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May 29, 2022 6:50 PM
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Like a bolt from the blue its 4 another threadview!


2days thread lets talk about what kind of “punk” themed anime or manga we would like to see be made more.

I'll get to the point and lets say cyberpunk.

I mean Psycho Pass is a pretty great series that should have only been one season. And just about almost everything with it from the music,story themes,characters,action,world design and also animation was just god tier levels of epic!!

And that’s honestly one of the best animes ever to have been made and it still holds up well to this day.

I also think steampunk as well is cool to see since Vanitas is making vampires sexy again.

Dogs bullets and carnage also focuses on biopunk which isn’t something I'd seen or learned about until I saw it so there is also that to explore too.

Currently that’s all I can think of from the top of my head.

What about you guys got a type of “punk” genre you wanna see be made more in anime or manga?

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May 30, 2022 12:33 AM
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"Psycho Pass is a pretty great series" - naaah, it's shallow and pretentious. Ghost In The Shell SAC lifted the bar way too high...even other entries from the same franchise can't compete.
Not to mention that this type of cyberpunk (the Neuromancer type) nowadays is only a form of retro futurism - future which never came.
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cyberpunk died in the late 90s imo, I don't think we can revive it but hey, I'm always down for some Bubblegum Crisis-like anime
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"Psycho Pass is a pretty great series" - naaah, it's shallow and pretentious. Ghost In The Shell SAC lifted the bar way too high...even other entries from the same franchise can't compete.
Not to mention that this type of cyberpunk (the Neuromancer type) nowadays is only a form of retro futurism - future which never came.


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cyberpunk died in the late 90s imo, I don't think we can revive it but hey, I'm always down for some Bubblegum Crisis-like anime


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there is indeed no point in reviving cyberpunk, that shit's way too real these days
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Catalano said:
cyberpunk died in the late 90s imo, I don't think we can revive it

Why would cyberpunk be dead? Just because we went past some fictional dates for xy fictional technology predicted decades ago? You can set a story written today in any future time you want, so what's the problem? In fact, I'd say we are now in a much better position to write cyberpunk than ever, because many technologies are either already possible or close to being completed, so we know what kind of stuff is unrealistic because impractical (flying cars, hologram screens :P) and what isn't and can paint a much more accurate - and frightening - future, informed by the issues and worries we have today.
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Catalano said:
cyberpunk died in the late 90s imo, I don't think we can revive it

Why would cyberpunk be dead? Just because we went past some fictional dates for xy fictional technology predicted decades ago? You can set a story written today in any future time you want, so what's the problem? In fact, I'd say we are now in a much better position to write cyberpunk than ever, because many technologies are either already possible or close to being completed, so we know what kind of stuff is unrealistic because impractical (flying cars, hologram screens :P) and what isn't and can paint a much more accurate - and frightening - future, informed by the issues and worries we have today.

the result won't be cyberpunk per se, it'll be something like Harmony, basically in these days "dystopia future" anime replaced cyberpunk. Cyberpunk has that tech and all, stuff that we kinda have today, no one will be impressed with wireless communication as they were in the 80s.
https://myanimelist.net/anime/28211/Harmony?q=harmony&cat=anime
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Just because we went past some fictional dates for xy fictional technology predicted decades ago?

Some of those predictions were ridiculous wrong and are totally outdated nowadays.
Personally I don't think all the ideas which came from cyberpunk are dead...but many many are. Not to mention the subgenre itself is not as popular as in the 80s and the 90s. My guess is some newer and better form of it will emerge.
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Catalano said:

the result won't be cyberpunk per se, it'll be something like Harmony, basically in these days "dystopia future" anime replaced cyberpunk. Cyberpunk has that tech and all, stuff that we kinda have today, no one will be impressed with wireless communication as they were in the 80s.
https://myanimelist.net/anime/28211/Harmony?q=harmony&cat=anime


Oh don't get me wrong, I don't think EVERY dystopian future is cyberpunk. But the genre in general is classified as an urban, dystopian future in the clasp of futuristic technology and science (plus evil mega-corporations, lol), so I don't see why we can't "update" the specific technologies and science progress to fit the worries of our time.
I haven't seen Harmony yet (though it sounds very interesting, thanks for bringing it to my attention!) but based on the description, with nanomachines, health implant surveillance systems etc. it does seem to fit the criteria of advanced technology and science?

The example mentioned by the OP, Psycho-Pass too. The idea of "quantifying" mental health and making it basically a resource was quite chilling to me.
We still have new anime coming out regularly which fit the deal, a recent example would be Tokyo 24th Ward (though not very good), adressing worries about total surveillance and autonomous technology cities. Things that aren't yet reality but very much may be in a few years.
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SleepySera said:
Catalano said:

the result won't be cyberpunk per se, it'll be something like Harmony, basically in these days "dystopia future" anime replaced cyberpunk. Cyberpunk has that tech and all, stuff that we kinda have today, no one will be impressed with wireless communication as they were in the 80s.
https://myanimelist.net/anime/28211/Harmony?q=harmony&cat=anime


Oh don't get me wrong, I don't think EVERY dystopian future is cyberpunk. But the genre in general is classified as an urban, dystopian future in the clasp of futuristic technology and science (plus evil mega-corporations, lol), so I don't see why we can't "update" the specific technologies and science progress to fit the worries of our time.
I haven't seen Harmony yet (though it sounds very interesting, thanks for bringing it to my attention!) but based on the description, with nanomachines, health implant surveillance systems etc. it does seem to fit the criteria of advanced technology and science?

The example mentioned by the OP, Psycho-Pass too. The idea of "quantifying" mental health and making it basically a resource was quite chilling to me.
We still have new anime coming out regularly which fit the deal, a recent example would be Tokyo 24th Ward (though not very good), adressing worries about total surveillance and autonomous technology cities. Things that aren't yet reality but very much may be in a few years.

true, you make a fair point and your post now reminded me of Vivy, well I don't know for sure what is and what isn't cyberpunk, I guess we can make anime about future humanity and its developments (from AIs to nanomachines and all)
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Some of those predictions were ridiculous wrong and are totally outdated nowadays.

That's always gonna be the biggest issue with predictions ;) Though I don't think that's necessarily a problem? Cyberpunk has always been more of a...rebellious warning along the lines of "this will be our future if we continue as we currently do and people who don't like it will be forced into the underground to live as rebels, hackers and whatnot" but humanity didn't always continue down the same road, realizing some stuff is inconvenient or outright harmful, so we strayed away from it.

I think we all agree cyberpunk still has value as a whole but is outdated as it is, just disagreeing on whether that means the genre needs a facelift or something new should replace it? :)
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Cottagepunk. I don't feel like I need to explain this one.
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SleepySera said:
Though I don't think that's necessarily a problem?

But it is, since only oldfarts like me will ignore those anachronisms...or niche fans of retrofuturism.

This is why sci-fi writers use outflank tactics like alternative history, steam punk, diesel punk ect - to make their stories more technology independent.

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Cyberpunk has always been more of a...rebellious warning along the lines of "this will be our future if we continue as we currently do and people who don't like it will be forced into the underground to live as rebels, hackers and whatnot"

This why we have other "punks" (steam, diesel...) - to have those kind of messages or exploration of themes but also not being tied up to the current status quo, which is changing way faster than the 80s and the 90s.

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I think we all agree cyberpunk still has value as a whole but is outdated

Oh, it totally has important historical value, but very few are interested in genre history nowadays. People mainly follow the latest trends, occasionally being amazed but shows which are actually superficial rehashes of older products.

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whether that means the genre needs a facelift or something new should replace it? :)

I don't think a simple facelift would help.
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Catalano said:
cyberpunk died in the late 90s imo, I don't think we can revive it but hey, I'm always down for some Bubblegum Crisis-like anime


Buy bubblegum crisis dvds and other merch if you want that to happen imo.

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TIL that there are so many other "punk" fiction genres other than cyberpunk and steampunk...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberpunk_derivatives
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biopunk
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanopunk
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tech_noir
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieselpunk


This thread might be very helpful for those competing in this year's MAL x Honeyfeed contest lol

Dunno how many of these are actually legit, but I think it'd be cool to see more of these "punk" derivatives in anime in general! I'm honestly not sure which one I would choose if I had to pick any one of these., though solarpunk does catch my eye... and I am surprised to not see Crow mention this one below:
GOTHIC PUNK

If Gothic Rock had a literary genre, this would be it. If you’re trying to identify Gothic Punk, you should keep an eye out for early 2000s architecture, big metropolis, and dark, brooding supernatural elements.

The White Wolf RPG Vampire: The Masquerade named this genre, and is the most prolific example yet. Other examples that leap to mind include Hellboy and Underworld.

Also, more like whatever the hell this is would be very welcome.
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I would like to see something like ergo proxy again. I just really like the atmosphere it brings and the aesthetic of it

Jun 6, 2022 5:16 AM
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@Fario-P

Welp eveining brain, made me forgot that gothic punk, existed and also i even forgot nanopunk is also a thing so was also comfortpunk i think its called, which is more cutesy uwu and focused on the cheerful side of things. And its also the first time i hear bout solarpunk as well too interesting.....

Cyberpunk has just been added too the genres of honeyfeed but i don't see josei tho...... strange if you ask me.


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bring on cyberpunk again, who cares if it died.
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I'm really only into one type of cyberpunk aesthetics, basically those with neon signs and holographs in dark settings. My favorite visuals are Ghost in the Shell, Psycho-Pass, Akudama Drive, DMMD and Tales of the Neon Sea. Story-wise Psycho-Pass is the best.


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Psycho Pass would be a great example to create shows of this genre in the future. Akudama Drive can be a secondary example as well
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bring on cyberpunk again, who cares if it died.


They said punk was dead, well yeah right.... time to show its always been alive.

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@Fario-P

Welp eveining brain, made me forgot that gothic punk, existed and also i even forgot nanopunk is also a thing so was also comfortpunk i think its called, which is more cutesy uwu and focused on the cheerful side of things. And its also the first time i hear bout solarpunk as well too interesting.....

Cyberpunk has just been added too the genres of honeyfeed but i don't see josei tho...... strange if you ask me.

no worries! at least we all learned something new with your thread regardless ^_^


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bring on cyberpunk again, who cares if it died.
hell yeah, bring it on!!!!!!
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Not sure if there is a lot if any, steam punk type anime. If there are then please quote me and list them. I'll add 'em to my list. Make sure they are good ones lol
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Not sure if there is a lot if any, steam punk type anime. If there are then please quote me and list them. I'll add 'em to my list. Make sure they are good ones lol
only ones i can come up with are Castle in the Sky and Steamboy... and even then i haven't seen the latter yet...
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DeonX said:
Not sure if there is a lot if any, steam punk type anime. If there are then please quote me and list them. I'll add 'em to my list. Make sure they are good ones lol
only ones i can come up with are Castle in the Sky and Steamboy... and even then i haven't seen the latter yet...


I actually have Castle in the sky in my PTW list. I didn't know it was a steampunk anime lol. Also while looking at the entry of Steamboy, I found an interest stack about Steam Punk anime https://myanimelist.net/stacks/64

Not sure how 'steampunk' they actually are. I can see some mechas too
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DeonX said:
Not sure if there is a lot if any, steam punk type anime. If there are then please quote me and list them. I'll add 'em to my list. Make sure they are good ones lol


You may like Vanitas No Carte as it was made by the pandora's heart mangaka.

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either Steam Punk (like Steam Boy and Steam Detectives) or Cyber Punk will do for me
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k so i went to tv tropes and here are the punk genres that sound cool, especially since i normally dislike sci fi.

urban canasta comes under it and i fucking LOVE it. i love real life settings that are sprinkled with the supernatural. always makes it 10x as fun.

gaslamp fantasy. ive actually read the girl genius books and in general, technology with magic (DONE right) can create incredibly unique world building and magic systems.

ocean punk also sounds cool. i feel like anime would be able to exaggerate the horrors of the ocean.

scavenged punk also sounds interesting.

but what about actual PUNK in animanga. it's still incredibly popular and influential in japan. it would be really interesting to see how japans punk movement may differentiate from the British punk movement.


Never heard about scavenged punk or ocean punk till today interesting.

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Gokushufudou and Tokyo Revengers
Just make anime like Gokushufudou serious.
As for Tokyo Revengers, just make them better.

Anime like "Koutetsujou no Kabaneri" are also welcome.
Not to mention I miss anime like"Sunabouzu
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Gokushufudou and Tokyo Revengers
Just make anime like Gokushufudou serious.
As for Tokyo Revengers, just make them better.

Anime like "Koutetsujou no Kabaneri" are also welcome.
Not to mention I miss anime like"Sunabouzu


Desert punk i hope to get around to one day.

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Anyone else, would like to share their thoughts on this?

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Hardcore punk is pretty interesting
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DoggywithRem said:
Hardcore punk is pretty interesting


yes the music genre is indeed really great.

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DoggywithRem said:
Hardcore punk is pretty interesting


yes the music genre is indeed really great.

Should get atleast an anime indeed. Cyberpunk i feel like has been done less and its basically scifi so you can introduce a lot of concepts or technologies without problem but for me it still has to feel japanese made. Steampunk is interesting but i feel like it has been more often in media so far and cyberpunk is only very recently popular. Purely asthetically i prefer steampunk because the cyberpunk people remind me of insane twitter users visually
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@Fario-P that's a lot of punk I didn't know existed, thanks for all that info.

I'd totally love having cyberpunk back, preferably without giant robots involved (I have nothing against them, but I dislike them being the focal point of an anime and presented in a way to make the viewers drool over them - I personally have no attraction towards them). Supporting what @mwinner said, I'd like to point out that Vanitas revived some interest in steampunk, as did Psycho-Pass in the early 2010s, so who's to say what'll work and what wouldn't?
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@Fario-P that's a lot of punk I didn't know existed, thanks for all that info.

I'd totally love having cyberpunk back, preferably without giant robots involved (I have nothing against them, but I dislike them being the focal point of an anime and presented in a way to make the viewers drool over them - I personally have no attraction towards them). Supporting what @mwinner said, I'd like to point out that Vanitas revived some interest in steampunk, as did Psycho-Pass in the early 2010s, so who's to say what'll work and what wouldn't?


Comfortpunk/wholesome punk is another thing, that exists but eh.... its a whole bunch of sjw wokescold bullshit honestly and i don't reccomend it at all whatsoever.

Go with psycho pass and ghost in the shell as well as akira for the good shit.

And maybe Vanitas could even bring Pandoras Hearts getting an anime reboot finally since the mangaka worked on that as well too.

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Go with psycho pass and ghost in the shell as well as akira for the good shit.
Already done with those, unfortunately. There are still quite a few hidden gems left to discover and watch, but those are all from the 80s and 90s (with a rare few from the 2000s).

And maybe Vanitas could even bring Pandoras Hearts getting an anime reboot finally since the mangaka worked on that as well too.
I've had the manga on-hold forever. Need to sit down and finish it one of these days.
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elnino02 said:
Crow_Black said:
Go with psycho pass and ghost in the shell as well as akira for the good shit.
Already done with those, unfortunately. There are still quite a few hidden gems left to discover and watch, but those are all from the 80s and 90s (with a rare few from the 2000s).

And maybe Vanitas could even bring Pandoras Hearts getting an anime reboot finally since the mangaka worked on that as well too.
I've had the manga on-hold forever. Need to sit down and finish it one of these days.


Angel Cop and Genocyber are pretty gory and edgy even for my standards but you may like them.

If we're talking josei ergh morning brain shojo you may like Twlight Of The Dark Master.

And not exactly cyberpunk but wicked city is another decent watch as well. And another underated gem i think worth looking at is uta kata.

And what the jesus h tap dancing fucking christ are you doing here for? lol go finish it off now!

Pandoras heart can confirm is a great manga and i cannot recommend this enough!
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Crow_Black said:
elnino02 said:
Already done with those, unfortunately. There are still quite a few hidden gems left to discover and watch, but those are all from the 80s and 90s (with a rare few from the 2000s).

I've had the manga on-hold forever. Need to sit down and finish it one of these days.


Angel Cop and Genocyber are pretty gory and edgy even for my standards but you may like them.
I do hear a lot of mixed opinions on them, lol.

If we're talking josei you may like Twlight Of The Dark Master.
Will take a look.

And not exactly cyberpunk but wicked city is another decent watch as well.
The one by Kawajiri? I'm interested in that one, I plan to watch it after Ninja Scroll.
And another underated gem i think worth looking at is uta kata.
Noted.

And what the jesus h tap dancing fucking christ are you doing here for? lol go finish it off now!

Pandoras heart can confirm is a great manga.
Thanks for the sell. I will finish it as soon as I'm done with exams and stuff.
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I think cyberpunk can definitely make a comeback if it's updated through contemporary issues and technological developments that are relevant to the 21st century.

The Punk genre is largely characterized by anti-establishment views and revolutionary sentiments. I think there is a lot of potential for the anime medium to use the Punk genre to flesh out some interesting social commentary on current events or political issues. I feel like the anime medium lacks well-written political anime in general, so it would be interesting to see a punk political anime, perhaps a show with an anarchist or anti-establishment point of view at its core.
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Crow_Black said:


Angel Cop and Genocyber are pretty gory and edgy even for my standards but you may like them.
I do hear a lot of mixed opinions on them, lol.

If we're talking josei you may like Twlight Of The Dark Master.
Will take a look.

And not exactly cyberpunk but wicked city is another decent watch as well.
The one by Kawajiri? I'm interested in that one, I plan to watch it after Ninja Scroll.
And another underated gem i think worth looking at is uta kata.
Noted.

And what the jesus h tap dancing fucking christ are you doing here for? lol go finish it off now!

Pandoras heart can confirm is a great manga.
Thanks for the sell. I will finish it as soon as I'm done with exams and stuff.


Yeah lmao, Genocyber is pretty fucked up shit like pupa and school days. And Angel Cop can have entertainment value if you're looking for cringey English dub dialogue like Ghost Hunt.

Correct, Kawajiri the guy who directed Ninja Scroll and Vampire Hunter D (also with Yokishita Amano of the final fantasy game.) worked on wicked city and sure np.

School is am absolute cancer trash shithole i know lmao so focus on that before you focus on the recs i've given.

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I think it's funny how people diss Psycho Pass for being shallow and pretentious (which is true) and a blight to cyberpunk, as if the genre is full of brain scratchers. Arguably cyberpunk peaked outside of literature with Blade Runner and the first Ghost in the Shell, and neither are as deep nor provocative as people tend to make them — that's especially true for Blade Runner, which is a washed down version of an already unassuming book (which isn't to say these movies are bad, both are among my favourites). Honestly, I'm all in for the aesthetic side of cyberpunk only: I have no hope that Cyberpunk Edgerunners will have any depth to it given it's Trigger, but I'm excited as hell for it.

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Comfortpunk/wholesome punk is another thing, that exists but eh.... its a whole bunch of sjw wokescold bullshit honestly and i don't reccomend it at all whatsoever.

What even is comfortpunk/wholesomepunk?

And I guess there's also mannerpunk that nobody cited yet, which is basically fantasy that focuses on high society and its customs (think Jane Austen with dragons), but Shadows House is the only example I can think of it in anime. Maybe Gankutsuou.
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@Fario-P that's a lot of punk I didn't know existed, thanks for all that info.

I'd totally love having cyberpunk back, preferably without giant robots involved (I have nothing against them, but I dislike them being the focal point of an anime and presented in a way to make the viewers drool over them - I personally have no attraction towards them). Supporting what @mwinner said, I'd like to point out that Vanitas revived some interest in steampunk, as did Psycho-Pass in the early 2010s, so who's to say what'll work and what wouldn't?
Oh no, how'd I forget to reply?!? You're welcome, we need some more cyberpunk in anime indeed!!
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Here you go

Neji is a pretty decent read and i wish she went to visit more cyberpunk settings.

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I think it's funny how people diss Psycho Pass for being shallow and pretentious (which is true) and a blight to cyberpunk, as if the genre is full of brain scratchers. Arguably cyberpunk peaked outside of literature with Blade Runner and the first Ghost in the Shell, and neither are as deep nor provocative as people tend to make them — that's especially true for Blade Runner, which is a washed down version of an already unassuming book (which isn't to say these movies are bad, both are among my favourites). Honestly, I'm all in for the aesthetic side of cyberpunk only: I have no hope that Cyberpunk Edgerunners will have any depth to it given it's Trigger, but I'm excited as hell for it.

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Comfortpunk/wholesome punk is another thing, that exists but eh.... its a whole bunch of sjw wokescold bullshit honestly and i don't reccomend it at all whatsoever.

What even is comfortpunk/wholesomepunk?

And I guess there's also mannerpunk that nobody cited yet, which is basically fantasy that focuses on high society and its customs (think Jane Austen with dragons), but Shadows House is the only example I can think of it in anime. Maybe Gankutsuou.



LOL, its just something cutesy uwu types always come up to make to push their own agenda i believe i mentioned before.

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I really enjoyed the art style and worldbuilding of Dorohedoro, the dark cyberpunk feel of it seemed so cool and different. I would love if more anime plotlines or concepts revolved around a dark cyberpunk world.

For manga the punk style of Blame was amazing as well

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Daft Punk.
Buy it. Use it. Break it. Fix it.
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Daft Punk.
Buy it. Use it. Break it. Fix it.


Harder better faster stronger.

They have an entry on mal's db i believe.

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I really enjoyed the art style and worldbuilding of Dorohedoro, the dark cyberpunk feel of it seemed so cool and different. I would love if more anime plotlines or concepts revolved around a dark cyberpunk world.

For manga the punk style of Blame was amazing as well


you'll like astral chain its a pretty good jrpg.

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I think cyberpunk can definitely make a comeback if it's updated through contemporary issues and technological developments that are relevant to the 21st century.

The Punk genre is largely characterized by anti-establishment views and revolutionary sentiments. I think there is a lot of potential for the anime medium to use the Punk genre to flesh out some interesting social commentary on current events or political issues. I feel like the anime medium lacks well-written political anime in general, so it would be interesting to see a punk political anime, perhaps a show with an anarchist or anti-establishment point of view at its core.


Astral Chain for the switch and neji by kaori yuki you're welcome

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