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| Really glad that her brother isn't a mean guy. he's damn nice (for now) |
   “You yourself have to change first, or nothing will change for you!” ' |
| I thought the backstory of Sayu was horrifying, but not that bad, i'm just so glad that Yoshida was there to save Sayu. Even though the amount of negativity I have of Issa, I thank him for giving the money to Sayu to take a break from her mother. Also what was up with putting Yuuko on the end card of the show, especially for promoting the next episode, that isn't right Project No.9. |
   Has a 8.60 mean score Akasaka > Other Mangakas  |
Syureria said: Thanks for the review. Now i understand the episode more. Did she really masturbate? They cant do that. To see how a sweet girl do such things is hardSomehow before this show started I felt like I had guessed how the story would go in this episode. Ma, whatever it is as you know in episode 9 is an episode that will explain how Sayu end up like this. Issa, Sayu's older brother, comes to Yoshida's apartment to take Sayu back to Asahikawa. Issa thinks that adults will always something strange towards his sister, even so Sayu insists that Yoshida is a friendly guy. I don't know what happened, it's clear that an organization came to Sayu's house and asked to Sayu's mom, Because basically Sayu has been missing from the house for 6 months. Issa and Sayu come out to talk about Sayu's return back to Asahikawa. Asami and Yoshida heard the story of Sayu's past, this the story when Sayu was in her second year of highschool. Yuuko is Sayu's first friend, Sayu and Yuuko often went to the roof for lunch together, somehow call it. However, Yuuko received intimidation from her classmates, It's my first time seeing Sayu's mom in animation, Idk.... Sayu managed to escape / runaway? FK English idk how i called it lol... from the house. Sayu missed her mother but now Sayu is free without being seen by anyone. Sayu tries some bad habits, but Sayu doesn't dare to try alcohol or tobacco (drugs?) So in the end Sayu just strips herself, yeah Sayu always masturbating in the hotel, even that bad habit she can't stop.  Sayu runs out of money, until Sayu walks alone in the city, until Sayu meets an office worker and the office worker tells Sayu to stay at his house .... And yeah, Sayu got rape, lost virginity. If you want to get more info about Sayu past, you can check this Threads ofc (obviously spoiler) |
Yes, it's natural for your friend to kill himself and you go to relieve yourself because it's puberty. hahah It really makes sense, understood have a great day. |
zDougMay 31, 2021 3:13 PM
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| I mean I see some comments in this thread made by toxic people but I do think they have a strong point. Ever since the dude was forcing himself on her then suddenly he's cool and looking out for her, I figured it would come to this with her backstory. It all just seems rather like the author grasping at straws. Don't get me wrong, her friend's suicide is sad. But the mother's reaction? I mean really? Then her brother provides for her and offers to continue doing so. So she throws away her phone and chooses to go homeless? It just feels like the writing quality has gone downhill to try and justify the actions of the characters. He was gonna have to come up with something tragic to do so and it shows this episode. |
| Animation and pacing aside, Sayu's mum just infuriates me. The one person who should comfort and support Sayu in a difficult time like that, but instead she just stabs a knife in her back and suggests that Sayu killed her friend instead? WHAT?! If any of my parents would have said anything like that, I would run away as well. That's just ridiculous. |
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| Are you serious? Sayu ran away from home because her close and first friend committed suicide. The show is portraying her as a victim in a terrible fashion. Illogical bullying being the sole catalyst is ludicrous. Like, the bullying of her friend could be solved without committing suicide: consult the fucking school, for god's sake. And Sayu's mother blames everything on her?! She knows full well of the bullying shit; that Sayu's a victim and she still blames everything on her daughter?! What kind of logic is this?! On top of that, the show seems to have forgotten about the rapist, too. Like, is the show gonna pretend that never happened?! For christ's sake, the writing of this show just revealed its true colors: It was never good. |
LordSozinMay 31, 2021 3:42 PM
| there are some people who only focus on Sayu's activities in the hotel room and miss the real message of this episode, STOP BULLYING!! even if it's just words but it can kill someone PLEASE STOP! I really appreciate the studio because they don't visualize what happens after Sayu meets people in town, I really appreciate it In my opinion, this episode is a big blow to the emotions of people who have trauma or have anxiety problems, especially those who have experienced bullying problems, I can understand this story because I also had a similar problem before and somehow until now it made me like high places even though I'm afraid of heights. for those people out there who are struggling to overcome the past and become a better person, we are the same and we can definitely handle it, maybe we just need time, or maybe we need someone else, or maybe both like Sayu who met Yoshida and Asami, we never know. stay strong friends we can do this |
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| Tragic story. But was kinda convoluted, the way out before the suicide would be Yuuko and Sayu making a theater, to make look like the friendship is over and then hang out on the weekends. After telling the story, would be reasonable if Issa slapped Sayu when they met again. After all he acknowledged that their mom have problems, and gave money to think about her life while enjoying a good beach resort for 10 days. And gave a phone to communication. He was a good brother or tried to. |
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| Yikes this anime is a trainwreck. We finally hear why Sayu ran away after they hid it for so long and it was so fucking poorly written. Sayu was a “misfit” despite being an attractive, rich, kind, high school girl that acts reserved because she fights with her mom? And her only friend got bullied because Sayu rejected a popular guy that the girls liked, but they didn’t bully her because she is just so pretty and cool that she is immune to bullying? And even though she is so pretty and cool and steadfast nobody else wanted to be her friend? Plus her friend killed herself because she felt like a burden on her, SO SHE WAITS FOR SAYU TO WATCH HER KILL HERSELF?!? “Sayu I want you to smile, therefore I waited for you to come to the roof and watch me kill myself”. And to top it all off, her mom asks if she killed the girl for some reason? What??? Who the hell writes this shit and says “Yep this is good stuff”? Who the hell approves of this shit? Why are they trying to suggest Yoshida needs to do something in this situation? What does she need a week to think about? This anime fucking sucks and I can’t wait until it is over and I can stop watching it. |
Blue_MaroonMay 31, 2021 5:32 PM
| Eh, this anime is crybait central. I find myself cringing and caring less the more this anime "develops". |
| i fucking cried during this episode |
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| I kind of Wished Sayu slapped the taste out of her mothers mouth but oh well. The tragic story of one's friend committing suicide is pretty common in these types of stories but it is the approach they wake which make's it stand out from others and I think the following consequences are what make the story more interesting and different from other stories like this. The "Sex for living" story is something new and with specific scenes and Sayu's guiltiness you can really feel the pain and agony this child went through. Although it was her brothers Fault all along lol. I thought the approach was good and with the LN now finished in Japan it will be interesting to see the ending in an anime adaptation. Since they are most likely going to finish the anime with the LN. |
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| I agree with most of the comments here regarding Sayu's past. This episode was rather [rushed] and lacked justification for everyone's actions. A lot of holes were left unfilled too: 1. Sayu doesn't get along with Mother but why isn't explained 2. Father isn't mentioned (family goes without saying, but hard to believe she was a loner since elementary) 3. We have no idea how or whether Sayu and Yuuko even attempted to put up a "fight" (doesn't mention whether teachers were consulted or not) 4. Mother doesn't mention who is mad at them for the suicide or how she got the idea her daughter was a murderer (someone had to put the idea in her head if it wasn't her own) 5. Working brother conveniently comes for a visit as Sayu is running away and thinks money is the answer [though it's possible he still lived with his parents, he still could have hooked her up with supervision from friends/family] 6. For some reason, Sayu wears her school uniform instead of casual clothes when she leaves (I'm sure pretending to go to school was out the window after her declaration) There's more, but I'll stop there. Wish I could chalk it up to seeing everything from Sayu's POV; however, we don't even get a grasp of how long the bullying continued after she decided to fight back. Not even sure if they did it properly. In the end, Sayu missed an opportunity to tell Yuuko she was the reason she started smiling. On the flip side, Yuuko waiting for Sayu to show up means the suicide could have be avoided if she didn't show up or thought to go straight to a teacher the moment she noticed something was off. [Maybe even bluffing to join her may have done the trick.] Truth is Sayu couldn't have been the only witness. You'd think there would be plenty of spectators outside during lunch; though, I won't deny an all indoor school with an accessible roof could exists. In this day and age, it shouldn't be that common. |
ReloadJun 7, 2021 6:43 PM
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Syureria said: Somehow before this show started I felt like I had guessed how the story would go in this episode. Ma, whatever it is as you know in episode 9 is an episode that will explain how Sayu end up like this. Issa, Sayu's older brother, comes to Yoshida's apartment to take Sayu back to Asahikawa. Issa thinks that adults will always something strange towards his sister, even so Sayu insists that Yoshida is a friendly guy. I don't know what happened, it's clear that an organization came to Sayu's house and asked to Sayu's mom, Because basically Sayu has been missing from the house for 6 months. Issa and Sayu come out to talk about Sayu's return back to Asahikawa. Asami and Yoshida heard the story of Sayu's past, this the story when Sayu was in her second year of highschool. Yuuko is Sayu's first friend, Sayu and Yuuko often went to the roof for lunch together, somehow call it. However, Yuuko received intimidation from her classmates, It's my first time seeing Sayu's mom in animation, Idk.... Sayu managed to escape / runaway? FK English idk how i called it lol... from the house. Sayu missed her mother but now Sayu is free without being seen by anyone. Sayu tries some bad habits, but Sayu doesn't dare to try alcohol or tobacco (drugs?) So in the end Sayu just strips herself, yeah Sayu always masturbating in the hotel, even that bad habit she can't stop. Sayu runs out of money, until Sayu walks alone in the city, until Sayu meets an office worker and the office worker tells Sayu to stay at his house .... And yeah, Sayu got rape, lost virginity. If you want to get more info about Sayu past, you can check this Threads ofc (obviously spoiler) She was masterbateing?,I thought she was hooking up with someone |
| Damn, that was a very good episode. Initially I was kind of disappointed with Sayu's backstory, that is until we met Yuuko. Seeing everything happen with Yuuko is quite tragic, and goddamn can people be stupid as hell. Sayu's mom is so goddamn insensitive, does that woman even ahve a brain? I swear she has some brain deficiency syndrome, that prevents her from thinking straight. Just looking at the episode preview, it looks like it's definitely going to make for an extremely interesting episode. |
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| just all around terrible this is the poorly written backstory we get for this girl really rude really despite all that i really didn't feel that bad for Sayu her friend yeah (PSA bullying fucking sucks dont do it kids) , and her stupid brother he meant well but man he doesn't know she went out on a self destructive path there's to many problems to highlight im just throwing in the towel with this shitshow lol Sayu is forever trash and always has been dont fight me |
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| Ah yes we finally get the full backstory. What a mom though... that is NOT what you say at a time like that. Does she like think her highschool-aged daughter is capable of murder? OR MAYBE she DID actually kill her for a reason still unknown, and she ran away from home for that very reason. What if our innocent looking sayu chan is actually a stone cold psycho?? Who knows!! Surprised her brother just sent her off like that without barely trying to make her NOT run away from home. Or maybe he just really understood the situation and staying away from the mom was actually indeed the best option. Felt kind of weird, but it’s good that he does care about his younger sister... I think? Feels like there’s more story left untold about this family and if there is, this might get good. If not, it’s just alright. |
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| That was dumb. Really tho, I was expecting something better, it was sad, but I’ve seen too many backstories like that. |
under”Mebius” is my salvation  |
 So off topic, at least she kept her promise. For me, it would be traumatic to smile like Sayu. |
| Wow. Wrong decision after one another. I'm maybe being nitpicky but that girl who commited suicide is an idiot. Being bullied? Call the teacher, parents, or even the police. You commited suicide only because the calm and cool beautiful lady Sayu is hanging out with a nerd loser like you? Thats smart. Now, about Sayu. All of her problem is not because she is unlucky, its because she makes bad decisions after bad decisions. Her brother clearly cares for her yet she let herself become prostitute rather than contacting his brother. What a selfish girl. Higehiro was interesting from the start. But after Sayu decided to have part time job, the plot started to went all south. This forced drama is stupis in my opinion. Few episodes left and I hope it gets better later on. |
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| Good episode, we finally know the background story of this girl. I thougt the Brother would be insisting and irritating, but i really get a surprise there. And well, i didnt think that sayus background story was gonna be that dark |
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| The tropes were heavy with thios one..... :P |
| "Genki is Life, Genki is Love" |
| Ahh all of those things Sayu has experienced could have been prevented if only Yuuko told teachers and her parents, welp that's anime for you. |
 (っ◔◡◔)っ 𝓘 𝔀𝓲𝓼𝓱 𝔂𝓸𝓾 𝓪𝓵𝓵 𝓱𝓪𝓿𝓮 𝓪 𝔀𝓸𝓷𝓭𝓮𝓻𝓯𝓾𝓵 𝓭𝓪𝔂 ♥ |
| This episode tried to put the feels, and I will admit, to a certain small degree I did get "the feels" and eyes were humid at best... but come on. The backstory felt contrived, predictable and empty. This show's flow is all over the place. It's one of those stories that I keep predicting something much more grandiose than what ends up actually being the truth afterwards. The story at Sayu's home with mom and everything.. I mean, that's it? But I guess that isn't the main focus here. The focus is (and rightfully should be) the relationship between Sayu and Yoshida. But that doesn't give a full-fledged excuse to ignore all the reasoning behind it via subplot mediocrity. Sad to say it feels like this one will be long forgotten in not a very long time from now unfortunately. But I'm not one to drop a show so I'll keep going 'til the end. Somehow I doubt it'll get a second season. |
| oh what a horny kinky JK! but man! that was a very harsh back story of Sayu! 5/5. |
matias067Jun 1, 2021 12:27 AM
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| Lowered my score from a 3 to a 2. Which is what I ultimately gave Tomozaki-kun. Feels weird, because I think Tomozaki-kun is a much more inferior show as a whole. What a downfall. I thought Higehiro couldn't get more trashy. It is truly impressive in the most baffling, humorous way imaginable. I don't see Yoshida-man as a figure that you should look up to or want to be. His life was seemingly going no where until a chance encounter with a JK girl, whom he let into his home. Let that sink in. He gets some morality points for having a moral compass and not giving in to primal disgusting desires, unlike several other males would (and have in this story's case). He's just another guy, slowly but surely maturing along with the teenager. The show tries hard to grab at your heart strings by showing you the impact they have on each other's lives, showing the contrast of who they were at the beginning of the show, and how they are up to this point, and that is admirable. But because the two characters are so poorly written, it lacks meaning, and the point just doesn't hit. Especially when you're constantly introducing these cheap drama tactics to push the plot along. We got more insight into one of the only decent characters in the show. Sayu's brother, who acts a little bit more like a father than a brother with how he is able to pinpoint Sayu's movements to a T. Which is fine, he's an older brother and this kind of behavior can be expected. However, I think the lack of explaining how he was able to keep up with her continues the pattern of the show not being able to explain its own plot lines. Her cashier friend, other girl who's name I can't be bothered to remember is another character I don't necessarily mind. On the surface. Until you realize her sole purpose is to be the friend that dead girl couldn't be. She's only there to build up Sayu, listen to her problems and help her out. We don't know anything about her. Talk about one dimensional characters. I'm curious if the books are like this, in which case, the problem is less to do with the script of the show and more the talent (or lack thereof) of the author. Last and certainly not least, Sayu's backstory wasn't convincing. It was weak. They rushed her friend's character and made her off herself so fast that it was the most unemotional suicide I've ever seen in any medium. You can't even feel bad, because it made no fucking sense. "SAYU, YOU'VE BEEN SO DEPRESSED BECAUSE OF ME, SO LEMME JUST KILL MYSELF SO I'M OUT OF YOUR LIFE! IT DEFINITELY WON'T MAKE THINGS WORSE, I MUST GO AS QUICKLY AS I WAS INTRODUCED. BEING BULLIED IS TOO MUCH FOR ME!" Weak, terrible, borderline ridiculous plot devices, with no purpose. Perhaps it's due to the show's rapid pacing and the books go into the relationship of Sayu and girl who's name I don't even remember because she's that unimportant but for transparency's sake we can refer to her as dead girl, This show/series is empty. The characters are shallow, empty, uninspired, uninteresting, lack any bit of depth or creativity. The show is desperate to throw fanservice at any possible moment to try to lure you back into its arms, and clearly that's enough for some people. The Sayu fans clearly only like this trash because of her. There's nothing else going for it. Which is weird, since she still hasn't done anything to warrant having fans to begin with. Showing her masturbate is such a desperate reach to try to appeal to what little fanbase the show has. We didn't need to see it. It doesn't matter if it happened the night of dead girl's death. It doesn't matter if it happened the next day. A week later. A month later. The show lacks context and gives the impression that she ran out as soon as she could and tried to relieve herself from her stress. But what sane person does that to make them feel better? When they're going through the prospect of being the SINGULAR reason for a person killing themselves? This show is ridiculous. People that defend this show are almost just as bad. However, if you find enjoyment in this kind of thing, that's fine. I'm sure your reasons are as shallow as the show is, but all opinions matter. It's just an opinion I couldn't understand if you paid me. I wonder if the show will reach a 1 in my list by the end of the season. Or do the unthinkable and provide a satisfying conclusion that will increase the score. One thing's for sure, I think one of those options is absolutely impossible at this point, lol. One more thing I found preposterous. Those girls that were bullying dead girl, they weren't able or willing to bully Sayu, because she seemed cool/pretty???? What on earth? Isn't that more reason for them to target her? I have to stop thinking about this badly written fiction. It's giving me a headache. |
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