| Nah, people want to be precise and critical. A One Star rating doesn't hit as hard as a 1/10 |
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| I like having more options, so 1-10 for me! |
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| A larger range gives the option to increase the spread of your scores to present a better idea of your personal tastes or give a more adequate representation of what each rating represents. Cause all a 5 star system does is condense those numbers. So yes it is technically less complicated to use a 5 point system but that's because it offers less information overall as a rating system. Also there's inherently nothing stopping you from say choosing to use a 1-5 system within the 10 point scale, ie. you could score between 3-7 or between 6-10 and it's effectively a 1-5 system. The idea of a personal list is you can make up any system you want which also works better when a larger range is the default. |
| You could adjust your scale with Anilist, but I am too lazy to diversify the score there. 71 is almost the same as 73. |
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| 10 point system for sure. Goodreads has a 5 star system and I always feel like it isn't enough. |
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| I love the 10 point rating, but.. the avg score now is 7 lol when it should be 5. either way I like the 10 point rating. Check out my Etsy <3 |
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| Can we get away from this false believe that 5 hast to be the statistical average? I see a lot of people promoting this as if it were a fact and it shows a rather poor understanding of both the english language and statistics. |
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| At this point I'm too used to the 10 points system, but I acknowledge that the 5 stars one has a very important advantage: 3/5 is perceived more positively than 5/10 and 6/10 (school rating system) and thus people's scores would be less skewed. |
| 10 points system is best but it needs 0.5 step on MAL for more convenience. |
| I think 10 points is the sweet spot. If it were to go up to like 100, for me it would get too overwhelming with too many scores to chose from. On the other hand, 5 is just not enough space to work with. If MAL were to include .5 increments, I'd gladly accept that though. So basically a 20 point system |
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| Every Rating Systems has pros and cons. With more Points you can be more precise, with less its maybe easier. You can translate the 5 Stars into 10 Points easily 5 -> 10/9 (Great) 4 -> 8/7 (Good) 3 -> 6/5 (Average) 2 -> 4/3 (Bad) 1 -> 2/1 (Whatever) So you can use 5 Stars, but still seperate. Thats more or less how I use it. Its usual that the real average score is higher then the theoretical, because believe it or not, people try to make a show good, so the percentage for beeing good is higher then beeing bad. |
| I like the 10 star rating. I use 6 as the middle ground because 1 will only ever be given to one anime, the worst anime i've ever seen that deserves to be the lowest rated thing on my list. |
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Chris_Concept said: I love the 10 point rating, but.. the avg score now is 7 lol when it should be 5. either way I like the 10 point rating. It shouldn't be 5. It should only be 5 or closer to around 5 if people watched anime completely blindly and watched roughly an equal amount of anime they loved and hated, a roughly equal amount they consider 1s and 2s as compared to 9s and 10s. But most people filter what they select to watch and therefore rate in the first place. Why would people spend an equal amount of time watching anime they expect to dislike or hate as anime they expect to like or love? Choosing an anime to watch isn't just throwing a dart at a filled out dartboard on a wall while donning a blindfold. Synopses, genre listings, episode count listings, release dates, poster art, cast and crew and studio lists and information are all a thing so anyone can do as much or as little research as they want before choosing to commit to watching any anime series or film. I don't know where this idea comes from that most or all people are going to spend roughly half the free time for anime in their life on stuff they are not interested in and can pretty reliably predict they'll have a low opinion of. |
| a 1-100 scale would be better for me, I have many 6s that I want to separate, dragonaut can't be the same as one piece |
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WatchTillTandava said: Chris_Concept said: I love the 10 point rating, but.. the avg score now is 7 lol when it should be 5. either way I like the 10 point rating. It shouldn't be 5. It should only be 5 or closer to around 5 if people watched anime completely blindly and watched roughly an equal amount of anime they loved and hated, a roughly equal amount they consider 1s and 2s as compared to 9s and 10s. But most people filter what they select to watch and therefore rate in the first place. Why would people spend an equal amount of time watching anime they expect to dislike or hate as anime they expect to like or love? Choosing an anime to watch isn't just throwing a dart at a filled out dartboard on a wall while donning a blindfold. Synopses, genre listings, episode count listings, release dates, poster art, cast and crew and studio lists and information are all a thing so anyone can do as much or as little research as they want before choosing to commit to watching any anime series or film. I don't know where this idea comes from that most or all people are going to spend roughly half the free time for anime in their life on stuff they are not interested in and can pretty reliably predict they'll have a low opinion of. Understood Have a great day :) (Limit characters) |
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| 5/10 is average for me. I rarely find 10/10 stuff so the scale really just goes from 1-9 I have a proposal though, I keep thinking of some alternate system that would fit within the 1-10 scale. just think of 10 important things for you. 1. story 2. art quality 3. animation 4. characters 5. design work 6. sound 7. ost 8. sarisfying ending 9. ??? 10. opening/ending maybe I never completed it. |
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| I basically use a 5 point scale, since I use 1 3 5 7 9 to mean hate/dislike/ehh/like/love, basically. I use the numbers in between as minor tweaks to say, for example, I like something more than just liking it but not enough to say I wholeheartedly love it. I don't currently use 10. |
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Rekuiemu said: I think you're misunderstanding something, 5 is only average because it's supposed to denote a neutral score, something that's neither bad nor good, it's just completely average. The mean rating of all scores should not be a 5, as that would indicate that the average anime show is completely unremarkable. However, it is true that the score is clearly inflated by 1-1.5 points, and that the real average should likely be closer to a 6. I was looking for a way to better rate something. I have the opinion of having the least amount of points out of points or stars to rate something to not convulute the matters. I found this realization when looking for this issue. The actual earror with 5 being the average (aside from 7 being the average because people vote high) 5 is statistically worse than average where you can not give 0 points The problem with a 5 is that it isn't actually in the middle, it's the lower middle. So 5 is more towards "no" than "yes". 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 [Middle] 6 - 7 - 8 - 9 - 10 That's where 5-stars works perfectly because it has a precise middle. 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 |
| If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that. |
| If the problem is that the rating scale has an even number of options wouldn't just adding a 0 or 11 fix that? If you want different options than the 10 point scale just use Anilist. You can also always rate 6-10 which is a 5 point scale and a popular one at that. Using only even numbers also does the trick. |
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Rekuiemu said: Dennisss said: Every Rating Systems has pros and cons. With more Points you can be more precise, with less its maybe easier. You can translate the 5 Stars into 10 Points easily 5 -> 10/9 (Great) 4 -> 8/7 (Good) 3 -> 6/5 (Average) 2 -> 4/3 (Bad) 1 -> 2/1 (Whatever) So you can use 5 Stars, but still seperate. Thats more or less how I use it. Its usual that the real average score is higher then the theoretical, because believe it or not, people try to make a show good, so the percentage for beeing good is higher then beeing bad. I though about this, but what I find funny in this particular example, is that bad is bad or whatever! Surely something that deserves 1 or 2 stars isn't really much worse. Well if you literally have to force yourself to watch it can get 1 star. The thing is I think it's wise to avoid either 1 or 2 starts with 2 being bad, 1 being whatever. This is why I though about 4/4 system but it's way to unconvetional for common sense. Thanks for the effort. Exactly. Its nearly impossible to rate something below 3 for me 😂 |
| You guys don't use a 901 point system? |
| They should just add 0 as an option as well, then 5 would be the middle. |
zombie_pegasus said: If the problem is that the rating scale has an even number of options wouldn't just adding a 0 or 11 fix that? If you want different options than the 10 point scale just use Anilist. You can also always rate 6-10 which is a 5 point scale and a popular one at that. Using only even numbers also does the trick. Violet42 said: Galaxy brain option - we should be able to rate something 5.5. Eleven point scale, baby. Gator said: They should just add 0 as an option as well, then 5 would be the middle. Easy solutions. That, or make a 7 points scale system, like those used often for surveys. There's actually people that study that stuff: https://measuringu.com/scale-points/ Asturaetus said: Can we get away from this false believe that 5 hast to be the statistical average? I see a lot of people promoting this as if it were a fact and it shows a rather poor understanding of both the english language and statistics. Can you elaborate on what you mean? Wouldn't 5 supposedly always be the average in the perfect scenario? |
SheklonNov 2, 2021 1:50 AM
| Honestly, I kind of want mal to import .5 ratings so that I can rate 9.5 without worrying whether to give a 9 or 10. Mod Edit: Removed spam. |
ShadowMonkeyNov 3, 2021 12:12 PM
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| Would prefer buckets 0-100. The 5 point system would just see 80% of anime crammed in to 4* or 5*. Pointless. |
| Bleach is best consumed with your ears open and your eyes closed. |
the 10 points seems more viable and diverse, like if you see something like a low 3* and there's another show but you dont feel like giving it a 4* "aka a high 3*" the 10 points system seems nice and work more efficiently |
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takamono said: Honestly, I kind of want mal to import .5 ratings so that I can rate 9.5 without worrying whether to give a 9 or 10.  thats actually awesome, i think we can make a use of it somehow, but damn it'd be a hell to work with and calculate. |
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| I think that the current Rating System is fine. |
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| 1-10 is the perfect mix of nuance and simplicity. |
Sheklon said: Can you elaborate on what you mean? Wouldn't 5 supposedly always be the average in the perfect scenario? The problem is people conflate two different things talking about "average": 1. average meaning "ordinary; not special; mediocre" as in something where neither the positive or negative points outweigh each other 2. average meaning the statistical average The rating scale on MAL clearly sets the context for the first interpretation. You are rating the qualities of a show - is it good an therefore the positives outweigh the negatives or is it bad and therefore the negatives outweigh the positives. Or is it neither - is the show mediocre. There is certainly a case to be made why MAL decided to use such an ambiguous term as average for this rating instead of for example mediocre but for the sake of argument let's substitute the two words. Now looking at the data for the ratings of all shows on MAL. The statistical average of the ratings of all the shows is somewhere near 7. That means most shows are rated as being good. The argument now boils down to: "The majority of all shows ought to be mediocre." Doesn't that strike you as a very odd argument to be made? On what basis do we presume that the majority of shows have to mediocre. The quality of a title isn't random it's determined by it's own merits and the audiences perception of it. And the fact that ratings aren't random and are subject to a multitude of factors and biases is also why you won't get a normal distribution. Even the very fact that MAL in and of itself is a site for anime fans is already a selection bias to a group that holds a favorable view of the medium. And then there is the often brought up point that people don't select the titles they view randomly but based on what they like, on word of mouth, reviews, etc. Statistics in and of itself are a tool to describe what is. To describe and analyze existing data. They don't make a statement what something ought to be. You don't make a conclusion and then select your data to fit your conclusion. That's scientifically unsound. So if the statistics say the average is near 7 - on what basis does it ought to be 5? Because it's psychological satisfying? |
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| The fundamental problem with a 10 point rating system is simple. It is a rating system. Arbitrary and useless it serves no real purpose and any replacement would suffer the same issues. You can't control or trust something that is and always will be subjective to give you an objective representation. People will talk a big game and say some fancy shit trying to justify or criticize it but it boils down to it is used by emotional beings to rate something and it is subjective which means it has no real meaning beyond just that. |
| Good reasoning on your part. The middle is indeed missing in the 1/10 scale. For that reason people need to be confident when deciding on scores. Your system allows for the anime watchers to take the easy way. In stead of creating a compromise, you should have used the "Descriptive Rating Scale". |
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| The more numbers you have in a rating system, the more nuanced it can get. Admittedly, not every 3/5 are as equally good as another 3/5. Same with two 5/10's. But the 5/10's are closer to each other in rating than a 3/5, so the gap is smaller. |
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| No, 1-10 for me. Even if I use a Star rating, I am not gone give my 7 rated show 2 1/2 stars. I will still give it 3 1/2 stars. So what the point |
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| No problem with it as many people rate according to their preferences and taste but there are few shows which are trash and i don't ever say to anyone "that your taste is fucking shit just yeet yourself" but if i see someone with 10/10 for berserk 2016 i hope that man or woman step on lego and get constipation and just stop watching anime as you sir deserve to eat shit Also "your taste is fucking shit just yeet yourself". Rating an anime is totally a personal choice and no one should question it but there are some show which are just bad, like no one will question you if you eat chicken and like it or not but the moment you say you like DOG MEAT then you will be attacked and yeah there are people who love it but to all those people just shut your mouth and don't defend your taste is the treatment. I am just giving an example so please spare me. |
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| a 5/5 scale is honestly the worst possible option. I like to grade out of 100, it gives me more nuance. It annoys me so much I can't use decimals (like 7.5/10) on MAL's scoring system. |
| I always saw them as the same tbh. 0.5 stars = 1, on the 1-10 scale. For example: 3.5 stars would be equal to a 7/10 or 4.5 would be equal to a 9/10. Because 2*5 = 10 I don't think it really matters. It makes no difference. Only differences are the aesthetics. |
| I love having many choices, so I prefer 1-10 |
| Similar premise to something posted a week ago, so I'll just quote what I had said before: CureEtude said: I actually quite like the MAL use of "average" for 5s, because on a 1-10 scale, the mathematical average should be 5.5, but the effective connotation of "average" is slightly negative. "Average" being a negative score feels intrinsically right. What I feel LostSpectre and Corrout are missing is that the average is mediocrity. True for life and very true for anime. As for my personal ratings, I look at 5 as anything that I had a negative experience with overall, but can't bring myself to really call "bad". That covers a lot of different situations. I don't think its necessary to have an exact middle, because most things shouldn't be in the perfect center of a rating system. Your feelings of mediocrity towards a show will ever-so-slightly lean towards positive or negative. That's the nature of human emotion. If, upon reflection, you feel slightly positive about it, give it a six. If you feel slightly negative about it, give it a five. And if you can't be bothered to reflect on it at all, that sounds pretty negative to me, so give those fives as well. What's interesting to me about OPs stance is that you prefer a five-star system because it gives you the option of having a center, but you sacrifice five other possible differentiation categories to get it. I guess you can use half-stars, but that always felt disingenuous to me personally. If your scale goes 1-5 with halves in the middle, you now only have nine scores versus a traditional ten. And if you start at half a star, then shit, you're stuck with the exact same 10 point system. Either way you go with this, it's unclear to a passerby how your scale works, because they don't know which option you chose. --- EDIT: Reading later comments now, and I'm very conflicted about a 100 point scale. While I do like having more options and it'd be a lot more satisfying in the end, scoring things would be a more daunting task. Too Many Options syndrome, lol. Plus, more numbers would make it harder for people to offhandedly understand the meaning of others' scores than it already is. If, for some odd reason, MAL was to switch to a 100-point system, I'd embrace it, but I certainly wouldn't campaign for something like that to happen. Pretty happy with 1-10 status quo imho. |
CureEtudeNov 2, 2021 5:36 AM
| 10 stars is about the limit of what I can reasonably deal with without facing too much choice paralysis, ahah. 5 stars would probably be workable but it'd leave less room for nuance in your score; if you lump too many entries into one score when they'd be on different levels otherwise, that score kinda starts to lose meaning imo. Also, tbh, I kinda see the 10 stars as two scales of 5 in the first place? 10-6 being "good", and 5-1 being "bad", with the specific number chosen tranlating to a 5-star rating indicative of "how good" or "how bad". It's a v useful way of thinking of it 4 me at least |
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