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Dec 6, 2021 1:07 PM

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I knew they can't kill main character, but... that was great and intense episode from the start till the end :D
The fights animations were also very good.
Rudeus was kinda stupid to attack him after he got first almost fatal blow, he could just heal himself and play dead :D Then heal the rest, but story wise it was better to see his powers vs best warrior and later that ecchi scene with Eris :D
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Dec 6, 2021 1:36 PM

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Thyriad-oPPailov said:
I knew they can't kill main character, but... that was great and intense episode from the start till the end :D
The fights animations were also very good.
Rudeus was kinda stupid to attack him after he got first almost fatal blow, he could just heal himself and play dead :D Then heal the rest, but story wise it was better to see his powers vs best warrior and later that ecchi scene with Eris :D


Heal himself how? He's lungs just got destroyed and he doesn't know any incantation-less healing spells.
He was a goner after the first attack and just wanted to take down Orsted with him.
Dec 6, 2021 1:46 PM

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Thyriad-oPPailov said:
I knew they can't kill main character, but... that was great and intense episode from the start till the end :D
The fights animations were also very good.
Rudeus was kinda stupid to attack him after he got first almost fatal blow, he could just heal himself and play dead :D Then heal the rest, but story wise it was better to see his powers vs best warrior and later that ecchi scene with Eris :D


To add on to the point @Yaggamy made with an example, in the Roxy-focused episode back in Episode 18, at the start of the episode, Rudeus was trying to use Healing magic on himself on the boat with actually saying the incantations out but failed to do so because he was already drained and sick from the amount of mana he used with the Man-God conversation about Aisha and Lilia (that happened in Episode 19 in a flashback), and the seasickness too during the bumpy ride. He basically can do incantation-less magic with fire, earth, water elements but not with healing.

So in this episode, he needs to be able to actually say the incantations to heal himself but couldn't do so since his lungs got destroyed.

Hell, he even tried to use wind magic to basically swallow up whatever oxygen he can get even though it's very stressful on his body and made him cough out even more blood. Even if he did somehow heal himself with incantation-less magic, he would still get his ass kicked by Orsted. Orsted's just way, way out of his league currently.
Dec 6, 2021 2:13 PM
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Fight scenes were top notch, some sakuga there.
But what bothers me his how come Rudeus (his old Japanese self) doesn't freak out when he dies, It seems years of living in another world hasn't rid him off treating his current world as a video game, It's as if he's going to reload from the last save. Hopefully after this experience he comes to his senses cuz this story SUCKS. And it was stupid of Ruijerd not to call Rudeus to be still like a stone BEFORE they finally came close proximity to Orsted and got passed beyond, he has spherical vision right?
Your Superd companion has frozed to death, obviously awaiting the pass of that scary guy, and you Rudeus like an idiot look at them and dare speak, just how conceited are you?

Anyways, the girl with Orsted has Japanese name, isn't she an apostle of Hitogami too? It seems that Orsted guy can know of any people he'd like to know, like knowing many things about them (or just the mere existence of everyone) when he first becomes conscious of them, but even before the dialogue he must have sensed that Rudeus is something out of this world, so it's hard to imagine that the guy with short temper like this wilfully ignored Rudues to test him. I thin Orsted may have said Hitogami in Japanese, because it had apostrophes. Anyways, those are my anime-only theories.
Dec 6, 2021 3:22 PM

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Wim said:
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farther or father?, just so I can get this right.
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Dec 6, 2021 3:49 PM

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Mr perfect hindsight.

Also most adults are complete fucking idiots who make retarded decisions all the time.
yup, especially when they're thinking with their tiny brain between their legs.
Especially that. Such skewed priorities in life.
Dec 6, 2021 4:23 PM

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Oh, Dragon God Orsted(One of the seven great powers) is truly Chilling. Orsted is a true test for Rudeus and the group. Rudeus dying nearly gave me a scare there but luckily, the protagonist plot armor kicked in. Nanahoshi saved Rudeus there; Orsted wouldn't have healed Rudeus without Nanahoshi coming in. Great episode this week.
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Dec 6, 2021 4:26 PM

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zyke said:
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yup, especially when they're thinking with their tiny brain between their legs.
Especially that. Such skewed priorities in life.


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Dec 6, 2021 4:50 PM

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Rekuiemu said:
Fight scenes were top notch, some sakuga there.
But what bothers me his how come Rudeus (his old Japanese self) doesn't freak out when he dies, It seems years of living in another world hasn't rid him off treating his current world as a video game, It's as if he's going to reload from the last save. Hopefully after this experience he comes to his senses cuz this story SUCKS. And it was stupid of Ruijerd not to call Rudeus to be still like a stone BEFORE they finally came close proximity to Orsted and got passed beyond, he has spherical vision right?
Your Superd companion has frozed to death, obviously awaiting the pass of that scary guy, and you Rudeus like an idiot look at them and dare speak, just how conceited are you?

Anyways, the girl with Orsted has Japanese name, isn't she an apostle of Hitogami too? It seems that Orsted guy can know of any people he'd like to know, like knowing many things about them (or just the mere existence of everyone) when he first becomes conscious of them, but even before the dialogue he must have sensed that Rudeus is something out of this world, so it's hard to imagine that the guy with short temper like this wilfully ignored Rudues to test him. I thin Orsted may have said Hitogami in Japanese, because it had apostrophes. Anyways, those are my anime-only theories.
I'm pretty sure he addressed why in the episode he didn't freak out when he died, afterall this is his second life and the second time in that life he thought he was dead(kind of takes the shock out of it the more it happens).

Ruijerd and Eris as explained by the man-god where effected by his curse, as all living beings from this world hate or fear him, it doesn't effect Rudeus because he isn't from that world.
Dec 6, 2021 5:01 PM

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Rudeus didn't listen to Ruijerd so that he could give us some sakuga.
Dec 6, 2021 6:17 PM

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One thing I have to say is that I watched this show several times and analyzed this episode many times as well and I managed to put it all together. It's all there.

They gave all the necessary information in part 1 and 2 to get to this point.
Dec 6, 2021 6:24 PM

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This is the greatest episode so far. It made to rate it 10
Dec 6, 2021 6:28 PM

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Chanbara said:
One thing I have to say is that I watched this show several times and analyzed this episode many times as well and I managed to put it all together. It's all there.

They gave all the necessary information in part 1 and 2 to get to this point.

Ya one thing both books and anime do really well is set up and foreshadowing. The author definitely thought out all the pieces ahead of time. Like we have stuff foreshadowed for the final season (Would be like 4 full 24 episodes seasons down the line) and epilogue already.
Dec 6, 2021 7:34 PM
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You know you're watching a great anime when the episodes seem like they last only five minutes.
Dec 6, 2021 8:18 PM
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Kirito_online said:
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Big spoiler

farther or father?, just so I can get this right.


father. My English is bad :v
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Especially that. Such skewed priorities in life.


Evolution would like to explain some "facts of life" to you.

Survival takes priority over procreation. It's an evolutionary directive for all things living. Only a deceased idiot would put survival low on its priorities.
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Seeing the title "Turning Point 2" I expected a bit more of a... turning point? I mean, last time it changed literally everything. I guess this episode will have some consequences too, but it's not as game-changing as I expected. And it's good tbh - I like how things go right now.
"Dead" Rudeus was pretty nice to the Man-God. I wonder how much of it was because of him thinking he is dead, and how much he actually started to accept that weird white guy. At this rate maybe Rudeus will also stop seeing himself as his old self at some point?
Action scenes were really impressive. Pinching Eris' nipple even more so.


The turning point this time may not be sudden unlike turning point 1 as it was an instant change. Maybe this time due to this event something will happen in the future
Dec 6, 2021 10:30 PM

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Turning points arent called turning point for that reason. But saying too much would be a spoiler~
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Dec 6, 2021 11:43 PM

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Holy this episode idk how or why, this enthralled me like I don't even know how to process what happened. Ostred is a wall I don't think anyone can beat ever seeing him taking out Ruijerd in a small trade of blows. Ofc Eris gets slapped easily. So much lore I want more, this is episode of the year beyond just the realm of isekai anime.
Dec 7, 2021 12:54 AM

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When you understand how Strong Orsted is, you realise that supercharged fireball that Rudeus did at him could of easily wiped out a large city and that was without his staff.
Dec 7, 2021 3:09 AM
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Ah, finally the gang met up with Tsuda, i mean, the dragon god, Orsted. How on earth i never thinking about the possibilities there? How funny seeing Eris wanna fight the red dragon. Girl really do wonder about every challenge up the sky. But, when the real challenge appeared in front, she, even Ruijerd can't even move a shit. Even the poor animal suicide itself because of a certain reason. Truly a remarkable death on these second cour. They even did a certain scenes beforehand to warn you, 'hey, this poor bull might be death later. So, please be advise' xd.

Tsuda really suit well with that badass character, full of curses, now i feel bad. What about the masked woman? She literally the one that be the lifesaver for Rudy. Idk what on earth Rudy thinking back before. But sometimes, he just wanna chat to everyone he meet, be nice, and lost the track of the basic sense. Definitely turning point. And Hitogami just giving him a good news. Hell yeah! Not 'the end', yet! Then, Eris just forget about Rudy mistake and welcome him back with lots of tears. Aw, so sweet. Really looking forward to see the next.
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Dec 7, 2021 5:21 AM
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Daaamn, I got hyped for this thanks to the trailer for this episode on the TOHO animations YouTube channel and did not get disappointed! Fight scenes are incredible, and since I like watching skipped content I will check out Foxen anime for that and hope he does a good job.
Dec 7, 2021 5:36 AM

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Great episode, and to be honest I can't believe he is that much stupid to understand about what was going on after Dragon God gave him literally several chances to survive.

In normal life there is no curse that makes you fear so what you do? First of all you look your friends weird behaviour and facial expression. Then you see your animal jumping out the cliff and you hear your friend saying don't move but you still don't get to clue.

Rudeus is not that dumb, as we can see from the past episodes. It is a character error, that's for sure.
Dec 7, 2021 5:45 AM

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Heger said:
Rudeus is not that dumb, as we can see from the past episodes. It is a character error, that's for sure.
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Dec 7, 2021 6:15 AM

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farther or father?, just so I can get this right.


father. My English is bad :v
so kishirika has a father hmmm, well of course (time to fish for spoilers as usual)
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father. My English is bad :v
so kishirika has a father hmmm, well of course (time to fish for spoilers as usual)


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Dec 7, 2021 11:06 AM

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this was one of tthe dumbest episodes i've watched till now. i've lost a few brain cells cuz of it.
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Dec 7, 2021 11:39 AM
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Holy shit was the OST on point and the sounds of the spear clashing against Orsted bare hands were simply insane. The dialogues were simple and the VAs of Ruijerd and Eris did a great job on showing the despair while Rudeus was simply clueless the whole time. I'm Not even going to mention the animation since it has been great from the begining

I think it was a perfectly directed scene overall and I'd go as far as saying it is the best single scene we got on 2021

I think the episode was a great way to introduce slight bits of information we are not meant yet to know. A 10/10 for me without a doubt,
Dec 7, 2021 11:45 AM
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Great episode, and to be honest I can't believe he is that much stupid to understand about what was going on after Dragon God gave him literally several chances to survive.

In normal life there is no curse that makes you fear so what you do? First of all you look your friends weird behaviour and facial expression. Then you see your animal jumping out the cliff and you hear your friend saying don't move but you still don't get to clue.

Rudeus is not that dumb, as we can see from the past episodes. It is a character error, that's for sure.

MC who never makes mistakes is a really boring MC. Only those who do nothing make no mistakes. That's how plot moves along.

If author wanted it to be mistakes-free he could just get rid of the fear curse. The story wouldn't change otherwise. If Rudy was "smart" and avoided any risks this episode wouldn't be called "turning point 2", it would be "nothing really happens, part 2 of 5".

Ruidjerd and Eris behavior was caused by curse. It wasn't because they sensed danger, knew who this guy was or were smart, it was completely irrational. Both actually asked Orsted questions themselves before Rudeus.

For Rudeus the stranger was just some fairly friendly guy who knows stuff about his family without meeting them, he had good reasons to ask questions. And it could work, the only reason Orsted become hostile is mentioning of a man-god which was completely unpredictable. Asking questions was somewhat risky but reward could be great.

Nothing particularly out of character here.
Dec 7, 2021 2:45 PM
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That curse is a problem for Orsted. How can you get anyone to help you if they are terrified of you? In the meantime, Hitogami can talk sweet, give hints about the future, and use his apostles. It must be frustrating for Orsted. It's like the guy in the office who knows all the stuff but can't advance because he doesn't know how to play office politics. Maybe Orsted would have been better served by asking more questions of Rudeus instead of just killing him? It is clear Rudeus intended him no harm. It's like Orsted is on the spectrum and can't communicate.
Dec 7, 2021 3:14 PM
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This episode just confirmed everyones option with a brain. This is the best isekai ever written, and soon to be adapted.
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Wim said:
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so kishirika has a father hmmm, well of course (time to fish for spoilers as usual)


To be born you must be fathered
excuse my poor choice of words, I was only curious about the nature of her father considering her status.
Dec 7, 2021 4:38 PM
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Also if Hitogami can make disciples but Orsted has this curse where everyone is afraid or hates him, then why wouldn't someone who doesn't have the curse be very valuable? Clearly, Rudeus doesn't trust Hitogami at least that much. Could Orsted have asked him instead about what Rudeus thought about Hitogami, especially since Rudeus has mana capacity close to Laplace? At least have a conversation. Orsted is stupid since he could make use of Rudeus but it took what looked like a teenager to point this out to him. Orsted made a terrible first impression, kind of like the guy who gets too drunk at the office Christmas party and insults his co-workers. Destroying everything in your path doesn't do you much good if you can't get to the place where Hitogami resides? In this way, Orsted has very human flaws and isn't as strong as he thinks. His weakness is his poor social skills.
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Also if Hitogami can make disciples but Orsted has this curse where everyone is afraid or hates him, then why wouldn't someone who doesn't have the curse be very valuable? Clearly, Rudeus doesn't trust Hitogami at least that much. Could Orsted have asked him instead about what Rudeus thought about Hitogami, especially since Rudeus has mana capacity close to Laplace? At least have a conversation. Orsted is stupid since he could make use of Rudeus but it took what looked like a teenager to point this out to him. Orsted made a terrible first impression, kind of like the guy who gets too drunk at the office Christmas party and insults his co-workers. Destroying everything in your path doesn't do you much good if you can't get to the place where Hitogami resides? In this way, Orsted has very human flaws and isn't as strong as he thinks. His weakness is his poor social skills.

With all the information it makes sense why Orsted did what he did, with what the anime has told you thus far it doesn't really, but it will eventually.

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Also if Hitogami can make disciples but Orsted has this curse where everyone is afraid or hates him, then why wouldn't someone who doesn't have the curse be very valuable? Clearly, Rudeus doesn't trust Hitogami at least that much. Could Orsted have asked him instead about what Rudeus thought about Hitogami, especially since Rudeus has mana capacity close to Laplace? At least have a conversation. Orsted is stupid since he could make use of Rudeus but it took what looked like a teenager to point this out to him. Orsted made a terrible first impression, kind of like the guy who gets too drunk at the office Christmas party and insults his co-workers. Destroying everything in your path doesn't do you much good if you can't get to the place where Hitogami resides? In this way, Orsted has very human flaws and isn't as strong as he thinks. His weakness is his poor social skills.


With all the information it makes sense why Orsted did what he did, with what the anime has told you thus far it doesn't really, but it will eventually.

I like what they are doing with Orsted. There is potential for character growth. I think Hitogami is definitely sus because he is always negotiating for information whereas Orsted is direct when he says you don't need to know but is still willing to entertain questions. It doesn't seem Orsted has been very successful in his quest so maybe a re-think is possible. Hitogami most importantly has given no reason to Rudeus for why he continues to appear in his dreams. This is suspicious because he apparently can read the future, which tells me he is hiding his true purpose. If the true purpose benefited Rudeus, why wouldn't he just say it ? He doesn't even attempt to lie.
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Heger said:
Great episode, and to be honest I can't believe he is that much stupid to understand about what was going on after Dragon God gave him literally several chances to survive.

In normal life there is no curse that makes you fear so what you do? First of all you look your friends weird behaviour and facial expression. Then you see your animal jumping out the cliff and you hear your friend saying don't move but you still don't get to clue.

Rudeus is not that dumb, as we can see from the past episodes. It is a character error, that's for sure.

Yeah that bothered me too. Rudeus has been becoming more and more dumb lately to forward the plot, like when he fell for that obvious trap looking for Roxy and he gave them his staff and everything. You would think there’d at least be internal monologue of him thinking it might be a trap but no.
It’s all lazy writing to be sure, turning characters that are supposed to be intelligent into potato sacks for brief moments just to allow story events to happen. I see it happen a lot in other works. So annoying.
Dec 7, 2021 8:09 PM

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Why do people assume Rudeus isn't a naive person.

Episode 10 when doing the B rank quest was a big calling card to how naive he can be, thinking he has everything setup only for it to fly in his face not understanding the danger even when explained to him.

Does anyone understand what kind of mindset someone would have being alone for 20 years, it's basically solitary confinement he may understand strategy via playing of games in that time and knowledge via books but social interactions are a different animal entirely, his scope for understanding danger would be way off as well since you know that most of his life never really had to deal with it, even in this life he has been around strong people who could deal with anything easily that he couldn't.

He might be book smart and a very powerful mage but there are massive flaws in his personality that lead him into trouble, I would say Gallus is the only one where he grasped the danger before hand but that was because he saw his Saint class North God skills before he battled him.
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zyke said:
Especially that. Such skewed priorities in life.


Evolution would like to explain some "facts of life" to you.

I too blame evolution for everything I dont want to be held accountable for.
Dec 7, 2021 8:15 PM

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...and we could all be spared of all that action, drama and info if Rudy has held his own tongue, thank you Rudy for being such an idiot!
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oh! so is this what they call "the turning point of this series" hmmm for me i wasn't 10/10...but rather 8/10 for my tastes.
So is this guy called Orsted is one of the strongest there is Rudeus fought him just like that...hmmm even strongest entities on this realm have mercy to let Rudeus live huh...
5/5.
EDIT oh look at that: 94.24% loved it! that's quite rare these days!...
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HOLY SHIT ITS ALL HAPPENS SO SUDDENLY. 10/10 EP
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HOLY FUCKING SHIT THAT WAS SO INTENSE

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To be born you must be fathered
excuse my poor choice of words, I was only curious about the nature of her father considering her status.


He's


If you wish to know what happened here is the tl;dr version. As told in the Old Dragons Tale WN

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zyke said:
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Evolution would like to explain some "facts of life" to you.

I too blame evolution for everything I dont want to be held accountable for.


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zyke said:
Especially that. Such skewed priorities in life.
I mean it was the last thing he said in his last world too, Heck if I was in his position and a virgin. As a male I would probably think the same thing, hardly disgusting or skewed, what right do you have to judge a dead man.
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That was... interesting, we finally getting some partial answers (even if they are leading to more questions). I'm coming around to this series a little more with this episode, but I do wonder with the episodes left will we come to any sense of a conclusion after 20+ episodes on Rudeus's family or the Greyrat extended family.
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This episode adapts which chapter of the light novel??
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This episode adapts which chapter of the light novel??


Volume 6, Chapters 9 and 10. Also the opening portion of this episode was the end of Chapter 8 with the sort of foreshadowing of what's to come in the Turning Point portion.
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I was liking that fight scene with Ruijerd and Orsted until the end. Ruijerd spinning like 3 or 4 times in the air and somehow ending up behind where Rudeus was, really yanked me out of the rabbit-hole about as badly as it does with Rudeus's perversions.

That aside I miss Ghislaine, I wonder what's she's been up to. I hope we don't go the entire season without at least an appearance.
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Wait, Rudi and Eris don't kiss?


Hmm, Eris still seems to be very childish in the anime. Oh well...
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