_Nette_ said: RobertBobert said: That is why it has drawn criticism even from part of the trans community. Because it supports a number of stereotypes, including directly transphobic ones. For example, some Japanese people write that even if they are okay with the trans canon, they hate it because of the motivation to do it for the sake of the Western audience. It has actually drawn criticism? All I have seen in unanimous support but that could be because of social media narrative bias. Maybe there is hope for LGBTards yet. Well, for example, on Knowyourmeme, people are complaining that twitter has destroyed the iconic meme, while Japanese GG fans are gradually starting to accuse the developers of "promoting political correctness" and Bridget himself has gone to the top of twitter, as far as I know. Also add controversy in the discussion of the wikipedia article and various conflicts elsewhere. |
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RobertBobert said: _Nette_ said: It has actually drawn criticism? All I have seen in unanimous support but that could be because of social media narrative bias. Maybe there is hope for LGBTards yet. Well, for example, on Knowyourmeme, people are complaining that twitter has destroyed the iconic meme, while Japanese GG fans are gradually starting to accuse the developers of "promoting political correctness" and Bridget himself has gone to the top of twitter, as far as I know. Also add controversy in the discussion of the wikipedia article and various conflicts elsewhere. I'm mostly looking at how western trans people feel about it and it is shocking. It's a huge level if cognitive dissonance. Grooming doesn't make you trans but we will celebrate this character being groomed. I dont understand why trannies are so happy about it. This is why I dissociate with my fellows. They are gross and disingenuous. Also people will get mad about you misgendering a fictional character they didnt care about until 3 days ago. They weren't there playing X2 on Ps2 in the late 2000s lol. |
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_Nette_ said: RobertBobert said: Well, for example, on Knowyourmeme, people are complaining that twitter has destroyed the iconic meme, while Japanese GG fans are gradually starting to accuse the developers of "promoting political correctness" and Bridget himself has gone to the top of twitter, as far as I know. Also add controversy in the discussion of the wikipedia article and various conflicts elsewhere. I'm mostly looking at how western trans people feel about it and it is shocking. It's a huge level if cognitive dissonance. Grooming doesn't make you trans but we will celebrate this character being groomed. I dont understand why trannies are so happy about it. This is why I dissociate with my fellows. They are gross and disingenuous. Also people will get mad about you misgendering a fictional character they didnt care about until 3 days ago. They weren't there playing X2 on Ps2 in the late 2000s lol. Lol, a trans girl created a twitter thread about this and twitter literally insulted her with transphobic words for it. Realize the whole level of surrealism. Also, when it became known that Japanese fans were criticizing this, part of twitter tried to convince themselves that these were learned Japanese weebs (the same people criticize conspiracy theories, lol) or directly insulted the Japanese, including jokes about the atomic bomb. |
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RobertBobert said: GamerDLM said: Then just stop responding. If you're wasting your time you can simply choose to not engage. Bold methodology to start going for a character attack instead of criticizing any part of the argument I presented when if anything I'm giving you a better way to present your own premise. But by all means keep vilifying parents whose only desire was to save their child in the canon of a series you seem to only care about when it's convenient to your narrative. Because I have already told you twice that I consider your argument as sophistry and do not intend to continue the discussion. But you continued to prove something to me, including even now distorting my position and trying to impose your context on me. And now I'm to blame for this? No, it doesn't work that way. However, if you continue to obsessively prove to me that the motivation for an act can change the very fact of its commission, then I really just stop answering you. Yes motivation is an extremely important factor, and more importantly is the mindset of the characters in the game, if you intend to have the parents in the game be the driving force for your critique. Because your initial post is advocating that people will replicate a very specific lore upbringing while simultaneously ignoring the characters present in the lore. Which frankly is insulting of you to the narrative writers that you would so easily disregard the characters they built up for a political agenda and minimize the character involvement. |
RobertBobert said: _Nette_ said: I'm mostly looking at how western trans people feel about it and it is shocking. It's a huge level if cognitive dissonance. Grooming doesn't make you trans but we will celebrate this character being groomed. I dont understand why trannies are so happy about it. This is why I dissociate with my fellows. They are gross and disingenuous. Also people will get mad about you misgendering a fictional character they didnt care about until 3 days ago. They weren't there playing X2 on Ps2 in the late 2000s lol. Lol, a trans girl created a twitter thread about this and twitter literally insulted her with transphobic words for it. Realize the whole level of surrealism. Also, when it became known that Japanese fans were criticizing this, part of twitter tried to convince themselves that these were learned Japanese weebs (the same people criticize conspiracy theories, lol) or directly insulted the Japanese, including jokes about the atomic bomb. These are the same people who say that slurs are violence but use the N word to describe black politicians they dont like. To them online interactions and politics are tribal warfare. That and they are easily controlled and mocked by those they support. It's like I always mention with the movie Black Panther. Black people are that movie up. A movie where this advanced african society that decided their leader through violent tribal combat and had a tribe that makes gorilla noises. But I digress. All we can do is laugh at these people because ultimately they are pathetic. Those who want representation so they can identify with a fictional character reveal they are sociopaths who cannot empathize with other people who aren't exactly like them. Tangent over lol. |
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GamerDLM said: RobertBobert said: Because I have already told you twice that I consider your argument as sophistry and do not intend to continue the discussion. But you continued to prove something to me, including even now distorting my position and trying to impose your context on me. And now I'm to blame for this? No, it doesn't work that way. However, if you continue to obsessively prove to me that the motivation for an act can change the very fact of its commission, then I really just stop answering you. Yes motivation is an extremely important factor, and more importantly is the mindset of the characters in the game, if you intend to have the parents in the game be the driving force for your critique. Because your initial post is advocating that people will replicate a very specific lore upbringing while simultaneously ignoring the characters present in the lore. Which frankly is insulting of you to the narrative writers that you would so easily disregard the characters they built up for a political agenda and minimize the character involvement. My post does not advocating anyone and you continue to argue with the scarecrow instead of my original intentions and text. But since you are ignoring any requests to stop, I will simply stop responding to you. |
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_Nette_ said: RobertBobert said: Lol, a trans girl created a twitter thread about this and twitter literally insulted her with transphobic words for it. Realize the whole level of surrealism. Also, when it became known that Japanese fans were criticizing this, part of twitter tried to convince themselves that these were learned Japanese weebs (the same people criticize conspiracy theories, lol) or directly insulted the Japanese, including jokes about the atomic bomb. These are the same people who say that slurs are violence but use the N word to describe black politicians they dont like. To them online interactions and politics are tribal warfare. That and they are easily controlled and mocked by those they support. It's like I always mention with the movie Black Panther. Black people are that movie up. A movie where this advanced african society that decided their leader through violent tribal combat and had a tribe that makes gorilla noises. But I digress. All we can do is laugh at these people because ultimately they are pathetic. Those who want representation so they can identify with a fictional character reveal they are sociopaths who cannot empathize with other people who aren't exactly like them. Tangent over lol. You made me think again about September 2nd when the world will get the biggest pretext for internet culture wars in the last couple of years with the release of Rings of Power. |
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RobertBobert said: _Nette_ said: These are the same people who say that slurs are violence but use the N word to describe black politicians they dont like. To them online interactions and politics are tribal warfare. That and they are easily controlled and mocked by those they support. It's like I always mention with the movie Black Panther. Black people are that movie up. A movie where this advanced african society that decided their leader through violent tribal combat and had a tribe that makes gorilla noises. But I digress. All we can do is laugh at these people because ultimately they are pathetic. Those who want representation so they can identify with a fictional character reveal they are sociopaths who cannot empathize with other people who aren't exactly like them. Tangent over lol. You made me think again about September 2nd when the world will get the biggest pretext for internet culture wars in the last couple of years with the release of Rings of Power. I'm so excited for the shitstorm that will start ngl. In what ways will corporate bigwigs sneak in subtle actual racial stereotypes while having a legion of shills declare that anyone who dislikes it for any reason are the racist ones. While on the other end what will the poltards do? How will they troll the fuck out if this? Only time will tell. Just gotta grab the popcorn and revel in the insanity. |
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_Nette_ said: RobertBobert said: You made me think again about September 2nd when the world will get the biggest pretext for internet culture wars in the last couple of years with the release of Rings of Power. I'm so excited for the shitstorm that will start ngl. In what ways will corporate bigwigs sneak in subtle actual racial stereotypes while having a legion of shills declare that anyone who dislikes it for any reason are the racist ones. While on the other end what will the poltards do? How will they troll the fuck out if this? Only time will tell. Just gotta grab the popcorn and revel in the insanity. In my time, they said about such things "I write only to be noted in the legendary thread." |
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RobertBobert said: GamerDLM said: Yes motivation is an extremely important factor, and more importantly is the mindset of the characters in the game, if you intend to have the parents in the game be the driving force for your critique. Because your initial post is advocating that people will replicate a very specific lore upbringing while simultaneously ignoring the characters present in the lore. Which frankly is insulting of you to the narrative writers that you would so easily disregard the characters they built up for a political agenda and minimize the character involvement. My post does not advocating anyone and you continue to argue with the scarecrow instead of my original intentions and text. But since you are ignoring any requests to stop, I will simply stop responding to you. That's literally what your first post does. It claims that it's harmful because of the idea it incites regarding upbringing, while still ignoring the immense guilt the parents felt in the context of the canon. You can't ignore that aspect of context while also claiming they will cite other context of the backstory. It also straight up ignores the idea that a character could of their own volition embrace the identity after at least 5 years in the games timeline traveling on their own. |
GamerDLM said: RobertBobert said: My post does not advocating anyone and you continue to argue with the scarecrow instead of my original intentions and text. But since you are ignoring any requests to stop, I will simply stop responding to you. That's literally what your first post does. It claims that it's harmful because of the idea it incites regarding upbringing, while still ignoring the immense guilt the parents felt in the context of the canon. You can't ignore that aspect of context while also claiming they will cite other context of the backstory. It also straight up ignores the idea that a character could of their own volition embrace the identity after at least 5 years in the games timeline traveling on their own. You not only did not understand my opaque hint, but even openly continued to prove something to me. Okay, consider this my last reply to you. |
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RobertBobert said: GamerDLM said: That's literally what your first post does. It claims that it's harmful because of the idea it incites regarding upbringing, while still ignoring the immense guilt the parents felt in the context of the canon. You can't ignore that aspect of context while also claiming they will cite other context of the backstory. It also straight up ignores the idea that a character could of their own volition embrace the identity after at least 5 years in the games timeline traveling on their own. You not only did not understand my opaque hint, but even openly continued to prove something to me. Okay, consider this my last reply to you. For the 4th post saying you'd stop responding you really can't stop responding. The original intentions of your text are clear and baseless unless you ignore major aspects of the canon. The parents did nothing wrong because their motivations were clear and their guilt as a result was understandable. But also trying to claim the character lacks agency and has gained no independence through their experiences is just added insult to the character. |
hazecloud said: @_-_Sally_-_ so if i disagree with trans lifestyle it's automatically hatred/bigotry. gotcha. Being trans is not a "lifestyle," and it's not a choice, either. And yes, what you've said IS hatred/bigotry. |
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_-_Sally_-_ said: hazecloud said: @_-_Sally_-_ so if i disagree with trans lifestyle it's automatically hatred/bigotry. gotcha. Being trans is not a "lifestyle," and it's not a choice, either. And yes, what you've said IS hatred/bigotry. lol not a choice. okay i've seen enough. i just don't want others egging mentally susceptible people into becoming trans. we have choice. i don't want to write a full in depth debate about trans cause it would be from a religious standpoint, but feel free to ask others in real life they should be able to explain this to you. i never hate people openly, but it's up to you to think of that way. imma keep saying that trans lifestyle is wrong, and that people should stick to their natural biology. sometimes we don't get guidance in this life, we do make mistakes. but the biggest mistake is to advocate for the wrong thing. |
hazecloud said: _-_Sally_-_ said: Being trans is not a "lifestyle," and it's not a choice, either. And yes, what you've said IS hatred/bigotry. lol not a choice. okay i've seen enough. i just don't want others egging mentally susceptible people into becoming trans. we have choice. i don't want to write a full in depth debate about trans cause it would be from a religious standpoint, but feel free to ask others in real life they should be able to explain this to you. i never hate people openly, but it's up to you to think of that way. imma keep saying that trans lifestyle is wrong, and that people should stick to their natural biology. sometimes we don't get guidance in this life, we do make mistakes. but the biggest mistake is to advocate for the wrong thing. You're calling trans people a "mistake," and that's extremely bigoted and transphobic. This conversation is over, and you're blocked. |
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GamerDLM said: RobertBobert said: My post does not advocating anyone and you continue to argue with the scarecrow instead of my original intentions and text. But since you are ignoring any requests to stop, I will simply stop responding to you. That's literally what your first post does. It claims that it's harmful because of the idea it incites regarding upbringing, while still ignoring the immense guilt the parents felt in the context of the canon. You can't ignore that aspect of context while also claiming they will cite other context of the backstory. It also straight up ignores the idea that a character could of their own volition embrace the identity after at least 5 years in the games timeline traveling on their own. Lol. "Sorry we were horrible groomers, I guess now that we feel bad about it later it must have never happened" Imagine if this backstory was about spousal beatings. You'd probably have a different tone. |
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_Nette_ said: GamerDLM said: That's literally what your first post does. It claims that it's harmful because of the idea it incites regarding upbringing, while still ignoring the immense guilt the parents felt in the context of the canon. You can't ignore that aspect of context while also claiming they will cite other context of the backstory. It also straight up ignores the idea that a character could of their own volition embrace the identity after at least 5 years in the games timeline traveling on their own. Lol. "Sorry we were horrible groomers, I guess now that we feel bad about it later it must have never happened" Imagine if this backstory was about spousal beatings. You'd probably have a different tone. The alternative was straight up killing the child or exiling them at birth because they were a twin and it was their village's superstition that twins of the same gender would bring misfortune. You skipped quite a few steps and the risk of infanticide is a pretty strong motivator for the parents even if they had personal qualms with raising a boy as if they were a girl. |
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GamerDLM said: _Nette_ said: Lol. "Sorry we were horrible groomers, I guess now that we feel bad about it later it must have never happened" Imagine if this backstory was about spousal beatings. You'd probably have a different tone. The alternative was straight up killing the child or exiling them at birth because they were a twin and it was their village's superstition that twins of the same gender would bring misfortune. You skipped quite a few steps and the risk of infanticide is a pretty strong motivator for the parents even if they had personal qualms with raising a boy as if they were a girl. I could go into the meta perspective about story telling as a whole. But let's step back and point out how retarded this is. Yes it is rational to raise Bridgette as a girl in the context if the story. But taking it a step further in making Bridgette trans is when this becomes problematic and insane. It's literally walking into a minefield to cater to a minority group that treats their existence with a cult like fervor and tribalism. Not going to go into the fact that is removes nuances of the human condition and only perpetuates the idea that feminine guys are trans and the like. Basically it is a lose/lose situation that is monumentally retarded. |
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_-_Sally_-_ said: I recently heard the news, and it makes me happy! I'm sure that a bunch of whiny transphobes are going to complain, but fuck those people. Ah yes, being happy localizers butchered a character's grim backstory makes you happy just to "own the transphobes". What a fowl and rotten person you are, especially how you're acting against Robert. Absolute lunacy. |
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_Nette_ said: GamerDLM said: The alternative was straight up killing the child or exiling them at birth because they were a twin and it was their village's superstition that twins of the same gender would bring misfortune. You skipped quite a few steps and the risk of infanticide is a pretty strong motivator for the parents even if they had personal qualms with raising a boy as if they were a girl. I could go into the meta perspective about story telling as a whole. But let's step back and point out how retarded this is. Yes it is rational to raise Bridgette as a girl in the context if the story. But taking it a step further in making Bridgette trans is when this becomes problematic and insane. It's literally walking into a minefield to cater to a minority group that treats their existence with a cult like fervor and tribalism. Not going to go into the fact that is removes nuances of the human condition and only perpetuates the idea that feminine guys are trans and the like. Basically it is a lose/lose situation that is monumentally retarded. There's a reason this character hasn't been in a game in over a decade, it's because they didn't know how to approach them. The path they decided on was having them accept their identity as a female. Also it's arguably harder to write them as a male, because per the same story rules they would have to self exile meaning they would never see their family again. Their whole motivation for fighting was raising money for their family to prove the superstition wrong. They have to progress the story for one of their most popular characters and the concept of their identity is an unavoidable plot point because rehashing the same gimmick is not sustainable when the game series has an active timeline. Like the alternative was leaving them as a one off character in a decade old game and just never addressing them again despite their popularity in that game. But inherently this is all expecting more from a fighting game than they tend to deserve when it comes to story. For example almost every mainstay fighting game franchise at this point has worked in a time travel mechanic at some point including this franchise. |
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| I don't really care about the pronouns they decided to slap onto this fictional character, I only care if the character is fun to play. If they have a fucked up backstory, and people take issue with that, more power to them. But personally it'll have zero impact on whether or not I want to actually play the character. It's a fighting game...If I have literally any problem with a character, I can just use someone else. Frankly, I probably wouldn't play Bridget anyways. I'm more of a Chipp kinda guy. Also...Bridget is a dlc character...Meaning people can just choose not to spend the money... |
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_Nette_ said: I personally find this really interesting. First it does nothing to combat the grooming reality. As in Bridgette was groomed into thinking this way canonically. Which is a dark representation of real reality. But on the flipside it shows the actual insecure narcissism I see in other trans women. Primarily over looks. Trannies are gushing over this because they think they look, act and feel like Bridgette when in reality they look monstrous, act creepy and can't fit in normally within society. Really depends on the trans woman. You also can't groom someone into being trans that's not a thing. That's like saying you can groom someone into being gay. Or turn a gay person straight through conversion therapy. It's a very goofy thing to think. |
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hazecloud said: _-_Sally_-_ said: Being trans is not a "lifestyle," and it's not a choice, either. And yes, what you've said IS hatred/bigotry. lol not a choice. okay i've seen enough. i just don't want others egging mentally susceptible people into becoming trans. we have choice. i don't want to write a full in depth debate about trans cause it would be from a religious standpoint, but feel free to ask others in real life they should be able to explain this to you. i never hate people openly, but it's up to you to think of that way. imma keep saying that trans lifestyle is wrong, and that people should stick to their natural biology. sometimes we don't get guidance in this life, we do make mistakes. but the biggest mistake is to advocate for the wrong thing. Why should people stick to their natural biology? If there's a medical incentive to change it, surely that's acceptable. |
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| @Amityblight I'm aware of that, in fact I am typically someone who prefers to have a full roster. But neither of those points change the fact for most people, she's completely optional. No one's forcing anyone to buy the dlc to complete the roster, and not everyone plays competitively. |
| I've seen alot of videos on this and I'm giving the benefit of doubt this is one of those "your taking the words too literally" situations based on the disalogue I've seen from the game for the two versions of the scene where Bridget says so given I wouldnt have connected the dots to this conclusion if no one pointed it out to me. Don't have Strive myself, but im just happy knowing Bridget the master of yoyos is back. Bridget always was in my top 5 of GG characters to play as |
Godshell said: _Nette_ said: I personally find this really interesting. First it does nothing to combat the grooming reality. As in Bridgette was groomed into thinking this way canonically. Which is a dark representation of real reality. But on the flipside it shows the actual insecure narcissism I see in other trans women. Primarily over looks. Trannies are gushing over this because they think they look, act and feel like Bridgette when in reality they look monstrous, act creepy and can't fit in normally within society. Really depends on the trans woman. You also can't groom someone into being trans that's not a thing. That's like saying you can groom someone into being gay. Or turn a gay person straight through conversion therapy. It's a very goofy thing to think. Um, I hate to spoil the vibe, but unlike sexuality, you can actually influence gender identity. For example, the number of gays does not grow with the level of involvement in the gay community, while trans does. |
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| woahhhh not this user again in a thread complaining about lgbt rep gintokisbicep said: k guys how much longer do y'all think this thread is gonna stay open?? in a thread about bl he was in it got locked in like 4 days so lol |
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kyonkyonkun said: woahhhh not this user again in a thread complaining about lgbt rep gintokisbicep said: k guys how much longer do y'all think this thread is gonna stay open?? in a thread about bl he was in it got locked in like 4 days so lol The thread about different opinions about character retcon @ woahhh you complaining about LGBT representation - classic. |
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RobertBobert said: Only_Brad said: And no one outside of twitter really cares An iconic character in an iconic series - no one outside of twitter cares about that!1 - OK. Most people don't care what's between the characters legs, much less what they "identify" as. This is twitter nonsense. |
Only_Brad said: RobertBobert said: An iconic character in an iconic series - no one outside of twitter cares about that!1 - OK. Most people don't care what's between the characters legs, much less what they "identify" as. This is twitter nonsense. I don't care, so no one cares! - double Ok. |
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RobertBobert said: Bridget is literally the most popular character for this kind of jokes and memes. I don't want to get involved in this argument but RobertBobert is right, knowledge of Bridget is far more widespread and he's been known for like 20 years. The other characters brought up may have more hits or w/e, however it's contained to a specific demographic (important). In a way both you are correct. But if you were take random samples from all the communities out there which I hear from all the time, more definitely know about Bridget and talk about him on/off for years. Sol, Bridge, and May might be the most popular characters outside the core fanbase (and perhaps within, based on polls lol + Baiken). That's why it's a huge issue drawing attention on Twitter/Youtube right now, many different people musta been like "oh yeah I remember him". |
Shishio-kunAug 15, 2022 3:57 AM
Shishio-kun said: RobertBobert said: Bridget is literally the most popular character for this kind of jokes and memes. I don't want to get involved in this argument but RobertBobert is right, knowledge of Bridget is far more widespread and he's been known for like 20 years. The other characters brought up may have more hits or w/e, however it's contained to a specific demographic (important). In a way both you are correct. But if you were take random samples from all the communities out there which I hear from all the time, more definitely know about Bridget and talk about him on/off for years. Sol, Bridge, and May might be the most popular characters outside the core fanbase (and perhaps within, based on polls lol + Baiken). That's why it's a huge issue drawing attention on Twitter/Youtube right now, many different people musta been like "oh yeah I remember him". I think the problem is that Fate is generally more popular than GG right now. Therefore, Astolfo, as a bright character in a trendy franchise, seems to be more popular or noticeable. |
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| Never got into any GG games anyway so i don't care. That said people are crazy if they think a straight male being forced into becoming the opposite gender is something to celebrate. If that's what the person originally wanted, them by all means they are free to do whatever they want. But that's not the case here. I'm sure if the roles here were reversed (character that identifies as gay just as example) is forced by their parents to only be attracted to the opposite gender and in the end they accept their parents wishes, this would be cancelled left and right. Not that i agree with forced habits in the first place. We really live on a society. |
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Rikku said: Never got into any GG games anyway so i don't care. That said people are crazy if they think a straight male being forced into becoming the opposite gender is something to celebrate. If that's what the person originally wanted, them by all means they are free to do whatever they want. But that's not the case here. I'm sure if the roles here were reversed (character that identifies as gay just as example) is forced by their parents to only be attracted to the opposite gender and in the end they accept their parents wishes, this would be cancelled left and right. Not that i agree with forced habits in the first place. We really live on a society. Well, if a character goes from real (or fictional of shippers) gay crush to straight ones, then you always get accused of erasing gay and "it's just a phase" stereotype. For "some" reason, people deny the existence of bisexuals if the character ends the romantic arc in a straight relationship. |
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| RobertBobert said: Godshell said: Really depends on the trans woman. You also can't groom someone into being trans that's not a thing. That's like saying you can groom someone into being gay. Or turn a gay person straight through conversion therapy. It's a very goofy thing to think. Um, I hate to spoil the vibe, but unlike sexuality, you can actually influence gender identity. For example, the number of gays does not grow with the level of involvement in the gay community, while trans does. I'd ask you what makes gender identity distinct from sexuality. But that would be a waste of my time. You're operating on an understanding of gender identity that was proven wrong by John money's own experiments. Sure you can "Influence" someone's gender identity through gaslighting and harassment. But you're not changing anything. The second they see through the gaslighting. David Reimer found out he was a boy originally, and he identified as male afterwards. Because he was cis gender not trans. If the trans community was grooming people into being trans we'd see a high detransition rate; We don't. Your argument doesn't even take into account the difference between sexuality and gender identity. It's entirely possible that many trans youth and even older trans people aren't even aware that being trans is an option. If you live in the bible belt south, where abstinence only sex education is the standard; Where including talks of homosexuality and gender is considered grooming, Why would you think that a term like "Gender identity" would be in the avrage person's vocabulary. Gender is most likely going to be conflated with sex. So while a trans person in these communities might wish to be the opposite sex it'd be a fantasy for them. The idea of identifying outside of their biological reality would be something of a fantasy. |
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Godshell said: RobertBobert said: Um, I hate to spoil the vibe, but unlike sexuality, you can actually influence gender identity. For example, the number of gays does not grow with the level of involvement in the gay community, while trans does. I'd ask you what makes gender identity distinct from sexuality. But that would be a waste of my time. You're operating on an understanding of gender identity that was proven wrong by John money's own experiments. Sure you can "Influence" someone's gender identity through gaslighting and harassment. But you're not changing anything. The second they see through the gaslighting. David Reimer found out he was a boy originally, and he identified as male afterwards. Because he was cis gender not trans. If the trans community was grooming people into being trans we'd see a high detransition rate; We don't. Your argument doesn't even take into account the difference between sexuality and gender identity. It's entirely possible that many trans youth and even older trans people aren't even aware that being trans is an option. If you live in the bible belt south, where abstinence only sex education is the standard; Where including talks of homosexuality and gender is considered grooming, Why would you think that a term like "Gender identity" would be in the avrage person's vocabulary. Gender is most likely going to be conflated with sex. So while a trans person in these communities might wish to be the opposite sex it'd be a fantasy for them. The idea of identifying outside of their biological reality would be something of a fantasy. You calmly coped without me by refuting a few scarecrows. So, could you not quote me in that case? |
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RobertBobert said: Godshell said: I'd ask you what makes gender identity distinct from sexuality. But that would be a waste of my time. You're operating on an understanding of gender identity that was proven wrong by John money's own experiments. Sure you can "Influence" someone's gender identity through gaslighting and harassment. But you're not changing anything. The second they see through the gaslighting. David Reimer found out he was a boy originally, and he identified as male afterwards. Because he was cis gender not trans. If the trans community was grooming people into being trans we'd see a high detransition rate; We don't. Your argument doesn't even take into account the difference between sexuality and gender identity. It's entirely possible that many trans youth and even older trans people aren't even aware that being trans is an option. If you live in the bible belt south, where abstinence only sex education is the standard; Where including talks of homosexuality and gender is considered grooming, Why would you think that a term like "Gender identity" would be in the avrage person's vocabulary. Gender is most likely going to be conflated with sex. So while a trans person in these communities might wish to be the opposite sex it'd be a fantasy for them. The idea of identifying outside of their biological reality would be something of a fantasy. You calmly coped without me by refuting a few scarecrows. So, could you not quote me in that case? I was addressing your point. |
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Godshell said: RobertBobert said: You calmly coped without me by refuting a few scarecrows. So, could you not quote me in that case? I was addressing your point. Not sure. There was one, short thesis in my comment. You somehow managed to refute 4 or 5 in some strange way, most of which my short comment did not even hint at. |
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kyonkyonkun said: woahhhh not this user again in a thread complaining about lgbt rep gintokisbicep said: k guys how much longer do y'all think this thread is gonna stay open?? in a thread about bl he was in it got locked in like 4 days so lol The mods also locked a thread of mine because I asked if call of the night was pedo shit. It might be a bit more nuanced than I gave if credit for. But so many users on that thread cited the 9000 year old dragon loli argument. Along with the age of consent in japan being 13. And the reason why it was locked is because "Controversial moral issues" aren't allowed to be thread topics. So obviously a thread being locked isn't a mark against the creator. |
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Rikku said: Never got into any GG games anyway so i don't care. That said people are crazy if they think a straight male being forced into becoming the opposite gender is something to celebrate. If that's what the person originally wanted, them by all means they are free to do whatever they want. But that's not the case here. I'm sure if the roles here were reversed (character that identifies as gay just as example) is forced by their parents to only be attracted to the opposite gender and in the end they accept their parents wishes, this would be cancelled left and right. Not that i agree with forced habits in the first place. We really live on a society. Plus it's super regressive the way that men aren't allowed to be feminine anymore. A minority is being erased by people who would probably call themselves progressive. |
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TrishaCat said: RobertBobert said: Extremely basedBridget from Gulty Gear has officially become a girl in the current GG, In all seriousness this is really cool! In full support of Bridget coming out. I like how genuine and outright she is about it too, its a nice change of pace. If it wasn't for 2022, I would have thought it was trolling. Especially in combination with the right "based" meme. Narmy said: Rikku said: Never got into any GG games anyway so i don't care. That said people are crazy if they think a straight male being forced into becoming the opposite gender is something to celebrate. If that's what the person originally wanted, them by all means they are free to do whatever they want. But that's not the case here. I'm sure if the roles here were reversed (character that identifies as gay just as example) is forced by their parents to only be attracted to the opposite gender and in the end they accept their parents wishes, this would be cancelled left and right. Not that i agree with forced habits in the first place. We really live on a society. Plus it's super regressive the way that men aren't allowed to be feminine anymore. A minority is being erased by people who would probably call themselves progressive. There is something ironic about how quickly "men can be feminine" the idea quickly shifted to "if you're not stereotypically masculine, then you're a trans woman!". |
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