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| This episode and Red Riot Unbreakable has been the only two I have enjoyed in this season, which speaks volumes of how bad it has been. Also, how the fuck does Gentle, a 4 episodes filler guy, was better constructed as a character than Overhaul?. Horikoshi is kinda weird sometimes. |
| Bruh that was a sad ep. |
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| I don't really get the love for this episode that I'm seeing in these comments. How am I supposed to get invested in a fight with basically no stakes? I also find Gentle Criminal's reasons for becoming a villain to be pretty weak. You failed the hero exam and decided to become a villain because a classmate didn't recognize you? Seriously? Its like he's the kiddie version of Stain. I found this episode to be immensely boring and uninteresting. |
SithSteelMar 15, 2020 2:29 AM
| Damn that was really interesting. Gentle seems like an amazing character; I hope he sticks around. |
  We don't know what kind of people we truly are until the moment before our deaths. As death comes to embrace you, you will realise what you are. That's what death is, don't you think? ------------------------------------ Itachi Uchiha |
Kami_sama_ said: James-LastOmnic said: The main problem with Gentle is even if his ideals are somewhat pure and explained by his backstory such as Stain, he will be forgotten instantely right after this episode while Stain changed THE WHOLE UNIVERSE of My Hero Academia after his defeat. The contrast between this episode and next one will be unbearable as for me, I don't think those 8 episodes were also worth waiting for this, it had some feels but once again cliche + melodrama cannot reach the greatness of a Izuku against Shoto and mostly All Might Vs All for One. Your main problem with the fight is more of a positive than a negative. The whole point of Gentle's character is that he became a villain in attempt to fight his own inevitable irrelevancy and go down in history as one of the great villains, since society prevented him from becoming a great hero. But in the end he sacrifices his own dream and accepts the irrelevancy he was trying to escape for so long, so that he can save La Brava and the School Festival for Midoriya. P.S. This fight had four episodes of build up not eight. What? How did society cause this guy to become a villain? He wasn't "forced" into it by abusive authority figures or even manipulated into it by a mentor. His path to villainhood was solely the result of his own actions and failures. I also don't remember him giving a damn about the school festival. In fact, he specifically said, multiple times, that he didn't care about it. |
| I feel bad for both of them |
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| Gentle wasn't so gentle in this episode. |
| "The future is always blank. Only your willpower can leave footsteps there." "Ruling over death means ruling over life. Death is the climax of life. To have the best death, you must honor life." |
| im reminded again that "Hero" is in the title. Of course the villain doesn't win. Villain never wins. League of Jobbers forever. |
| And here I thought my disappointment for My Cringe Academia is already maxed out, La Brava's quirk is the biggest BS I've ever seen of this show lmao |
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| The author tried so hard to make me care about these villains but with pretty much cliche background. Also, La Brava quirk was so dumb. After the episode ended, I thought from now on things would get better, but remembered they are gonna make that festival. Can't wait for the cringe musical performance. Seriously, what happened to that MHA when you actually felt tension throughout the episode? Scenes like All for One showing up for the first time seems to be so distant from the reality of the show today. |
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| I actually felt pretty sad watching this ep. Gentle and La Brava both have a great back story. In short, the society they live in protected by hero ain't that great. Rather than hero as the best job everyone should pursuit for, the system (specifically toward bullying) need to be change to prevent downfall which creates villain. There are stereotype and discrimination. Literally, you won't ever get recognize if you commit crime unintentionally as shown in this ep. The society in this series would push you down and vandalize your house. What's worst is Deku is acting the same and look at the villian the same way which is kinda scary (similar to that of an obsessed yandere) the way the ep presented to us. Once a villain/criminal, that status stuck with them forever :/ My questions of the day: What's make someone a villain in this series? The crime they committed intentionally/unintentionally? Self-proclaimed as villain? |
Fuwa_sanMar 15, 2020 5:22 AM
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botomonogatari said: Its totally like I dont careComander-07 said: I was actually rooting for Gentle and La Brava here. But of course generic shounen MC wins. Though I have to say their reasoning was weak. "I will change society" turned into "I want a wikipedia page". Now for generic school festival. Im sure that one could just be skipped. Overall this could have been better if the story behind it was better, while Overhaul should have been better executed. It's almost as if you missed the point of this whole cour |
| "This emotion is mine alone. It is for Madoka alone." - Homura or how I would descripe Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica. |
| Am I the only one who felt Midoriya was the criminal here? The Gentlest Gentleman, and that backstory had me on tears.... º·(˚ ˃̣̣̥⌓˂̣̣̥ )‧º Well said my fellow Rita cult brother. |
| F in the chat for Gentle. I enjoyed this a lot more than the overhaul bs. |
| Gentle feels as if we will all end up like him, chasing a dream to only be crushed. perhaps the best example of reality. |
 Behold of my awesomeness~ controversial and/or sensitive topics likely devolve into the same repetitive, derogatory, abusive, and harassing comments can no longer be posted. But my feels. |
| Good fight animation, that's all for this season. |
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| People are saying that the past of Gentle and La Brava should be "worse" to justify they turning into vilains, but I guess their reasons are pretty convincing because they aren't bad. They are villains that have an ideology like "we do bad things only for the sake of justice". Gentle steals only the stores he thinks are bad and La Brava only films it. They even say that it isn't normal that Gentle is fighting because he hates violence... I think that if they had "worse" backgrounds they would be more violent and disturbed villains. |
Resus-2 said: SithSteel said: I also find Gentle Criminal's reasons for becoming a villain to be pretty weak. You failed the hero exam and decided to become a villain because a classmate didn't recognize you? Seriously? Its like he's the kiddie version of Stain. To be fair, the reasons for "Gentle Criminal" for becoming a villain is indeed weak but I could try to find some excuses for it, however, the reasons for "La Brava" for becoming a villain was weak and on this one I can't find any excuses. My excuses: "Gentle Criminal": The story showed him as a failure from the beginning and as time moved on he was still a failure to the point where his friends didn't even recognized him (it was only 1 friend but it would have been better if it showed plenty of his friends not recognizing him), also, he indirectly almost caused the death of a civilian by trying to help him (it would have been better if the civilian died), his parents disown him and probably kicked him out of the house, we can just assume that life wasn't working for him so he decided to take action and do something different, he brainwashed himself to have a "new persona" and become a good villain and once this happened things started working better for him. IMHO It would have been better if it showed him having a "suicidal" mentality and to overcome that mentality he decided to change his persona to become a villain. My excuses are bad but I can at least try to find two or three for him. "La Brava": I can't find excuses for this one, getting depressed after being rejected by 1 guy in school is a normal thing. It would have been more believable if the manga/anime showed "La Brava" getting rejected multiple times in her whole life while growing up and losing her parents in the process on a car accident or something... if that happened her reasons to be depressed and going into "Villain Mode" was going to be more believable, the way it was handled in the manga/anime just felt too cliché for me. I'd still find those reasons for becoming a villain to be weak or, at the very least, something I can't really sympathize with without some external force convincing him that becoming a villain is actually a good thing. Either that or giving him a backstory that shows he was rather indifferent to the whole idea of justice from the start. I dunno. The backstories for the mini bosses in the Overhaul arc were more compelling to me than Gentle Criminal's own backstory. Heck, maybe they should have just given him a Robin Hood-type of persona. Even if all he cared about was the fame, he at least could have done some things that endeared him to the wretches and downtrodden of society. As for La Brava, ironically, I find her backstory to be slightly more relatable than GC's. Its still a little nonsensical, like you said, but the idea of having a vulnerable young girl falling in love with a villain and seeking him out actually makes more sense to me. Maybe the issue for me is that GC is clearly portrayed as a "good villain", as you put it, even though he's done nothing to really deserve that image. People in this thread were talking about how Midoriya (a character whom I don't have much love for, by the way) was being selfish for stopping GC from achieving his [strike]idiotic[/strike] dream. I'm just sitting here thinking about how anyone could possibly think that. In what way could it possibly be admirable for a thirty-something year old man to sneak into a high school? This line of thinking just makes no sense to me. I also can't get past how his response to nearly killing someone is to become a criminal. Just, what? Ugh. Its so dumb. |
Gyeferson said: People are saying that the past of Gentle and La Brava should be "worse" to justify they turning into vilains, but I guess their reasons are pretty convincing because they aren't bad. They are villains that have an ideology like "we do bad things only for the sake of justice". Gentle steals only the stores he thinks are bad and La Brava only films it. They even say that it isn't normal that Gentle is fighting because he hates violence... I think that if they had "worse" backgrounds they would be more violent and disturbed villains. I'm assuming that you are referring to me and my comment about Gentle Criminal's backstory. My thing is that his backstory is just not compelling. He nearly kills someone and his answer to this life-altering incident (for both parties) is to become a criminal? That just doesn't make any sense to me. He wasn't being falsely accused of a crime he didn't commit. He wasn't forced into a confession by some corrupt cop. No understandable bridge is provided to explain this change in circumstances. If he'd been portrayed as the kind of guy who was on an ego trip and felt wronged by his school for not "recognizing his genius" simply because he failed a "meaningless" exam then his turn would make more sense to me. His backstory didn't need to be "worse", as you put it. It just needed to make more sense and provide an actually compelling reason for why he went from wanting to become a hero to being a villain. He doesn't need to be an unhinged murderer to be interesting. As for La Brava, her backstory is actually a little compelling. A lonely, vulnerable, and depressed girl falls into a life of crime? That is way more understandable than the backstory of Gentle Criminal. I don't see how that's Gentle Criminal and La Brava's so-called ideology. They don't help the downtrodden like Robin Hood. They do it or, really, Gentle Criminal does it for Internet fame. He's said over and over that that is why he does what he does. Certainly, La Brava hasn't shown any inclination of wanting to help people. I dunno, maybe I'm missing something or have forgotten some crucial part of this arc. What, exactly, did that store from earlier in the arc do to justify being robbed? I don't remember. Personally, I don't think having a worse backstory necessarily means that he has to be a more disturbed person. I'm not suggesting they needed to make him the victim of abusive parents or whatever, but it would have been a better explanation for why he gave up on his dreams than what we were given. |
| That was a good episode! |
| Gentle and La brava backstory is very dramatic and touching |
| I really don't like Gentle Criminal, I just don't think his motivations are nonsense. I understand your point of view and I just want to show mine. Sorry if it looks like I am overreacting. SithSteel said: I'm assuming that you are referring to me and my comment about Gentle Criminal's backstory. My thing is that his backstory is just not compelling. He nearly kills someone and his answer to this life-altering incident (for both parties) is to become a criminal? That just doesn't make any sense to me. He wasn't being falsely accused of a crime he didn't commit. He wasn't forced into a confession by some corrupt cop. No understandable bridge is provided to explain this change in circumstances. Yes! Nearly kills someone when you are studying and trying your hardest to be a hero is a very convincing life-altering incident. He wanted to save people and everyone said he didn't have the capacity. He failed exams and the first time he tried to be of any help, he injured the dude and prevented a hero to save him. He saw that he didn't have aptitude to be a hero. SithSteel said: If he'd been portrayed as the kind of guy who was on an ego trip and felt wronged by his school for not "recognizing his genius" simply because he failed a "meaningless" exam then his turn would make more sense to me. His backstory didn't need to be "worse", as you put it. It just needed to make more sense and provide an actually compelling reason for why he went from wanting to become a hero to being a villain. He doesn't need to be an unhinged murderer to be interesting. I guess that if it were worse, maybe he would turn in a greater treat. But he turned in a small villain that has a youtube channel which makes sense to me. He suffered a trauma and it is hard to negate that. It is like you wanting to be an race pilot and accidentally run over a person. You don't need to kill the person to abandon your life dream, this accident can be enough to make you traumatized. You would put a person six months in the hospital beacuse your inability to drive. How can you feel that you are capable of driving? How can you feel that you have the right to keep driving? SithSteel said: As for La Brava, her backstory is actually a little compelling. A lonely, vulnerable, and depressed girl falls into a life of crime? That is way more understandable than the backstory of Gentle Criminal. Just adding that she saw Gentle's video and got inspired by him. (I really don't know why kkkkk but they showed that she got inspired...) So she dedicated her life for him when she saw that her admiration was corresponded. (Gentle paint his eyes to simulate her dark circles and treats her gently and politely) SithSteel said: I don't see how that's Gentle Criminal and La Brava's so-called ideology. They don't help the downtrodden like Robin Hood. They do it or, really, Gentle Criminal does it for Internet fame. He's said over and over that that is why he does what he does. Certainly, La Brava hasn't shown any inclination of wanting to help people. I dunno, maybe I'm missing something or have forgotten some crucial part of this arc. He justifies in some manner why he does the things he does. You can disagree with his morals, but he shows an ideology for the things he does. If it isn't for a greater cause, it is for the feelings of La Brava. SithSteel said: What, exactly, did that store from earlier in the arc do to justify being robbed? I don't remember. SithSteel said: Personally, I don't think having a worse backstory necessarily means that he has to be a more disturbed person. I'm not suggesting they needed to make him the victim of abusive parents or whatever, but it would have been a better explanation for why he gave up on his dreams than what we were given. In my opinion, the display of his inability of acheving being a hero (four times disapproved of the exam and causing an accident because tried to save a person) plus the rejecting of their parents and being forgotten by his friend are enough explanation for him giving up of being a hero. Trying to find a solution, he found that book. But I understand your point. Maybe some people can overcome those events easily. Maybe it isn't enough to drive him desperate. Really... I don't like Gentle tha much, I just think that he has reasonable motivations. He is a better vilain than Overhaul that only wants to impress a dude that he almost killed whe he tried to prevent him... |
| This was a much better episode than what most of season 4 has offered. I like how its less focused on typical villains and more of relationships and life choices of Gentle Criminal. You could genuinely sympathise with him and his situation. Its interesting to see a hero type moment with people cheering for him despite him being the villain. I like both Gentle Criminal and his acomplice. Its interesting to see the parralels between Deku and Gentle Criminal in the fact that they both gave up on their dream of becoming a Hero and Deku just coincidentally had the right push to continue his dream while GC didnt. His push then came in the opposite direction with the girl liking his plans. Honestly thought season 4 overall was pretty weak but these last few episodes have been pretty decent. Shame its over so soon. |
DarknessRealityMar 15, 2020 2:13 PM
| Yuritopia FTW!!!!!!!!! BANZAI TO YURI !!!!!!!!!!!! |
| La Brava and Gentle best villains Hollweg said: This one hundred times. Gentle and La Brava are better than all past villains combined. this is amazing |
| Fire Emblem anime when |
| La Brava's skill is literally Sister Nana's skill in MahoIku, powering up the person she loves, interesting. |
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| Why does kendo's voice actor sound like a fucking baby? |
Read Toriko! |
| I can't believe they made Gentle so fucking wack. This was supposed to be the best season of My Hero and yet somehow Bones has turned it into the worst. This sucks. |
| Read Toriko! |
| I've said it multiple times but I'll say it again, Gentle best MHA villain so far... |
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The fights are the only redeeming quality of the show from the start, so if that gets fucked up, there's nothing left. |
| The battle between Gentle and La Brava duo and Deku doesn't stop, not until one side is laid on defeat. And knowing Deku's character towards villains, he is the type who won't relent. It's both happy and sad to see La Brava brave her courage towards Gentle Criminal, as the man who acknowledges her presence and love, being her Quirk, is the most essential ever. To Gentle, to achieve his dream, he cannot stop trampling on others' dreams, even if his actions were meant for good that ended with him being maligned (just like Stain's ideals to change the Hero Society status quo). Throughout all the main villains, I can safely say that both of them are truly acting their part as heroes of a broken world. Now I see why Gentle and La Brava are more than just the average villain antagonists, they're interesting for trying to achieve their dreams as good people, but with society rejecting them, they're forced to be villains (and that is just sad). What a great episode, but sadly this is their demise. |
KANLen09Mar 16, 2020 3:48 AM
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| Who is going to make a move next? The psychopath from the Villain League? |
| A show featuring a hero trying to prevent a big, fun gathering from being cancelled is exactly what I need while being quarantined. |
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| Well, that was a quick fight, I didn’t expect Gentle’s screen time to finish too early. To be honest, La Brava’s quirk wasn’t that interesting. We had both backstories, La Brava’s backstory was very lame, but Gentle’s backstory was the frustrated hero’s one, what happened to him in his youth was horrible demotivating. |
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phantomfandom said: the falling victim that Gentle try to help is the classic reason on why helping without license/authorization is prohibited in this world, and that is why vigilante is illegal (and has its own story), because Deku class members are wondering why they can't just go out and help people. The problem is that it has taken almost an entire four seasons for the show to actually explain this to the audience, and the explanation we are shown in this episode is highly circumstantial. It's only because the flying hero went down under and came up at THAT EXACT ANGLE at THAT EXACT TIME that the flying hero bumped into the barrier. Furthermore, Gentle cast the barrier before he had any idea there would be an actual pro hero arriving. At the time, Gentle was operating under the correct belief that the guy would die in the next few seconds and he had quirk at his disposal that was well suited to the situation. If this is supposed to be the explanation that makes us go "oh yeah, people shouldn't be using their quirks to save people unless they are licensed", it's an incredibly weak argument. |
MegamiRem said: This was cliche and boring. Also the bgm was killing the flashbacks. fr, and both backstory shallow af... |
| wahh!! La Brava makes me cry!! Please don't hurt her huhuhu she's so cute and innocent T-------T |
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