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Jan 10, 2021 10:45 PM
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MoonDragon72 said:
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You love one piece but it isnt your favorite? Alright... my bad if it really isnt your favorite. Let me ask you, there is one show that people praise it so much and i’ve been interested to see what the show is however after watching it i dislike it so much that I gave it a 1, will the newer season change my mind if I alr hated the previous build ups, twists, story direction, and overall contents? Depending on your answer, people can judge how hypocrite you are


I guess you haven't read my previous posts. I used to like the previous seasons of AOT but I didn't love them. Opinions change over time.


Is that how you define your score of 1? Felt out of love so badly that you gave it the worst score possible?
Jan 10, 2021 10:49 PM
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That rating...you love to see it : )
Jan 10, 2021 10:54 PM

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This is the moment everything changes. Pick your side now and stick with it till the end cause there's no right or wrong in this endgame. Reiner and Eren's convo was adapted perfectly with those heavy expression of words. While one stopped and started to question his guilt actions the other moves forward without turning back. #TeamEren
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Jan 10, 2021 10:54 PM
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I didn't know, at the begging, where Willy's speech would end. I even believed, for a moment, he would ask to not invade Paradise Island.
He is someone I call terrifying.
Beautifully, Eren killed him.

OH YEAH, CRUSH IT, EREN.
UHAAAAA
Jan 10, 2021 10:57 PM
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"MAPPA should be closed down and all the people in the company should be publicly crucified because they didn't play the "right" Ost for 10 seconds."

That's what I get from all these entitled man children who think they're above the people behind the show.
Jan 10, 2021 11:02 PM

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Saw a glimpse of CG Eren. Hopefully the CG will be smooth going forward
Jan 10, 2021 11:02 PM
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MoonDragon72 said:

Here's the first 3 examples that came to mind:
1. Most of the twists are so obvious. Of course the guy with the crutch that kid was talking to was Eren. Who else could it have been?
2. The exposition scenes go on for way too fucking long and most of them tell the audience shit that they already know.
3. I fucking hate where this show is going with this World War 2 thing. The first time I watched the basement reveals, back when I still liked this show, I thought at first that maybe this would be interesting, but the more I thought about it the more I realized that this entire series was just a really bad WWII fanfic and nothing more. But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe something will happen later on that will click with me and I'll realize that I'm stupid and that this is the best anime since Spirited Away. I doubt it tho.

Regarding number 1, it wasn't a twist, it was more of a subtle way telling you that "Eren is watching".

I have to disagree with number 2. Some of the best episodes in the series are the dialogue heavy ones. Here are some of my favorites:
- S2 EP9 (Opening) because of Reiner and Eren's fallout.
- S3 EP20 (That Day) when Isayama was literally speaking to the audience.
- S4 EP5 (Declaration of War) because this episode gave a deeper understanding of the complex relationship between Eren and Reiner. And not just that, it literally explained some of the most irritating plot holes in the entire show like "How did Eldia lose the war?" and "Why didn't the king do anything when Wall Maria fell?". How could we ever move forward without ever understanding the motivations of the most important characters?

A major mistake in some popular shows/movies is not explaining the reason why the characters make decisions that are completely out of character. Here are some infamous examples:

1. Western Animation
- Steven Universe, Steven Universe: The Movie, and Steven Universe: Future
Reason:

- Star vs. The Forces of Evil
Reason:

- Voltron: Legendary Defender
Reason:

- Frozen II
Reason:


2. Korean Drama
- Black
Reason:


3. Anime
- The God of Highschool
Reason:

- BNA
Reason:


There is a reason why Avatar: The Last Airbender is considered as one of the greatest animated TV shows ever. And part of this is the reason is that the writers took their time to truly develop their characters and through meaningful conversations and heavy dialogue. If Eren just suddenly appeared out of nowhere and killed innocent people along with Willy Tybur without any given explanation on why he would do this, I would've hated this episode. Character development is important.

Lastly, about number 3, this show has a powerful message about war. This episode took it's time to explain the motives behind each side. Justified? To the people on the side they've chosen, yes. But notice how both sides have done truly awful things? The show is about people having no other choice but to do what they believe is right. It's war. At a time where two political parties could cause a disastrous election and result in a messy presidential transition, the timing for this episode to air is perfect. I just think that the whole World War II feels is just isn't for you and maybe you'd just prefer a different genre.
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Selenehakz said:
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I guess you haven't read my previous posts. I used to like the previous seasons of AOT but I didn't love them. Opinions change over time.


Is that how you define your score of 1? Felt out of love so badly that you gave it the worst score possible?


My scores for previous seasons are a little higher.
Jan 10, 2021 11:12 PM
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Damn them for ending it on a cliffhanger and after 2 weeks,

I just want them to show the whole thing like Netflix does,

That transformation though, it was amazing and will's speech made somethings clear but that transformation was just amazing
Jan 10, 2021 11:16 PM

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Replayed the last scene a bunch of times, one of the most intense talks in the show. Eren's transformation is insane. I guess he just accepted that Falco could've died, or he was hoping Reiner would protect him.
Jan 10, 2021 11:29 PM

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Awesome way for Eren to show up.

I don't know what this Warhammer titan thing is.
Jan 10, 2021 11:34 PM
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DECLARATION OF WAR!!!! LETS GO...

EREN AND REINER HAVE SOME TALK 4 YEARS AFTER THEY LAST SEE EACH OTHER...

AND YES!!! EREN JUST TRFANSFORMED INTO A FOUNDING TITAN!!! LETS GO!!!

Jan 10, 2021 11:35 PM
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Also for a proper review of this episode, without the bitchy manga readers every where, I think the way its analyzed seen and applauded in this video is great: https://youtu.be/YDqGDN-OraU
Jan 10, 2021 11:43 PM

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This ep was great , eren and reiner's convo was spot on and i like how they made tybur's speech , the last scene was pretty great even without the ost, the great use of osts in the previous seasons must've definitely put ppl to expect more, but the fact that it was so much impactful without a ost proves its greatness, atleast for me
Jan 11, 2021 12:17 AM
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Jesus christ that was one hell of an episode.

Sure, the animation for the most part was okay to good-ish but I don't think that takes a single bit away from the development of this episode. This is what we've been building towards so many years; The first act of Eeren's vow to end it all and eradicate them all.

It's so twisted and I feel bad for both Eren and Reiner because - very much so - they are both the same, having been raised on lies and deception. I can't wait to see the next episode and the fight that follows :D
Jan 11, 2021 12:31 AM
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Peak fiction. Not much else to say. Some people might complain about ost used in the end. But the scene is legendary regardless.
Jan 11, 2021 12:40 AM

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ok but like those guys' reactions when pieck gave one of them a hug...

i would gladly accept a hug from pieck :( <3


also great episode.. i enjoyed watching willy's play (rip willy) and eren's transformation was epic
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Jan 11, 2021 12:41 AM
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Oh yes.. So Eren's time has finally come, huh? I'm literally dying for that last scene. 10/10 for this perfect ep. Be ready folks for Episode 6 and onwards 🔥
Jan 11, 2021 12:55 AM

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DECLARATION OF WARRRR FINALLYYY
Jan 11, 2021 12:58 AM
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Great start to 2021.

Eren killing Willy Tybur on stage. What a mad-lad lmao
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Jan 11, 2021 1:02 AM
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Exactly how I imagined. Magnificent!
Jan 11, 2021 1:10 AM

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This is the most freaking amazing thing I've seen in a looooong looooong loooong, time.
Ok, bye bye everyone, I will replay those last seconds of the episode for at least 30 minutes.
Jan 11, 2021 1:13 AM
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Arin-san said:
Wait... the Attack Titan is not 3DCG like people were claiming it to be? Then it means that this adaption still has hope? I can't believe it. So this must also mean that Warhammer is gonna be 2D as well.

But yeah like some people said, a lot of off-model drawings in this episode. I kinda hyped this episode a bit too much, thinking it'll be the best one, sadly we'll have to wait another week.

There were like only 3 actual 2D frames/stills of the Attack Titan(the rest being the same stills just with moving hair), the one where he breaks out, the face zoom-in and the last shot with Willy tossed up. The part where actual animation was required to show movement where AT destroys the stage and tosses Willy up was masked with CG smoke and CG Attack Titan. I think they're gonna use 2D only for still shots. They'll probably use CG in the action heavy scenes. Sigh
Jan 11, 2021 1:16 AM
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Wait... the Attack Titan is not 3DCG like people were claiming it to be? Then it means that this adaption still has hope? I can't believe it. So this must also mean that Warhammer is gonna be 2D as well.

But yeah like some people said, a lot of off-model drawings in this episode. I kinda hyped this episode a bit too much, thinking it'll be the best one, sadly we'll have to wait another week.

There were like only 3 actual 2D frames/stills of the Attack Titan(the rest being the same stills just with moving hair), the one where he breaks out, the face zoom-in and the last shot with Willy tossed up. The part where actual animation was required to show movement where AT destroys the stage and tosses Willy up was masked with CG smoke and CG Attack Titan. I think they're gonna use 2D only for still shots. They'll probably use CG in the action heavy scenes. Sigh
Obviously, the time crunch issue is evident, but I still hope all the 2d sakuga will be seen for the odm
Jan 11, 2021 1:18 AM
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SO if the truth had been told about Karl Fritz in their history books then there wouldn't had been any problem in the first place......neither the eldians would had been discriminated neither grisha's sister had been killed neither grisha would had attacked the Riess family and had injected the Founding titan serum into Eren........
Jan 11, 2021 1:20 AM
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SO if the truth had been told about Karl Fritz in their history books then there wouldn't had been any problem in the first place......neither the eldians would had been discriminated neither grisha's sister had been killed neither grisha would had attacked the Riess family and had injected the Founding titan serum into Eren........
Yeah, but the fucking marleyans back then didn't want that. It was such a simple thing to resolve but the politics clearly fucked things up further. wow what an interesting fact truly a great episode
Jan 11, 2021 1:21 AM
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Obviously if you have some sort of reasoning to back your opinion then there's nothing wrong with saying your preference. I was mainly talking about those that say and put down sh*t with no reason, or that it "wasn't how they envisioned it so it's bad".


i see, my bad for assuming first earlier

For this scene in particular, while I agree youseebiggirl sounds more epic, I feel the chosen OST displays a quiet sense of horror that fits well with the changes we've seen so far with Eren. This isn't just another big titan attack scene like in S1 or S4 previously, it's the first moment we see the Eren of this time vs the Eren of the past. It's Eren, the "hero", doing what he believes is the right action to take next (we have stuck with the group for 3 seasons so as of right now we still generally see them as the heros). That being said, if youseebiggirl were used instead, I wouldn't complain either. It's a good track and if you don't care about it meaning something other than what's being displayed, then you'll enjoy it too.

With enough effort you can always find something wrong with anything, so I'm not here to argue that either is perfect. I respect your opinion of liking youseebiggirl better in this scene but will still say that both OSTs get the point of the scene across.


hmm i see, so it's a matter of perspective lol, my POV is that Eren is the enemy now, while your POV see Eren as the one who needs to save Paradis Island after Tybur formed an Military Alliance with other countries, so he has no choice but to attack first. I guess both 2Volt and youseeBIGGIRL/Vogel Im Kafig could fit depending on individuals' point of view when watching the eps.



I actually agree that with the time we've spent in the 4 episodes with Falco, Reiner, and crew, we are slowly seeing Eren become the "bad guy" (at least to them). Now Eren is clearly the one taking the action (usually the job of the antagonist/villain) instead of reacting (typically meant for the protagonists). I just like to think that this scene is the transition between the Eren of S1-3 and the Eren of S4.

Here's to hoping they use youseebiggirl or some other hype asf track with the same/similar scene at the start of next episode, I've seen some anime do that when conveying different messages from end of an episode vs start of a new one.
Jan 11, 2021 1:23 AM
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This episode was really amazing even though manga readers are spewing all the hate they want to, just because of a single ost, I couldn't have been more satisfied with this episode.. The tension, the buildup everything was nothing short of amazing... Although I just hope that we can have better Titan animation at some point in the upcoming episodes...
Jan 11, 2021 1:26 AM

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Things are more clear and the timeskip makes more sense now. I can't fucking wait for the next ep. The hype is real.


Jan 11, 2021 1:34 AM

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That was really nicely done.
Jan 11, 2021 1:39 AM
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It was so good I'm gonna cry.
Does anyone know when will part 2 release?
Jan 11, 2021 1:40 AM

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Eren told Reiner that they are the same, Marley has good and bad people, but he still sees them as enemies. Tybur declared the truth of their wrong-doings and asked the whole world to unite against one common evil. It was interesting that he said the people in Paradis just wanted peace, they are just common folk and yet Tybur declares war against not just Eren, but the entire isle of Paradis. I loved all the contrasting words here.

Attack Titan looked just full of rage and I was tense the whole episode just waiting for this. I'm so excited for the War Hammer.
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Jan 11, 2021 1:41 AM

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Oh fuck the founding titan can just mass spawn colossal titans? That's absolutely horrifying.

This episode was so good. I got goosebumps when Eren's eyes started glowing. AoT just keeps getting better and better as time goes on.

So excited for next week. Can't wait to see Warhammer, probably my favorite titan design wise so far (even though I've only seen it in the trailer lol)
Jan 11, 2021 1:44 AM

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Oh my god, I don't know if you guys have poor comprehension or just manga readers being manga readers

Again, that isn't the problem

We never saw eren grab tybur, that is the PROBLEM, it's a BLATANT SKIP SCENE, SKIP CLASH done wrong
Lol, I'm really not sure what you're talking about anymore. So your problem is that they didn't show Willy getting grabbed? Why does that matter? We literally see Eren throwing him into the air and then there's blood everywhere after that.


Uhm, yeah? this is an anime adaptation bro, that scene was high tension and you don't have a problem with it being a slideshow? Can you even hear yourself with that kind of excuse huh, I guess you're not only a manga reader but also a anime READER, reading a slideshow

Skip scenes is how you hide bad choreography
Jan 11, 2021 1:47 AM

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Was getting chills when Eren transformed.GREATNESS
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Jan 11, 2021 1:51 AM
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AoT never fails to deliver. Another masterpiece episode that kept me on my toes all throughout. Thank you, Mappa.
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Jan 11, 2021 1:57 AM

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This truly is peak fiction
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Jan 11, 2021 1:59 AM
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I found this video here https://youtu.be/miIzxTR6e9c
Takes some very good points and analyzes the episode in a good way, check it out
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Jan 11, 2021 2:02 AM

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Idc if I jinx it, but its nice to see that it broke the 90% barrier

Seems the mangaloids have calmed down a bit
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Jan 11, 2021 2:03 AM
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It was an emotional roller coaster for me, switching between sides and perspective quickly with each dialogue between Eren and Reiner.
Jan 11, 2021 2:16 AM

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Damn, I can't stand the dialogue between Eren and Reiner. so peaceful and threatening at the same time. it gave me goosebumps throughout the episode. and finally Eren did what Reiner was doing back then. Its time for revenge hell yeah.
Jan 11, 2021 2:24 AM
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Idc if I jinx it, but its nice to see that it broke the 90% barrier

Seems the mangaloids have calmed down a bit


Dont jinx it, the mangaloids will complain again LoL

Anyway, dope episode
Jan 11, 2021 2:24 AM

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It was so good I'm gonna cry.
Does anyone know when will part 2 release?
Not for a while. No info on it too.
Jan 11, 2021 2:32 AM
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Harsha1314 said:
MAK_680 said:

There were like only 3 actual 2D frames/stills of the Attack Titan(the rest being the same stills just with moving hair), the one where he breaks out, the face zoom-in and the last shot with Willy tossed up. The part where actual animation was required to show movement where AT destroys the stage and tosses Willy up was masked with CG smoke and CG Attack Titan. I think they're gonna use 2D only for still shots. They'll probably use CG in the action heavy scenes. Sigh
Obviously, the time crunch issue is evident, but I still hope all the 2d sakuga will be seen for the odm

Don't get your hopes up too much because in the livestream last month, they said that we can expect "SOMETHING NEW" regarding the ODM gear scenes when they were asked about it. They'll most definietely use CG in some way or other for ODM scenes(excluding backgrounds) like use CG human models idk. I could be wrong though.
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MAK_680 said:
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Obviously, the time crunch issue is evident, but I still hope all the 2d sakuga will be seen for the odm

Don't get your hopes up too much because in the livestream last month, they said that we can expect "SOMETHING NEW" regarding the ODM gear scenes when they were asked about it. They'll most definietely use CG in some way or other for ODM scenes(excluding backgrounds) like use CG human models idk. I could be wrong though.
making cg models for humans and implementing them especially for odm gear scenes is supposed to be near impossible, as it is quite tough to make movements like that with cg, but we'll see
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Absolute phenomenal episode, the intensity was off the charts.

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Harsha1314 said:
MAK_680 said:

Don't get your hopes up too much because in the livestream last month, they said that we can expect "SOMETHING NEW" regarding the ODM gear scenes when they were asked about it. They'll most definietely use CG in some way or other for ODM scenes(excluding backgrounds) like use CG human models idk. I could be wrong though.
making cg models for humans and implementing them especially for odm gear scenes is supposed to be near impossible, as it is quite tough to make movements like that with cg, but we'll see
Harsha1314 said:
MAK_680 said:

Don't get your hopes up too much because in the livestream last month, they said that we can expect "SOMETHING NEW" regarding the ODM gear scenes when they were asked about it. They'll most definietely use CG in some way or other for ODM scenes(excluding backgrounds) like use CG human models idk. I could be wrong though.
making cg models for humans and implementing them especially for odm gear scenes is supposed to be near impossible, as it is quite tough to make movements like that with cg, but we'll see


Inuyashiki is kind of it isnt it?
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Harsha1314 said:
making cg models for humans and implementing them especially for odm gear scenes is supposed to be near impossible, as it is quite tough to make movements like that with cg, but we'll see
Harsha1314 said:
making cg models for humans and implementing them especially for odm gear scenes is supposed to be near impossible, as it is quite tough to make movements like that with cg, but we'll see


Inuyashiki is kind of it isnt it?
yeah, but it did take a lot more time and budget to make that, and this season, didn't get enough time to make
Jan 11, 2021 3:06 AM
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Harsha1314 said:
RaitoruDemon said:


Inuyashiki is kind of it isnt it?
yeah, but it did take a lot more time and budget to make that, and this season, didn't get enough time to make


Try to watch again this trailer specifically on 1:42, i think it's gonna be like that, it's decent tho.
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Jan 11, 2021 3:09 AM
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Damn I don't even know whether I should be liking this series anymore or not. To me Both people of Each side seems Bad ass people now. At first i thought that the people of Paradis island were good and now it seems like they also were a bad guys like Reiner. Well, I don't care about the statement I made but I really getting hype to see the Ending and getting to see Falco turn in an Armored Titan(Maybe).
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