| @Ryuk9428 Sorry that not everything is catering to straights anymore, boohoo. Out of 7 billion people, that 3% is a huge number. I watch western series' too, having one gay character out of maybe a cast of 30+ characters isn’t rubbing it in your face. You sound like a whining child because you're not getting all the attention. If watching Hunterz is bothering you because of the reason you stated, maybe reconsider your decision to watch, problem solved, just like you said: Stick to those, or watch anime and just accept that you are watching something that was created with a different audience. |
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| Don't directly feed the trolls is my best advice. MAL is less filtered and one of the few English forums that has more of an international audience than American audiences. You're bound to find unsavory posts about LGBT people than many other places that filter according to an algorithm and get filtered through an echo chamber. PS-I also like the idiots in these posts who complaining about entertainment over-rep'ing LGBT people when OP's problem was homophobes going into MAL posts saying anything positive about pride. One is about LGBT MAL posts becoming hellholes, the other is tv shows and movies. Those two are not the same problem you dunces. |
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Mummykun said: You mean, wise Christians who know what is morally correct or incorrect and don't want to go to Hell nor to promote a style of life that will lead others to go to Hell? No, unfortunately I don't think there are enough Christians in this site writing against sodomy. I think we have enough of them, we don't need more of them, thank you. |
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| Well that’s it then. You’ve started a war, OP. Hope you’re happy with this predictable result. |
| @Ryuk9428 considering how young you are, your lack of any real world experience explains your ignorant world views. My advice is to keep expressing yourself to your heart's content. This way, you will find those who challenge your ideals. You seem to seek debate which is healthy. So good on you. |
 ☆☆☆ "There's a huge difference between one and infinity. However, compared to the difference between existence and non-existence, one and infinite are nearly the same. I am the child destined to become the best witch... no... The greatest Creator in the world...!" -Maria Ushiromiya ☆☆☆ |
operationvalkyri said: People tend to forget that MAL attracts users from all over the world. Homophobia is frowned upon in mostly just the Western world these days while homosexuality is still illegal in many countries, quite a few the residents there agree with such laws. Hence, it is no surprise that lots of people would express homophobia here. Like I said, the problem is the moderation. If MAL does attract such different audiences, then maybe better moderation is in order to control the hate speech. |
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| There isn't much we can do, alot of people just refuse to treat LGBT people well or to even consider the possibility they are wrong in the face of a gigantic scientific consensus. MAL could take an anti homophobic stance and ban them if they are being openly homophobic, as alot are being even in this tread - because they are a private business after all - but even that isn't that nice of a solution, because it would result in a sea of totally not homophobic (/s) crying about muh free speach ignoring that forcing everyone that wants to make a web site to accept everyones that wants to join would be much more of a violation of liberty. |
No-a-nimeJun 19, 2021 11:37 AM
| heh. |
Short_Circut said: wasn't there a forum mod who said homophobia was just an opinion and therefore didn't need to warrant any action towards it lmao @Railey2 I think that you have been summoned here. |
Meusnier said: Short_Circut said: wasn't there a forum mod who said homophobia was just an opinion and therefore didn't need to warrant any action towards it lmao @Railey2 I think that you have been summoned here. This thread is also on it's way to getting locked, I see. |
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Meusnier said: Short_Circut said: wasn't there a forum mod who said homophobia was just an opinion and therefore didn't need to warrant any action towards it lmao @Railey2 I think that you have been summoned here. Ah yes that was the user where I saw that lol. Didn't they leave MAL because of that absurd DM though? |
 'On-Hold' is another way for a completionist to say 'Dropped' |
| @Ryuk9428 really don't understand why you continue to post nonsense on mal going into stupid arguments with diffrent users here. It was not your dream to find a traditional ideal girl who is exactly what you want, just physical body comfort and an ornament for a "strong traditional man like you" ? Saudi Arabia Seems like the ideal place for you Kaasfondue said: loolz said: Myanimelist is indeed so "supportive" that out of 11 million possible users only a very small minority use the forums for talk, do you have any idea why? Maybe it's because these forums are a pretty toxic place where many bigots, sexists and homophobes can leave their harmful Hate-speech on the open without any repercussions...And that makes every decent person around here hesitate to engage in disscusions on the open, leaving only Aggressive bigots who think they're so enlightened and "smart" if they attack anything they identify as "woke" Hahahaha I know you hate the MAL forums because you can't get likes/upvotes for posting straight males are natural rapists and misogynists (edit: this user has wrote this in AD in a thread about ecchi) Only a fake wokist can come up with nonsense like this. Let's just ignore internet forums like these are completely outdated because of the rise of mainstream social media platforms. Woke forums with the same interface as here also have little activity, you don't have a point. If you think that the surroundings here do not affect the continuous quality of posts users make on this site then excuse me but you are a little deceived by your assumptions But what can I expect from someone like you who always tries to attack anything you categorize as "woke" and shame them because they dared to say something in favor of a woman, people of color or LGBT people.... |
Short_Circut said: Ah yes that was the user where I saw that lol. Didn't they leave MAL because of that absurd DM though? That bio makes me think just how fucked up MAL truly is. |
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Short_Circut said: Ah yes that was the user where I saw that lol. Didn't they leave MAL because of that absurd DM though? Yes, and he had to remove the PM from his profile to avoid getting banned. |
"mAl Is SUpOrtIVe" what a joke, this is the example of the support some of the users here talk about. I guess I am getting banned too next. |
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glemaraille said: "mAl Is SUpOrtIVe" what a joke, this is the example of the support some of the users here talk about. I guess I am getting banned too next. This is not what you believe. You cannot publicly share PMs written by moderators. Moderators do not really moderate by a lack of time, so they mostly act on reports. |
Meusnier said: glemaraille said: "mAl Is SUpOrtIVe" what a joke, this is the example of the support some of the users here talk about. I guess I am getting banned too next. This is not what you believe. You cannot publicly share PMs written by moderators. Moderators do not really moderate by a lack of time, so they mostly act on reports. I see. I am not informed of the whole situation, I was mostly talking about his bio. |
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SomeRandomNerd said: Man this is one spicy thread. It'll be a shame when this gets locked. Enjoy while it lasts. I have a feeling we are on the last rounds. So much for freedom of speech. |
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| It all depends on what you think is homophobic. An unequivocal dislike of homosexuals or any disagreement with the modern LGBTQ community's belief system? To be honest, I hate that the topic of "homophobia" becomes a cheap label for demonizing an opponent. It simply discounts all the dangers of oppression due to sexuality and in the future more and more people will associate this with populist accusations rather than serious accusations of intolerance. For example, in Russia for a long time no one takes accusations of Russophobia seriously, because in the 90s radical patriots used this word so often against any critics of the conservatives that it began to sound like a joke. |
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Wejami said: Infested with homophobes. If some lgbt people acted less hyper sexual and they talked less about dick there would be less retaliation. Pretty sure the hypersexual myth was created by straights to demonize the gay community, but ok. |
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RobertBobert said: It all depends on what you think is homophobic. An unequivocal dislike of homosexuals or any disagreement with the modern LGBTQ community's belief system? To be honest, I hate that the topic of "homophobia" becomes a cheap label for demonizing an opponent. It simply discounts all the dangers of oppression due to sexuality and in the future more and more people will associate this with populist accusations rather than serious accusations of intolerance. For example, in Russia for a long time no one takes accusations of Russophobia seriously, because in the 90s radical patriots used this word so often against any critics of the conservatives that it began to sound like a joke. See my last paragraph. Disagreeing ≠ hating. I am talking about hate. I don't think anywhere in my post I insinuated that everyone needs to support or believe anything. I am specifically talking about hate speech. |
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| can't talk about the who or the exact why or else I'll probably get banned, but yes this is true. Hate speech has been handwaved as "mere opinion", which is also why I now have the forum sig that I do, why my profile looks the way it does, and why I'm not around anymore. I'll still respond when I'm pinged like this, but that's it. tl;dr: If you're gay, don't expect your existence to be respected on here. This site does a piss-poor job at moderating. I just have to take one look at this thread, notice that Ryuk, this alt-right troll nurguburu and fucking rightwing-milluki or whatever his name is now (guy is nuts, and really obsessed with Hitler for SOME REASON, seriously check out his YT) still aren't banned, and I know nothing has changed. Yep. Great fucking job. I don't regret leaving one bit. |
Railey2Jun 19, 2021 12:20 PM
| *lampoons inwardly* |
glemaraille said: RobertBobert said: It all depends on what you think is homophobic. An unequivocal dislike of homosexuals or any disagreement with the modern LGBTQ community's belief system? To be honest, I hate that the topic of "homophobia" becomes a cheap label for demonizing an opponent. It simply discounts all the dangers of oppression due to sexuality and in the future more and more people will associate this with populist accusations rather than serious accusations of intolerance. For example, in Russia for a long time no one takes accusations of Russophobia seriously, because in the 90s radical patriots used this word so often against any critics of the conservatives that it began to sound like a joke. See my last paragraph. Disagreeing ≠ hating. I am talking about hate. I don't think anywhere in my post I insinuated that everyone needs to support or believe anything. I am specifically talking about hate speech. Okay, how do you understand hate? Except for the most obvious cases, of course. For example, I believe that the obsession with adding token gay characters for the sake of representation is silly and that it makes gay characters a bureaucratic tool in content creation. Is my position homophobic? |
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| @RobertBobert Well then, when do you think is appropriate to put a gay character in? If you think putting them for represention is a "bureaucratic tool" to do so? |
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Wejami said: Myth sure. Thats why lgbts debate with a serious face if they should be allowed to go to parades to expose themselves to children. Are you literally advocating against people just existing (trans) and showing affection (Gay, bis, lesbisans) in public? Or is it all about Pride? Because no, the "worst" thing that you would find at those events are people in skimpy outfits planing to fuck later, something that is legal and straigth people do all the time. Both causes are literally advocacy for sexual discrimination btw, and tho advocating isn't ilegal, the fact that you are doing that here just proves the point of OP, MAL is full of people scratching to engage with phobic legislation and so on. |
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Railey2 said: can't talk about the who or the exact why or else I'll probably get banned, but yes this is true. Hate speech has been handwaved as "mere opinion", which is also why I now have the forum sig that I do, why my profile looks the way it does, and why I'm not around anymore. I'll still respond when I'm pinged like this, but that's it. tl;dr: If you're gay, don't expect your existence to be respected on here. This site does a piss-poor job at moderating. I just have to take one look at this thread, notice that Ryuk, this alt-right troll nurguburu and fucking rightwing-milluki or whatever his name is now (guy is nuts, and really obsessed with Hitler for SOME REASON, seriously check out his YT) still aren't banned, and I know nothing has changed. Yep. Great fucking job. I don't regret leaving one bit. Wow, what a dangerous person you are. You are not even making an effort to hide how you want all conservative thought to be censured, and everyone who disagrees with the leftist moralism to be prohibited from defending their values. One should rather rejoice that the mods in this site haven't become hysterical leftists like you yet, so we still have freedom to write something that does not agree with the hive mind. |
| “Right is right even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it.” ― Saint Augustine |
Milzol said: @Railey2 hitler is a very common interest, nothing weird about it. your countryman did horrible things. still, he is one of the most important people of the last century. understanding his personality is of great importance. but i agree with the last sentence, check out my youtube channel! "Having interest in studing Hitler isn't strange, it just happen to be a thing that only nazis, historians or history enthusiast do. Btw, I'm not a historian or an history enthusiast, I disavow that field in general an my interests are pretty limited to the WW1 and 2 period." |
| heh. |
glemaraille said: @RobertBobert Well then, when do you think is appropriate to put a gay character in? If you think putting them for represention is a "bureaucratic tool" to do so? I recognize certain social differences between people of different sexuality, but at the same time I believe or want to believe that gay is the same person as straight. In my understanding, the ideal portrayal of a gay character is an ordinary character who simply differs in their sexual preferences. I won't go into hysterics over a charismatic stereotypical gay character, but it annoys me extremely when a character's personality can simply be described as "gay" or people perceive them to be. |
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For starters, the idea of Kink at pride is massively being pushed against because kinks tho taboo aren't treat the same way or have the same relevance as the immutable characteristics that are there, but even so, let's say that we decided to stop discouraging kink at pride... I will tell you a secret did you know that you can talk about kinks hear me now, that is the mind blowing part without breaking obscenity laws? In fact there is a lot of public events related to kink being holded all the time mostly by and for straigth people, but no one complains about it, why is that? |
No-a-nimeJun 19, 2021 12:58 PM
| heh. |
| The situation is more complicated than a simple bad vs good people. I think this site is mostly neutral, they even added the option "non-binary" here years ago but they didn't go too far to ban the word 'trap' for being "transphobic" -the trap ban is too extremist if u ask me since already exist a slur for trans people and most weebs only use it to fictional characters, its wrong if they use it to real people-. I read comments from 8 years ago and they were way worse. I think a user complained about a gay scene in Cowboy Bebop but he wrote that like 11 years ago and he changed his mindset after he reply to me, some people were homophobic before but they aren't anymore. People change at least. Unfortunately, some users here are born in countries where homosexuality is illegal and I think u can't blame them for being born in that country and grow up in a homophobic environment. Yeah, they're wrong but the world is unfair. Some just have bad luck to be born there. Things are changing slowly in some Islamic countries -think about Europe during the 1950's-. We should educate them to respect LGBT+ people at least. I even reported homophobes and almost all my reports were accepted so I never received a comment saying homophobia is "an opinion". Some people know I'm gay and even though I don't mention it in my profile, they know due I don't hide my attraction to guys. I didn't receive any threats or insults due to my sexuality here so I don't think MAL is homophobic. Even if I received it, I would report it and the mods would have no problem deleting and warning the homophobe. I'm just a weeb who just happen to be gay. Kinda ironic Railey2 is saying "If you're gay, don't expect your existence to be respected on here", claim to "defend" LGBT+ people and later saying I should be banned in the same sentence despite I'm already gay. You claim to be pro-LGBT but you're the true homophobe here. We're not a hive mind. We can think differently. Stop being homophobic Railey2 please. |
ToumaTachibanaJun 19, 2021 2:12 PM
| BANZAI NIPPON. Nippon is the Land of freedom. Nippon is the Land of Peace. Nippon is the Land of Justice and Prosperity. In Nippon, we trust. We love Nippon, we love Anime. Anime love us, Nippon love us. 日本 I believe in freedom of expression. |
Milzol said: of course, I'm sure this is a purely scholarly interest ;))))@Railey2 hitler is a very common interest, nothing weird about it. your countryman did horrible things. still, he is one of the most important people of the last century. understanding his personality is of great importance. but i agree with the last sentence, check out my youtube channel! nevermind the instances where you defended what Hitler did and so on. I'm sure your former name is coincidence too, RIGHTWING-Milluki. But don't worry, your secret is safe with me. Because even if I said what you are, it's not like you'll get banned for that here. So what's the point. Mummykun said: yeah, if I could I'd banish all of you and salt the earth afterwards, ngl.Railey2 said: can't talk about the who or the exact why or else I'll probably get banned, but yes this is true. Hate speech has been handwaved as "mere opinion", which is also why I now have the forum sig that I do, why my profile looks the way it does, and why I'm not around anymore. I'll still respond when I'm pinged like this, but that's it. tl;dr: If you're gay, don't expect your existence to be respected on here. This site does a piss-poor job at moderating. I just have to take one look at this thread, notice that Ryuk, this alt-right troll nurguburu and fucking rightwing-milluki or whatever his name is now (guy is nuts, and really obsessed with Hitler for SOME REASON, seriously check out his YT) still aren't banned, and I know nothing has changed. Yep. Great fucking job. I don't regret leaving one bit. Wow, what a dangerous person you are. You are not even making an effort to hide how you want all conservative thought to be censured, and everyone who disagrees with the leftist moralism to be prohibited from defending their values. One should rather rejoice that the mods in this site haven't become hysterical leftists like you yet, so we still have freedom to write something that does not agree with the hive mind. You're right, my hysterical self absolutely doesn't take well to seeing people spread hate and bigotry. Good thing I'm not a mod, huh? So you can hate gay people in peace, call them hypersexual freaks and pedos, spread other lies about them or hate whoever else you like to hate in your free time. But I'm not gonna be here to spectate, so feel free to have fun with this dumpsterfire of a forum. If the mods aren't willing to ban you, then neither am I willing to dumpster you in an argument. Not going to do this shit without backup. And besides, I've argued enough with morons who think that threatening peoples basic human right to exist without being discriminated against is somehow a practice that should be tolerated. I don't tolerate the intolerant, and neither should anyone else with a shred of intelligence left. All further messages from this thread will be ignored. byebye~ |
| *lampoons inwardly* |
loolz said: @Ryuk9428 really don't understand why you continue to post nonsense on mal going into stupid arguments with diffrent users here. It was not your dream to find a traditional ideal girl who is exactly what you want, just physical body comfort and an ornament for a "strong traditional man like you" ? Saudi Arabia Seems like the ideal place for you Kaasfondue said: Hahahaha I know you hate the MAL forums because you can't get likes/upvotes for posting straight males are natural rapists and misogynists (edit: this user has wrote this in AD in a thread about ecchi) Only a fake wokist can come up with nonsense like this. Let's just ignore internet forums like these are completely outdated because of the rise of mainstream social media platforms. Woke forums with the same interface as here also have little activity, you don't have a point. If you think that the surroundings here do not affect the continuous quality of posts users make on this site then excuse me but you are a little deceived by your assumptions But what can I expect from someone like you who always tries to attack anything you categorize as "woke" and shame them because they dared to say something in favor of a woman, people of color or LGBT people.... I know you are a troll account but it is still bad to keep moving the conversation to something else entirely. First you talk about quantity and now quality... there is little quality because just like most places online the vast majority is not interested in real serious discussions. |
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| I’m not even surprised this thread will be locked. Give it a few hours or a day. |
I reported a homophobic liberal claiming to 'protect' LGBT+ people above so i think mods will notice this thread. I don't have issues with the thread since its way better than the other thread created a few weeks ago since it looked like a rant. Homophobia is awful i know but we should look the whole context and the situation is more complicated than a simple bad vs good people. |
ToumaTachibanaJun 19, 2021 1:41 PM
| BANZAI NIPPON. Nippon is the Land of freedom. Nippon is the Land of Peace. Nippon is the Land of Justice and Prosperity. In Nippon, we trust. We love Nippon, we love Anime. Anime love us, Nippon love us. 日本 I believe in freedom of expression. |
| This is not a land of honey and sugar where every people accept every people.I could cry and make a thread too for 10000 incidents saying "MAL is just infested with Middle Easternophobes" So shut up But I guess that's what happens when you have such a small number of people moderating a huge forum. People on this site know they will get away with spouting hateful comments. Just use the block option and cope |
| شقایق، اینجا من، خیلی غریبم |
149597871 said: Yeah, there are only 15 moderators to moderate a community of 500 people. That is clearly unacceptable! There should be at least three mods for every user. If you take a better look, many users here are LGBT themselves, and very few people are openly homophobic. I mean, it could be better, but trust me, it is nowhere near being "infested with homophobes." Personally, I found MyAnimeList a tolerant and welcoming place, considering the different types of people one can find in real life, or perhaps on Twitter. I prefer the LGBT community on MAL than on Twitter, where it's constantly looking for drama, confrontation, in quest of political rights and all... I think the reason the anime fandom is more tolerant is because it is a niche hobby in the West, and for really involved fans in Japan (the OG otakus) they were heavily prejudiced against by society's standards (a thing you still see in some recent works, like WataMote and maybe to some extent in Nagatoro? but it's less so with Cool Japan and institutional recognition?). Zaygo said: I won't act hostile towards you but if you tell me something like you are demisexual because you "only feel sexual attraction to another person if you form a strong emotional bond or connection", I'd say you are an idiot who just created a sexual identity to describe real love. And I am also against "sex change surgeries" for minors. Once you are over 18, do your own thing. Those are the only problems I have. What do you think of puberty blockers about the second paragraph? And first one is based. |
EmiliaHoarfrostJun 19, 2021 2:01 PM
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| @Kaasfondue You probably didn't catch Mal in the 2012-2015 period when the users and topics discussed here were more different and respectable, it wasn't these shit rhetorics we see now of "women gold diggers", "Force diversity" or "Woke bad" at every corner. There was no trace of misogynists like Ryuk apart from failed troll attempts and people outside of SAO shistorm actually respected each other tastes but something happened, the behavior of those like you began to become predominant and normalized, why ? maybe the people who really had experience in real interhuman relationships saw the futility of trying to debate real social issues with people like you who only know how to make cheap ironies based on real social problems people face and left. But even so, your attempts to discredit what I say by calling me a troll only shows the lowly tactics you use just to make your "opponent" to look bad. |
loolz said: @Kaasfondue You probably didn't catch Mal in the 2012-2015 period when the users and topics discussed here were more different and respectable, it wasn't these shit rhetorics we see now of "women gold diggers", "Force diversity" or "Woke bad" at every corner. There was no trace of misogynists like Ryuk apart from failed troll attempts and people outside of SAO shistorm actually respected each other tastes but something happened, the behavior of those like you began to become predominant and normalized, why ? maybe the people who really had experience in real interhuman relationships saw the futility of trying to debate real social issues with people like you who only know how to make cheap ironies based on real social problems people face and left. But even so, your attempts to discredit what I say by calling me a troll only shows the lowly tactics you use just to make your "opponent" to look bad. How are you going to claim you're not a troll and then give this BS. You really want me to believe there weren't just as many misogynists and racists. What is wrong with calling out forced diversity and fake wokeness? Why is it necessarily progressive to praise rich white straight virtue signalling corparist overlords? Yes we know you have studied the social sciences, ecchi causes people to normalize and commit sexual assault in real life, we know. GTA is also responsible for crime. |
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glemaraille said: I felt like this needed to be addressed Fine, as long as your idea of "addressing" this isn't censorship. |
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Mummykun said: Railey2 said: can't talk about the who or the exact why or else I'll probably get banned, but yes this is true. Hate speech has been handwaved as "mere opinion", which is also why I now have the forum sig that I do, why my profile looks the way it does, and why I'm not around anymore. I'll still respond when I'm pinged like this, but that's it. tl;dr: If you're gay, don't expect your existence to be respected on here. This site does a piss-poor job at moderating. I just have to take one look at this thread, notice that Ryuk, this alt-right troll nurguburu and fucking rightwing-milluki or whatever his name is now (guy is nuts, and really obsessed with Hitler for SOME REASON, seriously check out his YT) still aren't banned, and I know nothing has changed. Yep. Great fucking job. I don't regret leaving one bit. Wow, what a dangerous person you are. You are not even making an effort to hide how you want all conservative thought to be censured, and everyone who disagrees with the leftist moralism to be prohibited from defending their values. One should rather rejoice that the mods in this site haven't become hysterical leftists like you yet, so we still have freedom to write something that does not agree with the hive mind. Ironically, this person is homophobic despite claiming to protect LGBT+ people cuz he's saying one of them should be banned due to his political stance. He's obviously the true homophobe here if he thinks all LGBT+ think like a hive mind (every LGBT+ person must be left-wing for example) and they can't think for themselves. We're not humans to them, they only care cuz we're a minority. Truly tolerant and inclusive. The thread is still ok if u ask me, OP is really sincere here and its way better than the other thread from a few weeks ago. I wrote my opinion above if u want to read and i think the situation is way more complicated. |
ToumaTachibanaJun 19, 2021 2:40 PM
| BANZAI NIPPON. Nippon is the Land of freedom. Nippon is the Land of Peace. Nippon is the Land of Justice and Prosperity. In Nippon, we trust. We love Nippon, we love Anime. Anime love us, Nippon love us. 日本 I believe in freedom of expression. |
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