| Personally I think that being immortal is rather a curse than a blessing. I mean yea, its nice to have all the time in the world to do what you want and all that, but I feel like time itself would loose its meaning if you have an endless amount of it. I think that actions in general would loose their importance with the time since its just such a small portion regarding the whole image. Also, if you ever get bored of it, you cant really stop it, so you're just stuck in eternal boredom, which is worse than dying tbh. Then on another note, what immortality are we talking about? Not aging and not dying? Being truly invincible? Being immortal but still aging? They all sound pretty bad to me since the downside weighs way more than the positive aspects of it. There are some more obvious downsides to it, like seing everyone close to you just dying and you're put into a situation to either relive the pain everytime someone close to you dies, or you choose to not let anyone close to you anymore so you dont have to deal with that issue. I just cant see the positive aspects of it outweighing all those negative ones. So yea, after all, I'm not a big fan of the thought of becoming immortal, there are too many downsides for me and there'd need to be some heavy conditions attached to it for me to even consider it. What about you? Is there be anything that would make you consider becoming immortal? Or do you dislike/like it without further conditions |
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| If we're talking ageless, nanomachine-like self-repairable health, perfect figure etc. I wouldn't mind immortality especially if it's used to change the world or break the limits of humanity's technological barriers for the better (like Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos etc. are doing) But I do agree with the negative aspects of attaining immortality you mentioned; It will devalue your actions knowing you won't be able to share the success with close friends/family or having children outlive you. It's a heavy moral obstacle and a meaningful one. |
| I want to watch every show/movie, read every book, and play every game in existence. While not necessarily being immortal, this task would require having a lot longer life-span than ~80-100 years. I would also actually have to still be alive to see all of the things released a century or longer from now. |
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| I'm terrified of dying but I think being immortal would also suck and take away a lot out of life. My best example would be : For me childhood was so exciting and intriguing days felt longer and everything was new, The older I get the more dull and short my days become time goes faster and the days blur together just going through the motions. It's a real bummer that I won't get to see how humans pan out and space etc, though. |
DesyncGamingDec 10, 2021 4:36 AM
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| A very interesting topic. As I see it, making up reasons why immortality is bad is usually a way of coping with the fact that we will inevitably die whether we want it or not. As in, I can't reach the fruits on that tree, so I will tell myself that they probably taste bad anyway. I don't mean this as an insult of course, I think your thoughts make sense, some people genuinely don't like the idea of immortality, I get that. Adding to that, if we were fine with dying and not living forever, we would not have countless religions all over the world that establishes that there is some form of life after death. Religion is also a means of coping with the inevitability of death. I don't think having an endless amount of time would necessarily be boring. The world changes all the time, and the universe seems to be endlessly big, at least from our perspective = an endless amount of things to explore. Being immortal would on the contrary lead to experiencing even more interesting things. There are always going to be experiences that are special or extremely rare compared to the others. Also, if people can find peace in living a simple life on the countryside (or being monks or whatever), I think they can find peace in an endless existance as well. I imagine an immortal life being similar to a shorter one, just on a larger scale. There will always be ups and downs. If you're depressed or experience constant suffering you might have a horrible time being immortal, but what is to say you couldn't change that eventually, with so much time? Everyone close to you dying is awful, but what if everyone was given immortality? If that's not possible, I expect you would become emotionally detached, given enough time. That could be a bad thing in many ways, but is it worse than being dead? If you have an infinite amount of time on your hands, that's an infinite amount of time that you can spend on finding ways to make sure that you don't have a bad time. If I were immortal I would prefer to not age, and to be unable to die from other causes than old age. If I were to be given the choice to be immortal, I think I would accept it almost regardless of the downsides. If I were to just be a brain in a useless body, at least I would have my imagination. |
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| There are different types of immortality I guess. Being invincible means you can get stuck somewhere for millions of years. Even worse if you somehow manage to drift out into space and will orbit some planet for billions of years. The longer you live higher the chance of something like that happening. That immortality sucks indeed. If immortality means you just don't age/can't die of age, I would take it. If you ever got too bored with life you can always kill yourself. Until then there are many things you can do. Also the world keeps changing, so I don't think it will get too boring too fast. |
Zoushu said: Hmm, maybe my thoughts are subconsciously influenced by the reasons you mentioned. I also think that ones current life and mental state have a big impact in that decision. But I can understand your point that it may be or is a way to cope with death. A very interesting topic. As I see it, making up reasons why immortality is bad is usually a way of coping with the fact that we will inevitably die whether we want it or not. As in, I can't reach the fruits on that tree, so I will tell myself that they probably taste bad anyway. I don't mean this as an insult of course, I think your thoughts make sense, some people genuinely don't like the idea of immortality, I get that. Adding to that, if we were fine with dying and not living forever, we would not have countless religions all over the world that establishes that there is some form of life after death. Religion is also a means of coping with the inevitability of death. I don't think having an endless amount of time would necessarily be boring. The world changes all the time, and the universe seems to be endlessly big, at least from our perspective = an endless amount of things to explore. Being immortal would on the contrary lead to experiencing even more interesting things. There are always going to be experiences that are special or extremely rare compared to the others. Also, if people can find peace in living a simple life on the countryside (or being monks or whatever), I think they can find peace in an endless existance as well. I imagine an immortal life being similar to a shorter one, just on a larger scale. There will always be ups and downs. If you're depressed or experience constant suffering you might have a horrible time being immortal, but what is to say you couldn't change that eventually, with so much time? Everyone close to you dying is awful, but what if everyone was given immortality? If that's not possible, I expect you would become emotionally detached, given enough time. That could be a bad thing in many ways, but is it worse than being dead? If you have an infinite amount of time on your hands, that's an infinite amount of time that you can spend on finding ways to make sure that you don't have a bad time. If I were immortal I would prefer to not age, and to be unable to die from other causes than old age. If I were to be given the choice to be immortal, I think I would accept it almost regardless of the downsides. If I were to just be a brain in a useless body, at least I would have my imagination. That is certainly true. Due to the constant change and progress of the world it would take a long time to get bored of it. But that would require you to be interested in nearly everything there is or you'd kinda force yourself to find new interests which could turn into a bothersome task after a while. Tho I can really agree to the point that just like in a "normal" life there would be constand ups and downs, I just think that the span of the downs would constantly increase with every negative experience/loss you have to deal with. Yea, giving everyone immortality would be a condition I could see myself agreeing with, tho that would lead to other problems, but those problems dont have anything to do with that topic for now. Overall its nice to hear some thoughts from someone who's pro immortality. I can agree to some points and understand all of em, tho I'll stay contra for now :P RandomFriday said: Yea, being able to kill yourself would be a necessary condition imoThere are different types of immortality I guess. Being invincible means you can get stuck somewhere for millions of years. Even worse if you somehow manage to drift out into space and will orbit some planet for billions of years. The longer you live higher the chance of something like that happening. That immortality sucks indeed. If immortality means you just don't age/can't die of age, I would take it. If you ever got too bored with life you can always kill yourself. Until then there are many things you can do. Also the world keeps changing, so I don't think it will get too boring too fast. Lady_Braixen said: Would that be "enough" for you to accept the negative aspects of it?I want to watch every show/movie, read every book, and play every game in existence. While not necessarily being immortal, this task would require having a lot longer life-span than ~80-100 years. I would also actually have to still be alive to see all of the things released a century or longer from now. Feircei said: Mortal life: Meaningless -Just enjoy life -Self indulge in pleasure cause there's no other reason to exist -Reproduce to repeat the cicle -Die and try to sacrifice yourself to give meaning to your useless life Immortal life: Meaningful -Joy and pain lose their significance -You Achieve everything, as time itself won't be a limit anymore -You can see and touch everything, see the universe die and be born again. -You become death and life itself Anyone who would rather prefer mortal life is just addicted to feelings and emotions, Glory is built with time and effort not with feelings. But dont have emotions and feelings a huge influence in enjoying life? If you're indifferent towards everything, it doesnt matter what you do or if you do anything at all since you just dont care. Sure you could be able to achieve anything but who are you gonna share it with and what do you gain from it if not even personal satisfaction? |
MonkeeDanDec 10, 2021 5:48 AM
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| Mortal life: Meaningless -Just enjoy life -Self indulge in pleasure cause there's no other reason to exist -Reproduce to repeat the cicle -Die and try to sacrifice yourself to give meaning to your useless life Immortal life: Meaningful -Joy and pain lose their significance -You Achieve everything, as time itself won't be a limit anymore -You can see and touch everything, see the universe die and be born again. -You become death and life itself Anyone who would rather prefer mortal life is just addicted to feelings and emotions, Glory is built with time and effort not with feelings. Zoushu said: making up reasons why immortality is bad is usually a way of coping with the fact that we will inevitably die whether we want it or not. As in, I can't reach the fruits on that tree, so I will tell myself that they probably taste bad anyway. completely true. |
FeirceiDec 10, 2021 5:46 AM
Zoushu said: Everyone close to you dying is awful, but what if everyone was given immortality? If that's not possible, I expect you would become emotionally detached, Not true, because the things that die before us, well we got more attached to them. -Parents -Pets No one because a psychopath without feelings just because their pets or parents die sooner than them. |
| IF, we are talking about immortality and eternal youth? I would lean towards yes actually. I am not romantic enough to love the concept of death. Because we have no conclusive evidence for the existence of an afterlife, we can safely assume that this is our only life and there is no such thing as a soul; we are just chemical reactions that cease to exist. If we consider that, then I am terrified of death. No consciousness? No existence? No thought processes? No self awareness? The fact that I can even comprehend such things is a sign that I am alive. And I love it. I love the fact that I can still experience this world, I can pursue different things, think about complex stuff, at least I KNOW that I exist. I can't even comprehend what being dead feels like. I would probably choose immortality if the option is available. |
WutIsDisDec 10, 2021 5:54 AM
| If you ever feel bored and are questioning the meaning of your existence, read deez blogs. Maybe you will find your answers. |
WutIsDis said: I can't even comprehend what being dead feels like. People on average dream 2 to 3 hours a night but sleep 6.5 hours, for the rest of the time when you don't dream, you are by definition dead as your consciousness is turned OFF and not existing in the moment. You've experienced what death feels like for thousands of nights. |
Feircei said: WutIsDis said: I can't even comprehend what being dead feels like. People on average dream 2 to 3 hours a night but sleep 6.5 hours, for the rest of the time when you don't dream, you are by definition dead as your consciousness is turned OFF and not existing in the moment. At least my mind is still working? At least something is going on inside my head? It is similar to death but not the same. |
| If you ever feel bored and are questioning the meaning of your existence, read deez blogs. Maybe you will find your answers. |
WutIsDis said: At least my mind is still working? At least something is going on inside my head? It is similar to death but not the same. Similar enough that your body often mistakes falling asleep for dying and you jerk and wake up instantly after feeling like falling in the void, because your brain activity and heart rate went so low so fast. |
| as someone who might die at any moment due to an illness i was born with Immortality sounds great, imagine not fearing death every single day of your life since i was a kid i was told how i would die by my doctors, and they even try estimate your lifespan those kinds of things breaks people. i think immortality depends on how you see it, it might be a cursed for alot of you but it sounds like a blessing to people like me |
| rather than witnessing the end og one piece, I see no reason to be immortal all you get it witnessing everything you love die |
| What is going on with on those threads on immortality? People on MAL already hate living (surviving in their basements thanks to their mackled dakimakura), why would they want to live forever? Immortality sounds great, no need to worry about anything anymore! |
| People often choose immortality because they fear death but too much of a good thing can be bad. I don't see how living forever can be good as at some point you would grow weary. As for death itself I imagine it would be like how life was before I was born. Billions of years past before I was born but I have no recollection of it. When I pass I suspect it will be a similar experience. The bit that sucks is the process of dying but once that is over it is over. |
| I would rather die naturally. I would become immortal if I were to live a good life though |
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| I figure that even the universe itself will die and be reborn. So even a godlike being such as Christ or the Buddha will be along for the ride. Of course both of them actually did die and were then reborn. I don't count that as actual immortality, which would be like eternal youth or something. |
| I CELEBRATE myself, And what I assume you shall assume, For every atom belonging to me as good belongs to you. |
| I barely wanna live now I can't even imagine forever |
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