it's pretty bad to assume what's really messing up their birth rate. It certainly isn't anime. Could be societal issues, japanese ppl tend to be more shy and less likely to approach someone, etc. Could be so many things. I actually don't even know if this is a serious topic. I legit just saw OP mention "tapped the clit" on an earlier post. Tf is going on here. |
| Does anyone know of a forum that has new topics every day with a lot of users with anime avatars? Not necessarily all anime avatars, but some are enough. I want to find a forum like MAL but with several daily users and daily threads. I had an account on NEETS.Net but I got banned. |
| Is anime to blame for the low birth rates in the rest of East Asia, Europe, or North America or is Japan one isolated case that would be having all the babies if it weren't for anime while the rest of the countries with low birth rates have more valid excuses? |
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| Japanese people are a lot like pandas, in that they're both Asians that are actively living a lifestyle that greatly impacts their quality of life and birthrate. I'm resisting the urge to make a tiny penis joke, because apparently that's a thing pandas deal with. |
| So it's a coincidence that practically all countries with high media consumption have low birth rates? |
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| Reproduction is one of the worst ideas possible. Especially with NTHE fast arriving. Just stick to your anime girls and hentai, instead of adding more helpless children into this miserable, horrible civilization. |
| Here is my Pixiv account of my hentai drawings..... https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/104739065 Here is my blog.... https://theendofindustrialcivilization.blogspot.com/?m=1 |
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