| Opinion time. The one thing that I absolutely loved about the first season was the sense of adventure and exploration, the world building. Quickly descending through the layers, each one showing how different they are, and how much darker it got as they were reaching deeper and deeper (in many ways). Characters were just the eyes for the audience. None of them are particularly noteworthy or interesting. Riko is an average child - cheerful and naive, the fact she hasn't gotten herself killed yet can only be attributed to plot armor. Reg is just your average character with amnesia. Nanachi had most of her arc already solved after the movie. The movie already had the entire course run in one layer. It wasn't bad, but still a bit worse than S1. Now we have season 2 being only about the 6th layer. So far it's been very uneventful for the main crew if I may add. There's no more exploration. It's understandable that it has to slow down because there are no more known layers so the environment is not going to change that much, however, what do we have left? Characters as already mentioned aren't the strongest suit. World building has taken a backseat to character relations and flashbacks on top of a very disturbing focus on fucked up / grotesque situations. I don't mind those, but aside from the infamous episode 10 in season 1, that barely ever happened in the original run. Worst of it all is that ever since they arrived to the 6th layer, Riko has not mentioned her mother EVEN ONCE. I thought the whole reason why they took this dive was to find her, but oh how we quickly forget you irresponsible child. Tl;dr: I liked MiA s1 because the exploration + kevin penkin was just amazing. Awe inspiring even. None of that is left, it's just torture porn every week. |
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| I think your point of view is heavily weighted towards appreciating a specific part of Made in Abyss (which was the adventure), and you're using that biased view to claim that season 2 is worse. I think from that perspective, you're not wrong in that there is no movement of the main trio in this season. I don't think that's the point of the season though, nor do I believe it's all of what makes Made in Abyss good (or even close to all of it). This season focuses on lore and history, giving us whatever insane backstories and revelations about the abyss, hollows, and the 6th layer views have been waiting for. Made in Abyss is a mystery just as much as it is an adventure, so even if this season doesn't tickle your adventure bone as much, I don't think that's grounds to say it's any worse than the previous seasons. Actually, being biased towards mystery and lore, I think this season is better overall (though it's not as good with the visuals and whatnot). |
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| Agreed,Season 1 had that adventurous essence to it,that s2 is completely failing with,the pacing is ice and fire with the previous season,as it is hella dragged,And i aint really digging the progression here,the village and those weird creatures arent really explained,and our protagonist's reaction are pretty out of place too. Overall,a letdown. PS:the graphic stuff in this season seems kinda contrived and redundant. |
KP_SENSEIAug 30, 2022 8:11 AM
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| I'm enjoying season 2 the same as I enjoyed season 1 maybe even more. I don't see the problem with taking a backseat from adventure to explore the history of the people that live in the sixth layer and the brutal shit that they went through and also finding how the sixth layer became what it is currently. Everything is all tied up and I'm excited about the next episode. Actually excited is not the right word, eager and anxious. |
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KP_SENSEI said: Agreed,Season 1 had that adventurous essence to it,that s2 is completely failing with,the pacing is ice and fire with the previous season,as it is hella dragged,And i aint really digging the progression here,the village and those weird creatures arent really explained,and our protagonist's reaction are pretty out of place too. Overall,a letdown. PS:the graphic stuff in this season seems kinda contrived and redundant. They just dedicated 2 whole episodes explaining the village lol. Tho they don’t force feed you the information and directly explain everything. You have to read between the lines and connect the dots, the audience is supposed to be kinda lost as well with the characters, we’re exploring and learning alongside them. I believe this season has all the aspects of the previous and the movie, it just doesn’t seem like that cuz they aren’t progressing through levels. You could also say the graphic stuff throughout the previous installments were contrived as well, but it does contribute to the story, including this season. |
| I'm enjoying season 2 as much as season 1, but for different reasons. I can at least understand your logic here and think you've actually got a pretty reasonable take on this, which is pretty damn rare for mal, but I'm still going to have to personally disagree and say that season 2 is just as good imo. |
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| I think both seasons are good. Where I do think that season 1 is better because I did enjoy the tone more. I think that it's nice to take a step back and go in depth into the new layers. I would have liked more time spent with the original cast but I understand it's hard to tell the entire story they wanted to tell in season 2 while trying to include all of what was in season 1. That being said, I still see your point there are definitely things that I wish were also in season 2. |
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Render_1 said: I'm enjoying season 2 as much as season 1, but for different reasons. I can at least understand your logic here and think you've actually got a pretty reasonable take on this, which is pretty damn rare for mal, but I'm still going to have to personally disagree and say that season 2 is just as good imo. Hey I appreciate that. I just... want you to look at it from this perspective. If we go back to 2017 or so, at the end of final episode of S1 and we asked the viewers what did they like about the show, what would they answer? There aren't really that many possible answers to be completely honest. If there are more let me know. So what could people like? #1. The story (dramatic descent to the netherworld in hopes of finding the protagonist's mother, a legendary figure). #2. The characters (kinda weird but ok) #3. The world building / adventure aspect. (each episode a new adventure, great OST, unnerving, epic and dark when it's needed). Fast forward to season 2, #1 is out of the question. If this were an RPG #1 would be the 'main quest', and for now that has been put on the backburner. #2 I could try to understand, if not for the fact that most of the current runtime is focused on Vueko's group and the town's lore. #3 is gone. So what's left? Just the whole mindfuckery aspect? Kevin Penkin's score? I feel like without #3 the score loses quite a bit of steam. There are no more overlooking shots like when Hanezeve Caradhina first played, no jaw dropping landscapes that are further boosted by the epic soundtrack (not as many at least). After reading this thread I'm starting to think that perhaps many of the MiA fans love the disturbing imagery more than the show itself? The things that people may have liked from season 1 are mostly absent here. The story is not progressing, more like sidetracking. To some that may be alright, but I just can't see it. |
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Bearan said: You just criticized that the characters felt bland in S1, but when S2 develop the characters it is suddenly worse As you said, characters weren't MiA strongest suit but now that it is focusing in that, it is invisible because character development is not a thing apparently. As for the two seasons, I rather prefer S2 over the first; past Abyss explorers lore is more explored, story is more focused and less messy, and Riko is a better protagonist. Bro, what lore has been expanded for the current cast of characters? Sure, it's on its way but uhh so far nothing. Riko is still the same dumb bitch. In fact she regressed because she forgot she has a mother. Reg still going on about the amnesia plot device. Maybe he will remember the 'promise' now. Nanachi actually regressed as well now that Mitty is back! Even if she hasn't, she was thrown off to the side for a few episodes now. Where is their development? They are a little bit more resilient but that's about it. The new dudes Belaf, Vueko and Iruywhatever are super fleshed out by now, but they are not the main characters. |
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Dracat said: Infatuate said: Hey I appreciate that. I just... want you to look at it from this perspective. If we go back to 2017 or so, at the end of final episode of S1 and we asked the viewers what did they like about the show, what would they answer? There aren't really that many possible answers to be completely honest. If there are more let me know. So what could people like? #1. The story (dramatic descent to the netherworld in hopes of finding the protagonist's mother, a legendary figure). #2. The characters (kinda weird but ok) #3. The world building / adventure aspect. (each episode a new adventure, great OST, unnerving, epic and dark when it's needed). Fast forward to season 2, #1 is out of the question. If this were an RPG #1 would be the 'main quest', and for now that has been put on the backburner. #2 I could try to understand, if not for the fact that most of the current runtime is focused on Vueko's group and the town's lore. #3 is gone. So what's left? Just the whole mindfuckery aspect? Kevin Penkin's score? I feel like without #3 the score loses quite a bit of steam. There are no more overlooking shots like when Hanezeve Caradhina first played, no jaw dropping landscapes that are further boosted by the epic soundtrack (not as many at least). After reading this thread I'm starting to think that perhaps many of the MiA fans love the disturbing imagery more than the show itself? The things that people may have liked from season 1 are mostly absent here. The story is not progressing, more like sidetracking. To some that may be alright, but I just can't see it. No beautiful landscapes? The Story has been sidetracked??? What anime are you watching? Because that's clearly not Made in Abyss season 2 The story being the main premise. Finding Riko's mother. Have you heard a single mention of her so far? I could be wrong but has she narrated the story at any point this season like she used to? I think she did maybe once... A repetitive yellow-ish looking arid landscape is all we get, and that's only if by some miracle the story takes place outside of the village at all. |
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Bearan said: You just criticized that the characters felt bland in S1, but when S2 develop the characters it is suddenly worse As you said, characters weren't MiA strongest suit but now that it is focusing in that, it is invisible because character development is not a thing apparently. As for the two seasons, I rather prefer S2 over the first; past Abyss explorers lore is more explored, story is more focused and less messy, and Riko is a better protagonist. There's literally no such thing that you described in season 2. |
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| Not really but animation wise sure since we had cgi. Not that I’m complaining tho, the cgi looks pretty good tho each ep. |
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| While it's true that the Adventure aspect isn't as good as that of S1, it makes up for it by fleshing out Golden City. Also, it's Horror aspect is much better than S1's. |
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Dracat said: Infatuate said: The premise was the exploration of the Abyss, which by exploring the sixth layer and Iruburu, who's story is linked to it directly, keeps the story going.The story being the main premise. Finding Riko's mother. Have you heard a single mention of her so far? I could be wrong but has she narrated the story at any point this season like she used to? I think she did maybe once... A repetitive yellow-ish looking arid landscape is all we get, and that's only if by some miracle the story takes place outside of the village at all. Reg is finding more about his past and Riko's growing more as a protagonist. "Finding Lyza" was only the needed push Riko wanted to go down the Abyss, we're all aware of that, the real reason they are descending is for the journey, exploring what the Abyss has to offer, WHICH INCLUDES Iruburu. Lyza is irrelevant to the plot at the moment and there is no need for any mentions of her, just as Gon in HxH wouldn't stop his journey just to blindlessly go after his father. If you don't like the "gold" atmosphere of the golden city, that's actually too bad, many people do and I'm one of them. Made in Abyss is not the story about some kids exploring every single bit of the abyss, neither the story of some kids rushing through all of it without any consequences, it's a story about a resurrected girl and a robot boy who want to know his origins, and the answer to that is in parts in Iruburu and Faputa, so yeah, they have to go through it. Disagree. It was a central theme in season 1, and now it's absolutely disregarded. |
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| I understand you, I miss a feeling of adventure too, but what we have is still good. We have a Mad Max situation here: Max comes to a society that has a problem, he helps to fix this problem even if it's none of his business, then he leaves to continue his journey. This season is about the village of hollows, and I think it's story is good on its own. If it had not been a second season of MiA, you wouldn't have written this post. |
| Imagine normies saying: "Peaky Blinders is mid and overhyped. Just another typical crime drama show. Breaking Bad is much better lol.". |
| I think season 1 and third movie are better but this is not bad. I really like that they explain how people originally even found the abyss and what happened to the go cave raiders. I am invested in that. This season has also had some fucked up things. But if anything they do spend a lot of time in this layer compared to how they speedran the abyss up until the Droplet of Giants. I kind of wish they would have spend more time on other layers especially the 5th and 4th layers since they were interesting. Abyss gets more intricate as the layers descend. They value system is a nice touch and brings out a bit of the humanity left within the tenants of layer 6. It was also cool to see what the relics deep within the abyss can do. Such as what the Egg of Wishes or whatever it was called can do. It turned Irumyuii to a massive blob and later to an ever expanding wall of flesh that people call home. |
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| no world building? excuse me? we learned the history of an entire layer, we saw different creatures, a language and city that has many interesting rules, we a glance at the original people who lived in the area above the abyss before it became a city, and so much more. more locations does not equal more world building. that's dumb. the world building has been kind at it's best, this season. adventure is not just about moving though every location as fast as possible. this location is still a part of this grand made in abyss adventure, them taking longer to get through it doesn't change that. thinking this season isn't adventure because they are in a single layer, misses the whole point of adventure series. even the biggest adventure anime that is one piece, at least as far as I know, has some extremely long arcs that take place in a single location, but like, who in the hell would call one piece not adventure for that?? also there are more reasons for why I watch this show: the horror, which as strong as ever the emotional scenes, which are present and are only getting better the mystery, which is still giving more questions and answers the character writing, which can be both complex and simple but is never lazy the fact that it doesn't shy away from showing anything and the fucking music Tbh I don't really give a shit about riko's mom. that was the push riko needed to start the adventure, but it is far from being the hook of the show. riko's mom wasn't even in the pilot. also why would she need to be brought up? even in season 1, she was only mentioned at the start, because she pushed them to start, and at ozen's place, which she was mentioned in because ozen knew about her. there is 0 reason to mention her now. overall, I think this season is going to be better. it hasn't reached the same level as s1 finale, but I would certainly put these 8 episodes higher the first 8 episodes of season 1. |
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| s2 is a lot better and s1 is already a 10 |
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| Whats interesting is that this arc was voted as the best arc in the manga on reddit community, soooo everyone has their own opinion I guess? Infatuate said: Riko is still the same dumb bitch. In fact she regressed because she forgot she has a mother. Riko in this arc for once was not a damsel and distress and had a stand out moment with her making a plan to defeat blob monster. Also she learned the entire new lenguege on the spot and was able to successfully comunicate with villigers which was important to the survival of the group. And she discovered and released Vueko which greately helped to move the plot forward. She was fleshed out in this season way more then in the previous one. |
| I can see where you're coming from yet I think it'd be better to wait until the season ends to judge it. |
| I can see where you're coming from yet I think it'd be better to wait until the season ends to judge it. (2) |
| no way man, for me this is even better and more beautiful than the last one, I am delighted |
Infatuate said: Opinion time. The one thing that I absolutely loved about the first season was the sense of adventure and exploration, the world building. Quickly descending through the layers, each one showing how different they are, and how much darker it got as they were reaching deeper and deeper (in many ways). Characters were just the eyes for the audience. None of them are particularly noteworthy or interesting. Riko is an average child - cheerful and naive, the fact she hasn't gotten herself killed yet can only be attributed to plot armor. Reg is just your average character with amnesia. Nanachi had most of her arc already solved after the movie. The movie already had the entire course run in one layer. It wasn't bad, but still a bit worse than S1. Now we have season 2 being only about the 6th layer. So far it's been very uneventful for the main crew if I may add. There's no more exploration. It's understandable that it has to slow down because there are no more known layers so the environment is not going to change that much, however, what do we have left? Characters as already mentioned aren't the strongest suit. World building has taken a backseat to character relations and flashbacks on top of a very disturbing focus on fucked up / grotesque situations. I don't mind those, but aside from the infamous episode 10 in season 1, that barely ever happened in the original run. Worst of it all is that ever since they arrived to the 6th layer, Riko has not mentioned her mother EVEN ONCE. I thought the whole reason why they took this dive was to find her, but oh how we quickly forget you irresponsible child. Tl;dr: I liked MiA s1 because the exploration + kevin penkin was just amazing. Awe inspiring even. None of that is left, it's just torture porn every week. The ratings show that this season is one of the best of the season by far, it has many 10's and 9's of score. Porn??? They never showed that...I think you are misunderstanding and very serious |
Riot said: Infatuate said: Opinion time. The one thing that I absolutely loved about the first season was the sense of adventure and exploration, the world building. Quickly descending through the layers, each one showing how different they are, and how much darker it got as they were reaching deeper and deeper (in many ways). Characters were just the eyes for the audience. None of them are particularly noteworthy or interesting. Riko is an average child - cheerful and naive, the fact she hasn't gotten herself killed yet can only be attributed to plot armor. Reg is just your average character with amnesia. Nanachi had most of her arc already solved after the movie. The movie already had the entire course run in one layer. It wasn't bad, but still a bit worse than S1. Now we have season 2 being only about the 6th layer. So far it's been very uneventful for the main crew if I may add. There's no more exploration. It's understandable that it has to slow down because there are no more known layers so the environment is not going to change that much, however, what do we have left? Characters as already mentioned aren't the strongest suit. World building has taken a backseat to character relations and flashbacks on top of a very disturbing focus on fucked up / grotesque situations. I don't mind those, but aside from the infamous episode 10 in season 1, that barely ever happened in the original run. Worst of it all is that ever since they arrived to the 6th layer, Riko has not mentioned her mother EVEN ONCE. I thought the whole reason why they took this dive was to find her, but oh how we quickly forget you irresponsible child. Tl;dr: I liked MiA s1 because the exploration + kevin penkin was just amazing. Awe inspiring even. None of that is left, it's just torture porn every week. The ratings show that this season is one of the best of the season by far, it has many 10's and 9's of score. Porn??? They never showed that...I think you are misunderstanding and very serious Huh? Damn dude you got 4k posts with the same amount of substance as this one? Wild. |
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| Truth be told, I found this series overrated as a whole since essentially the very beginning, relative to the buzz it was generating and acclaim it received in some corners. I began watching anime in general in 2016 and I realize this series premiered in 2017, but I wasn't watching any seasonals back then and actually didn't watch it until 2019. And in 2019, the fanfare surrounding it was still basically unchanged from around the time it was originally airing (and perhaps even still is today) My main issues with it are more central just in terms of how the entire story is structured and paced from the outset. I disagree with the notion that this season being slower-paced than the first is the issue, since I found the first far too fast. I think in both seasons there's just too much bouncing around and lack of ability to let certain scenes, subplots, ideas, and emotional beats breathe and grow to a fuller extent or their maximum potential. In this season, there is a change of focus to the other earlier explorer characters, but that's just it - Most or all of those characters are all well and good; they're fine basically. But so is our main trio (especially Riko and Reg) - Just fine. Yet in an adventure series where the setting and scenery can be expected to change frequently as different locations are traversed, characters, especially if you have a small main cast, are paramount. They're not just a vehicle or proxy, but how they change or not in what way to what extent and how the story affects them becomes its own story of equal or greater strength and importance to the exogenous plot going on around them. So in a series that's just had one short season of 12 or 13 episodes five years ago, why is it even considered an appropriate decision to make to have this kind of schizophrenic focus and take spotlight away from the trio's internal and interpersonal dynamics and development which is already modest at best, in favor of more characters who probably won't be developed any better and likely worse? Unless this series by design from the outset was envisioned as being very short. A large part of my biggest gripe then is just how quickly breezed over and non-impactful the majority of developments and moments feel, almost as passing uneventful curiosities, especially in season two, because there just isn't sufficient either emotional immersive build-up to them or payoff after them before it's on to the next thing. The next thing in this season just happens to always be in the same or nearby location (albeit spread across two timelines), but actually, if the story was open to doing that then I would have preferred the same treatment given to any or all of the previous layers in season one Riko and Reg were descending together on their downward journey, and then, by the time it arrived at this point, I would care a lot more and there would probably be a lot more to care about. But yeah, it's actually that initial fast pace and presentation which lowered its standing for me by a lot. As it is, it just feels like a highlight reel. I still gave season one a 7/10, but this is more 6-tier for me. Anyway, the gods be good that I still have Lycoris Recoil to look forward to each week. |
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| It lacks the excitement and brisk pace of season 1, but that's not inherently a bad thing |
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