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Mtuos said: I just dont get you ppl. All you talk about is the animation. In my opinion majority has already read the manga so they dont worry about the plot at all, focus on animation and enjoy seeing scenes about what they already know. BUT I havent read manga, I dont know whats gonna happen and I just dont care about animation at all. I feel like watching the beggining of some new anime, but most of the secrets were already explored so there is no need for it. We were in the middle of the super action plot, everything was moving and now its all dead. In the S1E1 we were thrown in the middle of bloodlusty titans, now we are watching ppl chatting around table. What are they even talking about? We know the enviroment from previous episode and if they are going to do something in the future we will see it so whats the point. I feel like they just milk cow while they forgot this is not a cow, its a horse which is much better at running, not at giving milk. Not every episode has to have action . This ep had a lot of world building and shows us how the eldians are inside marley . Attck on titan was never about the fight scenes . You just seem like a shounentard in my eyes if you can't appreciate this episode . Considering the fact that you gave the first season which is considered to be the worst season by many people a 10 , it seems you are one |
Nyess_Dec 14, 2020 10:55 PM
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Mathi786 said: By that, he means that Reiner becomes the main focus of this season. But don't worry, because our beloved trio are also still the main characters. We will get to see them soon enough. No he's not He's like down at Jean's level or maybe even downer than that, I just wanna see everyone's favourite people I know they're all there but what are they doing, it's just so mysterious It will be worth the wait when everything falls together into place, I assure you. |
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YMN_KAT said: I felt so bad for the Eldians on Marley's side after this episode. After the rewatch, the episode and the soundtrack hit even harder. How does AoT do this consistently? Episodes simply don't get old. Each episode gets better the more I watch it. This is so good y'all. I can already see how nostalgic this will get after the season ends ๐ข Man I can't wait for the official OST release. I really love the new tracks. That track during family reunion almost made me cry. |
| Nice episode, more about Reiner's side. I always wanted to see more about the side of Reiner's story since he went such length to betray his former friends back then, I always thought he had his own important reason and there it is. Even Reiner got vietnam flashback hihi~ |
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| It was not the story of Reiner . It was story of all the people around us. We may hate one society or culture. But you can't hate them when you have to become part of that culture. |
TheCloverfield said: Pretty great episode today! Personally prefer it over the first one. I've had no issue with the pacing, and even if I would have preferred having no cuts at all, what they cut was in no way indispensable to the arc. The arrangement, from an anime storytelling point of view also makes more sense to me. Moving from flashback to present to flashback again would have been quite weird. (Rip pieck ass but heh) On the technical side of things, this is most likely the most well animated dialogue episode of the franchise, which surprised me a lot. The episode has a very surprising amount of character acting and quite ambitious camera work for the most basic of things. Zeke, smoking a a cigarette and Colt walking up the stairs with the camera following their steps, the camera tracking Reiner's head as he wakes up, Zeke giving fucking coffee, Udo getting on edge and expressing his anger through his body language and Gabi doing the same but for her excitement. There's more but I'm too lazy to mention those so I made a little streamable video with some bits of movement from the episode I liked: VIDEO: You barely see these in AOT, especially in a pure dialogue episode which impressed me. Outside of movement, the art itself was also very good, especially in the first half. very strong AD work. I particularely love the lines on the clothing on those Marley uniform, and under the eyes. Reiner also looks the best he has ever looked. The shading, lighting work and expressions were also on point Props to Reiner's shots which look quite fantastic and very accurate to the emotions Isayama drawin in the manga. Never seen Reiner look this good. That Porco shot is also amazing The direction was very nice and I wish episode 1 was as well directed as this one. Daisuke Tokudo did a tremendous work and the episode has a LOT of atmosphere. That mini subplot of the Eldian killing himself overnight and his family and neighbours morning his death the next day, all taking place in the background was a super nice touch which added more tension and reminded us that the Liberio ghetto was far from a cozy place. The color work was also pretty nice and I enjoyed it for the most part. I also really loved the background art of this episode, the props, walls, houses ect were very well drawn and on part with what I expected from Kusanagi. Very good stuff. Another visual aspect that surprised me is the photography. I've seen dozens of complaints about it for last episode when I thought it was honestly innofensive. But in this episode, I found it honestly very good. Probably Asakawa's best work. With this episode's good direction, she succefully gave each scene a different atmosphere and it's very easy to distinct all the different moods of the episode by simply looking at how it looks. The photography helped making the drawings look very crisp and I really hope people watch this episode in high quality because this is how it deserves to be watched. I hope I wont be seeing terrible "no blur" edits that just slap a baffling over-done sharpen filter and saturation. So yeah, very satisfied with this episode. This and Bystander are probably my two favorite pure dia TheCloverfield said: logue episodes, this one taking the cake visually-wise. Congrats to the team for pulling it off. I hope to see more of those and potentially even better for the future. I can't wait for the big action episodes!Pretty great episode today! Personally prefer it over the first one. I've had no issue with the pacing, and even if I would have preferred having no cuts at all, what they cut was in no way indispensable to the arc. The arrangement, from an anime storytelling point of view also makes more sense to me. Moving from flashback to present to flashback again would have been quite weird. (Rip pieck ass but heh) On the technical side of things, this is most likely the most well animated dialogue episode of the franchise, which surprised me a lot. The episode has a very surprising amount of character acting and quite ambitious camera work for the most basic of things. Zeke, smoking a a cigarette and Colt walking up the stairs with the camera following their steps, the camera tracking Reiner's head as he wakes up, Zeke giving fucking coffee, Udo getting on edge and expressing his anger through his body language and Gabi doing the same but for her excitement. There's more but I'm too lazy to mention those so I made a little streamable video with some bits of movement from the episode I liked: VIDEO: You barely see these in AOT, especially in a pure dialogue episode which impressed me. Outside of movement, the art itself was also very good, especially in the first half. very strong AD work. I particularely love the lines on the clothing on those Marley uniform, and under the eyes. Reiner also looks the best he has ever looked. The shading, lighting work and expressions were also on point Props to Reiner's shots which look quite fantastic and very accurate to the emotions Isayama drawin in the manga. Never seen Reiner look this good. That Porco shot is also amazing The direction was very nice and I wish episode 1 was as well directed as this one. Daisuke Tokudo did a tremendous work and the episode has a LOT of atmosphere. That mini subplot of the Eldian killing himself overnight and his family and neighbours morning his death the next day, all taking place in the background was a super nice touch which added more tension and reminded us that the Liberio ghetto was far from a cozy place. The color work was also pretty nice and I enjoyed it for the most part. I also really loved the background art of this episode, the props, walls, houses ect were very well drawn and on part with what I expected from Kusanagi. Very good stuff. Another visual aspect that surprised me is the photography. I've seen dozens of complaints about it for last episode when I thought it was honestly innofensive. But in this episode, I found it honestly very good. Probably Asakawa's best work. With this episode's good direction, she succefully gave each scene a different atmosphere and it's very easy to distinct all the different moods of the episode by simply looking at how it looks. The photography helped making the drawings look very crisp and I really hope people watch this episode in high quality because this is how it deserves to be watched. I hope I wont be seeing terrible "no blur" edits that just slap a baffling over-done sharpen filter and saturation. So yeah, very satisfied with this episode. This and Bystander are probably my two favorite pure dialogue episodes, this one taking the cake visually-wise. Congrats to the team for pulling it off. I hope to see more of those and potentially even better for the future. I can't wait for the big action episodes! no eren's pic w/ one leg?? smh |
that's rotoscope. and dont ever you compare this  to this  |
Mtuos said: shingojira-chan said: Not every episode has to have action . This ep had a lot of world building and shows us how the eldians are inside marley . Attck on titan was never about the fight scenes . You just seem like a shounentard in my eyes if you can't appreciate this episode . Considering the fact that you gave the first season which is considered to be the worst season by many people a 10 , it seems you are one Oh pls, I am aware my post is only from one point of view... I am not saying I need action, Id like to see something from anime series I know and, what I see is discussion about war while everyone seems to have fine time. I admit I tend to disagree with ppl but I really think fight scenes are really popular in this anime. I usually dont even cares about fight scenes and animation at all but aot has so original fights that I really enjoy them even though I seek satisfying plot on the first place. PS. I created my account here like two months ago bcs I wanted some kind of list of anime I watched. I dont really remember all the details and certainly I cant give 100% accurate score. What I remember is I ejoyed the first season most bcs of the mystery, exploring new concepts in the world, best opening soundtrack (I skip openings all the time, I find them trash, but I liked that one for some reason)... I actually get your point that you like AoT for the action but I honestly think that action is not the only thing that defines AoT, it's not your typical man-eating survival walking dead esque series. Sure, the foundations were similar to it but it evolved to a multi-faceted war story with a subtext of freedom, ignorance, racism et cetera while remaining a mystery as early as season 2. It's just that...the post timeskip AoT embraces these hidden subtextual philosophical themes openly. About the dinner scene, you might have missed the context. Reiner was asked to explain the devils of paradis island and the worst thing he could think unironically humanized the people of paradis. It tells a lot about reiner's character that within himself, he doesn't see them as devils (a part of his split personality) and that how brainwashed the mainland eldians are. EDIT: I realized I misread your point. I thought you wanted action, welp. But my point still stands. |
| Better than the first episode. So far so good, loving Reiner's character development tbh. |
| Ep was kinda boring but made me understand what's going on better. |
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| Look at these children complaining because muuh boring dialogues muh no titan actions AoT is literally too mature for you, and it's not a particularly mature story. |
| So, Ymir just dies off the screen? sad. Also, Zeke doesn't know who his mother was, and that he's of royal blood? interesting. I kind of want to see his reunion with Eren. Speaking of, I hope we'll get back to original gang soon, not that I don't enjoy seeing more of Eldians life in Marley, but still wonder what's happening back on the Paradis. Especially after they said that none of the Marley expedition there never returned. Also only 16 episodes, hope they won't rush it and screw it up. |
| MAPPA: Shows a clip of Hero in episode 2. Hero: Comes back to the top of IMDb Episodes List (and Snk skyrockets in the popularity rankings). MAPPA:  Disclaimer: Righ now, the recent snapshots in WebArchive are all fallen, but the historial shows them recorded, so it should be visible in a matter of hours (hopefully). |
wasssoDec 15, 2020 8:38 AM
| Okay, I'm actually starting to really like these new faces, and to be honest, Reiner too, although I've never been a fan of him, but here he has the potential to become a likable character I think. But I still wanna see the old gang soooo bad pls. The part where they just casually revealed that Yimir is dead broke my heart. |
are you kidding If the cgi were like this, we wouldn't complain from the beginning but this is not a CGI on the contrary this 2D animation is amazing |
| Mappa delivering so far, but yeah this is a part that i remember moving very slowly in the manga |
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| I’m a fan of AOT for more than a year now, and man was I hyped to see the final season! I loved the first three seasons and I liked the first episode of season 4, really didn’t notice anything bad about it. I also want to make it clear that I’m totally NOT a hater of MAPPA. I actually was very open-minded about AOT changing stuidios, because it was well-known that WIT couldn’t handle it anymore. I was rather glad to see that it was MAPPA who got it. Guys who made Kids on the Slope, Terror In Rezonance, Yuri On Ice, Banana Fish… It was all good, enjoyable stuff. If you remember the series I’ve just named, you’ll see that MAPPA are totally able to draw and animate people decently, whether they talk, fight, skate or whatever. So while I was watching the episode 2 and right after, the only question I had was: What. Was. That. Shit. It really was the first time the bad quality of animation ruined the experience for me. What is worst, that this episode was not some highly complicated scenes like flying with 3DMG, but simply people walking and talking. Probably this is because I’ve had the misfortune to read the article on in-betweening on Sakuga blog recently, and the fact that frames were obviously missing just jumped at me. https://blog.sakugabooru.com/2020/06/24/animes-present-and-future-at-stake-the-in-betweener-problem/ I’m not a specialist, I just became curious about this whole animation business and now it seems like I have to suffer for having lost my ignorance. Let me be clear: I honestly don’t care whether titans or other things are 2D or CG. In fact I actually liked the titans in the first episode, they sure looked waaay better to me than the CG horror meant to represent the Colossal titan in S3 part 2. But as I said I don’t care about titans per se. The Colossal didn’t spoil Season 3 and the CG titans cannot ruin Season 4 unassisted. I also have to stress that as a manga reader I have no problem with a calm episode. I actually like them a lot, these slice-of-lifey moments, I feel that they help us get to know the characters better. I do like action scenes in AOT (Levi vs Kenny is my absolute favorite, and you ought to know that I really didn’t care about action scenes in any film or anime before I saw AOT). And they sure are one of the key elements that made this anime famous as it is. But what makes AOT special for me are 1) plot 2) characters. And at this point I can say nothing particularly bad about plot and pacing, anime is known to switch parts of chapters here and there, this doesn’t bother me at all. But the way MAPPA has treated characters in this episode in terms of animation… This just hurt to watch, honestly. I feel glad that I’m not a fan of Reiner & Co, because their movements looked really ugly and choppy. If they do something like this to Levi or Jean, will I ever be able to unsee this? I’m not a fan of a particular style or technique. Rotoscoping or CGI are just methods, they can be used masterfully or not. (You might know that this fantastic animation from “Love Is War” ending is rotoscoping too. https://twitter.com/yuyucow/status/1091387207422746624?lang=en ) I don’t care how exactly MAPPA has achieved this abysmal result, but I honestly felt like crying. I never considered myself a truly hardcore fan, but it still hurts to see a masterpiece like AOT so rudely violated. Well, okay, let’s say I’ve expressed my feelings about the technical side. The plot: I totally agree with @MironBiron (a very fine analysis, it was a pleasure to read) that some of important parts were cut. After reading your post, I realized that I regret that they cut the moment where Marleyans cast hating looks on Eldians who return from war. It would have taken a couple of seconds, but it was important. I have never realized it up to now, but it seems like a clear parallel to the beginning of manga/anime where people in the streets of Shiganshina talk shit about the Survey Corps who return from their mission. But the thing that really stung was Reiner’s speech, especially as I see that may people have liked this part. In fact, I was rereading Marley arc recently to prepare myself for the upcoming anime awesomeness (ha-ha), and I was really happy to see that though we are still in Marley, we get to see some of the old crowd in the flashbacks. Not only Levi and Mikasa, but also Sasha, Connie, Marco, Jean, Armin and Eren. So I really was looking forward to see them, and guess what? None of them made appearance. It cannot even be justified by saving time, they could have totally shown the 104th while Reiner was talking, exactly like it was in manga. This could have also made this episode less boring by the way. But I somehow got the feeling that MAPPA were too lazy or lacking in time to animate the flashbacks by themselves, and they did not have the courage to reuse WIT’s work because its quality would stand out too much in comparison to MAPPA’s work. Without the flashbacks, I feel that anime-only watchers got rather a weird impression of what Reiner feels (something like PTSD) with all the dramatic ambience that was there in the anime. In manga it was clear to me that he’s being sacractic/mildly trolling/a little bitter as he is calling the Eldians “devils” for the sake of his brainwashed listeners but what he really does is relive his fond memories of 104th. TLDR: 2 of 5 (1 point for opening/ending songs which are quite to my taste + 1 point for Isayama’s plot). |
| The animation was so stiff for moments it felt like 2fps. |
NagoyaR said: I don't get why the Eldians just take the abuse. They have 7 Titans and could just take over Marley if they wanted to. Why stay locked inside a special area like pigs when the country needs you to win their wars. It doesn't make any sense that they just stay put The Entire world doesn't like them, only Marley put up with them and that is because they can use them for power, if they all decide to fight Marley, it wont only be Marley that they will have to go up against but the entire world, you have seen in the first episode how the titans and titan shifters struggle now imagine the entire world going against them. Not to mention all these titan shifters has family, you need to look at it in their perspective. |
| Never fanboyed so hard than from those 2 seconds of flashbacks/reiner's nightmare Read the manga right after finish season 3 part 2 last year, but honestly forgot about a lot of it; but it's all coming back now. I remember how I liked how they humanized the other side instead of totally villainizing them straight out. The world's more complicated than that, and it goes to show here. And dang I think this is some solid animation. I remember it's also heavily focused on reiner, and they do a good job with him. Maybe despite having a dark history, having peace is all that matters? Not an original topic at all but one that really fits the themes of AOT. Also, EREN. Also, half of a POTATO?? so EVIL |
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BadJoash said: Also, half of a POTATO?? so EVIL Haha Reiner is so bad at lying now as compared to before. Btw, Reiner's mom was freaked out because he started describing the island Eldians as normal people, which completely contradicts the propaganda brainwashing that they have been fed all this time. |
xShadov said: The brothers' full name are Marcel Galliard and Porco Galliard, so both of them are Galliard technically.2. so Ymir ate Marcel, previous Jaw titan, then Galliard ate Ymir to get that power back, but... Ymir wasn't a special titan. Her titan was just a regular one. She had the power inside while being a normal titan, because I don't know, a special serum is needed to be able to use special titan powers? Or I didn't miss anything and this is yet to be revealed? Ymir's Titan was no longer regular after devouring Marcel; it had the same abilities as the one currently possessed by Porco. This is her titan form before devouring Marcel:   and this is after:  The difference may be very subtle and barely noticeable, but it's there. The Jaw Titan's abilities would be explored more in the upcoming episodes. |
I just realized that all of my favorite characters, beside being stunningly beautiful, also happen to be exceptionally skilled murder machines. \('-')/ I'm level on mal-badges. View my badges. |
| Nice second episode. I’m curious to see what’s going on with Eren and the others. |
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| It's a good episode. I want to see Eren and Levi ASAP though! |
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| "Do we not have any titans with wings?" If this is not foreshadowing I don't know what is lol. I don't know how a winged titan would work or how it would make sense in the plot, but I definitely think this is some heavy foreshadowing. "If I may, general? Requesting commission to give counsel." - Zeke Zeke is such a dog for Marley in this scene. I don't know what his intentions are or what his position is amidst all this crap, but right now it's either his acting is way over the top or he is that subservient. His discussion with Colt and the rest of the warriors in his room raise some questions though. I'm thinking he isn't aligned with Marley, neither is he aligned with the Paradis. Maybe he wants the power of the Founding Titan for himself? The reason he said that he'll come back to rescue Eren may be none other than manipulating Eren. But then again, he only has one year. What could he achieve in that one year? I don't think Zeke's big secret is how he wipes his butt lmao. He definitely knows he is a royal. After all, that was the reason Grisha and Dina made him join the Warrior program. He is doing a good job keeping it a secret I'll give him that. Back to his big secret, I think or at least would like to think, he played that off as it was a joke because he knows somebody is always listening in on them. And who pops out of nowhere right then? Magath. And what about the sunken ships and the whole more than one titan thing? Is he saying that it couldn't be just Eren and the Colossal Titan's doing? I'm thinking Annie's in on this as well. Or it could be that one of our main cast got her power. I'm saying this because, in the trailer, we see Armin confronting Annie in her hardening with his old haircut. So, something definitely happened before the time skip. Then we see Zeke having a Levi flashback which beautifully transitions to Mikasa haunting Reiner's dreams. He wakes up scared crying "Wait" in fear. The word he says when the 104th stick all the Thunder Spears in his nape. I don't know if this is intentional. Reiner's hand covering half of his face to show he has a split personality. If it's not intentional, I like to think it is lol. Also, I would assume the weight of this mission affected the young warriors heavily. We actually get something that shows their suffering in the past seasons. Berthold saying "Do you think anyone would want to do this?" and "Somebody... Please, find us." Reiner saying "We were kids. We didn't know anything back then." These lines hit hella different after this episode. Also, are you telling me that Berthold's weird sleeping poses are because this poor little kid was having nightmares about this wicked, screwed up mission? I legit got chills thinking about that. There was also something similar to this with Annie. Didn't hitch say she looked scary in her sleep so nobody dared to wake her up? Was that because Annie was having nightmares as well? What the actual..??? |
| Pretty well-done episode, I enjoyed the atmosphere the most. They really nailed the lengthy conversations since I didn't feel bored in any way. The color usage is pretty good as well, with some good shots that reflect the character's expressions that are also backed up by spectacular background art. Sound is also spot on. Character design can be a bit more consistent but not a big deal. Overall a good watch, I can see Mappa has put a lot of effort into this and hope they'll maintain the heat till the end. |
| Boring episode with some awful use of rotoscope. What a masterpiece fam. |
| Most of them are hating on the animation but I find it so beautiful especially Udo's dramatic scene, I loved that part. Also the scene where Gabi was excitedly sharing stories with her family. I got that nostalgic feeling when the old ost played in that meeting at the beginning. Most of the ost is new but it goes well with this arc. I think they cut the funniest part where I feel sad for the anime onlys... |
| Really interesting episode. It had way less action than the previous one, but presented interesting scenes showing both Erdian soldiers and civilians. I liked how this episode was focused on showing Marley that has been in war for sever years. It its mission was to be a world building episode, then at least for me the mission was accomplished. Some other "special titans" (I forgot what was the name of those nine titans with exceptional powers, lol) appeared on their human forms. As for other characters, I like Falco. He is talented for sure and seems to be a good guy. Personally I didn't like Gabi. Many fans, from what I noticed, were hyped to see her. I find her annoying and unlikeable. I found the animation weird. Sometimes it looked really cool and dynamic, while some random scenes looked awkwardly bad (like that one with Udo getting nervous that some people also mentioned in this thread before), as if they had less frames per second. Apart from that this episode looked great. |
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| I miss the main cast, but I'm starting to like these news characters. The scene with Reiner and his family was hilarious, worst liar ever. Looks like Eren and Armin have been destroying all ships that Marley sent to the island. |
| This episode was pretty interesting, but then there were some scenes where the animation felt very unnatural and natural at the same time. Weird. Anyways its getting me hyped for the future events........ |
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| I guess they really forgot how to make a great opening after the last one, this one probably won't grow on me. So Ymir is dead, huh? Time to read her story in the wiki then, since there were always things in her past that I did not quite understand. It's weird watching an episode in which you just want every character on-screen to die, takes away from the enjoyment a lot. Seems like next episode will be completely about Marley again though -_-, |
| I was touched when the warrior return home,damn that scene make me wanna cry so hard,war is such a terrible thing เฒฅ_เฒฅ |
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| I didn't like much the animation, it looked so weird... But it's fine. The one that's not fine for me is the scene when Reiner was telling a summary of the people in Paradis to his family. In manga, they flashes the scene he's talking about, showing his memory of them (where they are smiling, meaning it's clear to Reiner that they are not evil). I looked forward so much to that scene cause after introducing a lot of new characters, that will be the first time that the viewers will get a glimpse of the familiar characters. Plus, my sis didn't figure out most of the people he was talking about (because they didn't flash the scenes like what the manga did) which took away the nostalgic feeling. I was disappointed when they just settled with the frames zooming in on Reiner talking seriously about his experience. |
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| Idk why everyone praises the shit out of MAPPA- they can do some good animation, but the random choppy scenes throw off the whole thing- when Reiner and those kids were talking is an example- they made that one kid make a whole bunch of unnecessary movements with like no in between animation Here's an example of what I'm afraid of |
gekojayDec 17, 2020 8:09 AM
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