Bokutachi wa Benkyou ga Dekinai Chapter 150 Discussion

Yautja said:
Fucking lmao, this is hilarious. The author is a coward, he knew he was writing an awful ending and after the backlash pulls this to try and placate everyone. Granted this will make for some actually decent endings instead of this flatly awful one, but it's still the cowards way out. This is too damn funny. I've gone from "don't care" to "harsh dislike" to "watching this dumpster fire with glee" in regards to this manga.

whiters99 said:


Whether the author did everything because he's being a coward is something you cannot casually judge like that while not knowing what on his mind.

He knew he was writing an awful ending? That's hilarious. If he knew, he won't write it, it's that simple. The reason it was awful is because of your own perspective and believed that it was a single ending manga. If you think that the author did the current ending because he already thought of making multiple endings, the feel of lacking is now makes some senses, after all the manga is still unfinished.

Yautja said:
The rage of Uruka fans sustains us all. The anime got shit for doing an Uruka ending, so yes, he knew what would happen, and pulled this shit when it did.

Plenty of other fans have explained why it's awful, mainly because of how much of a backseat Uruka had until the end, and how it's cheap and inherently contradictory to put multiple "canon" endings in a manga. If you wanna jerk yourself and this manga off, go talk to the OP of this thread or other Uruka fans.

I like how it's okay for you to basically assert "that's your opinion and subjective, my opinion is fact and objective", and assume the author is so smart and had a great big plan, but I cannot assume he's a moron, even though your justifications are contrived and unrelated at best. This ending, even as a separate route, is absolutely awful and him having multiple endings, planned or not, makes no difference as to how much of a moron he is or how irritating multiple "canon" endings are.

whiters99 said:


Really though? The Uruka original ending on anime is when Uruka just confessed to Nariyuki on manga, I don't believe he just started on multiple endings after the bad reviews from the anime. The fact Uruka had confessed is already showing the direction of the route. It was also a whole different ending compared to the manga despite having the same girl, what are you talking about? There's no way for the author to know he is writing a bad story at that time when it wasn't even confirmed yet on the manga. Your arguments are invalid as I did not state any subjective opinion and your hate doesn't make any senses that's why I argue with you. I always stated "for me" or "imo" shame on you.

Yautja said:
Fucking lmao, this is hilarious. The author is a coward, he knew he was writing an awful ending and after the backlash pulls this to try and placate everyone. Granted this will make for some actually decent endings instead of this flatly awful one, but it's still the cowards way out. This is too damn funny. I've gone from "don't care" to "harsh dislike" to "watching this dumpster fire with glee" in regards to this manga.

Kuma said:

this is the ending author planned since at very least 8 mounth for technical stand point alone. the storyboard for ending have to be accepted 6 mount in advance for jump editorial to approve (source, gintama last chapter in magazine). now add to color pages/cover pages magazine planning, it would be another 3 mount at least. now my friends even pointed out that each ending arc is their backtracking from their introduction to festival arc. so it's highly possible it was planned since beginning.

another fact to consider is that doing this obviously made the mangaka work more for less, because as 22i said in twitter, you are free to pick your ending, which also mean he didn't demand fans to buy volume where the ending they dislike. but he still going for it for the love of series and for every fans.

he value his series and his fans more than any of your average mangaka. he interact with fans on twitter with heartwarming answer. that's more dedication and bravery than you.

Elverost said:


If i understand what you write correctly, we will have 5 manga in one ? And every new story will start just after the school festival. In this way, why not, you can found a meaning in all this. But if it's just one volume for each heroine, one volume to resume 9 for the first route... Mmm... It's not very serious, to be polite. But surely fun to read.

Kuma said:


this is the ending author planned since at very least 8 mounth for technical stand point alone. the storyboard for ending have to be accepted 6 mount in advance for jump editorial to approve (source, gintama last chapter in magazine). now add to color pages/cover pages magazine planning, it would be another 3 mount at least. now my friends even pointed out that each ending arc is their backtracking from their introduction to festival arc. so it's highly possible it was planned since beginning.

another fact to consider is that doing this obviously made the mangaka work more for less, because as 22i said in twitter, you are free to pick your ending, which also mean he didn't demand fans to buy volume where the ending they dislike. but he still going for it for the love of series and for every fans.

he value his series and his fans more than any of your average mangaka. he interact with fans on twitter with heartwarming answer. that's more dedication and bravery than you.

Yautja said:

Then he's an even worse author than I thought. If this was the plan from 6 months ago, let alone the beginning, this multi-route shtick has gone from a cop-out to an outright joke. Given 6+ months to plan an ending and this is what he comes up with? I don't really care about your lame insults or cheap buzzwords, I care about a good story.

Him being a nice guy or "heart warming" is irrelevant to how utterly awful this is, and how cheap and cowardly it is to have multiple endings to a manga, seemingly because he cannot write a conclusive and satisfying / acceptable singular ending, and only announce it (coincidence or not) after a shit ton of backlash and an awful ending, not since the beginning or well in advance. Spare me your moral grandstanding and emotional appeal.

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Kuma said:


he has facing backlash in uruka arc, and he responded fans uproar and facing it. it's not him that coward, it's you, who can't facing reality and triggered because it went a way you dislike and calling him coward in internet forum. you are the one that spouting buzzword. we have amagami SS, we have kimimachi. but this is the first time a series give each ending a full volume arc with proper conclusive ending. he intend to do this even he fully know he will get less money out of it.

if anything, 22i show how dedicated he is try his best to satisfy each girl fanbase.

Yautja said:
Writing multiple endings to placate fans, bowing to the masses instead of writing the story you want (bad or not), is the cheap, lazy, cowards way out. Especially when the manga clearly wasn't set up for that, and no one ever knew. Plain and simple. It's an attempt to satisfy everyone, and or the inability to write a singular satisfying ending. Either pick a girl, write a harem ending or make a VN, or hell, write a proper spin off like Saekano.

Yautja said:
Lmao, "face reality", I don't care about Bokuben. I was never invested in it, and I never liked it. And I really doubt he gives a shit about some rando's opinion of him. Coward is pretty fair descriptor considering the situation, "heartwarming", "dedicated" and "brave" are cliches. Hell, maybe, even if, he is those things, they're pretty pathetic deflections and entirely irrelevant. I didn't take you for the type to white knight. If anyone here is triggered, it's you.

Yautja said:
Yes, and Amagami SS is based on a visual novel and KNIM is one of the worse, and messier manga ever written, rivaling Nisekoi in being dragged out and having clusterfuck endings. I sure as hell wouldn't use either of those an examples to emulate.

Elverost said:
Sadly I am agree with Yautja.

It's can't be a proper ending for each heroine if it's just one volume. The 17 volume of the manga didn't support this type of multiple end, even if the majority can't accept it (the actual end), but the whole story support only one end, the first, because it's follow the story since the begining and the set up is for that, even if you miss it during your lecture, all the story since the begining support the first end. 6 month ago you say to prepare an end ?

We will have 4 volume for the end, so the manga finish in 6 month so much. So this type of harem end was think recently not 6 month ago. Why because nothing in the writing support it (in the past 8 month nothing on it).

It's fan service, and if he calm the fan and give them what they want it's okay. But if you some intellectual honesty you will see the first end if the only end and Bokuben.

The second problem is to turn each end on the firework girl, it's pretty cheap, just touch the hand of a girl this day will suppress all the interaction with all the character in the 9 volume which follow this ? Morever, the firework girl, if it was well used, is a thing to support the final choice (the real one) with a destiny choice.

I undestand the "Route If" title, it's a little protection of the author honor, like the rest of the manga is sorta spin off.

Well, i will stop to argue about it here (my last post here, i will not disturb you're plaisir anymore for the following chapter), in the begining of this thread i already expose the problem and Yautja continue it (and i like the manga and him don't ah ah).

If everyone here enjoy, that's cool for the longevity of the manga and the bizness too. Fortunetly for him, we have in general short memory and we tend to forget what doesn't interest us. And you forget why we have this end, the chapter 128 was here to prepare us to this. How can a girl who do this can be rejected at this end ? The author is no monster.

Kuma said:


i already said that this decision infact has been planned since beginning and it was in fact will reduce the sales. 22i admit this but still go with it. but you seems too obsessed by calling him coward. also this is proper alternative ending for everyone. how is that less relevant than saekano?

then why are you here? just to hating? what a sad life you has. you are the one that coward. he facing the backlash since beginning and answer fans question. that's more than you.

i simply said it's rare to have this kind of ending in main series. he take the risk in fact, not playing save. but you still refuse to it that he doing this because facing backlash. this ending has been planned way before backlash and he has facing backlash since the start of uruka ending and he is not backing down.

Yautja said:

What you've said is entirely irrelevant to what you're quoting. Writing multiple endings to a manga that is not set up for multiple routes is an attempt to satisfy everyone. Especially when no one ever knew about it getting into the manga. The only difference being (supposedly) planned in advanced makes, is whether or not his kowtowing was preemptive or reactive, and just how bad these endings are due to how much time he had to plan. Because Saekano made proper spin-offs, whole new series, as opposed to this half-assed "one volume" shit.

I'm here using the forums for the intended purpose, discussion, positive or negative, and because I finish all series I start. Yea, it's really cowardly to express a negative opinion on MAL and the internet when everyone responds with the same kind of BS you do.
Yes, and this is him kowtowing to the backlash, preemptively or as a reaction. I'm entirely irrelevant to him and his actions, so again, if you'd stop deflecting and using a textbook "what about you" fallacy, that'd be nice.

Yes, you did, and your examples were awful because one was based on a Visual Novel and the other was an absolute dumpster fire.
No, playing safe would have either been him writing a harem ending, or a bs non-ending that most harems do. Him having a spine would have been him writing whatever singular ending he wanted to. Writing multiple endings is simply an act of fan-service, of trying please anyone, and you'll never be able to change that. This manga was clearly not set up for multiple routes, it has no indicators, not 6 months ago, not now, not since the beginning. It doesn't have the lore (Fate Timelines kinda thing), or structure (chose your own adventure style kinda writing), and he never told anyone he planned to do this until after all this backlash. Him (supposedly) planning it advanced just makes it preemptive and indicate he knew exactly what was going to happen (massive backlash) at the end of this manga, and this finale more pathetic considering how much time he had to write an actual ending, and how this manga and these endings still don't have the proper scaffolding to support themselves.

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Riichiro said:
Well I’m glad that we’ll get to see the Mafuyu route! Love the color pages.

Chapter 141 is the last chapter before Uruka’s arc officially starts, I wonder if that’ll be the branching point for all the parallel stories?

bastek66 said:
Should have just ended. Endings for each girl is just shallow wishfullfilment for selfinserts.

-Stray said:
I didn't plan on commenting about this anymore but people on discord spammed the shit out of me about this whole thing and asked for my opinion on it, I couldn't believe it at first so I did some more digging on twitter and reddit to get an actual source, once I found out it was true I laughed my ass out and said "22i you fcking pussy" hahahahaha.
I despise...hate what I'm about to say but... at least fucking Nisekoi's author (Komi) had the balls to end with just one girl (still a bad series but I appreciate his guts) but this man tho... it felt like he had no idea what the fuck he was doing or that he himself knows having an Uruka end would bullfuckingshit make no sense so he had this end game plan so people wouldn't be bitter and still support his shit. You Goddamn coward hahahaha!

Deep down.. I feel like the reason he didn't have the other girls confess during Uruka's parallel part is because he knows Nariyuki is a prop mc that would accept any girl that would confess to him and fall inlove with her or get conscious the moment she confesses. Just reading his confession.... it literally could be any girl in Uruka's place and it still would make sense, just change the "swimming" part to the preferred subject of that character and done.

I'm just having fun I still love 22i, but damn man you shoulda just sticked with one girl, it doesnt work with how you set up your story on only having one girl.

Anyways the thread title is misleading. Hopefully a mod fixes it. From what I got at the end of this chapter it had a "route 1/5" meaning Uruka's route is considered as canon as the other heroines, they're all parallel and you decide which ending is for you, its like a damn game lol.