| It's come to the point that if you even so much as remotely say it's a good place, you get two replies labeling you the W word. On the other hand, devaluing it to make it sound like some third world African country nets you the upvotes and likes. Let's not forget the constant mentioning of WW2 and war crimes no matter how irrelevant it is to the conversation. How did it come to this? Is it because 4chan's weeb bullying culture has seeped into mainstream internet that it has become expected discourse? Is genuine admiration for Japan generating trigger flags that incite them to put the weebs into their place? What do you think? |
| I wish Cowboy Bebop never existed. |
| Hating does not make you look cool and nobody think you look cool in the internet. |
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Kaiser-chan said: Hating does not make you look cool and nobody think you look cool in the internet. Being a nihilist gets you "based" points tho. |
| I wish Cowboy Bebop never existed. |
| I never seen anyone hating on Japan in the internet. |
| It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person. |
| It could be because of adult japanese animations that trigger some hate to Japan or weird stuff and idea Japan came with. we never know. About weebs, well I don't think people hate Japan just because of weebs. People would probably hate weebs directly. And I never heard about the trend of hating Japan is cool so far o.o |
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| I've like gorochu have never seen anybody hate on Japan, now have I've seen someone make fun of Japan but anything considered hating I wouldn't say. |
Swagernator said: God damn, another gay thread upon us. |
| Thanks to Japan I figured out what to do with my leftover refrigerated pork loin. Instead of microwaving it, instead... instead I will hand shred it and boil it in some Maru-chan beef ramen. Also add more black pepper. No real idea what the actual fuck I am doing, so I boiled it for about five minutes, then I let it simmer for about five minutes. Drained the water (always leave enough for adding the spice packets and a soupy lower half, my personal preference), added stuff and more black pepper. Mmmmmmm. |
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| Hating on a country with over 100 million people is kinda idiotic. Saying you like Japan or its people does not mean you’re excusing them of war crimes from over half a century ago. The Ally powers or other Axis powers would never commit war crimes, right? But yes, Japan arguably committed the most and worst war crimes. Hating on a countries government, political system and past actions is totally cool, hating on a countries current people is not cool. |
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| Usually boils down to a "muh grandpapy fought dem japs in WWII so fuck japan" or an irrational hatred of anything that isn't American because muh American exceptionalism. |
| “Loddfafnir, listen to my counsel: You will fare well if you follow it, It will help you much if you heed it. If aware that another is wicked, say so: Make no truce or treaty with foes.” - Havamal 127 |
| Nah I'm sorry but I like Japan quite a lot but whenever I say people saying how great is is compared to other countries my weeb alert system started sounding off lmao The Japanese truly did worse than the Nazi's and I believe it's extremely disturbing that for some reason when people think back on "what bad happened in WW2?" it always jumps to the Nazi's despite there being a even worse elephant in the room lmao Although I like to refer to that as the Imperial Japanese and not the Japanese, Japan and it's people are almost a completely different nationality at this point compared to what came before the US occupation and while I'm sure there are still some radicals out there in Japan that still have sentiment for the ways of the Imperial Japanese I think that era has died almost entirely. All I can think of when it comes to Japan compared to other countries is this: Great transport [as long as you don't drive] Extremely clean [From what I've seen the cleanliness of Japan makes it look something right out of a movie set] Not a "truly" dangerous place [Stuff like muggings, robberies, occasional killings are a part of the package when it comes to civilization and Japan is definitely not a dangerous place.] Freedom of expression in media/good mindset when it comes to work ethic [Although I do have issues with their collective mindset, while they're good workers the idea of underplaying your achievements and the avoidance of individuality is something I'm not fond of at all]. And this ones a bit of a personal preference but... Good food [I love Japanese food almost as much as I love Mexican food, so of course a country full of sushi, ramen and other dishes is a paradise]. |
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Sawilagar said: Sounds like an echo chamber mate. I'm extremely patriotic about America and despite Japan being literally worse than the Nazi's I still understand their mindset and what led them to that point and also respect the great strives made to enhance their country to what it is today after US occupation.Usually boils down to a "muh grandpapy fought dem japs in WWII so fuck japan" or an irrational hatred of anything that isn't American because muh American exceptionalism. The majority of Americans have no clue what the Japanese did let alone have hatred for them, the true acts of the Japanese is basically forgotten history at this point unless you go out of your way to learn it. |
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| Japan is the best damn country. Every day I'm only more convinced. |
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Cneq said: Sawilagar said: Sounds like an echo chamber mate. I'm extremely patriotic about America and despite Japan being literally worse than the Nazi's I still understand their mindset and what led them to that point and also respect the great strives made to enhance their country to what it is today after US occupation.Usually boils down to a "muh grandpapy fought dem japs in WWII so fuck japan" or an irrational hatred of anything that isn't American because muh American exceptionalism. The majority of Americans have no clue what the Japanese did let alone have hatred for them, the true acts of the Japanese is basically forgotten history at this point unless you go out of your way to learn it. Well, if you're going to make this a contest on atrocities, the Turks and the Soviets have done much worse and hardly anyone gives them shit about it because they were history's "winners." And no, it's not forgotten especially if you're a Chinese or Korean American. Your grandparents will instill it on you in one form or another. |
| I wish Cowboy Bebop never existed. |
Ahegyao said: In terms of WW2 the soviets and turks have nothing on the Japanese lmao Cneq said: Sounds like an echo chamber mate. I'm extremely patriotic about America and despite Japan being literally worse than the Nazi's I still understand their mindset and what led them to that point and also respect the great strives made to enhance their country to what it is today after US occupation. The majority of Americans have no clue what the Japanese did let alone have hatred for them, the true acts of the Japanese is basically forgotten history at this point unless you go out of your way to learn it. Well, if you're going to make this a contest on atrocities, the Turks and the Soviets have done much worse and hardly anyone gives them shit about it because they were history's "winners." And no, it's not forgotten especially if you're a Chinese or Korean American. Your grandparents will instill it on you in one form or another. These people literally took POW's from allied countries to be used in live experimentation in their Universities, they killed millions of Chinese and most likely committed atrocities like Nanjing way more than just once, they also treated POW's in completely inhuman ways, which could be described as even worse than the Nazi's because the Japanese saw surrender as the ultimate sin and therefore any POW who was "weak" enough to surrender would receive their full hatred. The Japanese also brainwashed their military into the kamikaze attacks, by giving them no other choice because their families would be shamed and given treatment of people less than human, of course there were still some that did it out of national pride but a large amount of this attacks was purely bred from fear or completele brainwashing. The Japanese also made their entire population into hostages and to bear the brunt of the US's bombings and the future use of nuclear weapons. They were given multiple warnings and even after one nuke was dropped they refused to surrender despite the cost of their own people, this outright radical view of national pride went so far that tons of Japanese committed mass suicide after the emperor gave the signal for surrender [and there was also infighting against this and if they had managed to silent hirohito we could've seen a truly nasty future]. That may seem like it could've been avoided if the allies made landfall but the Japanese promised to execute hundreds of thousands of allied and Chinese POW's if allies made landfall and the estimated death's of a land invasion of the Japanese mainland would've resulted in more than the entirety of all WW2 deaths combined. They gave literally no choice and the people at top are to blame for all the Japanese they took hostage instead of realizing defeat was assured. Of course the Nazi's were pretty similar when it comes to the genocide, experimentation and all that but in terms of brutality and the mindset of the Japanese it was truly atrocious. These people literally caused ALL of this because they were stubborn, got high off of winning against the Russians and Chinese and become delusional that they could take on the world. |
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IpreferEcchi said: Japan is the best damn country. Every day I'm only more convinced. Yeah, 60 hours work week, small house space and corrupted government would like a talk with you |
In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful. | You know what I hate the most? People who aren't free. They're no more than cattle. |
Takamura-sama said: IpreferEcchi said: Japan is the best damn country. Every day I'm only more convinced. Yeah, 60 hours work week, small house space and corrupted government would like a talk with you They are experimenting with one less day of work there now, noob. Other countries ain't. Their free market is superior to any other country, also. |
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Cneq said: Ahegyao said: In terms of WW2 the soviets and turks have nothing on the Japanese lmao Well, if you're going to make this a contest on atrocities, the Turks and the Soviets have done much worse and hardly anyone gives them shit about it because they were history's "winners." And no, it's not forgotten especially if you're a Chinese or Korean American. Your grandparents will instill it on you in one form or another. These people literally took POW's from allied countries to be used in live experimentation in their Universities, they killed millions of Chinese and most likely committed atrocities like Nanjing way more than just once, they also treated POW's in completely inhuman ways, which could be described as even worse than the Nazi's because the Japanese saw surrender as the ultimate sin and therefore any POW who was "weak" enough to surrender would receive their full hatred. The Japanese also brainwashed their military into the kamikaze attacks, by giving them no other choice because their families would be shamed and given treatment of people less than human, of course there were still some that did it out of national pride but a large amount of this attacks was purely bred from fear or completele brainwashing. The Japanese also made their entire population into hostages and to bear the brunt of the US's bombings and the future use of nuclear weapons. They were given multiple warnings and even after one nuke was dropped they refused to surrender despite the cost of their own people, this outright radical view of national pride went so far that tons of Japanese committed mass suicide after the emperor gave the signal for surrender [and there was also infighting against this and if they had managed to silent hirohito we could've seen a truly nasty future]. That may seem like it could've been avoided if the allies made landfall but the Japanese promised to execute hundreds of thousands of allied and Chinese POW's if allies made landfall and the estimated death's of a land invasion of the Japanese mainland would've resulted in more than the entirety of all WW2 deaths combined. They gave literally no choice and the people at top are to blame for all the Japanese they took hostage instead of realizing defeat was assured. Of course the Nazi's were pretty similar when it comes to the genocide, experimentation and all that but in terms of brutality and the mindset of the Japanese it was truly atrocious. These people literally caused ALL of this because they were stubborn, got high off of winning against the Russians and Chinese and become delusional that they could take on the world. It's like I'm talking to a Chinese on Sina Weibo or a Korean in Ilbe. I'm not ignoring what Imperial Japan has done, but to single them out as the biggest "evil" in the history of mankind is complete exaggeration. In my mind, everyone is capable of committing atrocities. It doesn't matter where they come from. There's no point trying to gauge who did worse. And quite frankly posts like yours are the poster child of what I am critiquing about. Digging up dirt on a generally liked country for the purpose of "waking up" weebs. |
| I wish Cowboy Bebop never existed. |
| Also, the amount of talent they have concentrated in one place is astronomical. Just take a look at pixiv. No other country has produced so many great artists. |
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deg said: Anti-immigration doesn't equal xenophobia and wanting to preserve your own culture has nothing to do with wanting to spread that culture around the world by force like the Nazi's did. There's a lot of people who lean right that also have left wing beliefs such as pro-gay marriage, belief of the value of diversity and equality for all, no matter your race/gender.Cneq said: No one who leans right is pro Imperial Japan, that's the same fake news that anyone who's right wing is a Nazi. i mean with the anti-immigration and xenophobia or even culture purity stuff that the white nationalists want The diversity and equality that people are usually preaching about nowadays is a complete sham and is not grounded in reality. People are doing things such as fighting for equality by literally making situation unequal for others, they're making inequality to promote equality and some goes for diversity, people are arguing for diversity while simultaneously ignoring the true reason why diversity is a strength and making cultures completely collapse by implementing illogical forced diversity. Most people who lean right hold values that lie in the very middle of both sides. |
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| Why the fuck do y'all always gotta jump to muh world war muh war crimes at every possible opportunity? Japan had a huge competitive edge on US domestic manufacturing, especially of technical goods and cars from the 60s through the 80s which was effectively the China of those days, much like protectionists see China today in relation to trade. Japanese incursion into the NA domestic markets scared people because the Japanese both produced things at reasonable prices (ie lower than domestic competition) while also retaining the quality that Japan is now renowned for as a highly industrious and impeccable people. Imagine any dollar store Chinese brand but at the level of quality as a Sony, Toshiba, or Sanyo. The anti-Japanese tariffs in the 80s was a huge deal back then, and all of this played a role in reigniting some minor anti-Japanese rhetoric primarily in the more right wing nationalistic circles. Funny how they basically damned us to a far worse timeline where we're now tethered to the PRC instead of a far more reasonable and amenable Japan. |
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| It's likely from Americans as the source. America is rampant with American exceptionalism and political tinged xenophobia. If your a certain foreigner or foreign country there are no shortage of Americans (mainly conservatives) that will proudly talk shit about you/it because they are so brainwashed and uneducated in foreign affairs any past enemy of the US is eternally a US enemy at least on a cultural and political level. Then of course there also is cultural clashes where there is disapproval of the kinkiness of Japan. |
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Ahegyao said: What you're saying has no value in what I'm saying, where people are from has nothing to do with what I'm saying at all and the Japan of today isn't the Japan of WW2 so digging up "dirt" on a country that has barely anything to do with the old Japanese makes zero sense. Cneq said: In terms of WW2 the soviets and turks have nothing on the Japanese lmao These people literally took POW's from allied countries to be used in live experimentation in their Universities, they killed millions of Chinese and most likely committed atrocities like Nanjing way more than just once, they also treated POW's in completely inhuman ways, which could be described as even worse than the Nazi's because the Japanese saw surrender as the ultimate sin and therefore any POW who was "weak" enough to surrender would receive their full hatred. The Japanese also brainwashed their military into the kamikaze attacks, by giving them no other choice because their families would be shamed and given treatment of people less than human, of course there were still some that did it out of national pride but a large amount of this attacks was purely bred from fear or completele brainwashing. The Japanese also made their entire population into hostages and to bear the brunt of the US's bombings and the future use of nuclear weapons. They were given multiple warnings and even after one nuke was dropped they refused to surrender despite the cost of their own people, this outright radical view of national pride went so far that tons of Japanese committed mass suicide after the emperor gave the signal for surrender [and there was also infighting against this and if they had managed to silent hirohito we could've seen a truly nasty future]. That may seem like it could've been avoided if the allies made landfall but the Japanese promised to execute hundreds of thousands of allied and Chinese POW's if allies made landfall and the estimated death's of a land invasion of the Japanese mainland would've resulted in more than the entirety of all WW2 deaths combined. They gave literally no choice and the people at top are to blame for all the Japanese they took hostage instead of realizing defeat was assured. Of course the Nazi's were pretty similar when it comes to the genocide, experimentation and all that but in terms of brutality and the mindset of the Japanese it was truly atrocious. These people literally caused ALL of this because they were stubborn, got high off of winning against the Russians and Chinese and become delusional that they could take on the world. It's like I'm talking to a Chinese on Sina Weibo or a Korean in Ilbe. I'm not ignoring what Imperial Japan has done, but to single them out as the biggest "evil" in the history of mankind is complete exaggeration. In my mind, everyone is capable of committing atrocities. It doesn't matter where they come from. There's no point trying to gauge who did worse. And quite frankly posts like yours are the poster child of what I am critiquing about. Digging up dirt on a generally liked country for the purpose of "waking up" weebs. Atrocities should be gauged and ALL atrocities should be spoken about for centuries to come to ensure those mistakes aren't repeated, we should look into these things by comparing them, digging into the find details, the mindsets, the reasons, the geographical reasons and everything in between to understand why these things happened, since it's very clear to see why they did when you do your research. Japan committed these acts for a very different reason than the Nazi's when it comes down to it and same goes for a lot of other nations who have done terrible things, sure every human being is capable but there is valuing in understand why they happened and how, dismissing it by saying "everyone is capable of committing atrocities is" is beyond the point and running away from history. And no if you think people who critique Imperial Japan because they have a problem with the current day Japan that's completely projection and not what most people are trying to say. Like I said I love modern day Japan but since another one of my favorite hobbies is learning about history it's hard not to get into this territory when people try to make Japan out to being "great" despite not even getting into the very foundation of what prompted them to turn into a "great" country to begin with. They achieved where they are today precisely because of their absolute failure and the atrocities they committed, to avoid discussion about that despite it being tantamount to the current state of Japan is a bit silly and doesn't due them anything justice as a country. I'd say the transformation into an economical and technological hub is quite the redemption story and if anything the discussion about their past and how they became what they are today would be viewed as a positive, not a critique at all. |
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traed said: Yet you yourself are probably uneducated about Japan, the US and other allied and axis powers lol The truth of the situation of Japan and everything in between is out there for you to analyze and has nothing to do with "xenophobia' or "american exceptionalism".It's likely from Americans as the source. America is rampant with American exceptionalism and political tinged xenophobia. If your a certain foreigner or foreign country there are no shortage of Americans (mainly conservatives) that will proudly talk shit about you/it because they are so brainwashed and uneducated in foreign affairs any past enemy of the US is eternally a US enemy at least on a cultural and political level. Then of course there also is cultural clashes where there is disapproval of the kinkiness of Japan. |
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Cneq said: Ahegyao said: What you're saying has no value in what I'm saying, where people are from has nothing to do with what I'm saying at all and the Japan of today isn't the Japan of WW2 so digging up "dirt" on a country that has barely anything to do with the old Japanese makes zero sense. It's like I'm talking to a Chinese on Sina Weibo or a Korean in Ilbe. I'm not ignoring what Imperial Japan has done, but to single them out as the biggest "evil" in the history of mankind is complete exaggeration. In my mind, everyone is capable of committing atrocities. It doesn't matter where they come from. There's no point trying to gauge who did worse. And quite frankly posts like yours are the poster child of what I am critiquing about. Digging up dirt on a generally liked country for the purpose of "waking up" weebs. Atrocities should be gauged and ALL atrocities should be spoken about for centuries to come to ensure those mistakes aren't repeated, we should look into these things by comparing them, digging into the find details, the mindsets, the reasons, the geographical reasons and everything in between to understand why these things happened, since it's very clear to see why they did when you do your research. Japan committed these acts for a very different reason than the Nazi's when it comes down to it and same goes for a lot of other nations who have done terrible things, sure every human being is capable but there is valuing in understand why they happened and how, dismissing it by saying "everyone is capable of committing atrocities is" is beyond the point and running away from history. And no if you think people who critique Imperial Japan because they have a problem with the current day Japan that's completely projection and not what most people are trying to say. Like I said I love modern day Japan but since another one of my favorite hobbies is learning about history it's hard not to get into this territory when people try to make Japan out to being "great" despite not even getting into the very foundation of what prompted them to turn into a "great" country to begin with. They achieved where they are today precisely because of their absolute failure and the atrocities they committed, to avoid discussion about that despite it being tantamount to the current state of Japan is a bit silly and doesn't due them anything justice as a country. I'd say the transformation into an economical and technological hub is quite the redemption story and if anything the discussion about their past and how they became what they are today would be viewed as a positive, not a critique at all. Well, that's all fine and dandy but not everyone is like you who has to constantly look back on the mistakes. No normal person in the US will say, "our country became great because of MANIFEST DESTINY and SLAVERY" just as much as no one in Japan will declare their greatness was because of their "IMPERIALISM." Let's focus on the present because in all honesty none of that will ever happen again in the modern world short of a complete wipe of civilization. No, it's not projection. It's just the irrelevancy of it all that makes it suspect. Needless pedantry just to come off as the "based" one. I notice this attitude more when it comes to Japan and that's the crux of the matter. I won't delve any further to anything else beyond that. |
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Ahegyao said: Lmao how is it irrelevant? I literally just said Japan wouldn't be the same as it is today without the path they went down in WW2 and that means anime and everything that Japan is known for today also has a chance of never existing or reaching the state it is in today, it's literally directly relevant to the discussion you're talking about. Cneq said: What you're saying has no value in what I'm saying, where people are from has nothing to do with what I'm saying at all and the Japan of today isn't the Japan of WW2 so digging up "dirt" on a country that has barely anything to do with the old Japanese makes zero sense. Atrocities should be gauged and ALL atrocities should be spoken about for centuries to come to ensure those mistakes aren't repeated, we should look into these things by comparing them, digging into the find details, the mindsets, the reasons, the geographical reasons and everything in between to understand why these things happened, since it's very clear to see why they did when you do your research. Japan committed these acts for a very different reason than the Nazi's when it comes down to it and same goes for a lot of other nations who have done terrible things, sure every human being is capable but there is valuing in understand why they happened and how, dismissing it by saying "everyone is capable of committing atrocities is" is beyond the point and running away from history. And no if you think people who critique Imperial Japan because they have a problem with the current day Japan that's completely projection and not what most people are trying to say. Like I said I love modern day Japan but since another one of my favorite hobbies is learning about history it's hard not to get into this territory when people try to make Japan out to being "great" despite not even getting into the very foundation of what prompted them to turn into a "great" country to begin with. They achieved where they are today precisely because of their absolute failure and the atrocities they committed, to avoid discussion about that despite it being tantamount to the current state of Japan is a bit silly and doesn't due them anything justice as a country. I'd say the transformation into an economical and technological hub is quite the redemption story and if anything the discussion about their past and how they became what they are today would be viewed as a positive, not a critique at all. Well, that's all fine and dandy but not everyone is like you who has to constantly look back on the mistakes. No normal person in the US will say, "our country became great because of MANIFEST DESTINY and SLAVERY" just as much as no one in Japan will declare their greatness was because of their "IMPERIALISM." Let's focus on the present because in all honesty none of that will ever happen in the modern world short of a complete wipe of civilization. No, it's not projection. It's just the irrelevancy of it all that makes it suspect. Needless pedantry just to come off as the "based" one. I notice this attitude more when it comes to Japan and that's the crux of the matter. I won't delve any further to anything else beyond that. If you can't get pass the fact that some of these people you talk to are truly saying the truth and in fact aren't dissing on Japan at all but are talking about why it's important to remember these things, that may mean you're running from the truth and you won't ever change your mind lmao Like for example I wouldn't of even replied to this thread if you didn't mention their war crimes because by doing so you made it sound like they're somehow irrelevant which is not the case, and you still seem to believe that. So for me coming here was not about weebs or modern day Japan but a concern for history and that in itself has nothing to do with your perception that people who talk about Japan's faults are "anti-japan". Everyone needs to look back at their mistakes and reflect, that is literally one of the main reasons humanity writes down our history to begin with. If people are starting to lose sight of why that it's important that's a good sign people are being ignorant and pampered by prosperity and peace which will surely come crumbling down the more people become naive. The present is a direct result of the past and if you stay in the present all of the time you're just as naive as a person who lives in the past, people need to understand both and reflect to truly understand everything. Your exact mindset is the reason something like this will happen again lmao When people start thinking "oh in all honesty none of that will happen again! surely!" that's when people forget about history and end up repeating the same mistakes yet again. It's completely hilarious, nothing in the future is assured and with a mindset such as that the odds veer vastly in the direction of it happening again if everyone decides to bury their head in the present and forget about what even got them there in the first place. |
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Cneq said: Ahegyao said: Lmao how is it irrelevant? I literally just said Japan wouldn't be the same as it is today without the path they went down in WW2 and that means anime and everything that Japan is known for today also has a chance of never existing or reaching the state it is in today, it's literally directly relevant to the discussion you're talking about. Well, that's all fine and dandy but not everyone is like you who has to constantly look back on the mistakes. No normal person in the US will say, "our country became great because of MANIFEST DESTINY and SLAVERY" just as much as no one in Japan will declare their greatness was because of their "IMPERIALISM." Let's focus on the present because in all honesty none of that will ever happen in the modern world short of a complete wipe of civilization. No, it's not projection. It's just the irrelevancy of it all that makes it suspect. Needless pedantry just to come off as the "based" one. I notice this attitude more when it comes to Japan and that's the crux of the matter. I won't delve any further to anything else beyond that. If you can't get pass the fact that some of these people you talk to are truly saying the truth and in fact aren't dissing on Japan at all but are talking about why it's important to remember these things, that may mean you're running from the truth and you won't ever change your mind lmao Like for example I wouldn't of even replied to this thread if you didn't mention their war crimes because by doing so you made it sound like they're somehow irrelevant which is not the case, and you still seem to believe that. So for me coming here was not about weebs or modern day Japan but a concern for history and that in itself has nothing to do with your perception that people who talk about Japan's faults are "anti-japan". Everyone needs to look back at their mistakes and reflect, that is literally one of the main reasons humanity writes down our history to begin with. If people are starting to lose sight of why that it's important that's a good sign people are being ignorant and pampered by prosperity and peace which will surely come crumbling down the more people become naive. The present is a direct result of the past and if you stay in the present all of the time you're just as naive as a person who lives in the past, people need to understand both and reflect to truly understand everything. Your exact mindset is the reason something like this will happen again lmao When people start thinking "oh in all honesty none of that will happen again! surely!" that's when people forget about history and end up repeating the same mistakes yet again. It's completely hilarious, nothing in the future is assured and with a mindset such as that the odds veer vastly in the direction of it happening again if everyone decides to bury their head in the present and forget about what even got them there in the first place. I brought it up because a hot topic like this is what's used as ammo to put down anyone praising Japan. As if it's a kneejerk reaction to form some sort of "equalizer" to the perceived over-positivity. The shock factor of revealing "true" Japan via revealing its ugliness. It's difficult to buy your claimed truth when history has always suffered from biases. You can't just come here and say, "Japan did the most evil crimes in the world" and not expect to be questioned for starters. Relativistic as it seems, it's not totally black and white. If you're going to talk to a Japanese about their history, are you going to tell them they were bad and they should feel bad? Nothing constructive will come out of it as much as you believe that reflection will lead to prevention. You're being too much of a doomposter with your assumption that I have my head in the sand. FYI, I also think history is important, but when it's used as a means to demean and shame, then it no longer serves its purpose to educate. That's where I'm trying to get at when War Crimes are being mentioned. Rhetoric to seemingly "humble" those who he thinks live in a fantasy. |
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Ahegyao said: I literally just said the Japanese and how they got back on their feet was admirable and something for them to be proud of and now you're talking about me telling them "they were bad and should feel bad" and talking about negative history can only be used in a way to demean and shame? I literally said nothing about either of those things. Reflection is the main tool for prevention and positive reinforcement that they're doing the right thing now strengthens that even further. Cneq said: Lmao how is it irrelevant? I literally just said Japan wouldn't be the same as it is today without the path they went down in WW2 and that means anime and everything that Japan is known for today also has a chance of never existing or reaching the state it is in today, it's literally directly relevant to the discussion you're talking about. If you can't get pass the fact that some of these people you talk to are truly saying the truth and in fact aren't dissing on Japan at all but are talking about why it's important to remember these things, that may mean you're running from the truth and you won't ever change your mind lmao Like for example I wouldn't of even replied to this thread if you didn't mention their war crimes because by doing so you made it sound like they're somehow irrelevant which is not the case, and you still seem to believe that. So for me coming here was not about weebs or modern day Japan but a concern for history and that in itself has nothing to do with your perception that people who talk about Japan's faults are "anti-japan". Everyone needs to look back at their mistakes and reflect, that is literally one of the main reasons humanity writes down our history to begin with. If people are starting to lose sight of why that it's important that's a good sign people are being ignorant and pampered by prosperity and peace which will surely come crumbling down the more people become naive. The present is a direct result of the past and if you stay in the present all of the time you're just as naive as a person who lives in the past, people need to understand both and reflect to truly understand everything. Your exact mindset is the reason something like this will happen again lmao When people start thinking "oh in all honesty none of that will happen again! surely!" that's when people forget about history and end up repeating the same mistakes yet again. It's completely hilarious, nothing in the future is assured and with a mindset such as that the odds veer vastly in the direction of it happening again if everyone decides to bury their head in the present and forget about what even got them there in the first place. I brought it up because a hot topic like this is what's used as ammo to put down anyone praising Japan. As if it's a kneejerk reaction to form some sort of "equalizer" to the perceived over-positivity. The shock factor of revealing "true" Japan via revealing its ugliness. It's difficult to buy your claimed truth when history has always suffered from biases. You can't just come here and say, "Japan did the most evil crimes in the world" and not expect to be questioned for starters. Relativistic as it seems, it's not totally black and white. If you're going to talk to a Japanese about their history, are you going to tell them they were bad and they should feel bad? Nothing constructive will come out of it as much as you believe that reflection will lead to prevention. You're being too much of a doomposter with your assumption that I have my head in the sand. FYI, I also think history is important, but when it's used as a means to demean and shame, then it no longer serves its purpose to educate. That's where I'm trying to get at when War Crimes are being mentioned. Nor did I say Japan "did the most evil crimes in the world" that's completely putting words into my mouth and is completely straying from the conversation. I simply said they were just as bad if not worse than the Nazi's and that the turks and soviets can't compare to either of those. That much can be deduced purely from history and there is no bias involved, I look into my history from each point of view and in my personal opinion it's all really bleak seeing how each side views things and I think all parties involved have suffered some pretty bad trauma which you can still feel in their behaviour today [For obvious example the Japanese have become completely docile, soft spoken and less prideful compared to the honor bound, ambitious, ruthless and courageous people of Imperial Japan]. However as much as I try to spin a sob story on it and see how ironic and pitiful their fate actually is doesn't change the fate of what they did and the same goes for every other nation, the facts are there regardless of where you stand emotionally. For example despite being extremely patriotic to the US I think the type of stuff they've done from the Bay of Pigs failure [and planning false flag attacks to prompt kennedy to invade] to the entire invasion of Iraq [and all involvement in the middle east since then] and also some of the disgusting and whack stuff the CIA has done to people from agent orange in Vietnam to drugging civies with LSD or even the more weird ass shit the US has done such as Operation Wandering Soul and that's just the stuff that has been declassified so far. I'm sure in another 30 years or so once the Iraq invasion and all else surrounding the middle east more stuff will be released showing what other whacky shenanigans the US has done to it's own people and the people of other nations. However I still believe all atrocities are not equal and there is still a scale of cruelty and crimes against humanity that varies between what each nation has done, I think it's naive to think "oh all bad things are bad and all bad things are just as bad as the other bad thing waaaa" that's pure idealistic bs and not something I will accept no matter what you tell me. And the entire purpose of history is not to shame or demean and it's core purpose is prevention, if you think acknowledging the ugly side of the past and reality is "mean' to those involved you're extremely ignorant and I bet those very people you believe you're trying to "not be mean to" feel even worse because being treated like that makes them feel like they do in fact have something to be ashamed of when in reality they have nothing to be ashamed of. The idealistic spew of "being nice to everyone yada yada happy happy" completely backfires when it's used by people who are completely naive about others circumstances and history and makes those people truly offended and like they're being looked down upon and mocked. And no I'm not being a "doomposter" about anything, I truly believe your head is in the sand if you have any issues with what I'm saying [although feel free to tell me what you find wrong and I'll explain it to you]. |
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Cneq said: However I still believe all atrocities are not equal and there is still a scale of cruelty and crimes against humanity that varies between what each nation has done, I think it's naive to think "oh all bad things are bad and all bad things are just as bad as the other bad thing waaaa" that's pure idealistic bs and not something I will accept no matter what you tell me. And the entire purpose of history is not to shame or demean and it's core purpose is prevention, if you think acknowledging the ugly side of the past and reality is "mean' to those involved you're extremely ignorant and I bet those very people you believe you're trying to "not be mean to" feel even worse because being treated like that makes them feel like they do in fact have something to be ashamed of when in reality they have nothing to be ashamed of. The idealistic spew of "being nice to everyone yada yada happy happy" completely backfires when it's used by people who are completely naive about others circumstances and history and makes those people truly offended and like they're being looked down upon and mocked. And no I'm not being a "doomposter" about anything, I truly believe your head is in the sand if you have any issues with what I'm saying [although feel free to tell me what you find wrong and I'll explain it to you]. I don't think you're understanding where I'm getting at. I mean the ones who use history in bad faith to make Japanophiles look like fools. There is no underlying intention there to give positive reinforcement. Essentially trolling to rile people up through contrarianism. Reread my original post without getting your "weeb alarm" triggered next time. We could've avoided having blocks of text throw at each other, including that jab at me being some oblivious optimist, if you simply just did that. |
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Ahegyao said: Yeah of course but my entire response was that despite you thinking those people were trying to "make Japanophiles look like fools" in reality they were simply stating historical facts, which is what I was doing. So I told you to work on that instead of jumping to conclusions when people bring up relevant information when it comes to Japan. Cneq said: However I still believe all atrocities are not equal and there is still a scale of cruelty and crimes against humanity that varies between what each nation has done, I think it's naive to think "oh all bad things are bad and all bad things are just as bad as the other bad thing waaaa" that's pure idealistic bs and not something I will accept no matter what you tell me. And the entire purpose of history is not to shame or demean and it's core purpose is prevention, if you think acknowledging the ugly side of the past and reality is "mean' to those involved you're extremely ignorant and I bet those very people you believe you're trying to "not be mean to" feel even worse because being treated like that makes them feel like they do in fact have something to be ashamed of when in reality they have nothing to be ashamed of. The idealistic spew of "being nice to everyone yada yada happy happy" completely backfires when it's used by people who are completely naive about others circumstances and history and makes those people truly offended and like they're being looked down upon and mocked. And no I'm not being a "doomposter" about anything, I truly believe your head is in the sand if you have any issues with what I'm saying [although feel free to tell me what you find wrong and I'll explain it to you]. I don't think you're understanding where I'm getting at. I mean the ones who use history in bad faith to make Japanophiles look like fools. There is no underlying intention there to give positive reinforcement. Essentially trolling to rile people up through contrarianism. Reread my original post without getting your "weeb alarm" triggered next time. We could've avoided having blocks of text throw at each other, including that jab at me being some oblivious optimist, if you simply just did that. I've seen both sides of people actually inciting conflict and saying "oh japan did so and so how can you be a fan of such a country" and I've also seen people who simply throw out historical facts when someone underplays the history of something [which is what I did] yet you basically confused me with the complete opposite of what I was doing, so can you honestly say the people who you're talking about are truly trying to incite conflict? Like I've seen a lot of these debates on historical speeches of hirohito and on anime videos and there's always a mix of both of these type of people. |
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Cneq said: Ahegyao said: Yeah of course but my entire response was that despite you thinking those people were trying to "make Japanophiles look like fools" in reality they were simply stating historical facts, which is what I was doing. So I told you to work on that instead of jumping to conclusions when people bring up relevant information when it comes to Japan. I don't think you're understanding where I'm getting at. I mean the ones who use history in bad faith to make Japanophiles look like fools. There is no underlying intention there to give positive reinforcement. Essentially trolling to rile people up through contrarianism. Reread my original post without getting your "weeb alarm" triggered next time. We could've avoided having blocks of text throw at each other, including that jab at me being some oblivious optimist, if you simply just did that. I've seen both sides of people actually inciting conflict and saying "oh japan did so and so how can you be a fan of such a country" and I've also seen people who simply throw out historical facts when someone underplays the history of something [which is what I did] yet you basically confused me with the complete opposite of what I was doing, so can you honestly say the people who you're talking about are truly trying to incite conflict? Like I've seen a lot of these debates on historical speeches of hirohito and on anime videos and there's always a mix of both of these type of people. You sometimes can't tell because there are people that pretend to be on the "objective" side but then begin to lord over those who even dare to question them. Like let's be real here, it's much easier to trash on Japan and come off as the intellectual winner than it is to defend it. Hence why the perception that Japan lovers are low IQ degenerates who can only rely on pop culture to say something good about it. On the other hand, the haters can just throw in aging population, herbivore men, hikikomori, 2011 Tsunami and then that would be the end of it. |
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| how can this even become a thing? like how can you even possibly make a thread out of this? Baffling. And yeah hating is always cool. Only alphas are redpilled enough to throw some harsh wretched facts in your face. |
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| I really like Japan. I've visited it with my ex-boyfriend. We had a great time together. Would definitely visit again. I don't know about how other people think of Japan, though. Some people are just stupid tbh. I wonder how many people that hate Japan have actually been there. |
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| See those sound like people who think their opinions matter on the internet xD But no I don't think it makes them look cool. :( |
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123fendas said: I don't think it is considered cool by a significant amount of people, but I sure consider it cool. I love hating on Japan. Why do you consider it cool? Do you get a kick out of pissing people off like a type of Schadenfreude? |
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| Hating in general is quite the staple example of coolness. |
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| From what I've seen is that it's more of a hate on weebs as they do intend to be cringy. Every fanbase has their cringy fans but anime has a very wide audience and therefore a larger cringe base. This and the fact that most anime watchers tend to see themselves as, or be outsiders and are on the internet more, meaning others come in to contact with them more. On the note of the title? People hate Japan, thats fine, there's a countless number of people that hate America and you know what for good reason. Same with Japan, they were the allies enemies in WWII (there are still vets alive), they did some rather controversial things during their time, and they are still very xenophobic, not to mention they also have a very.... say eccentric modern culture. If there is someone that hates Japan because of anime? Then thats just dumb. |
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| Nope it's cool to hate Iran,China, Turkey, Israel , US , Iraq , Saudi Arabia and İndia. I never saw someone openly hating japan and getting support its exactly other way around it's cool to praise japan far as i see. Im not gonna deny there is some weebo haters taking it bit too far and hating japan but they are too few to consider. |
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