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Jun 30, 2022 12:54 PM
#51
mwinner said: I agree with CSM for a different reason, it seems to be pretty divisive amongst the community. I'd say like 95% of people who've read it, love it. I do think people will hate it just for the sake of hating the popular show when it comes out. |
Jun 30, 2022 1:20 PM
#52
I feel like the upcoming aot season will cause a lot of controversy due to the ending. If the manga readers were this mad at the ending, imagine the anime fans who have been following it for years. But who knows, they might be doing an anime original one, but whatever the case its gonna interesting look at the fan's reaction. |
Jun 30, 2022 1:22 PM
#53
Jun 30, 2022 2:12 PM
#54
kriissyy12 said: mwinner said: I agree with CSM for a different reason, it seems to be pretty divisive amongst the community. I'd say like 95% of people who've read it, love it. I do think people will hate it just for the sake of hating the popular show when it comes out. That's probably true. I think the haters are the loudest, to be honest. |
Jun 30, 2022 4:36 PM
#55
CSM? NAH,it will be the generic ecchi fanservice that(might actually good) that will be always the controversial one,simply because nowadays theres so many weeb that also an sjw woketard from twitter."this pedo,that misogyny..." blablabla bullshit. |
Jun 30, 2022 7:09 PM
#56
Everything can be considered controversial nowadays. Can't wait for the same repetitive "arguments" again. |
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Jun 30, 2022 11:43 PM
#57
zerokarasu said: CSM? NAH,it will be the generic ecchi fanservice that(might actually good) that will be always the controversial one,simply because nowadays theres so many weeb that also an sjw woketard from twitter."this pedo,that misogyny..." blablabla bullshit. CSM doesn't have much fanservice you dunce. Has sexual references but not much actual fanservice. |
Jun 30, 2022 11:48 PM
#58
csm as u already said as well as jigokuraku for all those gender bend rape scenes. |
Jul 1, 2022 12:04 AM
#59
imagine shit like chainsaw man is controversial, it's just a show made for losers like me who like a certain type of main character, unfortunately many people will watch it cause it screams popular but 90% of the watchers don't even like battle shonen and that type of story. chainsaw man is not controversial, it's just disgusting, few people enjoy kissing a girl while she's barfing |
Jul 1, 2022 12:12 AM
#60
Catalano said: imagine shit like chainsaw man is controversial, it's just a show made for losers like me who like a certain type of main character, unfortunately many people will watch it cause it screams popular but 90% of the watchers don't even like battle shonen and that type of story. chainsaw man is not controversial, it's just disgusting, few people enjoy kissing a girl while she's barfing I believe the warm, tender feeling of someone barfing in your mouth, sparked some hidden emotions of shonen fans. It isn't disgusting my friend, it is revolutionary. |
Jul 1, 2022 1:00 AM
#61
RobertBobert said: FanofAction said: DrBalls said: FanofAction said: If that's the case, I want to watch Chainsaw Man even more. It already had me at the name, but any "controversy" makes me more likely to try it. I've already watched multiple controversial shows, and they're never as bad as people make them sound. Shield Hero, Goblin Slayer, Mushoku Tensei. Never. The only one that kinda came close was Made in Abyss. And I guess Berserk 2016, but only because it was hated for the way it looked, which I can kinda agree with, even though I didn't completely hate it. Tbh controversy usually starts for the dumbest reasons. Providing no context for a scene and then slandering it online has become pretty common. So much that I've started to watch controversial series more than before. As you said they can be pretty good. Especially some of the newer controversies. I've seen the complaints about stuff like Spy X Family and Uzaki-chan. They're so damn stupid. I swear constant internet access has made people dumber, which I'm pretty sure is the exact opposite of what was intended. The internet hasn't made people dumber, it's just allowed us to learn more about each other. For example, in the 00s, you would hardly be able to meet a Muslim girl who thinks Spy x Family is racist, because the show in the European setting does not include Muslims and people of color. samashi20 said: Possibly Makoto Shinkai's new movie? I don't know about problematic scenes, but I am sure it will be under a lot of scrutiny and that'll spark some controversy. Problem scenes in the new Shinkai's movie? I'm saying that unlike CSM, Shinkai's movie wouldn't necessarily contain "controversial/problematic" scenes, but the controversy would rather arise from the repetitive themes and split opinions around the show. This is obviously just a prediction if you will. |
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Jul 3, 2022 2:51 AM
#62
DrBalls said: mwinner said: I agree with CSM for a different reason, it seems to be pretty divisive amongst the community. I don't think there has ever been a dark fantasy series, especially one that doesn't care to hold back on the gore and explicit content such as CSM, which hasn't been divisive in the anime community. So you already forgot about Berserk or Aot? |
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Jul 3, 2022 2:54 AM
#63
Scordolo said: DrBalls said: mwinner said: I agree with CSM for a different reason, it seems to be pretty divisive amongst the community. I don't think there has ever been a dark fantasy series, especially one that doesn't care to hold back on the gore and explicit content such as CSM, which hasn't been divisive in the anime community. So you already forgot about Berserk or Aot? While Berserk is loved by the majority of readers, there are also those who say it's too gory or too explicit. While AoT's ending caused the biggest controversy ever. So how are these not divisive? |
Jul 3, 2022 3:47 AM
#64
Scordolo said: AoT is probably the most divisive manga series in recent years... It's gore is also pretty tame.DrBalls said: mwinner said: I agree with CSM for a different reason, it seems to be pretty divisive amongst the community. I don't think there has ever been a dark fantasy series, especially one that doesn't care to hold back on the gore and explicit content such as CSM, which hasn't been divisive in the anime community. So you already forgot about Berserk or Aot? |
Jul 4, 2022 6:06 AM
#66
kriissyy12 said: zerokarasu said: CSM? NAH,it will be the generic ecchi fanservice that(might actually good) that will be always the controversial one,simply because nowadays theres so many weeb that also an sjw woketard from twitter."this pedo,that misogyny..." blablabla bullshit. CSM doesn't have much fanservice you dunce. Has sexual references but not much actual fanservice. whos talking about CSM? im talking about generic ecchi fanservice series that will instant controversy just because some sjw woketard cant handle tits |
Jul 4, 2022 6:35 AM
#67
RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: What would you say is the most controversial upcoming anime series? Personally I think it will be Chainsaw Man. While it is certainly loved and influential in the anime community, there are scenes that will spur some controversy. I think the most controversial part of CSM will be the fanbase tho, I can only imagine how badly Makima dogs will be bullied constantly online (which is a good thing🗿). You can't make a controversial show that already has a fanbase of girls on twitter. This is the fate of purely "male shows" like Nagatoro or Shield Hero. It seems you haven't seen the MHA controversies over the years...death threats to the author for not making any of the underage characters gay, which was started by female fans of the series. This does not make the franchise controversial. This is a classic case of the toxicity of a part of the audience that tries to subdue the author, ignoring the rest of the audience or even most of the audience. If an anime is able to attract toxic fans, then it is a controversial anime to me. Well I guess every anime can attract toxic fans, but not all anime have such a large amount of fans that are constantly at the center of a lot of controversies. Most of these shows are just popular enough to attract all sorts of people, including the weird ones. For example, I don't think it's Genshin's fault per se that its fans are harassing illustrators for "wrong ships". Idk, the amount of lolis can be seen as a clear reason for the way the fanbase is. I don't like to judge a fanbase based on what they like, however series and games that adhere to these type of tropes and characters, will inevitably attract weird fans. I have never seen people obsessed with Genshin mainly because of lolis. I have. They're in great number as well. Either way I don't care, I'm just saying that there is a correlation between the content of a franchise, and its fanbase. Are you saying that the shonen franchise is to blame for their current fandoms being filled with toxic gay obsessed girls? It is. I saw a literature youtuber, who read shonen manga for the first time and described it as "pretty boys fighting". That's the perspective of a new shonen watcher/reader nowadays. So why wouldn't a demographic that focuses on such characters have overly obsessive female fans who sexualize the male characters? I don't quite understand why it's still shonen's fault, not a problem of accessing it to the wrong audience. If a series purposefully draws attention by having pretty drawn characters on covers, logically that would mean people with an interest only on these characters will be attracted to these particular series. Idk how that is so hard to comprehend. I find it difficult to understand the direction of your thinking, which seems to drift stubbornly towards the idea that beautiful women themselves are to blame for attracting horny men. If these women present themselves as sex slaves and sell their entire identity on sth like onlyfans, then yeah, they are to blame. Shonen manga are marketed in a specific way to attract attention, and each reader can find at least one thing they're looking for in this demographic. How else do you think shonen became so popular? And if one aspect of shonen manga is more prominent than another (in this case the way characters are drawn), then it is pretty obvious what kind of fans it will attract. Are you literally saying that any promotion of shonen manga to girls is tantamount to attracting a toxic audience? Not every single one, but yes. Jujutsu Kaisen, Chainsaw Man, Demon Slayer, My Hero Academia, these are just a few examples of that. Never have I ever seen women become so defensive of a fictional male character before, try to criticize Gojo, Aki, Giyuu, Todoroki or any other characters of these shows, and you will get crucified. That just shows how well the promotion worked I guess. Not all female viewers or readers of shonen series are like that, but the more vocal ones are clearly just toxic fans. And they aren't small in number either. Toxic male fans don't exist? There's probably a reason why "narutard" was such a popular insult for teen fans in the 00s. I never said that. But male fans tend to be more toxic about other aspects of a series. Like defending the power scaling for example. Sure, you can always find neckbeards who'd become even more toxic by defending their favorite waifu, but these types of people are usually a threat to society as a whole and can get turned on by anything they see. But what exactly makes female fans special? Oh well idk...sending death threats to an author for not making children characters gay doesn't seem enough to call female fans "special" to you? Well, Chinese fans wrote insults to Horikoshi for making the new villain look like Japanese war criminals. But we're not saying that Chinese fans are special. Oh chinese fans are special. All that communist propaganda has turned their brain to mush. Let me guess, in Germany, probably all people are Nazis? That's a bit different. They're not under constant pressure from their government that is tryna convert them into nazis, unlike China. And the Chinese are? Can you give me examples? Learning communist ideals in school...that's more than enough. Seriously? Is this your whole propaganda argument? Are you saying that Western countries do not preach ideas in schools? Chinese people are taught communism is great from the moment they're old enough to read. You see a million chinese shows and movies that glorify the commies. The Chinese have songs that go Mother and father are great, but Mao is greater. Germany is trying it's hardest to wash away it's sins from the Hitler era. China? They're proud of Mao's atrocities and are teaching their kids the same in every stage of their life. You go over to bilibili.com and you'd see Chinese nationalists giving negative reviews to shows like Shimoneta (which aren't even available in the mainland) as they'rre used to insult their country or whatever. Ai Kayano was forced to apologise because the Chinese fans made a big deal about her visiting a shrine that harbours the graves of dead Japanese soldiers from the second world war. The Chinese actively takes part in fucking up entertainment as well. They recently removed Kyoukai Senki because of it's Japanese nationalism and themes of rebellion. |
Jul 4, 2022 6:39 AM
#68
Alphonae said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: What would you say is the most controversial upcoming anime series? Personally I think it will be Chainsaw Man. While it is certainly loved and influential in the anime community, there are scenes that will spur some controversy. I think the most controversial part of CSM will be the fanbase tho, I can only imagine how badly Makima dogs will be bullied constantly online (which is a good thing🗿). You can't make a controversial show that already has a fanbase of girls on twitter. This is the fate of purely "male shows" like Nagatoro or Shield Hero. It seems you haven't seen the MHA controversies over the years...death threats to the author for not making any of the underage characters gay, which was started by female fans of the series. This does not make the franchise controversial. This is a classic case of the toxicity of a part of the audience that tries to subdue the author, ignoring the rest of the audience or even most of the audience. If an anime is able to attract toxic fans, then it is a controversial anime to me. Well I guess every anime can attract toxic fans, but not all anime have such a large amount of fans that are constantly at the center of a lot of controversies. Most of these shows are just popular enough to attract all sorts of people, including the weird ones. For example, I don't think it's Genshin's fault per se that its fans are harassing illustrators for "wrong ships". Idk, the amount of lolis can be seen as a clear reason for the way the fanbase is. I don't like to judge a fanbase based on what they like, however series and games that adhere to these type of tropes and characters, will inevitably attract weird fans. I have never seen people obsessed with Genshin mainly because of lolis. I have. They're in great number as well. Either way I don't care, I'm just saying that there is a correlation between the content of a franchise, and its fanbase. Are you saying that the shonen franchise is to blame for their current fandoms being filled with toxic gay obsessed girls? It is. I saw a literature youtuber, who read shonen manga for the first time and described it as "pretty boys fighting". That's the perspective of a new shonen watcher/reader nowadays. So why wouldn't a demographic that focuses on such characters have overly obsessive female fans who sexualize the male characters? I don't quite understand why it's still shonen's fault, not a problem of accessing it to the wrong audience. If a series purposefully draws attention by having pretty drawn characters on covers, logically that would mean people with an interest only on these characters will be attracted to these particular series. Idk how that is so hard to comprehend. I find it difficult to understand the direction of your thinking, which seems to drift stubbornly towards the idea that beautiful women themselves are to blame for attracting horny men. If these women present themselves as sex slaves and sell their entire identity on sth like onlyfans, then yeah, they are to blame. Shonen manga are marketed in a specific way to attract attention, and each reader can find at least one thing they're looking for in this demographic. How else do you think shonen became so popular? And if one aspect of shonen manga is more prominent than another (in this case the way characters are drawn), then it is pretty obvious what kind of fans it will attract. Are you literally saying that any promotion of shonen manga to girls is tantamount to attracting a toxic audience? Not every single one, but yes. Jujutsu Kaisen, Chainsaw Man, Demon Slayer, My Hero Academia, these are just a few examples of that. Never have I ever seen women become so defensive of a fictional male character before, try to criticize Gojo, Aki, Giyuu, Todoroki or any other characters of these shows, and you will get crucified. That just shows how well the promotion worked I guess. Not all female viewers or readers of shonen series are like that, but the more vocal ones are clearly just toxic fans. And they aren't small in number either. Toxic male fans don't exist? There's probably a reason why "narutard" was such a popular insult for teen fans in the 00s. I never said that. But male fans tend to be more toxic about other aspects of a series. Like defending the power scaling for example. Sure, you can always find neckbeards who'd become even more toxic by defending their favorite waifu, but these types of people are usually a threat to society as a whole and can get turned on by anything they see. But what exactly makes female fans special? Oh well idk...sending death threats to an author for not making children characters gay doesn't seem enough to call female fans "special" to you? Well, Chinese fans wrote insults to Horikoshi for making the new villain look like Japanese war criminals. But we're not saying that Chinese fans are special. Oh chinese fans are special. All that communist propaganda has turned their brain to mush. Let me guess, in Germany, probably all people are Nazis? That's a bit different. They're not under constant pressure from their government that is tryna convert them into nazis, unlike China. And the Chinese are? Can you give me examples? Learning communist ideals in school...that's more than enough. Seriously? Is this your whole propaganda argument? Are you saying that Western countries do not preach ideas in schools? Chinese people are taught communism is great from the moment they're old enough to read. You see a million chinese shows and movies that glorify the commies. The Chinese have songs that go Mother and father are great, but Mao is greater. Germany is trying it's hardest to wash away it's sins from the Hitler era. China? They're proud of Mao's atrocities and are teaching their kids the same in every stage of their life. You go over to bilibili.com and you'd see Chinese nationalists giving negative reviews to shows like Shimoneta (which aren't even available in the mainland) as they'rre used to insult their country or whatever. Ai Kayano was forced to apologise because the Chinese fans made a big deal about her visiting a shrine that harbours the graves of dead Japanese soldiers from the second world war. The Chinese actively takes part in fucking up entertainment as well. They recently removed Kyoukai Senki because of it's Japanese nationalism and themes of rebellion. Now open Disney + (a brand that literally prided itself on promoting a "not so secretive gay agenda") or read what the Western media write about the war in Ukraine and tell me how it is fundamentally different from what you have just described. |
Jul 4, 2022 6:44 AM
#69
RobertBobert said: Alphonae said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: What would you say is the most controversial upcoming anime series? Personally I think it will be Chainsaw Man. While it is certainly loved and influential in the anime community, there are scenes that will spur some controversy. I think the most controversial part of CSM will be the fanbase tho, I can only imagine how badly Makima dogs will be bullied constantly online (which is a good thing🗿). You can't make a controversial show that already has a fanbase of girls on twitter. This is the fate of purely "male shows" like Nagatoro or Shield Hero. It seems you haven't seen the MHA controversies over the years...death threats to the author for not making any of the underage characters gay, which was started by female fans of the series. This does not make the franchise controversial. This is a classic case of the toxicity of a part of the audience that tries to subdue the author, ignoring the rest of the audience or even most of the audience. If an anime is able to attract toxic fans, then it is a controversial anime to me. Well I guess every anime can attract toxic fans, but not all anime have such a large amount of fans that are constantly at the center of a lot of controversies. Most of these shows are just popular enough to attract all sorts of people, including the weird ones. For example, I don't think it's Genshin's fault per se that its fans are harassing illustrators for "wrong ships". Idk, the amount of lolis can be seen as a clear reason for the way the fanbase is. I don't like to judge a fanbase based on what they like, however series and games that adhere to these type of tropes and characters, will inevitably attract weird fans. I have never seen people obsessed with Genshin mainly because of lolis. I have. They're in great number as well. Either way I don't care, I'm just saying that there is a correlation between the content of a franchise, and its fanbase. Are you saying that the shonen franchise is to blame for their current fandoms being filled with toxic gay obsessed girls? It is. I saw a literature youtuber, who read shonen manga for the first time and described it as "pretty boys fighting". That's the perspective of a new shonen watcher/reader nowadays. So why wouldn't a demographic that focuses on such characters have overly obsessive female fans who sexualize the male characters? I don't quite understand why it's still shonen's fault, not a problem of accessing it to the wrong audience. If a series purposefully draws attention by having pretty drawn characters on covers, logically that would mean people with an interest only on these characters will be attracted to these particular series. Idk how that is so hard to comprehend. I find it difficult to understand the direction of your thinking, which seems to drift stubbornly towards the idea that beautiful women themselves are to blame for attracting horny men. If these women present themselves as sex slaves and sell their entire identity on sth like onlyfans, then yeah, they are to blame. Shonen manga are marketed in a specific way to attract attention, and each reader can find at least one thing they're looking for in this demographic. How else do you think shonen became so popular? And if one aspect of shonen manga is more prominent than another (in this case the way characters are drawn), then it is pretty obvious what kind of fans it will attract. Are you literally saying that any promotion of shonen manga to girls is tantamount to attracting a toxic audience? Not every single one, but yes. Jujutsu Kaisen, Chainsaw Man, Demon Slayer, My Hero Academia, these are just a few examples of that. Never have I ever seen women become so defensive of a fictional male character before, try to criticize Gojo, Aki, Giyuu, Todoroki or any other characters of these shows, and you will get crucified. That just shows how well the promotion worked I guess. Not all female viewers or readers of shonen series are like that, but the more vocal ones are clearly just toxic fans. And they aren't small in number either. Toxic male fans don't exist? There's probably a reason why "narutard" was such a popular insult for teen fans in the 00s. I never said that. But male fans tend to be more toxic about other aspects of a series. Like defending the power scaling for example. Sure, you can always find neckbeards who'd become even more toxic by defending their favorite waifu, but these types of people are usually a threat to society as a whole and can get turned on by anything they see. But what exactly makes female fans special? Oh well idk...sending death threats to an author for not making children characters gay doesn't seem enough to call female fans "special" to you? Well, Chinese fans wrote insults to Horikoshi for making the new villain look like Japanese war criminals. But we're not saying that Chinese fans are special. Oh chinese fans are special. All that communist propaganda has turned their brain to mush. Let me guess, in Germany, probably all people are Nazis? That's a bit different. They're not under constant pressure from their government that is tryna convert them into nazis, unlike China. And the Chinese are? Can you give me examples? Learning communist ideals in school...that's more than enough. Seriously? Is this your whole propaganda argument? Are you saying that Western countries do not preach ideas in schools? Chinese people are taught communism is great from the moment they're old enough to read. You see a million chinese shows and movies that glorify the commies. The Chinese have songs that go Mother and father are great, but Mao is greater. Germany is trying it's hardest to wash away it's sins from the Hitler era. China? They're proud of Mao's atrocities and are teaching their kids the same in every stage of their life. You go over to bilibili.com and you'd see Chinese nationalists giving negative reviews to shows like Shimoneta (which aren't even available in the mainland) as they'rre used to insult their country or whatever. Ai Kayano was forced to apologise because the Chinese fans made a big deal about her visiting a shrine that harbours the graves of dead Japanese soldiers from the second world war. The Chinese actively takes part in fucking up entertainment as well. They recently removed Kyoukai Senki because of it's Japanese nationalism and themes of rebellion. Now open Disney + (a brand that literally prided itself on promoting a "not so secretive gay agenda") or read what the Western media write about the war in Ukraine and tell me how it is fundamentally different from what you have just described. Doesn't matter. We are talking about Chinese fans. |
Jul 4, 2022 6:45 AM
#70
Alphonae said: RobertBobert said: Alphonae said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: What would you say is the most controversial upcoming anime series? Personally I think it will be Chainsaw Man. While it is certainly loved and influential in the anime community, there are scenes that will spur some controversy. I think the most controversial part of CSM will be the fanbase tho, I can only imagine how badly Makima dogs will be bullied constantly online (which is a good thing🗿). You can't make a controversial show that already has a fanbase of girls on twitter. This is the fate of purely "male shows" like Nagatoro or Shield Hero. It seems you haven't seen the MHA controversies over the years...death threats to the author for not making any of the underage characters gay, which was started by female fans of the series. This does not make the franchise controversial. This is a classic case of the toxicity of a part of the audience that tries to subdue the author, ignoring the rest of the audience or even most of the audience. If an anime is able to attract toxic fans, then it is a controversial anime to me. Well I guess every anime can attract toxic fans, but not all anime have such a large amount of fans that are constantly at the center of a lot of controversies. Most of these shows are just popular enough to attract all sorts of people, including the weird ones. For example, I don't think it's Genshin's fault per se that its fans are harassing illustrators for "wrong ships". Idk, the amount of lolis can be seen as a clear reason for the way the fanbase is. I don't like to judge a fanbase based on what they like, however series and games that adhere to these type of tropes and characters, will inevitably attract weird fans. I have never seen people obsessed with Genshin mainly because of lolis. I have. They're in great number as well. Either way I don't care, I'm just saying that there is a correlation between the content of a franchise, and its fanbase. Are you saying that the shonen franchise is to blame for their current fandoms being filled with toxic gay obsessed girls? It is. I saw a literature youtuber, who read shonen manga for the first time and described it as "pretty boys fighting". That's the perspective of a new shonen watcher/reader nowadays. So why wouldn't a demographic that focuses on such characters have overly obsessive female fans who sexualize the male characters? I don't quite understand why it's still shonen's fault, not a problem of accessing it to the wrong audience. If a series purposefully draws attention by having pretty drawn characters on covers, logically that would mean people with an interest only on these characters will be attracted to these particular series. Idk how that is so hard to comprehend. I find it difficult to understand the direction of your thinking, which seems to drift stubbornly towards the idea that beautiful women themselves are to blame for attracting horny men. If these women present themselves as sex slaves and sell their entire identity on sth like onlyfans, then yeah, they are to blame. Shonen manga are marketed in a specific way to attract attention, and each reader can find at least one thing they're looking for in this demographic. How else do you think shonen became so popular? And if one aspect of shonen manga is more prominent than another (in this case the way characters are drawn), then it is pretty obvious what kind of fans it will attract. Are you literally saying that any promotion of shonen manga to girls is tantamount to attracting a toxic audience? Not every single one, but yes. Jujutsu Kaisen, Chainsaw Man, Demon Slayer, My Hero Academia, these are just a few examples of that. Never have I ever seen women become so defensive of a fictional male character before, try to criticize Gojo, Aki, Giyuu, Todoroki or any other characters of these shows, and you will get crucified. That just shows how well the promotion worked I guess. Not all female viewers or readers of shonen series are like that, but the more vocal ones are clearly just toxic fans. And they aren't small in number either. Toxic male fans don't exist? There's probably a reason why "narutard" was such a popular insult for teen fans in the 00s. I never said that. But male fans tend to be more toxic about other aspects of a series. Like defending the power scaling for example. Sure, you can always find neckbeards who'd become even more toxic by defending their favorite waifu, but these types of people are usually a threat to society as a whole and can get turned on by anything they see. But what exactly makes female fans special? Oh well idk...sending death threats to an author for not making children characters gay doesn't seem enough to call female fans "special" to you? Well, Chinese fans wrote insults to Horikoshi for making the new villain look like Japanese war criminals. But we're not saying that Chinese fans are special. Oh chinese fans are special. All that communist propaganda has turned their brain to mush. Let me guess, in Germany, probably all people are Nazis? That's a bit different. They're not under constant pressure from their government that is tryna convert them into nazis, unlike China. And the Chinese are? Can you give me examples? Learning communist ideals in school...that's more than enough. Seriously? Is this your whole propaganda argument? Are you saying that Western countries do not preach ideas in schools? Chinese people are taught communism is great from the moment they're old enough to read. You see a million chinese shows and movies that glorify the commies. The Chinese have songs that go Mother and father are great, but Mao is greater. Germany is trying it's hardest to wash away it's sins from the Hitler era. China? They're proud of Mao's atrocities and are teaching their kids the same in every stage of their life. You go over to bilibili.com and you'd see Chinese nationalists giving negative reviews to shows like Shimoneta (which aren't even available in the mainland) as they'rre used to insult their country or whatever. Ai Kayano was forced to apologise because the Chinese fans made a big deal about her visiting a shrine that harbours the graves of dead Japanese soldiers from the second world war. The Chinese actively takes part in fucking up entertainment as well. They recently removed Kyoukai Senki because of it's Japanese nationalism and themes of rebellion. Now open Disney + (a brand that literally prided itself on promoting a "not so secretive gay agenda") or read what the Western media write about the war in Ukraine and tell me how it is fundamentally different from what you have just described. Doesn't matter. We are talking about Chinese fans. Ahaha, I literally predicted that you would either evade the answer or try to use the "it's different, you won't understand" trick. Classic. |
Jul 4, 2022 6:51 AM
#71
RobertBobert said: Alphonae said: RobertBobert said: Alphonae said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: What would you say is the most controversial upcoming anime series? Personally I think it will be Chainsaw Man. While it is certainly loved and influential in the anime community, there are scenes that will spur some controversy. I think the most controversial part of CSM will be the fanbase tho, I can only imagine how badly Makima dogs will be bullied constantly online (which is a good thing🗿). You can't make a controversial show that already has a fanbase of girls on twitter. This is the fate of purely "male shows" like Nagatoro or Shield Hero. It seems you haven't seen the MHA controversies over the years...death threats to the author for not making any of the underage characters gay, which was started by female fans of the series. This does not make the franchise controversial. This is a classic case of the toxicity of a part of the audience that tries to subdue the author, ignoring the rest of the audience or even most of the audience. If an anime is able to attract toxic fans, then it is a controversial anime to me. Well I guess every anime can attract toxic fans, but not all anime have such a large amount of fans that are constantly at the center of a lot of controversies. Most of these shows are just popular enough to attract all sorts of people, including the weird ones. For example, I don't think it's Genshin's fault per se that its fans are harassing illustrators for "wrong ships". Idk, the amount of lolis can be seen as a clear reason for the way the fanbase is. I don't like to judge a fanbase based on what they like, however series and games that adhere to these type of tropes and characters, will inevitably attract weird fans. I have never seen people obsessed with Genshin mainly because of lolis. I have. They're in great number as well. Either way I don't care, I'm just saying that there is a correlation between the content of a franchise, and its fanbase. Are you saying that the shonen franchise is to blame for their current fandoms being filled with toxic gay obsessed girls? It is. I saw a literature youtuber, who read shonen manga for the first time and described it as "pretty boys fighting". That's the perspective of a new shonen watcher/reader nowadays. So why wouldn't a demographic that focuses on such characters have overly obsessive female fans who sexualize the male characters? I don't quite understand why it's still shonen's fault, not a problem of accessing it to the wrong audience. If a series purposefully draws attention by having pretty drawn characters on covers, logically that would mean people with an interest only on these characters will be attracted to these particular series. Idk how that is so hard to comprehend. I find it difficult to understand the direction of your thinking, which seems to drift stubbornly towards the idea that beautiful women themselves are to blame for attracting horny men. If these women present themselves as sex slaves and sell their entire identity on sth like onlyfans, then yeah, they are to blame. Shonen manga are marketed in a specific way to attract attention, and each reader can find at least one thing they're looking for in this demographic. How else do you think shonen became so popular? And if one aspect of shonen manga is more prominent than another (in this case the way characters are drawn), then it is pretty obvious what kind of fans it will attract. Are you literally saying that any promotion of shonen manga to girls is tantamount to attracting a toxic audience? Not every single one, but yes. Jujutsu Kaisen, Chainsaw Man, Demon Slayer, My Hero Academia, these are just a few examples of that. Never have I ever seen women become so defensive of a fictional male character before, try to criticize Gojo, Aki, Giyuu, Todoroki or any other characters of these shows, and you will get crucified. That just shows how well the promotion worked I guess. Not all female viewers or readers of shonen series are like that, but the more vocal ones are clearly just toxic fans. And they aren't small in number either. Toxic male fans don't exist? There's probably a reason why "narutard" was such a popular insult for teen fans in the 00s. I never said that. But male fans tend to be more toxic about other aspects of a series. Like defending the power scaling for example. Sure, you can always find neckbeards who'd become even more toxic by defending their favorite waifu, but these types of people are usually a threat to society as a whole and can get turned on by anything they see. But what exactly makes female fans special? Oh well idk...sending death threats to an author for not making children characters gay doesn't seem enough to call female fans "special" to you? Well, Chinese fans wrote insults to Horikoshi for making the new villain look like Japanese war criminals. But we're not saying that Chinese fans are special. Oh chinese fans are special. All that communist propaganda has turned their brain to mush. Let me guess, in Germany, probably all people are Nazis? That's a bit different. They're not under constant pressure from their government that is tryna convert them into nazis, unlike China. And the Chinese are? Can you give me examples? Learning communist ideals in school...that's more than enough. Seriously? Is this your whole propaganda argument? Are you saying that Western countries do not preach ideas in schools? Chinese people are taught communism is great from the moment they're old enough to read. You see a million chinese shows and movies that glorify the commies. The Chinese have songs that go Mother and father are great, but Mao is greater. Germany is trying it's hardest to wash away it's sins from the Hitler era. China? They're proud of Mao's atrocities and are teaching their kids the same in every stage of their life. You go over to bilibili.com and you'd see Chinese nationalists giving negative reviews to shows like Shimoneta (which aren't even available in the mainland) as they'rre used to insult their country or whatever. Ai Kayano was forced to apologise because the Chinese fans made a big deal about her visiting a shrine that harbours the graves of dead Japanese soldiers from the second world war. The Chinese actively takes part in fucking up entertainment as well. They recently removed Kyoukai Senki because of it's Japanese nationalism and themes of rebellion. Now open Disney + (a brand that literally prided itself on promoting a "not so secretive gay agenda") or read what the Western media write about the war in Ukraine and tell me how it is fundamentally different from what you have just described. Doesn't matter. We are talking about Chinese fans. Ahaha, I literally predicted that you would either evade the answer or try to use the "it's different, you won't understand" trick. Classic. No no no. You do unerstand. You just don't have he balls to admit China is screwing up entertainment. You getting a job over there soon or smn? |
Jul 4, 2022 6:54 AM
#72
Anything popular always has controversy or rather divisiveness as a default though. For everything really popular there will always follow a string of very vocal haters who want to see it fail or do poorly instead because it's not their favourite anime instead. I'm more curious to see what anime will get true controversy for things in it people tend to not like. |
Jul 4, 2022 6:55 AM
#73
Alphonae said: RobertBobert said: Alphonae said: RobertBobert said: Alphonae said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: RobertBobert said: DrBalls said: What would you say is the most controversial upcoming anime series? Personally I think it will be Chainsaw Man. While it is certainly loved and influential in the anime community, there are scenes that will spur some controversy. I think the most controversial part of CSM will be the fanbase tho, I can only imagine how badly Makima dogs will be bullied constantly online (which is a good thing🗿). You can't make a controversial show that already has a fanbase of girls on twitter. This is the fate of purely "male shows" like Nagatoro or Shield Hero. It seems you haven't seen the MHA controversies over the years...death threats to the author for not making any of the underage characters gay, which was started by female fans of the series. This does not make the franchise controversial. This is a classic case of the toxicity of a part of the audience that tries to subdue the author, ignoring the rest of the audience or even most of the audience. If an anime is able to attract toxic fans, then it is a controversial anime to me. Well I guess every anime can attract toxic fans, but not all anime have such a large amount of fans that are constantly at the center of a lot of controversies. Most of these shows are just popular enough to attract all sorts of people, including the weird ones. For example, I don't think it's Genshin's fault per se that its fans are harassing illustrators for "wrong ships". Idk, the amount of lolis can be seen as a clear reason for the way the fanbase is. I don't like to judge a fanbase based on what they like, however series and games that adhere to these type of tropes and characters, will inevitably attract weird fans. I have never seen people obsessed with Genshin mainly because of lolis. I have. They're in great number as well. Either way I don't care, I'm just saying that there is a correlation between the content of a franchise, and its fanbase. Are you saying that the shonen franchise is to blame for their current fandoms being filled with toxic gay obsessed girls? It is. I saw a literature youtuber, who read shonen manga for the first time and described it as "pretty boys fighting". That's the perspective of a new shonen watcher/reader nowadays. So why wouldn't a demographic that focuses on such characters have overly obsessive female fans who sexualize the male characters? I don't quite understand why it's still shonen's fault, not a problem of accessing it to the wrong audience. If a series purposefully draws attention by having pretty drawn characters on covers, logically that would mean people with an interest only on these characters will be attracted to these particular series. Idk how that is so hard to comprehend. I find it difficult to understand the direction of your thinking, which seems to drift stubbornly towards the idea that beautiful women themselves are to blame for attracting horny men. If these women present themselves as sex slaves and sell their entire identity on sth like onlyfans, then yeah, they are to blame. Shonen manga are marketed in a specific way to attract attention, and each reader can find at least one thing they're looking for in this demographic. How else do you think shonen became so popular? And if one aspect of shonen manga is more prominent than another (in this case the way characters are drawn), then it is pretty obvious what kind of fans it will attract. Are you literally saying that any promotion of shonen manga to girls is tantamount to attracting a toxic audience? Not every single one, but yes. Jujutsu Kaisen, Chainsaw Man, Demon Slayer, My Hero Academia, these are just a few examples of that. Never have I ever seen women become so defensive of a fictional male character before, try to criticize Gojo, Aki, Giyuu, Todoroki or any other characters of these shows, and you will get crucified. That just shows how well the promotion worked I guess. Not all female viewers or readers of shonen series are like that, but the more vocal ones are clearly just toxic fans. And they aren't small in number either. Toxic male fans don't exist? There's probably a reason why "narutard" was such a popular insult for teen fans in the 00s. I never said that. But male fans tend to be more toxic about other aspects of a series. Like defending the power scaling for example. Sure, you can always find neckbeards who'd become even more toxic by defending their favorite waifu, but these types of people are usually a threat to society as a whole and can get turned on by anything they see. But what exactly makes female fans special? Oh well idk...sending death threats to an author for not making children characters gay doesn't seem enough to call female fans "special" to you? Well, Chinese fans wrote insults to Horikoshi for making the new villain look like Japanese war criminals. But we're not saying that Chinese fans are special. Oh chinese fans are special. All that communist propaganda has turned their brain to mush. Let me guess, in Germany, probably all people are Nazis? That's a bit different. They're not under constant pressure from their government that is tryna convert them into nazis, unlike China. And the Chinese are? Can you give me examples? Learning communist ideals in school...that's more than enough. Seriously? Is this your whole propaganda argument? Are you saying that Western countries do not preach ideas in schools? Chinese people are taught communism is great from the moment they're old enough to read. You see a million chinese shows and movies that glorify the commies. The Chinese have songs that go Mother and father are great, but Mao is greater. Germany is trying it's hardest to wash away it's sins from the Hitler era. China? They're proud of Mao's atrocities and are teaching their kids the same in every stage of their life. You go over to bilibili.com and you'd see Chinese nationalists giving negative reviews to shows like Shimoneta (which aren't even available in the mainland) as they'rre used to insult their country or whatever. Ai Kayano was forced to apologise because the Chinese fans made a big deal about her visiting a shrine that harbours the graves of dead Japanese soldiers from the second world war. The Chinese actively takes part in fucking up entertainment as well. They recently removed Kyoukai Senki because of it's Japanese nationalism and themes of rebellion. Now open Disney + (a brand that literally prided itself on promoting a "not so secretive gay agenda") or read what the Western media write about the war in Ukraine and tell me how it is fundamentally different from what you have just described. Doesn't matter. We are talking about Chinese fans. Ahaha, I literally predicted that you would either evade the answer or try to use the "it's different, you won't understand" trick. Classic. No no no. You do unerstand. You just don't have he balls to admit China is screwing up entertainment. You getting a job over there soon or smn? Dude, I have absolutely no desire to have a political argument with a random blank page bot, sorry. |
Jul 4, 2022 7:43 AM
#74
chronofantasy said: Anything popular always has controversy or rather divisiveness as a default though. For everything really popular there will always follow a string of very vocal haters who want to see it fail or do poorly instead because it's not their favourite anime instead. I'm more curious to see what anime will get true controversy for things in it people tend to not like. Redo of Healer. The upcoming Isekai Meikyuu de Harem Wo. |
Jul 4, 2022 4:58 PM
#75
Alphonae said: chronofantasy said: Anything popular always has controversy or rather divisiveness as a default though. For everything really popular there will always follow a string of very vocal haters who want to see it fail or do poorly instead because it's not their favourite anime instead. I'm more curious to see what anime will get true controversy for things in it people tend to not like. Redo of Healer. The upcoming Isekai Meikyuu de Harem Wo. Redo of Healer I watched all of it and I'll admit I liked it. If it has controversy like that, I'll be sure to watch it. I just added the other one on my plan to watch list too if it'll have similar controversy too. |
Jul 4, 2022 10:50 PM
#76
chronofantasy said: Alphonae said: chronofantasy said: Anything popular always has controversy or rather divisiveness as a default though. For everything really popular there will always follow a string of very vocal haters who want to see it fail or do poorly instead because it's not their favourite anime instead. I'm more curious to see what anime will get true controversy for things in it people tend to not like. Redo of Healer. The upcoming Isekai Meikyuu de Harem Wo. Redo of Healer I watched all of it and I'll admit I liked it. If it has controversy like that, I'll be sure to watch it. I just added the other one on my plan to watch list too if it'll have similar controversy too. It's Japanese title translates to "Slave Harem in Another World". Doesn't feature rape like Redo, as far as I know, but even then, fucking your demi human/beast girl slaves might come off as controversal. Just hope Crucnhyroll don't pull an Interspecies reviewer with this done. |
Jul 5, 2022 8:17 AM
#77
I can't even figure out why people swoon over the manga and I read it before anyone could overhype it for me. The story is borderline incoherent especially near the end and a lot of the art work is too. The anime adaptation can fix any art issues easily and may even end before the plot completely loses its mind - so who knows how that will turn out. People who are already all-in will love it. People who get angry that people dont like what they like will hate it. The majority of us will move on from it once the season ends. |
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Jul 5, 2022 8:32 AM
#79
ComboSmooth said: I can't even figure out why people swoon over the manga and I read it before anyone could overhype it for me. The story is borderline incoherent especially near the end and a lot of the art work is too. The anime adaptation can fix any art issues easily and may even end before the plot completely loses its mind - so who knows how that will turn out. People who are already all-in will love it. People who get angry that people dont like what they like will hate it. The majority of us will move on from it once the season ends. CSM fans are pretty indifferent towards hate or dislike in general. They'll only care if you start spouting nonsense about certain tropes and characters. When it comes to people moving on after it ends, well duh, that's how it goes with most series, AoT final season hype died out almost completely after part 2 ended, only the fanbase really talks about it now, and that's arguably the most prominent anime of this generation, so... |
Jul 5, 2022 8:35 AM
#80
DrBalls said: ComboSmooth said: I can't even figure out why people swoon over the manga and I read it before anyone could overhype it for me. The story is borderline incoherent especially near the end and a lot of the art work is too. The anime adaptation can fix any art issues easily and may even end before the plot completely loses its mind - so who knows how that will turn out. People who are already all-in will love it. People who get angry that people dont like what they like will hate it. The majority of us will move on from it once the season ends. CSM fans are pretty indifferent towards hate or dislike in general. They'll only care if you start spouting nonsense about certain tropes and characters. When it comes to people moving on after it ends, well duh, that's how it goes with most series, AoT final season hype died out almost completely after part 2 ended, only the fanbase really talks about it now, and that's arguably the most prominent anime of this generation, so... I thought I was being pretty tame tbh. I barely believe there is a reason for CSM to be controversial, but popular anime always have detractors and even if those detractors are the minority, they seem to be the loudest people in the room. |
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Jul 5, 2022 8:38 AM
#81
ComboSmooth said: DrBalls said: ComboSmooth said: I can't even figure out why people swoon over the manga and I read it before anyone could overhype it for me. The story is borderline incoherent especially near the end and a lot of the art work is too. The anime adaptation can fix any art issues easily and may even end before the plot completely loses its mind - so who knows how that will turn out. People who are already all-in will love it. People who get angry that people dont like what they like will hate it. The majority of us will move on from it once the season ends. CSM fans are pretty indifferent towards hate or dislike in general. They'll only care if you start spouting nonsense about certain tropes and characters. When it comes to people moving on after it ends, well duh, that's how it goes with most series, AoT final season hype died out almost completely after part 2 ended, only the fanbase really talks about it now, and that's arguably the most prominent anime of this generation, so... I thought I was being pretty tame tbh. I barely believe there is a reason for CSM to be controversial, but popular anime always have detractors and even if those detractors are the minority, they seem to be the loudest people in the room. Well if you're used to dark, unconventional stories, then yeah it does seem tame. But then again, the internet doesn't understand that. You think 14 year old white girls on twitter have anything better to do with their time? They'll probably start going crazy over how sexualized Power is, or how Makima has unrealistic body features. With that said, the puke scene is probably too explicit for the majority of the community, so it would make sense for it to become quite controversial. |
Jul 5, 2022 4:55 PM
#82
animegamer245 said: chronofantasy said: There was no controversy surrounding Redo Healer, Shield Hero got a lot of attention in the west because the anime came out in early 2019 during the height of an online witchhunt movement, but everybody already knew that Redo Healer trashy revenge fantasy from the beginning, so it didn't get nearly as much attention. Also Redo Healer isn't meant to be taken seriously, even it's fans and author know that.Alphonae said: chronofantasy said: Anything popular always has controversy or rather divisiveness as a default though. For everything really popular there will always follow a string of very vocal haters who want to see it fail or do poorly instead because it's not their favourite anime instead. I'm more curious to see what anime will get true controversy for things in it people tend to not like. Redo of Healer. The upcoming Isekai Meikyuu de Harem Wo. Redo of Healer I watched all of it and I'll admit I liked it. If it has controversy like that, I'll be sure to watch it. I just added the other one on my plan to watch list too if it'll have similar controversy too. No, Shield Hero became controversial because it was popular yet also trashy in terms of quality. A lot of people dislike it and criticize it online, and they upset the fanboys by doing that. The Shield Hero fanboys then start calling everyone who criticize the show "offended snowflakes" and that how it got a bad name. There were no "witchhunt movement" online back in 2019. The only people who were doing witchhunting were the fanboys, and they only made themselves and the show look bad by doing that. |
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