Worst plot hole/inconsistency you've seen? Did it ruin the anime for you?

Ackerman-Levi said:
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the enourmous plot hole that will occur in SNK S4 P2. It didn't ruin the entire series for me, but definitely removed any chance of SNK becoming a 'modern classic' like I've heard so many people say.

Fiveskies said:

So she is just like plot device ? Because I have other questions about her .

Adampk said:
when gon from hunter x hunter turned in super gon without any logic (or using fullmetal alchemist logic). when pokkle and ponzu where killed and never to be mentioned again, it felt as if they never existed in the series.
Both things bugged me a lot

mojito_ said:


Gon growing in age is not a plot hole. It makes sense in terms of nen logic. Maybe it was an asspull but even then it was hinted at earlier.

Pokkle and Ponzu dying is not a fucking plot hole, are you serious? I don’t think you know what it means. Togashi killed them off because “bad things happening to good people” is an integral part of the show. The hunter world is cruel.

Adampk said:
when gon from hunter x hunter turned in super gon without any logic (or using fullmetal alchemist logic). when pokkle and ponzu where killed and never to be mentioned again, it felt as if they never existed in the series.
Both things bugged me a lot

Yumerei said:




As for Pokkle and Ponzu, they're just your average everyday minor characters doing their duties

Adampk said:
Gon becoming super gon is almost a plot hole. it was a new case introduced just for that powerup purpose and its never talked again. there is no nen logic, that logic was introduced then and there. U are confusing it with something else

Adampk said:
Gon being super gon was a major power up point in that arc. They literally introduced a random power up skill right then and there without any foreshadowing. just saying it will cost ur nen is not enough.

Adampk said:


Gon being super gon was a major power up point in that arc. They literally introduced a random power up skill right then and there without any foreshadowing. just saying it will cost ur nen is not enough. it was not even properly explained compared to other nen skill togashi has introduced. Did u see any other hunter using that trick except gon? that trick could have been used by anyone, but only gon used it? why? Because its a plot hole. I don't understand how u can't see it...

As for pokkle and ponzu, they were a major character in first arc (not some random folk). What was the purpose of these to character in this chimera ant arc?? - "get killed and make chimera look OP". Thats called bad writing even if u dont agree. U can put many justification like (world is cruel, they were doing there duties etc), but that doesn't change the fact that it was poorly shown/written plot point.

Avicebrons said:

But it wasn't introduced then and there. They revealed extremely early in the series how Nen works. More specifically, what Gon did is pretty much the same as what Kurapika did. Which was basically entering a contract to boost the output. Kurapika's chains were insanely powerful because his contract specified that they only worked on Phantom Troupe members. Using it on anyone else would kill him. That was the sacrifice Kurapika made to power himself up. And that's what Gon did too, he essentially sacrificed everything to momentarily power up, which is why his power up was so incredibly insane. Pitou herself even states something along the lines of "He is prepared to never use Nen again", which is part of what he sacrificed for his power up (along with his own life force).

You can definitely call it an asspull. But not a plothole.

Adampk said:

No, u are wrong. what kurapika did with his chains and what gon did was 2 seperate things.

Gon did "limited transformation", the type of nen used is unknown. it actually looks similar to bill's Erigeron (bill is a character introduced afterwords arc). but still its only similar, no concrete explanation was given for what gon exactly used.

As for kurapika's power, kurapika has scarlert eyes which allows him to change from conjurer to specialist which helps him using emperor time whose boosts his ability at the cost of shorten life span. also he created chain using conjurer ability by put a limitation on chain jail that it will be only used on phantom troupe and these chain jail were used to make judgement chain by putting limitation by warping chain around his heart.
First of all it properly explained, second it something different from what gon did.

What gon never used any limitation or anything. He was like "i am angry, so superpower at the cost of nen". So yeah , no really any foreshadowing for what gon did was given in past

Adampk said:

No, u are wrong. what kurapika did with his chains and what gon did was 2 seperate things.

Gon did "limited transformation", the type of nen used is unknown. it actually looks similar to bill's Erigeron (bill is a character introduced afterwords arc). but still its only similar, no concrete explanation was given for what gon exactly used.

As for kurapika's power, kurapika has scarlert eyes which allows him to change from conjurer to specialist which helps him using emperor time whose boosts his ability at the cost of shorten life span. also he created chain using conjurer ability by put a limitation on chain jail that it will be only used on phantom troupe and these chain jail were used to make judgement chain by putting limitation by warping chain around his heart.
First of all it properly explained, second it something different from what gon did.

What gon never used any limitation or anything. He was like "i am angry, so superpower at the cost of nen". So yeah , no really any foreshadowing for what gon did was given in past

Yumerei said:

It was explained well, very early on when they started their first lesson on nen.

Nope. Pokkle and Ponzu were minor characters from start to finish. They were never mojor characters. And underdeveloped minor characters do not equal plot holes. Plot hole is when a story lacks continuity. Using minor characters as fodders has nothing to do with nonexistent plots.

Avicebrons said:

Well...No actually. I'm not wrong. Both Kurapika and Gon used contracts. Which was a concept introduced well before Gon's transformation. Both in their contracts sacrificed something in order to gain a power boost. Their sacrifice were both different in scale, which means Gon's power up was greater than Kurapika's.

Adampk said:

Did u read my previous comment?? I said pokkle and ponzu was "poor writing", not plot hole. So why are u repeating it again

as for gon, i don't know what to say to u...lol

"Nen is the vital energy of all life forms, aka the life force. Ever wonder what happens if you, say, used up your life force?"

Introduce a logical working system of power and stick to that. Do asspull logic form other series like full metal alchemist.

How the hell did gon used up all his life force. did someone give him superblender to convert nen into future potential ultra power? why are others not able to do it? pokkle , ponzu, Neferpitou, morel why are others not able to do it??

Sigh.....

Adampk said:
U want be to bring manga panel of gon's power up. they was not really any logic explained in it. Gon did not put a restriction on himself (aka contract). what he did was "use up" some imaginary power getting a OP powers. They very loose way of looking at what contracts are supposed to be...

After the siege on the palace, through a Contract, Gon sacrificed all of his inborn talents in order to gain immense power

Yumerei said:

So... what does "poor writing" have to with "worst plot hole/inconsistency"?

About gon, I told you, it's explained, in the very first nen lesson. There are 2 ways to achieve nen powers: by effort, or by provoking it.
We didn't see it the first time when they were provoked, but now we get to see the consequence of provoking when a person is in a vulnerable mental state.

ChibiTalha said:


What was wrong with that fight? Luffy had already defeated Doflamingo, all he needed was an edge to end the fight for good.

Adampk said:

so are u said pokkle and punzo (other's like them) didn't have vulnerable state mind. only gon can have vulnerable state of mind...lol

as for pokkle and punzo case i never said its a plot hole in my first comment. I only said i was uncomfortable seeing the poor writing and it bugged me. that all

Nalusa_Falaya said:
In terms of inconsistency then it's probably some of Levi's decisions in AOT S3 P2

In terms of plot holes then it's a tie between

Avicebrons said:

It was not explained during his power up scene BECAUSE it had already been explained how it works before the scene took place. Or do you expect them to narrate redundant information over every single scene?

And he did use a contract.
^ Literally straight from the Wiki

Not that I'd say the Wiki is 100% reliable since anyone can use it, but just so that you hear it from someone else other than me. It was very obvious that he used a contract, hence why they don't need to explain it. Because contracts had already been properly explained when Kurapika used it.

And if you do want some further reinforcement of this fact, then Killua says it too a bit later


Like I said before, you can call this asspull if you want. But it's not a plothole.

Adampk said:

"Nen responds to the goals, strengths, and desires of individual users. As a result, a student of Nen can increase the overall power of an individual skill by stating a self-imposed restriction that forces even more conditions on it. For example, if one consciously decides something along the lines of "I will only use this skill on Thursdays" or "I will only use this skill against short people" and manages to abide by that rule, that particular skill will become stronger. These restrictions are called "Limitations" and the act of swearing to respect them "Vow" or "Contract"."

Gon didnot really put a restriction . He did not put a rule on himself. he literally lost his nen at cost after attaining greater power. there was not really a limitation set up or nothing like that was ever explained.

Adampk said:
Gon didnot really put a restriction

Yumerei said:

Well, they don't. Lol. They were physically venerable anyway and could do nothing before being made into puppets. Just look at the last moment of Pitou, she went berserk along with Gon. That's what I call full on psycho.

Yeah ok, you never said that but this topic is about plot holes. Why do you think we misunderstood?

Avicebrons said:

There was a restriction he put on himself though? Did you even read/watch it? He sacrificed his Nen and lifeforce just to beat Pitou. In the image I shared, Killua quite literally says that Gon put RESTRICTION on himself.

I mean how can you say this:After I showed you this image from the manga...


You are asking for examples from the manga. Then you straight up disagree with the things the manga brings up...

Adampk said:

well, the other guys statement already disapproves ur theory. he showed a panel were killua called it as a oath and restriction afterwards . Even if it doesn't appears as one to me logically speaking

Yumerei said:

Didn't you notice it was in past tense? Lmao. Gon did place tremendous restriction on himself. That's why he went berserk during the last moments and verbally attacked Killua, which he never do when he was sane. It's never good to bottle up everything.

Nalusa_Falaya said:
In terms of inconsistency then it's probably some of Levi's decisions in AOT S3 P2

In terms of plot holes then it's a tie between

Adampk said:

U literally lost me. Other guy is actually speaking some logic. but i don't know what u mean by past tense or whatever u are saying.

Yumerei said:

???
What? You don't know manga is written work? When it's an ongoing action, it will always be written in present tense. This isn't even fantasy logic, it's real life logic.

Adampk said:

So what is in supposed to be in past tense??

Yumerei said:

"With tremendous level of oath and restriction Gon placed on himself"
Unless Gon's already dead, it shows that he used to do that. If he's still placing those restrictions on himself, it'd be written as:
"With tremendous level of oath and restriction Gon places on himself"

Avicebrons said:

It's not a plothole though. The restriction Gon places on himself is to give up Nen (and his life force) after this one fight. Just as Kurapika's restriction is to not use the chains on anyone other than Phantom Troupe. You seem way too focused on this "restriction" nonsense. When it was objectively true that the author showcased Gon using a contract. It's not a theory. Whether you agree with it or not, Togashi did portray Gon using a contract. Otherwise he wouldn't have had Killua even go as far as to say he did. So no matter how you twist and turn what is and isn't a restriction, that still doesn't change the fact that that is what Gon did.

What is restriction? A form of limitation. Okay, so how did Gon limit himself? He limited himself by giving up his Nen and life force after the fight with Pitou. It's really not that complicated to understand. Look at it from this angle instead, his vow basically says "Against anyone other than Pitou, I will be much less powerful". And Kurapika's vow basically said "Against anyone other than the Phantom Troupes, I will be much less powerful". Of course that's an oversimplification, but that's the general idea behind their respective vows.

I'm not exactly sure what it is you aren't getting. It just seems like you refuse to accept that he made a vow for that scene. But why? It's very obvious to everyone else that watched it. I don't think I've met a single person who was confused about how his powerup worked. And like mentioned earlier, even the author himself reinforces this idea so that there's no speculation to be had.

Adampk said:

But its not really stop using nen (aka restriction)- it sacrificed his inborn talant (aka exchange)... so that which it a plot hole.

It cannot be called a restriction unless u restrict something.
I don't know why u cant understand that fact that restriction is not equal to exchange or sacrifice.

Limitation is put by "not using nen" not by giving up nen. How can giving up be called a restriction. Which brings a new question how do someone give up nen???. Definetly non of these are explained, u are just speculating, there is no concrete explanation.

Togashi just tried to cover up a plothole he created (the mention was afterwards, so it was he trying to cover it up). but unfortunately he couldn't cover up at a technical level.

Playay said:
The moon at Assassination Classroom was already destroyed like 3/4 part of it, yet nothing is happened. Then if it's completely destroyed, wouldn't it be nothing really different?

But nvm that anime still got me cry.

Adampk said:

Lol...Past tense is because it has already happened. That scene is from kilua going to ask his sisters help to heal gon which happened after gon went op. So what does past tense had so do with anything we are talking?

Avicebrons said:

Sigh
You do realize that exchange and restriction are not mutually exclusive?

And no, it wasn't something Togashi "covered up". Because quite literally everyone (except for you I guess) understood it perfectly fine. It might've seemed like a cover up, if it wasn't for the fact that vows had already been established way earlier.

But at this point the discussion has just become redundant. I keep brining up manga examples because you asked for them and you just refuse to accept them for some arbitrarily weird reason. So I'm just gonna end this here and say if you want to think that it's a plothole, feel free to do so. I've given you more than enough to convince you otherwise. So there's really nothing more I can do if you still are under the same belief.

Adampk said:

If u are going to explain it like redo of healer logic (where he used healing to change face, reset time and what not. and he even says its called healing)

if that are trying that kind of logic, then whatever.

Yumerei said:

???
What does this have anything to do with what we're talking? Beats me. You brought up that panel, remember? I was talking about MENTAL states, course I'm going to include mental restrictions. And I still have no idea why you brought that up, tbh. But here's the thing, you can view it with illumi's rationality (nen limitations) or emotionally (letting go of oneself), either way it still follows the power balancing scale of HxH. You sacrifice something to gain something. In Gon's case, it's his life for power. Just like how Milluki gets new toys from Alluka by sacrificing people. Is it that hard to understand? Fantasy has no "logic" but this power balance is explained well enough that what happened made sense. Plot armor? Definitely. Plot hole? Nah.

OiGon said:
If you guys wanna talk about asspulls you should talk about alluka. He(yes he) is way bigger of an asspull than what gon did. Like holy shit he is basically a god if you know how he works.

Adampk said:


"U sacrifice something to gain something else" Well, that's not how exactly restriction works.
Alluka doesn't have nen power, but nanika has wish granting ability. but its not really mentioned if it related to nen or not. As for illumi case what he used was a condition - a pre set activation code (it was not a restriction)