Is modern anime so bad now that even mediocre movies/tv series are superior?

Modern TV and movies are the trashiest it's ever been in the history of its existence. He must be trolling.

Both movies and animes suck nowadays. People are just clout chasing to whatever's popular right now without thinking the quality of plot, characters, script, etc.

Anime has never been indefinitely superior to western tv shows. It is just the skewed notion of anime fans that make them seem so (and I include myself in that). Yeah, there are a lot of masterpieces in anime, both so there is a lot of shit, both in the past and now.

IMO Arcane tops most of the anime done in the last 10 or so years. But that's not because anime is getting worse, it's just that Arcane is way too good.

@Natsuki_SanJuan Bruh, pluto came out this week. PLUTO!!

I can name you 50 great anime from the past 2-3 years right now, half of which you probably have not seen.

@APolygons2 did I say Pluto? What are you smoking? Also I can name you more than that animes which are good also. I was going to say demon slayer for the anime and Barbie for the movie.

And for the record, I watch more animes than you. Watch at least 700+ then we'll talk.

@APolygons2 Is Demon Slayer not a modern anime? I'm sure it's a modern anime... Also Jobless Reincarnation and Tokyo Revengers. I forced myself to watch the second season to see if the story improves but meh... Oshi no Ko is good actually but it's also a generic drama. Idk why most people see it as the second coming of Christ or something but there are tons of other animes that had that the same formula.

Kanokari sucks but if you see it in broad perspective, it's realistic. Some guys can act like losers and not perfect ones. Take Love Hina also for example.

"There’s a very famous Greek anime review that’s known for bashing numerous popular anime/manga and is worshipped as the best reviewer out there for anime given his “critical thinking” and the fact that he’s seen over 2000 anime."

Wait, are we talking about ThatAnimeSnob?
Dude can't let go trashing low hanging fruit AniTubers like Chibi Reveiws and alike. Also each year we have some actually good anime which don't get popular and he never comments on those. He is stuck in the 90s and the 00s...I think.


Dude, don't bringing doghua, it's part from a different cultural process than anime.



Some of those are deeply flawed tho: Vanitas rushes the source material and becomes nonsensical at places, 86 is too superficial for its serious themes, Beastars becomes nonsensical in it's second season, Bocchi is kind of mid despite being hyped to the heavens, Fruits Basket is your regular shoujo drama, noting to write home about (not to mention the manga is a product from different times) ect.
Like you mentioned some good stuff too...but point is, not everyone will agree with your list,

Nothing bothers me on the MAL forums, just saying donghua it's kind of a different thing, thus the different term.


But your main disagreement is with Natsuki_SanJuan. My point was that you should find out what they liked from modern anime, not you (or your idea what people liked from this period).

Yes and that's counter productive when you try to convince a person that indeed, there are some good shows too.

Yes and that's counter productive when you try to convince a person that indeed, there are some good shows too.

Are you trying to mess with me or are genuinely not getting the point?

I named 30 shows BECAUSE I knew he or anyone else wouldn't agree with all of them.

it's a sheer numbers games. you name enough shows that are beloved and (imo) great, and anyone will find a good amount that they like or love.

Actually I (almost) never pretend, this makes me non-hypocrite (only a little).


Only if you wanted to convince me (which you don't need to, since I like some new shows even some popular ones)...not Natsuki_SanJuan.
My "deeply flowed" list was just an example, I bet Natsuki_SanJuan would have their own take.


This is not true, you are just prejudice of me being a hater or something. I am plain simply an egoist. Can't feel empathy for people liking stuff I don't, which doesn't mean I hate them.


It is you who don't get my stance...despite claiming "I try to understand everyone".

What you are trying here is pushing some sort of anime collectivism. This thing doesn't work even inside the big fandoms and you expect to have it everywhere.
What I am saying is to have more individualistic approach instead of "Let's be one big happy family!".


Imagine someone agreeing that a show they deeply dislike is actually great, amazing even... The closest you can do is to convince them, that there are enough interesting titles to check out.


If you list a lot of stuff they dislike it wouldn't work. This is why pinpointing their interests is important.


Believe me, even 15-30% can aliened people...I can tell after decades of recommending anime.


Not really, you simply alienated those guys.


One of the complaints I usually get is:
- Your list of recommendations is too long. I don't have that much free time.
- Check the their posters and descriptions, pick only one or two, drop after an episode if you dislike.
- Naaah, I want shows which I will like immediately.


I could continue, those were just examples. I could even list the ones I liked.
My point was for you to check Natsuki_SanJuan list (yes you did that later with no sensible conclusions)...or maybe ask what they liked and why.


Not gonna happen, people don't work like that.


Aaand good is subjective, this is why you should pinpoint instead of carpet bomb.


Why not going that for them, since I already know that info?



Listing those in your original post is like going all tsundere on Natsuki_SanJuan.


You could do the job if you confronted them about the recent 9s and the 10s in their list.


The forum user is not important (this is why I am not tagging them), it's your "carpet bombing" method which wouldn't work for many more users.


Not really since those were my takes about some supposedly flowed anime. just examples. I wouldn't comment from the perspective of Natsuki_SanJuan only based on their scores.

@APolygons2
You are absolutely right. If you had named fewer than 10 shows, I would have probably complained that none of your picks are good.
And I actually did try most of those and drop almost half, because playing the "numbers game" is how I find most of my favorites.

why are you naming these like these are the only modern anime that exist?

Made in abyss, sonny boy, odd taxi, link click, megalo box (specially nomad), Case study of vanitas, vinland saga, the first slam dunk, pluto, love is war, heavenly delusions, cyberpunk edge runers, akudama drive, beastars, mob psycho 100, bocchi the rock, Friren, Chainsaw man, fruits basket, summer time render, 86, shadows house, Jojo's bizzare adventure part 5 and 6, konosuba, Id:invaded, sk8, gundam witch, The Apothecary Diaries, Skip and Loafer, NieR:Automata Ver1.1a, bungo stray dogs s4, blue lock, akiba maid war, ya boy kongming, kingdom season 3 and 4

and I could name SO many many many more. even if you happened to think half of these are not good, that's still a shit ton of anime from the past 3-4 years.

you can't three examples of shows that aren't even really bad.

I personally would say they are: Demon slayer 6/10, oshi no ko 7.5/10, mushoku tensei 8/10.

but that's my take, the thing about great anime is, there is a lot of it, and I am sure there are many many that you would love if you had watched them. If you can't find them you either don't know your taste, or you aren't looking hard enough.

@APolygons2 the animes you've mentioned are mostly like a pretty newbie casual starter pack lmao

And I don't remember rating sk8 5/10. But thanks for stopping by my list.

But yeah... Sure... Whatever...

I wanted it to be mostly safe-ish picks.

I could have went on to name some of my personal favourites that not a soul gives a damn about like princess principal, ACCA 13 or specially mars red which I REALLY like.

but I thought Naming great modern anime that only I have seen and their reception is just good-negative would be stupid of me lol



I do get the point though, A lot of less than great shows get super popular nowdays, while as far as I can think, the vast majority of the popular older shows are great. I think that's mostly the whole "standing the test of time" thing, having it's affect but still!

@APolygons2 Think of this. If I recommend some animes to a newbie and I say Demon Slayer, Oshi no Ko, Love is War, Tokyo Revengers, etc., the newbie will think those animes are the best and like a second coming of Christ and by that, they will always stick to mainstream. Who the heck is going to think that Horimiya is the best romance anime of all time when there are other better romance out there.


You were saying earlier that "many old shows from the past 3-4 years etc./older shows are great" is not going to happen. Remember that most of the modern animes that are being recommend aren't that good like those animes I've mentioned.

You can't recommend Serial Experiments Lain on a newbie because most of the newbies prefers modern anime with hybrid animation. Unless those newbies would have broader perspective in terms of watching older animes like I do.

And I've been to some anime recommendations on FB and all I can see at their recommendations are the ones that you and I have mentioned.

I wanted it to be mostly safe-ish picks.

I could have went on to name some of my personal favourites that not a soul gives a damn about like princess principal, ACCA 13 or specially mars red which I REALLY like.

but I thought Naming great modern anime that only I have seen and their reception is just good-negative would be stupid of me lol



I do get the point though, A lot of less than great shows get super popular nowdays, while as far as I can think, the vast majority of the popular older shows are great. I think that's mostly the whole "standing the test of time" thing, having it's affect but still!

Kaguya sama is fantastic imo, and Oshi no ko is a really solid show.

I agree on TR and DS though.

Lain is a very weird example cause I would have a hard time suggesting it to even the most hardcore of anime fans. it's a slow, artsy, confusing show that is far from being friendly. lain would be hard to suggest even if it came out today, I mean look at sonny boy. That's my personal favourite "artsy" show, and It is both extremely clean in it's visuals and came out super recently.

It's already a cult classic, but it's not exactly mainstream or anything close to that.

stuff like death note, perfect blue, and evangelion are still super popular among the right people.



There are a lot of top tier causal friendly shows that are super popular.

I think CSM and jujutsu kaisen are both great, Vinland saga is a modern masterpiece, same with mob psycho 100.

And made in abyss is not exactly less popular than tokyo revengers, same with jojo.

Literally what is a Greek anime review?

I don't watch tv shows or movies so I wouldn't know, but if movies were better than anime, I would be watching those instead.

Kaguya sama is good but not the best. I still found School Rumble to be more well written than that. The characters in kaguya were like autistic but in School Rumble were eccentric. In terms of story, kaguya sama somewhat meh... and it was getting pretentious over and over again. The mind battles were just... Pretentious and their buildup to their relationship. Why? Because of the narrator of the show. Story? There's no story there except for the Ishigami arc in S2. I just stayed for the comedy, that's all.

And yet I still don't know why they said that Kaguya sama is the best romcom of all time. It's still popular so it's still a mainstream.

So if you're saying that the popular shows are cult classic, then some mid shows like BNHA, Tokyo Revengers, DS, even Spy x Family (For the love of Pete this is so bad), etc. are considered as cult classic?

@Yuu_Kanzaki
OP meant "reviewer"...which ThatAnimeSnob isn't 90% of the time. Both forgot to mention that they are talking about live action movies. Also the OP is referencing this video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leUFcaiaYpY

It's like a troll post about a troll video.