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| Thus the trainwreck of a production that is Kancolle Itsu Umi comes to an end... Some questionable things with the timeline of events and pacing for the episode and why it was ordered in such a way...as well as answers for what really is the universe this show is set in...one shouldn't be overthinking it too much, really. The animation surprisingly not the most refined for the final episode, but still visually appealing for the most part. Tragic...what this show could have been. It seems like a heartfelt tribute nonetheless...... |
| This was the longest 8 episode anime ever, lol. Satisfying finale, I guess. Overall, a decent season. |
SerafosMar 25, 2023 6:39 AM
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| So..... the ending is the time skip to the present time??! wha..... 😲 If the time skip is real, not someone's dream. Well..., it's nice to see that everyone is still alive and healthy after the war. |
何それ？意味分かんない  |
| Thankfully we never face that kind of air raid ingame. The strike of Yamato's fleet really was beautiful but yet equally tragic as well. Never expected a friendly fleet to arrive in form of Vicky and Iowa's fleets though. In the end thanks to the sacrifices of so many they managed to put an end to the war and usher in a new era of peace for both shipgirls and civs alike. It was fun seeing the girls in casual clothes enjoying the peace that they fought so hard to obtain. Though the thought of Abukuma as a teacher really brings a smile to my face. But looks like the retirement rule really was put to great usage here and allow the girls to enjoy their new life. As a finale overall i really enjoyed it and it had plenty of action and moments that made each girl stand out. Though i didn't really like that weird light that was prseent when Yamato's fleet was fighting. |
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| Nice finale it was great to see the girls all survived and can enjoy a life of peace |
| Was a cool episode, I guess. With the Royal Navy and Iowa appearing. After the first season and the movie, I was coming with good expectations, and now fear just thinking of another Kancolle season. The production really stabbed the IP. With the delays and all, the spark to keep watching died and was too late to turn back. |
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What a mess. Perhaps I am biased because I expected 2nd season to be on par with the OVA, but I disliked this season from the first episode. Although the final episode had some really good elements, it was too messy for me to enjoy, as for the most time I was trying to figure out what was going on, e.g.
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| the one riding motorcycle at the end ep is Isokaze right? |
| Maybe I'm wrong but from what I understood they won but they all died and then they reincarnated in modern Japan as normal girls. I appreciated the series even with all production trouble it had... |
| With that title, I did expect this kind of ending, but boy, it was...something. It's not an excuse for its quality, but this anime feels like passion project that some circle would do for Comiket. They don't care if it's bad as long they get to do what they want. It's no longer making an anime to sell the browser game to them, but just for the sake of it. The characters are handled slightly better here (no blatant flanderization which was rife in the first anime), but no improvement in the way they're utilized. Artistic direction is better, but ends up wasted too because the script is a terrible mess. In the end, it pleases no one. |
Franz_Furantsu said: It's not just the girls. Admiral and mechanic guy are there too. The "1944" part throws people off, but I don't think that's the year the story takes place in. In other words, they have been fighting the abyssal fleet in the present day.Maybe I'm wrong but from what I understood they won but they all died and then they reincarnated in modern Japan as normal girls. That's probably also why the ED theme is written as Mirai (future) but read as Ima (now). For the shipgirls, a peaceful era feels like a faraway future, mainly because they still have to fight the war against abyssal fleet even after being reborn as metahuman sort of beings. However, once the threat is gone (for now?), they can finally enjoy their peace in the present day. |
IndioraMar 25, 2023 4:57 PM
| As predicted the ending was something of a downer. I liked season 1 a whole lot more. This one had more heart, but we all knew this one wasn't going to have a happy end, even if they all did get reincarnated. |
PancakeTheReaper said: What a mess. Perhaps I am biased because I expected 2nd season to be on par with the OVA, but I disliked this season from the first episode. Although the final episode had some really good elements, it was too messy for me to enjoy, as for the most time I was trying to figure out what was going on, e.g. Why did they introduce themselves as "Rolay Navy"? They are an American fleet, not British. warspite and the few boats around her (jervis whose name I remember) were the royal navy. they arrived when Iowa did, but they're not the same fleet. We watched them for 10s and then they disappeared? What happened to them? I think it was implied that they all sunk. How did Yamato know Iowa's name? the big 7 knows about each other somehow in game. (I think iowa and yamato are friends ingame as well. just like how yamato is friends with houshou) Is this the same universe as S1 and OVA? I think so, but it was not mentioned or referenced at all. two different desdiv4 can exist at two different ports by the game's logic. The final episode felt rushed, so why was most of the season so slow-paced? because this anime was in development hell forever. it was announced when s1 ended. the entry page says it was planned for 12 episodes but they shortened it. I enjoyed the heart-warming epilogue, but I would enjoy it even more if it was revealed what we were watching exactly. assuming the ships all died it means they got reincarnated, somehow even though they turn into abyssals when they die. maybe it was mutual destruction this time and they ascended. they visited the yamato museum which means: they are now in our world. my reasoning is: when a kanmusu sinks she turns into an abyssal, according to tanaka and he runs the game. it was implied during the movie that kanmusu are the spirits of sunken ships, and abyssals are the wrecks themselves fueled by the urge to return to the dock/land/admiral. so the wrecked kanmusu equipment can't really exist, since a sunken ship is an abyssal, and a dead abyssal is a kanmusu. therefore it's real equipment from a real ship. I honestly think it was just a metaphor. "look we anthropomorphized our old warships and now they live with us as anime girls" Last but not least. What was the meaning of all those tangerines shown through the entire season??? don't know. I think it's more important who gave her the tangerines. but I can't help you there. I kinda liked it more than the original anime. I wish kancolle's dev team/license holders weren't absolutely incompetent. |
| 馬鹿げた倫理 全部ガラクタで |
| It feels weird to say this, but it's good to see KanColle Season 2 finally come to an end and it took a bloody long time to get to this point. XD The last battle had some nice visual and animated moments, but it was also sad at the same time seeing the ship girls getting severely damaged left, right and centre. The appearance of Iowa and the Royal Navy was something I didn't expect, but it was a cool moment nonetheless. Same with the ED credits, showing all of the ship girls, including the admiral himself, in modern day Japan, wearing nice casual clothing as they explore the sights. Shigure was on a sailing boat on her own and she also looked cute in her white dress. =) Overall, KanColle Season 2 does leave me feeling rather conflicted. Considering how long us fans had to wait after the original second season announcement so many years ago, seeing it being an 8 episode run was unfortunate, but having to put up with constant delays only made it more irritating. I won't deny that it did effect my enjoyment of the series a bit. Season 1 had its own good and iffy moments that some fans are either enjoy or are not fond about it, but for myself, I prefer it over season 2, with the 2016 movie being the best of the bunch. 6/10 will be my final score. Really nice visuals and sombre setting, but the small episode run and awful delays hurt the enjoyment of the series slightly. It's going to be one of those "What if" moments whenever I think of this second season for the foreseeable future. |
Indiora said: Franz_Furantsu said: It's not just the girls. Admiral and mechanic guy are there too. The "1944" part throws people off, but I don't think that's the year the story takes place in. In other words, they have been fighting the abyssal fleet in the present day.Maybe I'm wrong but from what I understood they won but they all died and then they reincarnated in modern Japan as normal girls. That's probably also why the ED theme is written as Mirai (future) but read as Ima (now). For the shipgirls, a peaceful era feels like a faraway future, mainly because they still have to fight the war against abyssal fleet even after being reborn as metahuman sort of beings. However, once the threat is gone (for now?), they can finally enjoy their peace in the present day. Probably you're right, but the interpretation remains open (probably is something intentional), as you pointed out correctly it's not very clear because of the "1944" thing ad other things, for example the fact that the years of birth and death are shown for every ship-girl at the end of the episode: Is it only a sort of final tribute to the real ships of the IJN in WW2? (as it is the purpose of the whole game/anime in the end...) but I'm not completely sure about it, also because Shigure is actually shown to sink deep in the ocean: And also it seems to be present effectively a realistic difference in technology/architecture between the WW2 style Sasebo, Kure etc. naval bases and the modern Tokyo in the final scenes. However it's difficult to analyze Kancolle timeline setting, because it is never explained clearly, it's a sort of alternative timeline/world with meta-girl-ships in an alternative World-War against Abyssals so everything could be correct or wrong if they don't explain a sort of "canon". In the end I liked the message of peace and to remember the tragedy of war, the dedication: "To all those who live NOW, in the FUTURE", as you said a sort of connection between Mirai (future) and Ima (now), but I think it is obviously implied that the war was in the past, and now is the present/future, so there is a time swap, anyway it's difficult to understand what it is symbolic or not, we don't know the mind of the authors so we could fall in a sort of philosophical speculation... XD ;) the message is metatemporal. |
Franz_FurantsuMar 26, 2023 5:09 AM
nyugvo6 said: PancakeTheReaper said: What a mess. Perhaps I am biased because I expected 2nd season to be on par with the OVA, but I disliked this season from the first episode. Although the final episode had some really good elements, it was too messy for me to enjoy, as for the most time I was trying to figure out what was going on, e.g. Why did they introduce themselves as "Rolay Navy"? They are an American fleet, not British. warspite and the few boats around her (jervis whose name I remember) were the royal navy. they arrived when Iowa did, but they're not the same fleet. We watched them for 10s and then they disappeared? What happened to them? I think it was implied that they all sunk. How did Yamato know Iowa's name? the big 7 knows about each other somehow in game. (I think iowa and yamato are friends ingame as well. just like how yamato is friends with houshou) Is this the same universe as S1 and OVA? I think so, but it was not mentioned or referenced at all. two different desdiv4 can exist at two different ports by the game's logic. The final episode felt rushed, so why was most of the season so slow-paced? because this anime was in development hell forever. it was announced when s1 ended. the entry page says it was planned for 12 episodes but they shortened it. I enjoyed the heart-warming epilogue, but I would enjoy it even more if it was revealed what we were watching exactly. assuming the ships all died it means they got reincarnated, somehow even though they turn into abyssals when they die. maybe it was mutual destruction this time and they ascended. they visited the yamato museum which means: they are now in our world. my reasoning is: when a kanmusu sinks she turns into an abyssal, according to tanaka and he runs the game. it was implied during the movie that kanmusu are the spirits of sunken ships, and abyssals are the wrecks themselves fueled by the urge to return to the dock/land/admiral. so the wrecked kanmusu equipment can't really exist, since a sunken ship is an abyssal, and a dead abyssal is a kanmusu. therefore it's real equipment from a real ship. I honestly think it was just a metaphor. "look we anthropomorphized our old warships and now they live with us as anime girls" Last but not least. What was the meaning of all those tangerines shown through the entire season??? don't know. I think it's more important who gave her the tangerines. but I can't help you there. I kinda liked it more than the original anime. I wish kancolle's dev team/license holders weren't absolutely incompetent. I noticed that the British/American fleet had some sort of glowing light around them as they were some sort of ethereal presence... and they effectively disappeared at some point... XD so there are many things that are obscure about the plot as I said in other comments... |
Franz_Furantsu said: That's the impression I get. They're just listing the original ship counterpart's service span.Is it only a sort of final tribute to the real ships of the IJN in WW2? (as it is the purpose of the whole game/anime in the end...) but I'm not completely sure about it, also because Shigure is actually shown to sink deep in the ocean: Shigure was present 3 months after the final battle (the start of the episode). My bad, I got the timeline wrong. My assumption is that her "sinking" PoV was just a dramatization of her losing her consciousness/powers as a shipgirl. She had experienced it before in episode 6 where she felt like she was about to sink, causing her to relive her final moment as warship which sank from torpedo attack, until she snapped back to reality. Franz_Furantsu said: The game setting has always been implied to be modern day based on (just to name a few): However it's difficult to analyze Kancolle timeline setting, because it is never explained clearly, it's a sort of alternative timeline/world with meta-girl-ships in an alternative World-War against Abyssals so everything could be correct or wrong if they don't explain a sort of "canon". - I-168 knowing what a smartphone is - Yuubari watching late-night anime - Akigumo participating in comikets - Intrepid and then later Massachusetts referring to their museum selves, etc. I'd say, the shipgirls still died but only metaphorically as they've served their purpose to fight off abyssal fleet and are allowed to move onto their next life of peace. |
IndioraMar 26, 2023 10:48 PM
| At least Shigure survived I guess that's the thing... xD |
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Indiora said: Franz_Furantsu said: That's the impression I get. They're just listing the original ship counterpart's service span.Is it only a sort of final tribute to the real ships of the IJN in WW2? (as it is the purpose of the whole game/anime in the end...) but I'm not completely sure about it, also because Shigure is actually shown to sink deep in the ocean: Shigure was present 3 months after the final battle (the start of the episode). My bad, I got the timeline wrong. My assumption is that her "sinking" PoV was just a dramatization of her losing her consciousness/powers as a shipgirl. She had experienced it before in episode 6 where she felt like she was about to sink, causing her to relive her final moment as warship which sank from torpedo attack, until she snapped back to reality. Franz_Furantsu said: The game setting has always been implied to be modern day based on (just to name a few): However it's difficult to analyze Kancolle timeline setting, because it is never explained clearly, it's a sort of alternative timeline/world with meta-girl-ships in an alternative World-War against Abyssals so everything could be correct or wrong if they don't explain a sort of "canon". - I-168 knowing what a smartphone is - Yuubari watching late-night anime - Akigumo participating in comikets - Intrepid and then later Massachusetts referring to their museum selves, etc. I'd say, the shipgirls still died but only metaphorically as they've served their purpose to fight off abyssal fleet and are allowed to move onto their next life of peace. Thank you Indiora, I didn't remember some of those things, it makes more sense now to understand some of those elements, so we can say it is a sort of symbolic "dead", a passage between their previous life at war and the peaceful outcome after, but they are all alive in the same modern world. Obviously the authors made a tribute and a symbolic parallel between the past and the present/future citing the years of service of the real historic ships. The only thing that is still not clear is why use the reference to 1944 in the various dates and timeline of events? another symbolic parallel? or a sort o alternative metatemporal reality were the world is a modern world as we know it but the setting is in an alternative "1944", as I said the setting of the year and the old naval bases is still confusing but maybe we will never know, because as you said various things are implied but not all is clearly stated. |
| It was a great ending. I liked this anime a lot, but it's nothing like the 1st season, in fact, this one isn't even a sequel lol |
Sorry if my english is bad (っ˘▽˘)っ~~~ Btw, cry about it.  |
| I'm not really quite sure what to think of this series too much. Like it just felt really odd, especially with all the delays and things making it more confusing than it was before. The first season and movie were much better than this imo but still this was a decent enough show in the end. Definitely not my favourite though. |
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| Director's work was awful, but maybe it was the best they could do. The end was nice. As ppl say here, they died at battle field and the end showed us the reincarnations. |
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| This episode is truly a tribute to all Japanese Warships! mad respects to all for them!! 5/5. 7/10. |
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| what a trashy ending WTH !! |
| As anime only watcher, the 2nd season made me even more confused. Where is the season 1 protag? What are those little chibi things? Why some of them resembles shipgirls? Why one abyssal girl disappeared when Royal Navy came? Why Iowa is in Royal Navy not USN? Where did the Royal Navy come from? Why the admiral didn't tell the Royal Navy will be coming to help? After the battle where did they go? Where is retired shipgirls go? Why Shigure is the only one with Kai San? Why battleship is as fast as destroyer? If they are as fast as destroyer, why did they just stand still waiting to be bombed from above? What does the last scene mean? They are now in present time? So they are immortal? So many unexplained weird things, I like the first season more. |
| I am actually confused...I don't know if they all died (in the end we see their names and dates of their death) we also saw them sinking...and them the time we see them happy |
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| Someone care to explain what just happened? xD Or should I not think much about it? xD I have watched the 1st season a long time ago, but this season doesn´t look like much of a sequel (please, correct if I am wrong here). Felt like a small standalone season. In general and as far as I know, it was not much accurate to the historical events. Probably the anime chose to not necessarily follow the historical events? I sincerely don´t even know how to rate this season. I did watch 8 episode, but yet it was as if I didn´t watch anything xD ; an emptiness. By the way, I kinda know more or less how were the events in the Battle of Leyte Gulf (1944) and Operation Ten-Go (1945). --- EDIT: I have rewatched this last episode, but oh well, I believe the writing sucks and we probably should don´t try to think much here. The girls are lovely, the chibi pilots are lovely, the animation and art beautiful, but too bad the writing screwed it up. 5.5/10 |
TechOtakuApr 30, 2023 3:53 PM
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| Didn't understand anything lol, so this is how the lain fan felt... |
| The last 2 minutes are the only good part of this trash show. |
| I like the girls a lot, but the story of this anime is very clueless haha. 🚢 |
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| Yamato and Yahagi being able to equip seaplane bombers now... Power creep is real Indiora said: The characters are handled slightly better here (no blatant flanderization which was rife in the first anime), but no improvement in the way they're utilized. I don't know about you, but I kinda regret not having a drinking game where I take a shot every time Mogami mentions the word "collision" Franz_Furantsu said: I noticed that the British/American fleet had some sort of glowing light around them as they were some sort of ethereal presence... and they effectively disappeared at some point... XD so there are many things that are obscure about the plot as I said in other comments... Foreign shipgirls being friend fleet confirmed. Arrives during night battle, fires a few shots and deals very little damage, refuses to elaborate further, leaves. |
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