| Feminists and incels are both idiots who try to blame their own insecurities and problems on something else. Incels blame it on women and society and feminists blame their problems on men and society. It's pretty sad that just being a human being with strong self worth is a rarity nowadays. |
 |
Lux_Lucis said: I have not been to Ecchi clubs (or any clubs really) so idk about the demographics there so I’ll trust you Literally just look at the words she uses to describe the people who use ecchi clubs, and toss that together with her past actions like having tried to get ecchi forum sets banned from the site entirely before. She tries doing this to us often, you can kind of tell by how she immediately set in on us to try to call us all incels, and then as soon as you opened up the lane, she starts flinging dirt at us in every single direction she can possibly attempt to this time around. We're not even relevant to this discussion, yet we're being brought up as a major talking point due to one person and one person alone. Feel free to join up with us and form your own opinion and investigate, I posted links and all, but trusting her isn't exactly getting water from an unbiased source and I'd strongly discourage it. |
 |
@Lux_Lucis Case in point. Your personal opinion is irrelevant at the end of the day, Lux, given that the wheel will keep turning, but it's kind of stupid to trust something that some stranger told you at face value. You very well could be taking the word of a vindictive sociopath. |
|
nessarosie said: ah, sociopaths, you got me confused with another female user i think so that is how you view real life women No, it's how I view you. You trying to make this a case of me viewing all women that way is only proving my point about the types of behaviors I outlined above that make my case as to why you are a disgusting excuse of a human being. If you were representative of all real life women, then that'd be a sad state of affairs. I'm capable of recognizing that you are an exceptionally delusional, insanely spiteful and incredibly prejiduced individual, though, and I'm going to treat you as an outsider/exception instead of commonplace. Y'know, we put people in asylums and out of functioning society for a reason. |
|
Lux_Lucis said: nessarosie said: Nah, theres definitely more in the ecchi clubs. And the far right wing creeps on CE. Pretty sure they dont even know where a real clitoris is. The Real clitoris? I guess it’s some expression I’ve never encountered before. Will the real clitoris please stand up ? |
| ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⣸⠋⠀⠀⠀⡄⠀⠀⡔⠀⢀⠀⢸⠀⠀⠀⡘⡰⠁⠘⡀⠀⠀⢠⠀⠀⠀⢸⠀⠀⢸⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠁⠀⣀⠀⠀⡇⠀⡜⠈⠁⠀⢸⡈⢇⠀⠀⢣⠑⠢⢄⣇⠀⠀⠸⠀⠀⠀⢸⠀⠀⢸⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⢰⡟⡀⠀⡇⡜⠀⠀⠀⠀⠘⡇⠈⢆⢰⠁⠀⠀⠀⠘⣆⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠸⠀⠀⡄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠤⢄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⡼⠀⣧⠀⢿⢠⣤⣤⣬⣥⠀⠁⠀⠀⠛⢀⡒⠀⠀⠀⠘⡆⡆⠀⠀⠀⡇⠀⠀⠇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⢵⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⡰⠀⢠⠃⠱⣼⡀⣀⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⠛⠳⠶⠶⠆⡸⢀⡀⣀⢰⠀⠀⢸ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⣀⣀⣀⠄⠀⠉⠁⠀⠀⢠⠃⢀⠎⠀⠀⣼⠋⠉⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠴⠢⢄⡔⣕⡍⠣⣱⢸⠀⠀⢷⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⡰⠃⢀⠎⠀⠀⡜⡨⢢⡀⠀⠀⠀⠐⣄⠀⠀⣠⠀⠀⠀⠐⢛⠽⠗⠁⠀⠁⠊⠀⡜⠸⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⢀⠔⣁⡴⠃⠀⡠⡪⠊⣠⣾⣟⣷⡦⠤⣀⡈⠁⠉⢀⣀⡠⢔⠊⠁⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⡤⡗⢀⠇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⢀⣠⠴⢑⡨⠊⡀⠤⠚⢉⣴⣾⣿⡿⣾⣿⡇⠀⠹⣻⠛⠉⠉⢀⠠⠺⠀⠀⡀⢄⣴⣾⣧⣞⠀⡜⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠐⠒⣉⠠⠄⡂⠅⠊⠁⠀⠀⣴⣿⣿⣿⣿⣻⣿⣿⡇⠀⠀⢠⣷⣮⡍⡠⠔⢉⡇⡠⠋⠁⠀⣿⣿⣿⣿⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀ |
nessarosie said: also my first post wasn't even about you, it was about all the creepy ecchi fanboys on the site in general, but thank you for taking Extra Special Offense.[/size] You specifically brought up clubs and you specifically mentioned instances like being called a bitch by them, among other things. I am the owner of the largest and most active club for this fanbase and I have personally made it a point to refer to you as a bitch before. If you have multiple run-ins with people who hang around my club that go along these lines, I'm probably going to vouch for them over you. Or, at the very least, look into it before taking anything you say at face value, given your word has less value than the Ruble. You are a bad liar. Just like every other time you've tried to sit there and come after ecchi fans by grouping them with incels and whatever your fucked, prejiduced head has tried to get you to convince others about us. But even giving you benefit of the doubt about that, I own the largest and only active ecchi club. Your intent is irrelevant when it comes to me stepping in against you spreading bullshit about us being populated by incels and what have you. |
ManabanAug 31, 2019 10:06 PM
|
nessarosie said: ecchi fans are a "prejudiced group"... okay, now i've heard it all, i'm screencapping that, and i'm laughing at it Sure, go back and screencap it the multiple times I've brought it up in this thread. The way you dart to straight up grouping everybody who likes ecchi together, try to attach labels like incel to us and try to label us as women-haters, ascribe a bunch of behaviors to us as a collective, and the lack of experience you've openly displayed about the current state of ecchi clubs on this site happens to fit the definition eerily well. I'm quite comfortable making this assertion in your case. Change "ecchi fan" to Mexican or something, and you sound like the average Trump supporter. |
ManabanAug 31, 2019 10:31 PM
|
Manaban said: They targeted echhi fans.nessarosie said: ecchi fans are a "prejudiced group"... okay, now i've heard it all, i'm screencapping that, and i'm laughing at it Sure, go back and screencap it the multiple times I've brought it up in this thread. The way you dart to straight up grouping everybody who likes ecchi together, try to attach labels like incel to us and try to label us as women-haters, ascribe a bunch of behaviors to us as a collective, and the lack of experience you've openly displayed about the current state of ecchi clubs on this site happens to fit the definition eerily well. I'm quite comfortable making this assertion in your case. Change "ecchi fan" to Mexican or something, and you sound like the average Trump supporter. ECCHI FANS. We're a group of people who will sit for hours, days, even weeks on end performing some of the hardest, most mentally demanding tasks. Over, and over, and over all for nothing more than a little digital token saying we did. We'll punish our selfs doing things others would consider torture, because we think it's fun. We'll spend most if not all of our free time watching and fapping to fictional characters maximize our ecchi knowledge by a little bit. Many of us have made careers out of doing just these things: slogging through the grind, all day, watching same harem anime over and over, hundreds of times to the point where we know evety little detail such that some have attained such ecchi nirvana that they can literally play ecchi games blindfolded. Do these people have any idea how many waifu have been smashed, systems over heated, dvd and blu-ray destroyed 8n frustration? All to latter be referred to as bragging rights? These people honestly think this is a battle they can win? They take our media? We're already building a new one without them. They take our devs? Ecchi fans aren't shy about throwing their money else where, or even making the games our selves. They think calling us racist, mysoginistic, rape apologists is going to change us? We've been called worse things by prepubescent 10 year olds with a shitty body pillow. They picked a fight against a group that's already grown desensitized to their strategies and methods. Who enjoy the battle of attrition they've threatened us with. Who take it as a challange when they tell us we no longer matter. Our obsession with proving we can after being told we can't is so deeply ingrained from years of dealing with big brothers/sisters and friends laughing at how pathetic we used to be that proving you people wrong has become a very real need; a honed reflex. Echhi fans are competative, hard core, by nature. We love a challange. The worst thing you did in all of this was to challange us. You're not special, you're not original, you're not the first; this is just another isekai anime to watch. |
mountainheartAug 31, 2019 10:49 PM
nessarosie said: For the record as a female who has waifus/husbandos and can differ between fiction and reality, of course I don't expect real men to be like my often abusive asshole villain husbands, you kidding? The difference between me, as sexually frustrated as I am, and most weebcels, is that I don't project my standards for fictional characters who don't act like real people, unto real people. ^ Basically this. Having waifus/husbandos is not a big deal. But when these people start projecting fictional characters to real life human beings that it becomes a problem. That is what plagues most of MAL. Incels start to blame and insult rl women because of their fictional waifus and project their unrealistic expectations onto real life human beings. I have my fair share of f*cked up waifus/husbandos but hell if I am gonna expect real life human beings to be like them. |
  |
Junling said: ^ Basically this. Having waifus/husbandos is not a big deal. But when these people start projecting fictional characters to real life human beings that it becomes a problem. That is what plagues most of MAL. Incels start to blame and insult rl women because of their fictional waifus and project their unrealistic expectations onto real life human beings. I have my fair share of f*cked up waifus/husbandos but hell if I am gonna expect real life human beings to be like them. This always kind of felt like something that has a level of prominence that in no way warrants the level of concern that it receives. Even granting it the benefit of the doubt and going along with it for a moment, though, I think it's also especially kind of fucked up to try to blame a fictional character for somebody's personality deficit, like you're doing here: Incels start to blame and insult rl women because of their fictional waifus and project their unrealistic expectations onto real life human beings. A semi-functioning human being wouldn't demand somebody else to mold and conform to some standard they set without having the other side being a factor in said standard at all, regardless of whether or not it's a fictional or character they're being held up against. The issue is less to do with *what* people would be demanding of others, and more the base act of what they're doing. Would it be particularly fair to basically demand one person to be like this other person they prefer more? Fiction isn't especially relevant to the problem here. That personality problem can manifest itself in a variety of ways, often in ways that are entirely independent of fictional characters. |
ManabanAug 31, 2019 11:30 PM
|
This always kind of felt like something that has a level of prominence that in no way warrants the level of concern that it receives. I am specifically talking about individuals who are ready to jump at someone for even simply stating that they dislike a character, throwing insults and disrespecting rl individuals over them. It's quite peculiar and hard to comprehend tbh. Even granting it the benefit of the doubt and going along with it for a moment, though, I think it's also especially kind of fucked up to try to blame a fictional character for somebody's personality deficit, like you're doing here: I am not blaming any fictional characters though? I am blaming the individuals who are doing the projecting and blaming human beings for not living upto their favourite fictional characters. A semi-functioning human being wouldn't demand somebody else to mold and conform to some standard they set without having the other side being a factor in said standard at all, regardless of whether or not it's a fictional or character they're being held up against. The issue is less to do with *what* people would be demanding of others, and more the base act of what they're doing. Would it be particularly fair to basically demand one person to be like this other person they prefer more? Fiction isn't especially relevant to the problem here. That personality problem can manifest itself in a variety of ways, often in ways that are entirely independent of fictional characters. Right now the main question at hand is do anime fans show this particular type of behaviour? Of course there are people who have or manifest this kind of behaviour outside of just fiction as well. There are multiple possibilities. Just so you know, I am not collectively blaming any community for any of the things I stated but rather single individuals who have displayed such attitudes. |
glemarailleSep 1, 2019 12:09 AM
| |
SadMadoka said: Interacting and treating them with respect isn't hard at all. What's hard is to keep them and to even actually befriend them instead of having only shallow socializing at best. Doesn't matter whether or not sexual attraction comes to play.The best advice I can give to those struggling with this is to befriend the opposite sex. Build real friendships and treat them with respect. Don't think of them as sex objects or tools for your satisfaction. Get used to interacting with them and you will find that it's not so hard after all. It's btw. not restricted to females, but from my own experiences, it seems that people who suddenly leave me have at least one of the following: a) some mental issues b) have found a lover c) have some anger-management issues d) have become or are too overwhelmed with their social circle(s) |
Noboru said: Interacting and treating them with respect isn't hard at all. What's hard is to keep them and to even actually befriend them instead of having only shallow socializing at best. Doesn't matter whether or not sexual attraction comes to play. It's btw. not restricted to females, but from my own experiences, it seems that people who suddenly leave me have at least one of the following: a) some mental issues b) have found a lover c) have some anger-management issues d) have become or are too overwhelmed with their social circle(s) You mentioned that problem you've been having before, but it's too complex for me to know what's going on, given such limited info and the fact that you yourself aren't sure as to the causes. (I do find it odd that apparently none of them gave you a decent explanation, instead disappearing out of the blue.) However, I was mainly referring to interacting in person, which is quite a bit different than online. It's more difficult to block someone out of your life when you frequently hang out "IRL" as opposed to clicking a button on a computer. I've been friends with guys and girls my entire life, so you could say it comes naturally to me, given all the practice. I think that's what it comes down to: doing something repeatedly and getting used to it. |
 |
| @SadMadoka: I do get feedback by some people, but only when they can't bear it any longer and get completely fed up with me without providing me with a chance to better myself in that regard. Also, you are completely right that with limited info, any uninvolved third party will have it much harder to relate to my troubles in this regard. However, the problems are that a) things are communicated mostly in private. And even if I have evidence that could clear myself from false allegations and could help others relate to me much better, it's not like I could use it or more like: I don't really want to use it without the explicit permission of the other person b) people and especially girls/women tend to alter and/or delete their public conversations with me and/or others to reflect their current opinions on me c) many people are simply too nice/polite, don't outright tell me things or only at the very end once they've made the unwavering decision to leave me, and some act even contrary to their own position at the very end. Like they treat me like I've been their worst enemy, yet they still show way more compassion and sympathy than most other people towards me. You are completely right that it's way more difficult to block someone in person, but then again, it's harder to hang out in person than to do some common activities online. It depends on what you understand as "friends", but other than that, I agree that being used to social interactions makes it much easier to apply it to other settings as well. On that note, I regret having declined the offer when some girls invited me in high school to play basketball with me. Nowadays, I don't get offers like that any longer and it's much harder to even find people to do some things together with. |
Noboru said: I think this song by Freddy Quinn describes very well how much of it is pure chance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtVaf86aOqg While I can relate to having a strong dislike about the whole world in a figurative sense, if such unlucky people get lucky, they will easily turn for the better. The problem is when people act antagonistic towards them instead of being the one who tells them that they should "love - not hate!" and underline that position by loving them. Sayanna said: (1) I have good relations with both of my parentsNot to sound Freudian but something I've noticed from both groups is that a lot of them tend to have very toxic relationships with their Mother figures /abuse/ overly dependant etc (1) and a lot of that makes people like that anti-social and turn to escapism like anime for example -which would make you awkward with girls. Just a victim of circumstance. (2) and while that sucks I don't think they should blame an entire gender on their piece of shit mom Not all of them are like this of course though.(3) but to me it seems like the male version of why girls with daddy issues turn hard liberal (4) (2) I think that negative experiences play a much bigger role of why people have phases in which they are tired of socializing, especially when it pales compared to love-like and/or more intimate interactions (3) I agree that it's stupid to blame an entire sex, but not everyone gets lucky. And sometimes, people shoot themselves in their own foot when they reject people who wanted to get close(r) to them or who wanted to do something with them. (4) What's the connection between being overly liberal and having "daddy issues"? (1) Not everyone is like that as I stated (2) Yes but that can be said about anything, OP's question was about whether or not people on MAL were more susceptible to becoming either an incel or an MGTOW so I was highlighting that. cause anti-social nerds are less likely to get laid basically. (3) I agree (4) I was simplifying, but basically, if you grew up with an over-controlling strict father you're most likely going to rebel against that by doing things they hate having a controlling father like that can lead girls to have trust issues with guys in the future and an easier time talking to women. - down the road to feminism a liberal ideology If the father was sexually abusive they often grow to hate men in general which is again the road to feminism. a liberal ideology I know this cause that was a large majority of my teenage years most guys I met were absolutely horrible to me a and i started preferring girls for a while because of it and it took me a long time to stop hating dudes but as stated with incels and MGTOW, not all women are like this. some are completely sane :o ! |
 |
Sayanna said: Oh then I agree and fair enough(2) Yes but that can be said about anything, OP's question was about whether or not people on MAL were more susceptible to becoming either an incel or an MGTOW so I was highlighting that. Sayanna said: Ah, I see what you mean now. And having had negative experiences like that is also what turns girls/women away from the opposite sex. Curiously enough, it seems like females get much earlier negative experiences with the opposite sex than males.(4) I was simplifying, but basically, if you grew up with an over-controlling strict father you're most likely going to rebel against that by doing things they hate having a controlling father like that can lead girls to have trust issues with guys in the future and an easier time talking to women. - down the road to feminism a liberal ideology I'm sorry to hear that bad things happened to you in the past and I'm glad to hear that you've got over it and have even managed to find your luck/happiness. Sayanna said: I don't mind even not completely sane people, but it seems like the tolerance is much lower for girls/women than for boys/men.(but as stated with incels and MGTOW, not all women are like this. some are completely sane :o ! |
NoboruSep 1, 2019 6:33 AM
| Had to google what the fuck a megatow is lol |
 |
| @SadMadoka Hmm, never made friends with the opposite sex? Ever heard of the friend zone? Being friends with the opposite sex does increase your chances, no doubt about that, but its no guarantee. I'm sorry but if you're a woman, bisexual, or gay then that completely explains why you think its easy. In all my conversations with women on this issue, they've consistently shown with only rare exceptions that they have no idea how difficult it is for the average guy who is only interested in girls to get laid. Living as a woman is like living in a 24/7 brothel where the hookers actually pay you or lavish you with gifts to have sex with them. Most girls reject way more people than they ever have sex with. Its so absurdly easy to get sex as a woman that I am not surprised that its difficult for them to comprehend how difficult it really is for straight guys. That's why so many girls think all you need is to just be around the opposite sex and "it will just happen," (while still denying that its all luck based). Some incel guys actually go only for other men because they can't get girls. Its called " taking the gay pill" because its well known that its way way easier to fuck other guys than it is to fuck girls. I actually saw one person online claim to be an incel when he only went for girls, he decided to switch teams and go for guys, and said there were so many guys interested in fucking him that he started behaving the way women do in regards to pickiness and only being interested in the top percentage of men who were after him. I will say that some lesbians who act kind of like men do have a pretty good idea of how difficult it is. I talked with one lesbian online who was like that. In many ways her behavior was indistinguishable from your typical horny guy. She would go to bars and nightclubs to try and pickup girls, she was a big fan of hookers, traveled around the country to find the best strip clubs for the purpose of finding extras, hired prostitutes online to have sex with. I asked her if she felt that women were difficult to pickup and she said "absolutely, I have a lot of sympathy for men. Girls should come with a manual." Even she acknowledged, however, that because she was a woman and not a man that she had it a little bit easier because of the inherent trust that women give each other and the invitations into their personal space that isn't given to men nearly as easily. You absolutely can be involuntarily friendless, its just less common than sexlessness because its a lot easier to make friends than find sex partners. That's where I say you're lucky, how you are treated really isn't dependent on how you treat others. I mean, how detached from the real world are you to think this? All nice people just have it easy with others, nobody who gets bullied doesn't deserve it. If anything, nice people are more likely to get treated like shit because lots of people think they're weak and easy to take advantage of. Yes, whether or not you can have sex is 80-90% dependent on luck. You can do things that will almost surely cripple you, but you can't do anything to guarantee your success. Going to the gym and getting buff can help, but it won't guarantee anything, that's why gymcels exist, making friends with the opposite sex helps, but plenty of incelish guys have female friends and it didn't help them, buying an online course in seduction can help some, but it fails many more. Almost everything that allows you to have sex is something you were born with. You took all my "yous" as meaning you personally when I really meant "you" in the broad sense. Somebody who can have sex will almost certainly be born with decent or good looks. If you are born female or gay you are virtually guaranteed to have a decent sex life in your future. Even ugly girls can have a lot of sex these days. A person who can have sex will likely have been born without mental illness. A person who can have sex will have been lucky enough to have mostly positive encounters with other people instead of negative ones, and thus, not develop an anxious or anti-social personality. There is virtually nothing you can do except improve your odds a bit. That's it. You can improve your odds by going out places, you can improve your odds by trying to socialize. You can improve your odds by going to the gym. The biggest thing you can do is get a good job that pays well. And as I said, visiting hookers will indirectly improve your odds because it'll make you somewhat satisfied and you will give off the vibe of someone who has sex sometimes instead of the incel vibe. None of these things guarantee, however, that you will improve your situation. Many guys have tried all of these and still failed. Whether you ultimately succeed or not is based on whether nature decides to let you. Way to quote a very small part of that passage and ignore context. I said hardly any guy finds it easy to pickup girls, not that hardly any guy does have sex. Most guys can manage to do it if they go out to bars and nightclubs frequently and if they put all their effort into socializing and simply the sheer quantity of social situations they are in will eventually result in them finding somebody. However, hardly any guy can just walk out of their house, go to a nightclub or bar, and find somebody to have sex with within two or three tries. People should feel entitled to a decent life when the resources of prosperous, first world countries are as high as they are. Funny how we are more likely to defend people living a life of debauchery with 100+ different partners if they can manage it than we are to say an incel should be allowed to have just one person. Having an active, regular sex life is part of having a decent life. Making people go through inceldom is just cruel. I'd say ignoring that is almost as bad as ignoring people who are starving on the streets and saying that its just their fault they can't find food. If they find it impossible given the resources available to them, then its obvious that society doesn't have enough resources to help inceled men. Or perhaps there are trends and behaviors of people in our society that create incels. I guarantee you if this was a problem that only women faced, we'd be hearing about it day and night and people would find a solution for them. In my opinion, sex robots will probably be the best solution. But of course feminazis want to ban them and claim they "degrade women." All the things in your article which are debatable war crimes have to do with the treatment of enemy prisoners or happened in the distant past. Nothing from WW2 or the Phillipines war counts. We're talking about today, the 21st century. If it did not happen in the 21st century then its a moot point. There is nothing saying "US troops stormed into Afghani village and slaughtered all the residents." |
Ryuk9428Sep 1, 2019 1:59 PM
| Signature removed. Please follow the signature rules, as defined in the Site & Forum Guidelines. |
149597871 said: Ryuk9428 said: Why does everyone think that? Its like a ridiculous myth that has been spread around by so many people that whenever the issue of incels comes up, somebody inevitably says "incels have just never tried to even talk to girls." I mean c'mon dude, you sound like the people who call adults having sex with teenagers pedophiles right now. I know you're smarter than that and wouldn't just accept what other people have said as the absolute truth. Have you ever actually talked to incels? You don't have to join an incel forum, just go on 4chan's R9k section or at least read what they say even if you don't agree with it or find it shocking. Whenever I talk to people who struggle with girls, the answer is the same across the board. Its "I've tried so many times, every girl I talk to just ends up ghosting me or saying no. I don't feel like there's any point to trying anymore because I've already tried so many times and nothing I do ever works." I can assure you that the vast majority of incels have tried many times. That's the reason why they're so hopeless is because they have tried and nothing worked. But normal people, for some reason, can't seem to comprehend why its so hard for them to get laid and the reason why is because normal people don't understand the sheer dumb luck factor and don't want to acknowledge that the reason behind their sexual success is just pure luck and if the wheels of fortune had been different for them, they could've ended up an incel themselves. They'd rather say that its because incels are awful people and of course nobody wants to fuck an awful person because any other answer to the incel phenomenon questions whether they actually have any right to be successful with girls or whether sexual success is just fucking random. If it is random, then the conclusion we'd have to come to is that some people who are sexually successful, have no logical reason for being so and probably don't deserve the happiness they've been given and other people have been lonely and miserable their entire lives and did not deserve to have that happen to them. It also requires people to accept the fact that some people, who could have turned out to be wonderful people, had their lives destroyed by social rejection. They may be an awful human being now, because of it and it could have been prevented if we had more sympathy for or tried harder to accept lonely, socially awkward people. Well, I obviously get what you are trying to say, I just don't complete agree with it. Yes, I don't talk to incels for obvious reasons, the closest I've ever been to having a conversation with an incel is probably quoting some stupid comment they've posted on some popular website. Also they are a pretty "loud" group in general, I'm pretty sure that in nearly every comment section on nearly every website there will be at least one of them repeating the same stuff you described accompanied by some sort of hate speech most of the time so you don't really need to join incel boards and "interrogate" them one by one. ---- Yes, many of them claim they've been rejected thousands of times, that literally every girl they've tried to talk to has ignored them instantly, that they are ugly and poor and only attractive or rich guys get laid, etc. First of all anyone who has managed to get a girlfriend or get laid will immediately tell that all of this is bullshit. A society where the average looking guy gets rejected by 10 000 average girls on average before he is finally able to find a partner, wouldn't be able to survive for long, let alone keep its population growing. Incels are saying that they are "ugly" as a pure excuse, if you look at the world around you chances are far less attractive guys are getting laid on a regular basis. Second, I don't know if even I have talked to a that large number of women in my lifetime. Like where do you even find those thousands of girls to make your instant rejection record that high? It is an obvious exaggeration, even 100 would be pretty hard to believe, I would say that the average incel has probably tried just several times at best. As I previously said many of them probably haven't tried at all or maybe just once despite what they claim. Of course there might be some exceptions, just not the majority of incels. And no, you don't have to be rich, many incels say "I don't have a job". Having a job and being rich are completely different things. Yes, it's hard to be in a relationship if you have literally no income, find a job. ---- "People don't want to acknowledge that the reason behind their sexual success is just pure luck" No. This is flawed logic that won't take you very far. Obviously there is a "luck" factor in nearly everything, but you can make yourself less dependent on it by doing things that will increase your chances of success or just by working harder and trying again and again. ---- Your third point isn't that bad to be honest. "it could have been prevented if we had more sympathy for or tried harder to accept lonely, socially awkward people." The problem is that according to these incels most of them don't just struggle to find a girlfriend. They also don't have any female friends or in many cases friends at all yet they claim their biggest problem is "not getting laid". Maybe if you don't think of girls as walking onaholes and actually try to socialize with people instead of playing the victim in order to make them feel sorry for you and hoping they'll let you have sex with them out of pity, your chances will improve. Maybe even forget about girls, find some non-incel guy friends first because your social awkwardness won't disappear if all you do is sitting in front of your PC and crying on the internet about your problems and how cruel society is, etc. Also "tried harder to accept socially awkward people". The problem is that you cannot force people to be your friends, girlfriends, etc. with some sort of "incel acceptance" movement. I don't think that even the socially awkward person would be happy if they knew that people are doing this just because they pity him or her. When you are in a friends circle or maybe any group of people you want to feel as if you are equal and you truly belong there. Yes, I don't like making fun of or harassing people anymore but I believe it would be far healthier for both sides if they let the person find his own way and people who are able to truly understand him and make him happy rather than blindly "accepting" him and treating him like an actual retard as you are suggesting. Simply giving advises, criticizing certain behaviors and guiding him would be a lot more helpful than forcing themselves to be his "friends". So you read what they had to say and determined they were just lying? The fact that you can't comprehend approaching a hundred or more girls just shows that you've been lucky. Very lucky actually. I've probably approached around 400-500 girls in my life. If you keep approaching girls and failing then you can approach a lot in your life time. Say you go out to a nightclub or bar every other week, that's 26 times a year. You approach approximately 5 girls every time, a reasonable number if you're failing a lot. That's 130 girls per year just at nightclubs. Over the course of a few years, someone could have easily approached hundreds of girls. 10,000+ girls might be a bit of a stretch, I don't know if they've approached thousands either. It could be possible but unlikely, however, I don't find it at all hard to believe they could've approached hundreds. And one would think that upon approaching hundreds of girls, you should have some successes. It makes sense one would lose hope after approaching hundreds of girls with no successes. Having sex or not having sex mostly comes down to dumb luck. There are things you can do to improve your odds but your ultimate success has to do with what you were born with and having life experiences that give you the personality of someone who can have sex. |
| Signature removed. Please follow the signature rules, as defined in the Site & Forum Guidelines. |
Psajdak said: Lower your expectations if you want to be happy. Like woman's doesn't have high standards these days. |
Ryuk9428 said: The fact that you can't comprehend approaching a hundred or more girls just shows that you've been lucky. Very lucky actually. I've probably approached around 400-500 girls in my life. If you keep approaching girls and failing then you can approach a lot in your life time. Say you go out to a nightclub or bar every other week, that's 26 times a year. You approach approximately 5 girls every time, a reasonable number if you're failing a lot. That's 130 girls per year just at nightclubs. Over the course of a few years, someone could have easily approached hundreds of girls. Sounds like they ought to have figured out what they're doing wrong by that point. |
 |
Scud said: Ryuk9428 said: The fact that you can't comprehend approaching a hundred or more girls just shows that you've been lucky. Very lucky actually. I've probably approached around 400-500 girls in my life. If you keep approaching girls and failing then you can approach a lot in your life time. Say you go out to a nightclub or bar every other week, that's 26 times a year. You approach approximately 5 girls every time, a reasonable number if you're failing a lot. That's 130 girls per year just at nightclubs. Over the course of a few years, someone could have easily approached hundreds of girls. Sounds like they ought to have figured out what they're doing wrong by that point. How are you supposed to know what you're doing wrong? Whenever I do have success, I can't even tell what I did right. I have no idea what I'm doing wrong or right. You'd think I'd have picked up on some sort of pattern. Nah, there isn't one. Its completely unpredictable, sometimes I make out with four girls in the same night and other times, I go six months without so much as touching a girl. |
| Signature removed. Please follow the signature rules, as defined in the Site & Forum Guidelines. |
| I think I can offer an interesting perspective on this. I am in my early thirties, currently MGTOW though I don't go around talking about it like an identity, even when talking about the subject I don't often use the term due to certain connotations, but on a simple level, I am a guy who doesn't bother seeking romantic relationships so technically MGTOW. I have at points in my life been an incel but I've also been in relationships too. There are several reasons I don't seek romance anymore. It's time investment and a gamble. I'm a very particular person, introverted and happy to be by myself most of the time. That said I'm competent socially when I need to be, such as with my job, I just find it draining. I have a number of old friends I don't see much anymore but they're there when I get the itch to socialize which is rare. Because of these aspects of my personality, if I want to find real romance, I need a very specific type of girl, so the chances of me finding the right one is low. I don't want to waste anymore time with relationships that go nowhere. While it is better to have love and lost than never to have loved at all... once is enough. I have loved and lost, multiple times. Experience ticked off the bucket list. I love the idea of romance. I love watching romance stories. But I think it's a pipe dream. I see watching romance stories like people see watching nature documentaries. Going oneself has all sorts of risks and hassle and it damn well won't look as good when you get there. Sure, for some people who really can't live without intimate, physical human connection, the comprimise that is the reality most relationships actually are is worth it. But from where I stand... I see a lot of people that look like drug addicts. They can't give up the high they get from being in a relationship, but they are made miserable by how unhealthy that relationship truly is. There are so many people who have just settled. They aren't particularly happy, but they need that intimacy. The other thing that makes romantic relationships addicting is the social status aspect. This is another reason I'm not really bothered, because I don't care for social status, but there are tons of people (especially men) who source a huge amount of self-worth from the fact they have a partner. I had to laugh the other day at a Twitter post from a woman complaining of having been a 'trophy wife'. I had to say 'listen darling, all wives are trophy wives, to varying degrees'. Then there's other stuff which makes it even harder. Women quite rightly expect their men to be men, have high social status which includes money and to look after them. I don't see this as a problem. Men seek young, fertile girls. The ideal is pure and virginal, even though this element of male psyche gets unnecesarily demonized nowadays for dumb reasons, it's true. But men have every right ask that women work hard on their looks as women have every right to ask men to work hard at their job. Some people say that it's unfair on women because they can't control their age, they're just doomed to lose value over time. But as long as they are young, women just need to eat right, exercise and take care of themselves in general - stuff which everyone should do anyway. Men have to do the same in addition to working their ass off to make lots of money and achieve social status. Probably a case of grass is always greener, but I often wish the roles were reversed. My point here is that I have no desire to get social status so most high value women are off-limits to me. Also, the most physicallly desirable women (in their late teens) are also off-limits to me due to dumb social stigma. So that even further reduces the chances of finding a the right girl. Which goes back to my original point. I could invest alot of time and not find the right girl, even worse, I could find a girl who is good enough and settle, living a life where I'm not as happy as I could be because I can't give up the drug. This almost happened to me once with the last relationship. As to how this relates to Otaku culture, it's very simple. If one is living the single life, they still have sexual urges, in fact they probably have stronger sexual urges as they are in a perpetual state of slight sexual frustration. This isn't really a problem, but it means most of these sorts of guys will see sexual imagery as a more important part of entertaiment as they're always a little horny. Otaku culture is born from Japanese mgtow/incel culture. The heavy amount of seuxal contnet and imagery is makes a perfect media for single guys. Simple as that. I acutally think indulging in light sexual content is the healthiest way to deal with that low-level sexual frustration. There are other ways some guys go which are very unhealthy: Porn addiction, and the reverse where some guys become these strange caricatures of old religious puritanism, constantly avoiding sexual content and complaining about it in anime. That second group I can do without. I think sex is very artistic and the way anime and otaku media at large embraces sexuality in an artistic way is awesome. Stuff like Monogatari is a shining example of wonderful piece of art that has an extremely sex-positive message with it's libeal, unpretentious celebration of the female form. This turned in to one long ass post. If you got to the end, thanks for reading. |
| “In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.” -Friedrich Nietzsche Aggregate scoring is bad for the anime fandom |
| Let's do some fact checks. Ryuk9428 said: Wrong statistic; most of the residents in Saudi Arabia are expats. As such the rest is also wrong.You have about 15 million men and 15 million women in Saudi Arabia. 500,000 Saudi men are polygamous. That comes out to 3.33% of the population. This means at the very least, 1 million women have been taken as wives. There are a limited number and if a few men marry multiple women, then by necessity, there are going to be less women available for marriage. There is no necessity because Saudi Arabia borders 9 other different countries with different values towards polygamy.Nothing I say is pseudo science. I've spent many more hours researching this topic than you could possibly comprehend. This topic is new to you because I just presented the theory? I've been researching the social fabrics of various historical societies and noticing the link between sexual frustration and violence in my spare time for almost 7 years now. And none of that 7 years have been done to adequately learn that populations, in essence, are not static. Time well wasted.Ancient societies were characterized by polygamy where the richest and most powerful men had no limits on the number of wives they could have. Upon entering marriage, women in ancient societies were under strict rules to never stray. Adultery was punishable by stoning them to death, and many women were locked away in palaces. Saudi Arabia right now is a mild version of what civilization had looked like for thousands of years until Christianity started enforcing monogamy. 8,000 years ago, a male trying to reproduce was 4 times less likely to be successful than a male in the modern age is. Another downfall. Powerful people such as tribe leader, kings, emperors, and all those statuses are not permanent. The notion of a coup d'etat is instinctive to anyone who feels oppressed by other powerful identities. Thus again, you fail to recognize the dynamic nature of the status of power. An extra fact: Humans transcended the idea of: powerful person = he's in charge. Humans can coordinate in groups, much like any other organism. Good communicators are equally important. What did the medieval kings have anything more than fancy rhetoric and persuasion?The worldwide homicide rate was estimated to be between 100-150 people per 100,000 compared to the US today which has a homicide rate of 5 per 100,000. Different conditions, different outcomes.Contrary to some people's belief, Christian Europe during the Middle Ages was actually significantly less violent than any societies before were. They may be less violent, but they were much more barbaric and dogmatic towards the Church.@Luchse75 You still don't get the point. I brought up the scientific method because it is a reliable way to test hypotheses. People typing on keyboards what they feel do not equate to that, simply. You can say valid conjectures, but they are not necessarily true. |
| @YossaRedMage Eh that's not quite MGTOW. Since MGTOW is more ideological than a personal choice and goes beyond just not seeking romantic relationships but avoiding as much relation and trust to females as possible out of spite. |
| ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⣸⠋⠀⠀⠀⡄⠀⠀⡔⠀⢀⠀⢸⠀⠀⠀⡘⡰⠁⠘⡀⠀⠀⢠⠀⠀⠀⢸⠀⠀⢸⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠁⠀⣀⠀⠀⡇⠀⡜⠈⠁⠀⢸⡈⢇⠀⠀⢣⠑⠢⢄⣇⠀⠀⠸⠀⠀⠀⢸⠀⠀⢸⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⢰⡟⡀⠀⡇⡜⠀⠀⠀⠀⠘⡇⠈⢆⢰⠁⠀⠀⠀⠘⣆⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠸⠀⠀⡄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠤⢄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⡼⠀⣧⠀⢿⢠⣤⣤⣬⣥⠀⠁⠀⠀⠛⢀⡒⠀⠀⠀⠘⡆⡆⠀⠀⠀⡇⠀⠀⠇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⢵⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⡰⠀⢠⠃⠱⣼⡀⣀⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⠛⠳⠶⠶⠆⡸⢀⡀⣀⢰⠀⠀⢸ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⣀⣀⣀⠄⠀⠉⠁⠀⠀⢠⠃⢀⠎⠀⠀⣼⠋⠉⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠴⠢⢄⡔⣕⡍⠣⣱⢸⠀⠀⢷⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⡰⠃⢀⠎⠀⠀⡜⡨⢢⡀⠀⠀⠀⠐⣄⠀⠀⣠⠀⠀⠀⠐⢛⠽⠗⠁⠀⠁⠊⠀⡜⠸⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⢀⠔⣁⡴⠃⠀⡠⡪⠊⣠⣾⣟⣷⡦⠤⣀⡈⠁⠉⢀⣀⡠⢔⠊⠁⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⡤⡗⢀⠇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⢀⣠⠴⢑⡨⠊⡀⠤⠚⢉⣴⣾⣿⡿⣾⣿⡇⠀⠹⣻⠛⠉⠉⢀⠠⠺⠀⠀⡀⢄⣴⣾⣧⣞⠀⡜⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠐⠒⣉⠠⠄⡂⠅⠊⠁⠀⠀⣴⣿⣿⣿⣿⣻⣿⣿⡇⠀⠀⢠⣷⣮⡍⡠⠔⢉⡇⡠⠋⠁⠀⣿⣿⣿⣿⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀ |
CondemneDio said: I don't have an idea what people are talking about here. What the hell is a megatow, or am I too old for this shit? Im laughing my fucking ass off. thank you. |
Ryuk9428 said: Seiya said: That's sounds a lot like something a liberal feminist would say. Calling people "losers" isn't going to help anyone. If you don't want more people taking up these types of mindsets, then maybe you need to realize that perhaps "society" as a whole is to blame for it. The feminist/SJW reaction to incels is a major reason I completely lost all respect for that ideology. The SJW crowd loves to claim that they are the champions of the weak and the oppressed, they make excuses for people who's behavior is toxic all the time. Muslim terrorists, black and Hispanic gangsters. They'll make excuses for any non-white or female person behaving like a complete asshole but as soon as white, straight men, have any issues, its because they were born evil and all their badness just comes from a sense of privilege. They showed their true colors when they were so eager to look down on and gleefully call incels losers. They showed that they don't give a shit about protecting the weak, the downtrodden, or preventing people from ending up in a situation like that. all they care about is propelling their own group's social status and giving them advantages in society, whether they be a woman, a black person, or gay. They'll say that a BLM guy who shot several cops did it because of systematic oppression but they refuse to acknowledge the role bullying and loneliness plays in creating incels. Imagine still trying to blame SJWs for anything. |
genesic123 said: God damn it. This is not a petty personal issue. It is not both sides. women are the problem,because they dont have consequences for their bad behavoir. Men are not given their fair shake.That is why there are men choose to not help or associate with woman.Mgtow is simply not choosing to play a rigged game. do you actually think the system is anyway rigged against men? lmao |
Ryuk9428 said: 149597871 said: Well, I obviously get what you are trying to say, I just don't complete agree with it. Yes, I don't talk to incels for obvious reasons, the closest I've ever been to having a conversation with an incel is probably quoting some stupid comment they've posted on some popular website. Also they are a pretty "loud" group in general, I'm pretty sure that in nearly every comment section on nearly every website there will be at least one of them repeating the same stuff you described accompanied by some sort of hate speech most of the time so you don't really need to join incel boards and "interrogate" them one by one. ---- Yes, many of them claim they've been rejected thousands of times, that literally every girl they've tried to talk to has ignored them instantly, that they are ugly and poor and only attractive or rich guys get laid, etc. First of all anyone who has managed to get a girlfriend or get laid will immediately tell that all of this is bullshit. A society where the average looking guy gets rejected by 10 000 average girls on average before he is finally able to find a partner, wouldn't be able to survive for long, let alone keep its population growing. Incels are saying that they are "ugly" as a pure excuse, if you look at the world around you chances are far less attractive guys are getting laid on a regular basis. Second, I don't know if even I have talked to a that large number of women in my lifetime. Like where do you even find those thousands of girls to make your instant rejection record that high? It is an obvious exaggeration, even 100 would be pretty hard to believe, I would say that the average incel has probably tried just several times at best. As I previously said many of them probably haven't tried at all or maybe just once despite what they claim. Of course there might be some exceptions, just not the majority of incels. And no, you don't have to be rich, many incels say "I don't have a job". Having a job and being rich are completely different things. Yes, it's hard to be in a relationship if you have literally no income, find a job. ---- "People don't want to acknowledge that the reason behind their sexual success is just pure luck" No. This is flawed logic that won't take you very far. Obviously there is a "luck" factor in nearly everything, but you can make yourself less dependent on it by doing things that will increase your chances of success or just by working harder and trying again and again. ---- Your third point isn't that bad to be honest. "it could have been prevented if we had more sympathy for or tried harder to accept lonely, socially awkward people." The problem is that according to these incels most of them don't just struggle to find a girlfriend. They also don't have any female friends or in many cases friends at all yet they claim their biggest problem is "not getting laid". Maybe if you don't think of girls as walking onaholes and actually try to socialize with people instead of playing the victim in order to make them feel sorry for you and hoping they'll let you have sex with them out of pity, your chances will improve. Maybe even forget about girls, find some non-incel guy friends first because your social awkwardness won't disappear if all you do is sitting in front of your PC and crying on the internet about your problems and how cruel society is, etc. Also "tried harder to accept socially awkward people". The problem is that you cannot force people to be your friends, girlfriends, etc. with some sort of "incel acceptance" movement. I don't think that even the socially awkward person would be happy if they knew that people are doing this just because they pity him or her. When you are in a friends circle or maybe any group of people you want to feel as if you are equal and you truly belong there. Yes, I don't like making fun of or harassing people anymore but I believe it would be far healthier for both sides if they let the person find his own way and people who are able to truly understand him and make him happy rather than blindly "accepting" him and treating him like an actual retard as you are suggesting. Simply giving advises, criticizing certain behaviors and guiding him would be a lot more helpful than forcing themselves to be his "friends". So you read what they had to say and determined they were just lying? The fact that you can't comprehend approaching a hundred or more girls just shows that you've been lucky. Very lucky actually. I've probably approached around 400-500 girls in my life. If you keep approaching girls and failing then you can approach a lot in your life time. Say you go out to a nightclub or bar every other week, that's 26 times a year. You approach approximately 5 girls every time, a reasonable number if you're failing a lot. That's 130 girls per year just at nightclubs. Over the course of a few years, someone could have easily approached hundreds of girls. 10,000+ girls might be a bit of a stretch, I don't know if they've approached thousands either. It could be possible but unlikely, however, I don't find it at all hard to believe they could've approached hundreds. And one would think that upon approaching hundreds of girls, you should have some successes. It makes sense one would lose hope after approaching hundreds of girls with no successes. Having sex or not having sex mostly comes down to dumb luck. There are things you can do to improve your odds but your ultimate success has to do with what you were born with and having life experiences that give you the personality of someone who can have sex. I don't even go to clubs, I remember visiting a few back in the days. If you go the same club every week you'll start seeing familiar faces all the time, it is unreasonable to assume that every time there will be 5 new girls who are around your age and just by themselves. Also approaching 5 different girls per night seems a bit unrealistic to me even if all you get is rejection, but hey what do I know, as I said I don't even go to clubs anymore. Also the whole theory doesn't make sense. The chances of a girl saying yes are pretty high for the average guy under the right circumstances so the chances of being rejected by hundreds of girls in a row assuming that your behavior is adequate would be close to the chances of getting hit by a meteor and incels/MGTOW aren't a small group of people which makes the whole scenario even less plausible. Most likely it's at least one of these three: 1. They are lying 2. They are delusional 3. They are doing something very very wrong Either way focusing on things that do not depend on you while ignoring plenty of others that do is unwise. |
149597871Sep 1, 2019 10:46 PM
149597871 said: Ryuk9428 said: So you read what they had to say and determined they were just lying? The fact that you can't comprehend approaching a hundred or more girls just shows that you've been lucky. Very lucky actually. I've probably approached around 400-500 girls in my life. If you keep approaching girls and failing then you can approach a lot in your life time. Say you go out to a nightclub or bar every other week, that's 26 times a year. You approach approximately 5 girls every time, a reasonable number if you're failing a lot. That's 130 girls per year just at nightclubs. Over the course of a few years, someone could have easily approached hundreds of girls. 10,000+ girls might be a bit of a stretch, I don't know if they've approached thousands either. It could be possible but unlikely, however, I don't find it at all hard to believe they could've approached hundreds. And one would think that upon approaching hundreds of girls, you should have some successes. It makes sense one would lose hope after approaching hundreds of girls with no successes. Having sex or not having sex mostly comes down to dumb luck. There are things you can do to improve your odds but your ultimate success has to do with what you were born with and having life experiences that give you the personality of someone who can have sex. I don't even go to clubs, I remember visiting a few back in the days. If you go the same club every week you'll start seeing familiar faces all the time, it is unreasonable to assume that every time there will be 5 new girls who are around your age and just by themselves. Also approaching 5 different girls per night seems a bit unrealistic to me even if all you get is rejection, but hey what do I know, as I said I don't even go to clubs anymore. Also the whole theory doesn't make sense. The chances of a girl saying yes are pretty high for the average guy under the right circumstances so the chances of being rejected by hundreds of girls in a row assuming that your behavior is adequate would be close to the chances of getting hit by a meteor and incels/MGTOW aren't a small group of people which makes the whole scenario even less plausible. Most likely it's at least one of these three: 1. They are lying 2. They are delusional 3. They are doing something very very wrong Either way focusing on things that do not depend on you while ignoring plenty of others that do is unwise. The chances are not high for average guys, not even close. Idk what you've been smoking this evening but even the fuckboy types wouldn't say the chances of her saying yes are high. The guys who get laid a lot often talk about it being a numbers game where you simply accept that you will get a shit ton of rejections and move on. Again, you're very lucky if you have a hard time understanding how its possible to get rejected by hundreds of girls. For most of the guys I know who are decent looking but not great looking, getting rejected by dozens of girls before finding one who will say yes is an expected part of the dating scene. Sometimes rejection can happen very fast. Sometimes you walk up to girls and try to talk to them and they give an overwhelming vibe of "why the fuck is this guy talking to me? Go away." If 80-90% of having sex is based on luck, how can we blame people for having trouble getting sex? It means for the most part, it isn't their fault. They just had bad luck. From what I've seen, the guys who can have sex aren't trying all that hard and most have no idea what they're doing either. They disguise their good luck with statements like "its natural" or "it just happens naturally." These guys didn't do jack shit, they just happened to meet the right girl at the right time. Which, is luck. |
| Signature removed. Please follow the signature rules, as defined in the Site & Forum Guidelines. |
| @Yarub It doesn't matter how many immigrants there are. The population pyramid actually shows that there's more men than women in Saudi Arabia, especially in the younger age bracket, that's all that matters. I was being generous by claiming it was half and half. Well we're not talking about those 9 other countries. We're talking about Saudi Arabia. If you're poor and part of the underclass in Saudi Arabia, there's a decent chance that you are completely fucked and will have no way of getting a wife. You're just bringing up irrelevant things and pretending it supports your argument. The only thing that could've disproved my argument that there aren't enough marriageable women in Saudi Arabia as a result of polygamy would've been to show that there's more women than men in Saudi Arabia, which, is not the case. In-fact, even if Saudi Arabia was strictly monogamous, there still wouldn't quite be enough women so polygamy is making the problem much bigger than it needs to be. Nothing in that paragraph disproves anything I said. Yeah, people in power get killed sometimes, far more often by other people with power than by the powerless. Often in Ancient times, the women in a harem of a rich or powerful man were actually expected to kill themselves in the event that the man dies so if you were trying to insinuate that those women would be free now to marry peasant farmers. No, they'd either kill themselves, be killed by the guy who wanted their husband dead, or be taken by another rich dude. People in Ancient times were just barbaric and dogmatic towards different people. Often times, the king himself claimed to be a god and demanded worship. There was no rule of law, and absolutely nothing controlled the power of kings back then. They could do whatever the fuck they wanted and if anyone objected, you got beheaded. Kings in Medieval Times had to answer to the church, and subconsciously had to answer to God. Ancient kings answered to no one. Now Ancient Greece would've actually been an exception to this. Ancient Athens was democratic and people there did question authority. They would've been the one exception. But people in Ancient Babylon, Assyria, China, or other such places were usually living under extremely despotic rulers. Sometimes you got lucky and the king was a nice guy, but that was usually not the case. Christian Europe in the Middle Ages may have actually been one of the most decentralized eras of human history. Medieval kings didn't have a lot of impact on average peasants. The local lord was usually the one you thought of as your ruler. Medieval kings were actually limited a lot in their power by the feudal system. Because of Christian ethics though, Medieval lords and kings could not actually take multiple wives in marriage, they were bound by monogamy. Now, rich men can still do what they want in regards to sex. That applies today as well. So plenty of them indulged in prostitutes, mistresses, or concubines on the side. So its not like they were all sinless or whatever, but the key difference here is that they couldn't lock those women down. A prostitute or a mistress could fuck the king one evening and then fuck his squire the next evening. Medieval kings would not have desired to possess prostitutes or mistresses as they were seen as sinful and not worthy of being wifely material. Only one woman was truly locked down and off limits to anyone else. Now, if the king's wife cheated on him, she likely would be killed. Not a "good" system obviously, but like I said, compared to the previous one, it was a huge improvement. |
Ryuk9428Sep 2, 2019 12:49 AM
| Signature removed. Please follow the signature rules, as defined in the Site & Forum Guidelines. |
Ryuk9428 said: Hmm, never made friends with the opposite sex? What are you saying? That *I* never made friends with the opposite sex? o.O Most of my friends are the opposite sex. Get rekt, n00b. Ryuk9428 said: Ever heard of the friend zone? Only losers remain stuck in the friend zone despite wanting out. (I mean in general, not in respect to a specific individual, since a given person may never want you.) Nearly everyone I dated was a friend first. Ryuk9428 said: Being friends with the opposite sex does increase your chances, no doubt about that, but its no guarantee. The point is for people to get used to interacting with them. Many are not comfortable with them at all, and that is a major roadblock. Ryuk9428 said: I'm sorry but if you're a woman, bisexual, or gay then that completely explains why you think its easy. In all my conversations with women on this issue, they've consistently shown with only rare exceptions that they have no idea how difficult it is for the average guy who is only interested in girls to get laid. Living as a woman is like living in a 24/7 brothel where the hookers actually pay you or lavish you with gifts to have sex with them. A female friend of mine saw your post and shared some of her thoughts with me: Some parts of his reply made me laugh out loud. “Living as a woman is like living in a 24/7 brothel where the hookers actually pay you or lavish you with gifts to have sex with them.” Damn. This “living as a woman” thing sounds great! Where do I sign up? Also: >Says that women, bi, and gay people will never understand what it’s like to be a straight man in the dating scene >proceeds to tell everybody in the thread what it’s like to be a woman in the dating scene. Because Ryuk, a straight man in the dating scene, is totally qualified to tell us what it’s like for us (a straight woman and a bi man) in the dating scene. However, we’re not able to say what’s it’s like for him? Lmao. Okay, man. Ryuk9428 said: Most girls reject way more people than they ever have sex with. They have to. They take on considerably more physical risk due to this thing called pregnancy. At any rate, I've done the same thing. It's kind of how it works when you're a sexy beast. >:D Ryuk9428 said: Its so absurdly easy to get sex as a woman that I am not surprised that its difficult for them to comprehend how difficult it really is for straight guys. That's why so many girls think all you need is to just be around the opposite sex and "it will just happen," (while still denying that its all luck based). Okay, since you bothered typing up all this, I'll tell you that I am a straight guy in his early thirties. heh. And it's fucking easy. ;) Ryuk9428 said: Some incel guys actually go only for other men because they can't get girls. Didn't, not can't. -__- Ryuk9428 said: Its called " taking the gay pill" because its well known that its way way easier to fuck other guys than it is to fuck girls. I actually saw one person online claim to be an incel when he only went for girls, he decided to switch teams and go for guys, and said there were so many guys interested in fucking him that he started behaving the way women do in regards to pickiness and only being interested in the top percentage of men who were after him. ...No comment. Oh, I actually do have one word of advice here: Its is a possessive pronoun. It's is a contraction meaning it is. Learn the difference. The first attempt at teaching you this took place in elementary school. Ryuk9428 said: I will say that some lesbians who act kind of like men do have a pretty good idea of how difficult it is. I talked with one lesbian online who was like that. In many ways her behavior was indistinguishable from your typical horny guy. She would go to bars and nightclubs to try and pickup girls, she was a big fan of hookers, traveled around the country to find the best strip clubs for the purpose of finding extras, hired prostitutes online to have sex with. I asked her if she felt that women were difficult to pickup and she said "absolutely, I have a lot of sympathy for men. Girls should come with a manual." Even she acknowledged, however, that because she was a woman and not a man that she had it a little bit easier because of the inherent trust that women give each other and the invitations into their personal space that isn't given to men nearly as easily. Eh...I think the entire attitude of using people for sex is part of the problem. You can indeed get all kinds of casual sex. For some, it's easier than the alternative of erecting (oh-ho-ho! I went there...) a real relationship. But I really do think the latter option is far superior. Ryuk9428 said: You absolutely can be involuntarily friendless, its just less common than sexlessness because its a lot easier to make friends than find sex partners.  You do not comprehend the concept of involuntary. It doesn't simply mean you do not want to be in a situation. Sheesh. It's like you didn't read a word I said. Here are some definitions. "done without will or conscious control" "done against someone's will; compulsory" "done contrary to or without choice" "an involuntary movement, sound, or reaction is made suddenly and in a way that you cannot control" "Involuntary describes a reflex or action done without conscious control or will — like a blink, a sneeze, a yawn, or “the giggles.”" "If you volunteered to do it, it’s voluntary. If you didn’t volunteer, but you find yourself doing it anyway, it’s involuntary." It refers to an action that occurs without your consent or control. It does not refer to something that does not occur, ie the absence of something. If you do not have friends, you voluntarily made decisions that resulted in not having them. (And more importantly, did not take the right actions. Inaction is also a voluntary choice.) Every necessary action involved in becoming friends with someone is voluntary. I repeat: If you do not have friends, you voluntarily made the decision to not go out and get them. And regardless, as I just explained, the absence of friends, by definition, cannot be involuntary. (Unless you are in a situation that makes it physically impossible.) The same logic applies to consensual sex. Ryuk9428 said: That's where I say you're lucky, how you are treated really isn't dependent on how you treat others. I mean, how detached from the real world are you to think this? I said largely dependent, not entirely dependent. Do you even read, bruh? If you go around yelling at and hitting people, you are not going to have a good time. More often than not, if you're civil to others, others will be civil to you. I mean, how oblivious to reality do you have to be to not grasp this basic fact? Ryuk9428 said: All nice people just have it easy with others, nobody who gets bullied doesn't deserve it. If anything, nice people are more likely to get treated like shit because lots of people think they're weak and easy to take advantage of. You can be kind but strong. You don't have to be overly nice like Shirou Emiya, doing favors for anyone who asks. Ryuk9428 said: Yes, whether or not you can have sex is 80-90% dependent on luck. Oh brother...you're just reiterating the same falsehoods. Ryuk9428 said: You can do things that will almost surely cripple you, but you can't do anything to guarantee your success. Finally...a true statement. Of course there are no guarantees. That's why you must continue striving in order to reach a goal. Ryuk9428 said: Going to the gym and getting buff can help, but it won't guarantee anything, I used be be ripped (thanks to working out constantly during some of my teenage years), but was never buff. I've always been slender. Becoming stronger has many benefits...but yes...no guarantees. In my experience, no one I've been interested in required I be buff. Physical strength had nothing to do with it. Inner strength is what matters. If you meet someone who exclusively dates big, muscular guys, they're probably not worth your time. Ryuk9428 said: that's why gymcels exist, making friends with the opposite sex helps, but plenty of incelish guys have female friends and it didn't help them, I bet it's because of their awful (or maybe just weak) personalities and negative attitudes. Ryuk9428 said: buying an online course in seduction can help some, but it fails many more. The information didn't fail them; they failed themselves. Again, this is not the responsibility of anyone or anything but the individual. On that note, one good thing taught in David DeAngelo's Double Your Dating programs (and his free newsletter) is being cocky and funny. (His real name is Eben Pagan. He's an entrepreneur who generated over a hundred million dollars in online sales. His personal net worth is much lower, however.) Being too cocky or too silly on their own aren't so effective, but the right balance is magic. I'm naturally cocky and funny, so that's part of why I don't have a problem. The other part is because I'm not a whiny little bitch. Ryuk9428 said: Almost everything that allows you to have sex is something you were born with. Genitals are what allow you to have sex...and they are something you were born with. You are not born with the personal qualities involved in building relationships; you hone them over time, developing social skills and so on. You're just making excuses, acting like because they didn't succeed yet, success is impossible...and that couldn't be further from the truth. Ryuk9428 said: You took all my "yous" as meaning you personally when I really meant "you" in the broad sense. If I recall, you're the one who did that. (I don't care enough to go back and double-check.) I have been (mostly) speaking in the broad sense the entire time. Ryuk9428 said: Somebody who can have sex will almost certainly be born with decent or good looks. If you have functioning genitals, you are somebody who can have sex. Ryuk9428 said: If you are born female or gay you are virtually guaranteed to have a decent sex life in your future. Not even close. Given the sheer dosage of baseless, irrational, poisonous claims you've injected, I'm concerned about you. Ryuk9428 said: Even ugly girls can have a lot of sex these days. Ugly guys do it too. (Hell, I think most guys are ugly as shit.) Get over yourself. Ryuk9428 said: A person who can have sex will likely have been born without mental illness. Many mental illnesses are mild. Most do not prevent someone from having sex. Ryuk9428 said: A person who can have sex will have been lucky enough to have mostly positive encounters with other people instead of negative ones, and thus, not develop an anxious or anti-social personality.  Goddamn. Now I know you're not actually reading everything I say. I told you I had tons of negative encounters (I've even been tortured), yet didn't become a pussy. If anything, it is those very things that made me a stronger person. Ryuk9428 said: There is virtually nothing you can do except improve your odds a bit. That's it. Practically everything in human behavior comes down to probability. There is virtually nothing you can do for pretty much anything except improve your odds, so this isn't meaningful. Ryuk9428 said: You can improve your odds by going out places, you can improve your odds by trying to socialize. You can improve your odds by going to the gym. The biggest thing you can do is get a good job that pays well. And as I said, visiting hookers will indirectly improve your odds because it'll make you somewhat satisfied and you will give off the vibe of someone who has sex sometimes instead of the incel vibe. None of these things guarantee, however, that you will improve your situation. Many guys have tried all of these and still failed. And then they gave up...which is the surefire way to fail and be a loser. Ryuk9428 said: Whether you ultimately succeed or not is based on whether nature decides to let you. You have not demonstrated this (in my opinion retarded) claim to be valid. Ryuk9428 said: Way to quote a very small part of that passage and ignore context. Nah, I responded to what you said: "Tell me how you actually got laid and I feel like hardly anyone can do it." Ryuk9428 said: I said hardly any guy finds it easy to pickup girls, not that hardly any guy does have sex. No, you said: "Tell me how you actually got laid and I feel like hardly anyone can do it." It's easy for many, many guys, whether you believe it or not. (But "picking up girls" shouldn't even be the objective. Keep reading.) Ryuk9428 said: Most guys can manage to do it if they go out to bars and nightclubs frequently and if they put all their effort into socializing and simply the sheer quantity of social situations they are in will eventually result in them finding somebody. There ya go! You just admitted you were wrong. Great job, buddy. We're social creatures. Being social is key to so many human endeavors. Bars and nightclubs are for low-hanging fruit (low-class people...yup...and I ain't talkin' 'bout money), but hey, it's a start. Ryuk9428 said: However, hardly any guy can just walk out of their house, go to a nightclub or bar, and find somebody to have sex with within two or three tries. Okay, I agree with this one. That's fairly obvious. But...you did not specify this in your original statement: "Tell me how you actually got laid and I feel like hardly anyone can do it." (Nor any of the surrounding ones.) How does it feel to be confronted with your own folly? Bow to my analytical weaponry. Unworthy opponents. Fear my skills! (Borderlands 2 reference. Responding to you and wading through the swamp of BS is so draining I thought I'd have some Trump-free fun.) Ryuk9428 said: People should feel entitled to a decent life when the resources of prosperous, first world countries are as high as they are. Funny how we are more likely to defend people living a life of debauchery with 100+ different partners if they can manage it than we are to say an incel should be allowed to have just one person. What does "should be allowed to" mean, though? State-sanctioned sex slaves? XD You're legally allowed to have sex with consenting individuals above the age of consent. Whether you do so is your responsibility, not society's. You are not entitled to sex. You're not entitled to anything, punk. Ryuk9428 said: Having an active, regular sex life is part of having a decent life. If you say so. My life is freaking awesome and I'm not wild and crazy like I was when I was younger. For me, having the freedom to do whatever I want with my time (which lately is mostly playing Borderlands 2) makes my life more than decent. Sex is overrated. Ryuk9428 said: Making people go through inceldom is just cruel. No one made them do that...they made themselves do that by not doing what it takes, especially pertaining to giving up before achieving success. Ryuk9428 said: I'd say ignoring that is almost as bad as ignoring people who are starving on the streets and saying that its just their fault they can't find food. Equating feeding dead life forms to the homeless to giving incels sex...apparently via rape, no less...smh... Let's face it: the reason someone who's fallen so far as to call themselves an incel doesn't have healthy relationships, even after supposedly trying so many times, is oftentimes because they're a sicko who people just don't want to be around. Even if they don't disclose their disgusting doctrines, women are perceptive and can pick up on something being off. Ryuk9428 said: If they find it impossible given the resources available to them, then its obvious that society doesn't have enough resources to help inceled men. I repeatedly told you it is the individual's responsibility to get what they want. Don't ask of society what society has no obligation (or capability) to provide. It has little to do with resources, in the context of those who have the necessities. Even those without them get laid too. Birth rates in third world countries are higher, ya know. And for the last time, something not happening yet does not make it impossible. Something so simple is not remotely comparable to impossible. At this point I feel like I'm talking to a spoiled child. It's a shame, because you're not nearly as deluded when it comes to numerous other topics. Use that creative noggin of yours to reach a higher level of consciousness and don't get pulled down by a lifestyle of non sequiturs. Ryuk9428 said: Or perhaps there are trends and behaviors of people in our society that create incels. Perhaps there are factors that cause [insert anything here] to happen...yes, yes, moving on... Ryuk9428 said: I guarantee you if this was a problem that only women faced, we'd be hearing about it day and night and people would find a solution for them. And here we go again with the mindset that women somehow rule over men. My gosh, this is toxic. Ryuk9428 said: In my opinion, sex robots will probably be the best solution. But of course feminazis want to ban them and claim they "degrade women." That would be nothing more than masturbation with a sex toy. You already covered the downsides of that. Additionally, it would only twist the proper nature of relationships and make it more awkward for them to interact with women. (If your partner's only use is being humped, that's...not good.) Ryuk9428 said: All the things in your article which are debatable war crimes If you think detonating nuclear weapons over cities and killing hundreds of thousands of people (mostly civilians) isn't a war crime, or at the very least an inexcusable crime against humanity, then you can fuck off. Ryuk9428 said: have to do with the treatment of enemy prisoners or happened in the distant past. Nothing from WW2 or the Phillipines war counts. We're talking about today, the 21st century. If it did not happen in the 21st century then its a moot point. There is nothing saying "US troops stormed into Afghani village and slaughtered all the residents." Okay then...how about (in some cases illegal by international law) wars of aggression, invading nations (when they had not invaded the US) and slaughtering millions of human beings? I don't care whether it's technically a war crime; it is a crime against humanity. Ryuk9428 said: So you read what they had to say and determined they were just lying? The fact that you can't comprehend approaching a hundred or more girls just shows that you've been lucky. Very lucky actually. I've probably approached around 400-500 girls in my life. If you keep approaching girls and failing then you can approach a lot in your life time. Say you go out to a nightclub or bar every other week, that's 26 times a year. You approach approximately 5 girls every time, a reasonable number if you're failing a lot. That's 130 girls per year just at nightclubs. Over the course of a few years, someone could have easily approached hundreds of girls. 10,000+ girls might be a bit of a stretch, I don't know if they've approached thousands either. It could be possible but unlikely, however, I don't find it at all hard to believe they could've approached hundreds. And one would think that upon approaching hundreds of girls, you should have some successes. It makes sense one would lose hope after approaching hundreds of girls with no successes.  Ryuk9428 said: Having sex or not having sex mostly comes down to dumb luck.  Ryuk9428 said: There are things you can do to improve your odds but your ultimate success has to do with what you were born with and having life experiences that give you the personality of someone who can have sex. Do tell...what is "the personality of someone who can have sex"? lmao... People with every type of personality have done it, so this is just more delusional rambling. Ryuk9428 said: How are you supposed to know what you're doing wrong? Whenever I do have success, I can't even tell what I did right. I have no idea what I'm doing wrong or right. You'd think I'd have picked up on some sort of pattern. Nah, there isn't one. Its completely unpredictable, You may just not be very self-aware. In retrospect, the reasons most events in my life came to pass are plainly apparent. Ryuk9428 said: sometimes I make out with four girls in the same night  Ryuk9428 said: and other times, I go six months without so much as touching a girl. I find it laughable that you would do that, yet have no clue what you were doing wrong. You weren't taking action, silly Ryuk!  By the way, this playful teasing thing I do...it's like catnip. Chicks go crazy over it. There's your free tip of the week. But you need a corresponding good (think positive and strong-willed) personality to go along with it. (Like gas plus an engine. And yes, you can always improve your personality. And no, I'm not divulging my "good material" in the category of playful teasing lines to use. The best ones are created in the moment anyway. Cum up with yer own quips, killa!) Ryuk9428 said: The chances are not high for average guys, not even close. Idk what you've been smoking this evening but even the fuckboy types wouldn't say the chances of her saying yes are high. String-of-numbers clearly said under the right circumstances. Skip over entire phrases and be prepared to eat your words. Ryuk9428 said: The guys who get laid a lot often talk about it being a numbers game where you simply accept that you will get a shit ton of rejections and move on. If you try to sleep with more people than you probably should, sure. I've had far more people express interest in me than I ever expressed in others. It's primarily because they liked my personality. (Or rather, the aspects of it I revealed.) I know this because I've acted lousy toward people other times under similar circumstances, and lo and behold, they didn't want to screw me. Funny how that works... In the 5th grade, when a new girl showed up, many of the guys agreed she was the hottest girl in the entire school. And she asked me out and became my first girlfriend. I know that label doesn't mean much when you're kids. One of her friends told me she (the GF, not her friend...lol) said she can't wait to have sex with me...but we were only nine or ten, so needless to say, that didn't happen. I'm sharing that story because the reason she was attracted to me was how confident and fun-loving I was. Those qualities are attractive and work well for a person throughout life. Ryuk9428 said: Again, you're very lucky if you have a hard time understanding how its possible to get rejected by hundreds of girls. For most of the guys I know who are decent looking but not great looking, getting rejected by dozens of girls before finding one who will say yes is an expected part of the dating scene. If (IF!) your very first question is whether they will have sex with you, it should come as no surprise that you are going to (and should) be rejected the majority of the time. I'll get back to this in the conclusion of this post. Ryuk9428 said: Sometimes rejection can happen very fast. Sometimes you walk up to girls and try to talk to them and they give an overwhelming vibe of "why the fuck is this guy talking to me? Go away." Work on your social skills and that won't happen so often. Ryuk9428 said: If 80-90% of having sex is based on luck, It's not, fuckboi. Prove it or GTFO. Ryuk9428 said: how can we blame people for having trouble getting sex? It means for the most part, it isn't their fault. They just had bad luck. Perhaps for a particular instance. But if you frequently interact with hundreds of members of the opposite sex (around your age group) and none of them are willing to get naughty, I guarantee there is something wrong with you. Ryuk9428 said: From what I've seen, the guys who can have sex aren't trying all that hard and most have no idea what they're doing either. They disguise their good luck with statements like "its natural" or "it just happens naturally." These guys didn't do jack shit, they just happened to meet the right girl at the right time. Which, is luck.  For the sake of the One True Goddess Madoka Kaname, stop acting like everything boils down to luck. I would say it's the opposite, with most of it stemming from conscious action. Case in point: millions of guys who were poor, ugly, not bodybuilders, etc. still had plenty of sex, 'cause they went the distance. Take (sufficient) action, get action, capiche? Their own denial and desperation spawns the ruin of inceltards™.  (This is what I've decided to call those who think they are involuntarily celibate. Spread the meme, minions!)  Wanna know a secret? I never once had to ask someone to get naked with me or whatever, because it flowed naturally. And here's the kicker: I did not randomly approach people and beg for attention like a lost puppy. "Approach" is a suspicious word often used here. It does not elaborate what went down during the encounter, but almost seems to imply they approached them for the sole purpose of getting nooky and did a bad job concealing it. Your subconscious affects your conscious acts. If all you want is to smash and dash, it's entirely possible your target (see my subtle wording to guilt you for being such a reprobate?) could surmise your unwholesome intentions and fly the coop. Similarly, if you come up to people and proclaim, "Hey, wanna have sex?", of course that's not going to work out most of the time. Same goes for if you go too far too fast. Even asking someone out for a date soon after meeting them may not be the best idea if you aren't experienced. The safest route is to have a non-dramatic conversation, then if things hit off, get their contact info (like exchanging emails or phone numbers) without giving yourself too many opportunities for self-sabotage. So many women (including married ones; not that I'd do anything erotic with them) gave me their number without my asking, because we had a pleasant chat and they were comfortable enough to want to see me again. I wasn't even attracted to many of them, but enjoyed their company nonetheless. If you only want a quick fuck, your options are limited. I don't think that's a healthy approach (pun intended), so I'm not going to advise on that matter. This is why I emphasize building genuine relationships, whether they be platonic, romantic or what have you. If someone likes and respects you as a person, you've won a big part of the battle. |
SmugSatokoSep 2, 2019 7:55 AM
|
| I think that there are definitely parts of the western anime viewer base that adopt these kinds of views (not sure about Japanese anime fans). The most prominent genre for these types of individuals does seem to be harem and isekais. Harems have the self-insert be nice to a girl once and suddenly she's thirsting for his dick. I don't know much about isekais but I know that some have the women be totally subserviant to the protag. These types of anime are probably a strong form of escapism for the incel-type who want to see their view of how society should be fulfilled. Don't know anything about MGTOW so I won't comment on that. |
| Signature removed. Please follow the signature rules, as defined in the Site & Forum Guidelines. |
| Incel - involuntary celibate screeching,hating cuz cant get sex. Mgtows- just men going their own way whom most of them had their share of clitoris in life. Now honestly when you look at both, both are very different but both born same way - by current values of society. Society is pretty fucked up right now, everything is based around social media and theres so much bullshitting and pointless information its sad. Most incels probably are not very attractive or rich or famous while current values in society says that those things are everything and young girls chase social media fame and likes by being materialistic so its only natural guys who are on the poorer/uglier side not getting any so they resort is hate towards girls/women. While mgtow is also response to these values I would say its quite different, I would say it consists of older men who knows that current society is quite fucked up and they are learning from their past mistakes not to get burned again and so younger men also relating and learning from older mens mistakes and knowledge with help of the same ol internet exposure. I dont really put myself in any of those communities/philosophies but it does not take 200iq to understand that current dating just plainly sucks for men, you get very little for huge risks ( false accusations, lies, getting used for free meals , having to put up with needy/spoiled,materialistic women just 'cause you are mEn gEntLeMaN). Thats just my two cents as an observer of real life and dating experiences and internet knowledge. |
| ¬ |
| There's always hate for everything, isn't there? |
 |
| The difficulty of an "anime fan" community is that the enormous variety of anime means very different sorts of people will be attracted to it and watch very different things with very diffierent feelings about them. Obviously, there are certain anime which are going to appeal to those types of people. (Which isn't a problem with the anime itself, with just one or two very rare exceptions like Shield Hero, and doesn't mean it's wrong to like those anime or anything, but of course they will.) I try not to think of them as part of the same community. Technically, I am actually an involuntarily celibate male, but that's mostly just because I don't care about this enough to put any effort in, (it's only mildly involuntary,) and it doesn't warp my mind, like it does to people willing to identify with the term 'incel'. |
| @Ryuk9428 I mean it's your choice, you don't have to listen to me. Your "luck" theory is flawed in my opinion, some of the situations you are talking about sound completely outlandish to me personally. Even if we were in some sort of a parallel universe where this is true what would the moral of the story be? This self-created excuse is purely meant to prevent you from acknowledging the real reasons behind your failure by creating a comfortable illusion that nothing depends on you and everything is based only on "luck". If you look at the world and the people around you, you'll see that the reality is far different. Everyone goes through all kinds of different struggles, but some people grow up and fight while other prefer to blame someone else for their failures and give up or put the blame on something they have no control over. If a girl had to choose one of the two it is quite obvious which one she'll go for. The fact that you are using the word "luck" instead of "odds", "probability", "chances", etc. also make you sound like you belong in that second category. |
| @SadMadoka Was never talking about you in that statement. I don't care how many female friends you have. Only if we consider not being a loser to be based on how successful you are at getting girls. Given that it's mostly a luck based system. There's no accomplishment in being popular with girls. It's purely a matter of having a girlfriend would make most people a lot happier. I'll skip ahead since you seemed so confident in your victory here. Getting sex for an average guy is like rolling a 1,000 sided dice and hoping you specifically land on 69 ;). Yes by rolling the dice more often you increase your chance of finally rolling 69 but you're still pretty much leaving it up to luck as to whether you can succeed. Being good looking cuts the number of possibilities down to 100 so you don't have to roll as many times. Being ugly or awkward will increase the number to 10,000 or maybe even 100,000 possibilities. Incels realize they are the unlucky ones with a 100,000 sided dice and don't know how to get a better sided dice, they have already rolled it 1,000 times and are sick of having to roll the dice so many times when other people just need to roll it a couple dozen times and already succeeded. It's especially hard when rolling the dice is not just rolling the dice but being rejected and possibly insulted in the process. I will change my figure slightly. It's 70% pure luck. 20% how often you roll the dice, and 10% things people often think of like going to the gym, getting money, status, or social tactics. Yes your female friend has spoken. I should know my place. Nobody would ever suspect that a person might not want to admit that their life is very easy because they were born a woman now would they? After-all, it's not like an entire political movement is dedicated to denying this fact. Make a fake Tinder profile as a girl. Go to a city or college campus. Watch as your inbox blows up to 1,000+ matches of desperate thirsty guys willing to do anything to enter your holy, nonexistent pussy. Be a woman and don't even be available for sex but just kind of act like you are and watch as men pay you $100,000 a month (Bella Delphine) to have conversations with you. Yeah yeah relationships are better than casual sex. I've said so myself many times. But given that there's no place dedicated to finding a girlfriend, bars and nightclubs are the best place to go to if you are trying to find a girlfriend because it's the only place men and women deliberately interact for the purposes of a romantic or sexual interaction. I know what involuntary means. It's not in their control that they received a 100,000 sided dice now is it? By your logic anybody can be a billionaire and everyone just chooses not to be because they haven't explored all 100 million possibilities of which one of those 100 million could lead to them being a billionaire. Nobody fucking has time for that shit. You think a girl wants to fuck a guy that's been running around asking every girl out on campus? By putting in the amount of effort you expect of them, they may have acquired themselves a 1 million sided dice. Yeah I'm happy ugly girls can get sex. They deserve it. What I'm saying is that men are not offered the same opportunities that society is so desperate to offer to all women. It's not easy for many guys. It's easy for you which has given you an extreme lack of perspective. Reading stuff like me makes me kind of glad I had a hard time most of my life because this level of wilfull ignorance is terrifying. I don't know if anything is worth being this ignorant, not even having all the sex I could dream of. But that wasn't my choice, that was God's and I guess God thought my brain was needed for something more important. Thankfully he throws me a bone every now and then to keep me relatively sane. I told you anything from the 20th century is a moot point. Terrorists killed millions of people, the US did not. Yeah yeah the "secret" is that it flowed naturally. Translated, you got lucky and want to say it was natural. That's my point, "it flowed naturally" is luck. It's what lucky people say to deny that it's all luck. You didn't do Jack shit. But it's no surprise you don't want to say that your success with girls is randomly generated by the universe and has nothing to do with what a great, smart and hard worker you are. |
| Signature removed. Please follow the signature rules, as defined in the Site & Forum Guidelines. |
149597871 said: @Ryuk9428 I mean it's your choice, you don't have to listen to me. Your "luck" theory is flawed in my opinion, some of the situations you are talking about sound completely outlandish to me personally. Even if we were in some sort of a parallel universe where this is true what would the moral of the story be? This self-created excuse is purely meant to prevent you from acknowledging the real reasons behind your failure by creating a comfortable illusion that nothing depends on you and everything is based only on "luck". If you look at the world and the people around you, you'll see that the reality is far different. Everyone goes through all kinds of different struggles, but some people grow up and fight while other prefer to blame someone else for their failures and give up or put the blame on something they have no control over. If a girl had to choose one of the two it is quite obvious which one she'll go for. The fact that you are using the word "luck" instead of "odds", "probability", "chances", etc. also make you sound like you belong in that second category. The moral of the story is that our environment and the society we create is what determines people's luck. Its not consistent across all countries. Incels are mostly a US and Middle Eastern phenomenon. So that means there's something going on in those countries which produce incels at a disproportionate rate to other countries. Therefore, since incels cannot solve this issue themselves, its up to the rest of us to look at what creates incels. Then, we figure out how to shape society in a way so as to not create incels. In the Middle East, I think polygamy is the main factor to blame. I've gone over that in detail. Polygamous marriages are obviously not what's going on in the United States. The United States situation is much more complicated. I do think legalizing prostitution and making it accessible across the board would do a lot in helping this phenomenon. I don't think it would completely solve it though. A major part of the incel phenomenon is because gender relations in general are in very bad shape in the US. A lot of women have been taught to be scared of men. The fear of men is so bad that some women are claiming to be lesbians even though they aren't because having sex with girls feels safer to them than having sex with men. As a result of women's fear of men, a lot more men are having difficulty getting sex and emotional satisfaction with women because a lot of women are not allowing men into their private spaces or make them work very hard in order to do so and jump through numerous hoops to prove they aren't dangerous. When men can't get sex and emotional satisfaction from women, they become angry at them and some men take that anger and become violent. Some don't become violent, but do become more sexually aggressive and threatening. As a result of the increase in violent and sexually aggressive, desperate men, women become more scared of men. This results in more men becoming inceled, and more men becoming angry at women. Its a vicious cycle that self-perpetuates and will only get worse and worse the more this cycle is ignored and denied. The only way to eliminate inceled men's anger is to give them the affection they so desperately crave. If they get what they want, they don't have a reason to be angry anymore. This will result in a decrease in violent of sexually aggressive men as men become more satisfied with their relationship with women. As men become more satisfied, women's fear of men will drop as well because of the less frequent encounters with potentially dangerous men. |
| Signature removed. Please follow the signature rules, as defined in the Site & Forum Guidelines. |
| this thread is a clusterfuck, lmao constant bait between several people who are all wrong, with occasional helpings of ridiculous statements, unbelievable smugness, and a shocking lack of sympathy for fellow humans, although to be fair there are some good points too i can't wait to see what happens next |
More topics from this board
» Why do women always say guys only want one thing?XMGA030 - Yesterday |
22 |
by StarlaFox
»»
20 minutes ago |
|
» Evidence self driving cars are safe. Thoughts?Freshell - Oct 3 |
19 |
by JaniSIr
»»
22 minutes ago |
|
» What cars do you like?AshitaNoJonas - Dec 27, 2018 |
46 |
by Sasori56483
»»
29 minutes ago |
|
» i wanna consume everything everywhere all at onceRyanGoslingg - Sep 28 |
29 |
by AMBITZZ
»»
45 minutes ago |
|
» Why do people change ?ISeeLifePeople - 2 hours ago |
5 |
by Sasori56483
»»
54 minutes ago |