| Hello, door handles! I would want to discuss with you about (male?) incels and (M)TGOW within our community! Two questions could be asked, then, perhaps the discussion could deepen thanks to later replies. 1) Do you believe a certain part of MAL's demography is susceptible to be incel or GTOW? 2) Do you believe the trend of supremacy of 2D VS 3D when it comes to appreciations of other people, as demonstrated within our community, can be seldom considered an emanation of incel/GTOW thinking? My own replies being: 1) Certainly. For involuntary celibacy is often blamed upon a lack of self-confidence, and a young population facing the hurdle of their society and seldom, its expectations bestowed upon individuals; two things I believe must coincide a lot for anime fans. For anime might as well be the escapism for a lot of young people, lacking in self-confidence. As far as I recall, it is almost a tacit fact that MAL users are socially awkward introverts? Right, nerds?! The prominence of the harem and isekai genres seem to further prove it? 2) I do consider such a trend a demonstration of incel/GTOW thinking, one clearly varying from the path fulfilling social expectations. Perhaps the cliché of the kimo-otaku resurges to mind? Like, the main character of Kami Nomi zo Shiru Sekai, for example? |
EmiliaHoarfrostAug 30, 2019 12:40 PM
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| @Seiya It most likely is the case, however through previous researches, I found that there seemed to be a link between the two. As if incels would become MGTOW through a circle of frustration? |
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Seiya said: Aren't they like the opposite? Aren't m.g.t.o.w. the definition of vol.cel.?Incels and MGTOW are not the same thing. |
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| I don't have an idea what people are talking about here. What the hell is a megatow, or am I too old for this shit? |
Sphinxter said: they share the women-hating mentality, and lots of MGTOW are incels in denial.Seiya said: Aren't they like the opposite? Aren't m.g.t.o.w. the definition of vol.cel.?Incels and MGTOW are not the same thing. Both groups also can't have healthy relationships if their lives depended on it, so that's another shared characteristic. Members of both groups tend to be profoundly unhappy and placing all the blame externally, so that's another commonality and if you look a little further you'll see that it just keeps going. Yeah I think the MAL population is susceptible. There are lots of losers on here, so it's only natural that some of them will fall for an ideology that tells them that not only are they 1) not to blame for being losers, 2) they're also better off being losers. Inceldom and MGTOW both serve that purpose fairly well, inceldom focusing more on the first aspect while MGTOW focuses on the second. |
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| They're just eunuchs with dicks, right. |
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| @CondemneDio A megatow is a: Meanwhile an incel is a: |
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| I think vocal ones have been banned or just left at this point. A niche introverted hobby such as anime is more susceptible to the sort of mentality yes. Even generally, I feel that more niche communities can have a sort of "counter culture" affect on people. People like to blame others, or at least want a simple answer, to their or society's problems. |
MasterGlythAug 30, 2019 1:18 PM
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| @Railey2 @Lolsebca To more directly address your point: I caren't really to assign a man such trifling labels and invent yet more vague groups wherein a man should be placed and then made guilty by association. I care only for definitions which are based upon essential, exhaustive criteria where no debate is possible whether an object can be placed under that group or not. These groups seem utterly vague so I'm not interested in considering whether a man be an "in.cel." or "m.g.t.o.w." or not; I had in my prævious reply used the essential-criterion definition of "an in.cel." that is "any that is celibate not by one's own wish" and "m.g.t.o.w." that is "any male that avoids any social contact with females." — apparently this is about vague and social definitions and associations which I consider the hallmark of the fool. |
It is obvious that "obscenity" is not a term capable of exact legal definition; in the practice of the courts, it means "anything that shocks the magistrate". — Bertrand Russell |
Ah, ok. Thanks for the explanation. I was familiar with the whole incel concept from memes, but the other one was new to me. |
Railey2 said: Sphinxter said: they share the women-hating mentality, and lots of MGTOW are incels in denial.Aren't they like the opposite? Aren't m.g.t.o.w. the definition of vol.cel.? Both groups also can't have healthy relationships if their lives depended on it, so that's another shared characteristic. Members of both groups tend to be profoundly unhappy and placing all the blame externally, so that's another commonality and if you look a little further you'll see that it just keeps going. Yeah I think the MAL population is susceptible. There are lots of losers on here, so it's only natural that some of them will fall for an ideology that tells them that not only are they 1) not to blame for being losers, 2) they're also better off being losers. Inceldom and MGTOW both serve that purpose fairly well, inceldom focusing more on the first aspect while MGTOW focuses on the second. People seem really eager to believe that incels cannot be redeemed, that their anger cannot be prevented, that they were born evil, or that they are beyond hope. Scientific and historical evidence has shown that a lot of guys who go through very long dry spells tend to become aggressive, angry, or violent. Depression can make you think in very irrational ways and men who are depressed are more likely than women to express their deep unhappiness through anger. Depriving the soldiers of sex or finding guys who were already deprived of it was actually an ancient war strategy. Its kind of like what happens when you starve someone of food, no surprise, they become very desperate to get it and are furious with anyone taking it away from them. Even the Catholic church in Medieval Times, despite all their prudishness, believed it was a bad idea to leave men with absolutely zero methods of getting sex because of how aggressive sexless men become so they kept prostitution legal until a syphilis epidemic in the 17th century caused European countries to believe God was punishing them for their "sinful" behavior causing the authorities to blame prostitution and make moves to criminalize it. Obviously the solution to incels is that men shouldn't be left with zero methods of getting sexual intimacy. Prostitution is a fair solution but the problem is that with prostitution being illegal in the US, it is extremely expensive to hire a decent looking girl. It actually costs about $400 to hire a girl for one hour that isn't from a sketchy website and looks good and in plenty of smaller communities, you simply can't find a decent looking hooker. In cities like NYC, LA, or Las Vegas, it can run a guy as high as $1,000 an hour. In countries where prostitution is legal, it tends to be more like $150-200 for an hour which is much more reasonable and affordable for guys with average incomes. At $150-200, you can pretty easily afford to hire a girl once a week to keep you reasonably sane. At the least, it will help the guy stay on his feet so he can find a girl who is willing to do it more often for less money rather than leaving him in a sexless, desperate state where he becomes increasingly angry and incapable of fixing his situation in life. Some older incels may be beyond hope. If you're still a virgin at 30, that's so much time for resentment and sexual frustration to build and fester I don't know what can be done. But the main thing is that I think it needs to be nipped in the bud before it gets to that point. Don't give them a chance to become incels in the first place. If a guy is still a virgin at 19 or 20, tell them to swallow their pride and go visit a hooker. There's really no shame in seeing a hooker if you need one. Truthfully though, losing your virginity isn't the real challenge. Anyone can save up enough money, perhaps travel a bit, and find a prostitute who will take it. I won't say "anyone" can do this but for lots of guys, if you just go to parties or nightclubs enough times, eventually you'll probably find a girl who's drunk and horny and not particularly picky tonight. But the thing you discover after losing your virginity is that not a lot really changed. Its nice to no longer have to call yourself a virgin but often times, you're still at square one. Finding a girlfriend to provide you regular sex is the real challenge, lots and lots of guys struggle at that stage. I have sympathy for all incels. I even have sympathy for the hateful ones in the same way that I have sympathy for criminals that were abused growing up or bullied in school. A lot of incels having also been abused or bullied in school in addition to their inceldom. Loneliness is a horrible thing to go through and the pain of it can feel like psychological torture. The fact that a lot of them are bad people doesn't negate the fact that they've all suffered tremendously and became the way they are for a reason and not just because "they were born evil" so it can't be helped. I know that for me personally, during long dry spells I do start taking on mild incelish behavior. And I also know as soon as I have sex, that behavior stops immediately. So I can personally attest to the fact that incels do need sex, that sexual frustration is the cause of their anger, and that sex will cure their condition. |
Ryuk9428Aug 30, 2019 1:51 PM
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| On a website like this it's pretty much guaranteed that some of the members are going to be incels, though they probably won't post in the forums very often. They tend to stick to their own cliques, because they know that if they post their shit here then there are people like me around to take the piss out of them. There was a video essay by ContraPoints that went super viral about a year ago talking about how someone might end up becoming an incel, as well as how to prevent it and possibly help people who've fallen down that rabbit hole. It's pretty good, I'll link it here. |
ChilliePeppersAug 30, 2019 1:59 PM
Seiya said: Railey2 said: they share the women-hating mentality, and lots of MGTOW are incels in denial. Both groups also can't have healthy relationships if their lives depended on it, so that's another shared characteristic. Members of both groups tend to be profoundly unhappy and placing all the blame externally, so that's another commonality and if you look a little further you'll see that it just keeps going. Yeah I think the MAL population is susceptible. There are lots of losers on here, so it's only natural that some of them will fall for an ideology that tells them that not only are they 1) not to blame for being losers, 2) they're also better off being losers. Inceldom and MGTOW both serve that purpose fairly well, inceldom focusing more on the first aspect while MGTOW focuses on the second. That's sounds a lot like something a liberal feminist would say. Calling people "losers" isn't going to help anyone. If you don't want more people taking up these types of mindsets, then maybe you need to realize that perhaps "society" as a whole is to blame for it. The feminist/SJW reaction to incels is a major reason I completely lost all respect for that ideology. The SJW crowd loves to claim that they are the champions of the weak and the oppressed, they make excuses for people who's behavior is toxic all the time. Muslim terrorists, black and Hispanic gangsters. They'll make excuses for any non-white or female person behaving like a complete asshole but as soon as white, straight men, have any issues, its because they were born evil and all their badness just comes from a sense of privilege. They showed their true colors when they were so eager to look down on and gleefully call incels losers. They showed that they don't give a shit about protecting the weak, the downtrodden, or preventing people from ending up in a situation like that. all they care about is propelling their own group's social status and giving them advantages in society, whether they be a woman, a black person, or gay. They'll say that a BLM guy who shot several cops did it because of systematic oppression but they refuse to acknowledge the role bullying and loneliness plays in creating incels. |
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| Are those the currently popular buzzwords on this site? I only saw the first word when people wanted to insult the Shield Hero fanbase without having to think on why they disliked the show. |
HeimurAug 30, 2019 2:12 PM
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| I don't think I've encountered anyone like that on MAL. I'm sure there are a very small minority of them, but definitely not as many as some people here are acting like there are. |
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A_Sad_Dust_Cloud said: Her last video was really good as well and I think it kinda approaches some of the themes on this thread, specially the MGTOW. There was a video essay by ContraPoints that went super viral about a year ago talking about how someone might end up becoming an incel, as well as how to prevent it and possibly help people who've fallen down that rabbit hole. It's pretty good, I'll link it here. |
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Aastra343 said: A_Sad_Dust_Cloud said: Her last video was really good as well and I think it kinda approaches some of the themes on this thread, specially the MGTOW. There was a video essay by ContraPoints that went super viral about a year ago talking about how someone might end up becoming an incel, as well as how to prevent it and possibly help people who've fallen down that rabbit hole. It's pretty good, I'll link it here. Oh, yeah that one two! We should just plug her whole channel. HEY EVERYONE, GO WATCH CONTRAPOINTS!, SHE'S AMAZING! |
Xstasy said: Bad ideologies often prey on those that are vulnerable and seek to exploit them and create echo chambers. I could not agree more... About these kinds of mindsets, I can only feel pity, it is too much bitterness and suffering to live amid so much hatred may be out of the public eye, but I know there are a lot of these in the community |
A_Sad_Dust_Cloud said: I have never checked out any video of Contrapoints for the simple reason that they are videos; if a man wish to make his point he should do so in writing rather than waste my time with an hour long video which is also hard to respond to given that it's in videos.Aastra343 said: Her last video was really good as well and I think it kinda approaches some of the themes on this thread, specially the MGTOW. Oh, yeah that one two! We should just plug her whole channel. HEY EVERYONE, GO WATCH CONTRAPOINTS!, SHE'S AMAZING! Videos and talks opposed to writing are antithetical to debate — it exists to gather ad revenue and to make it more difficult for a rebuttal to be formulated. |
It is obvious that "obscenity" is not a term capable of exact legal definition; in the practice of the courts, it means "anything that shocks the magistrate". — Bertrand Russell |
| Incels do not exist. They purport to be involuntarily celibate...but it's not involuntary at all. Every single aspect of it is voluntary. (With some exceptions, like being incarcerated or incapacitated.) If they truly wanted to have sex, it would be a simple matter. There are freaking billions of people, for crying out loud. No, what's going on here is that they have an atrocious attitude towards women (and perhaps people in general) and refuse to accept self-responsibility. They act like they have high standards for others, but have such low standards regarding themselves. To anyone who is a self-proclaimed incel: Stop being a whiny crybaby and DO something with your life. No excuses. MGTOW (men going their own way) is a movement at least somewhat more grounded in reality, as it involves men wary of potential problems, such as working hard, buying a house, marrying a woman, then having her divorce him and legally steal his house even though she did not earn the money to pay for it like he did. This type of thing does happen...but it's not as prevalent as they may think. It's a delusional paranoia that prevents them from having healthy relationships. Yes, MAL is rife with individuals of this ilk. |
SmugSatokoAug 30, 2019 3:03 PM
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SadMadoka said: Incels do not exist. They purport to be involuntarily celibate...but it's not involuntary at all. Every single aspect of it is voluntary. (With some exceptions, like being incarcerated or incapacitated.) If they truly wanted to have sex, it would be a simple matter. There are freaking billions of people, for crying out loud. No, what's going on here is that they have an atrocious attitude towards women (and perhaps people in general) and refuse to accept self-responsibility. They act like they have high standards for others, but have such low standards regarding themselves. To anyone who is a self-proclaimed incel: Stop being a whiny crybaby and DO something with your life. No excuses. MGTOW (men going their own way) is a movement at least somewhat more grounded in reality, as it involves men wary of potential problems, such as working hard, buying a house, marrying a woman, then having her divorce him and legally steal his house even though she did not earn the money to pay for it like he did. This type of thing does happen...but it's not as prevalent as they may think. It's a type of delusional paranoia that prevents them from having healthy relationships. Yes, MAL is rife with individuals of this ilk. Bullshit, don't act like its so easy. Sex is not that simple and requires a lot of hard work to get. Perhaps the hardest part of it though is trying to figure out where to direct your effort. Perhaps you just want to look down on people and feel like you're better than them than actually help anyone. Billions of people and its physically impossible to even meet 0.01% of them. |
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Ryuk9428 said: Bullshit, don't act like its so easy. Sex is not that simple and requires a lot of hard work to get. Perhaps the hardest part of it though is trying to figure out where to direct your effort. Perhaps you just want to look down on people and feel like you're better than them than actually help anyone. Billions of people and its physically impossible to even meet 0.01% of them. It's only hard if you have standards that are unrealistically high. But something being hard does not make it involuntary. YOU (talking broadly here for the sake of example) made the decision to not take action. YOU made the decision to harbor hatred towards women. It's all on the individual. It would only be involuntary if they were in a situation in which they were literally incapable of performing certain actions. It's like someone who's broke and claims they are in this state involuntarily. No. The responsibility is on them. They made the decision to not work and thus not make money. If they can't find higher-paying work, they can settle for lower-paying work. Calling it involuntary is simply incorrect. Physically impossible? Hardly. It is perfectly physically possible to travel more or less anywhere in the world. If you mean getting to know all those people, well, you don't need that many. Most communities people live in have thousands of members of the opposite sex. (Even more if you count the same sex.) |
SmugSatokoAug 30, 2019 3:19 PM
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SadMadoka said: Ryuk9428 said: Bullshit, don't act like its so easy. Sex is not that simple and requires a lot of hard work to get. Perhaps the hardest part of it though is trying to figure out where to direct your effort. Perhaps you just want to look down on people and feel like you're better than them than actually help anyone. Billions of people and its physically impossible to even meet 0.01% of them. It's only hard if you have standards that are unrealistically high. But something being hard does not make it involuntary. YOU (talking broadly here for the sake of example) made the decision to not take action. YOU made the decision to harbor hatred towards women. It's all on the individual. It would only be involuntary if they were in a situation in which they were literally incapable of performing certain actions. Physically impossible? Hardly. It is perfectly physically possible to travel more or less anywhere in the world. If you mean getting to know all those people, well, you don't need that many. Most communities people live in have thousands of members of the opposite sex. (Even more if you count the same sex.) I consider them to be the same as starved people. Can you expect a person who is starving to think or act rationally? Of course not. Most of them have taken action, and were called creepy. So its no surprise they don't want to repeat that experience. From what I've seen, their standards are very low. The biggest thing resembling standards I've ever seen is them saying they don't want someone who's 300 pounds. Standards really have nothing to do with it. Getting a girlfriend is hard for the majority of guys regardless of whether they are incel or not. I've really only known like four or five guys that thought it was easy. |
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Ryuk9428 said: I consider them to be the same as starved people. Can you expect a person who is starving to think or act rationally? Of course not. Most of them have taken action, and were called creepy. So its no surprise they don't want to repeat that experience. From what I've seen, their standards are very low. The biggest thing resembling standards I've ever seen is them saying they don't want someone who's 300 pounds. Standards really have nothing to do with it. Getting a girlfriend is hard for the majority of guys regardless of whether they are incel or not. I've really only known like four or five guys that thought it was easy. FYI, I edited my post with more info. Food is available freaking everywhere. (Assuming you're not stranded in a desert. Even then, there are animals to eat.) If someone is hungry, they can make the decision to find food. And their current state is a result of their prior actions. In most cases, the situation is 100% voluntary. That doesn't mean they want the situation; it means it is a result of decisions they voluntarily made. Something being hard, or not wanting the current state of affairs to be the case, does not make their situation involuntary. Every last bit of it comes down to the decisions they make...which...are...voluntary. "Involuntary" implies they have no choice in the matter, which is just silly. Again, it would only be involuntary if they were physically incapable of doing it or literally forced into a situation where it is impossible to do it. Otherwise, it is all their decisions, thus all voluntary. They just refuse to accept self-responsibility (like I said) and instead choose to have a negative attitude toward women. Standards have a lot to do with it. If you only want to have sex with someone who is so-and-so, you're limiting yourself. There are millions of women out there who are "easy" and willing to have sex without so much effort. You don't have to be boyfriend/girlfriend. |
SmugSatokoAug 30, 2019 4:15 PM
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| While I understand that incels and MGTOW are not the same thing, they are still at the core a group of men who have problems with women and inflate their importance, so I ignore them both as any normal man should. Both parties just need to grow some damn confidence and head to the gym. |
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| There are plenty of virgins on MAL forums, and it's not just the male users of course. Fortunately, the vast majority of the guys are neither incels nor mgtows. When it comes to whether they are susceptible or not - yes, I think so. @Ryuk9428 no, even for someone who is below the average level of attractiveness it should be fairly easy to get laid. Most of them have just adopted some defeatist attitude in order to make people feel sorry for them. The real reason is that a lot of them have never even tried to even talk to girls because they don't have the courage or got rejected like once and black pilled themselves into believing that. |
149597871Aug 30, 2019 9:52 PM
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| MGTOW doesn't tell you anything other than that you, as a man, do not need a female to define you. Marriage is a one sided punitive legally binding contract that is completely unnecessary and not even holding symbolic meaning with no fault divorce. There was like stages to MGTOW with the last being a monk or something, you do't have to be celibate to be MGTOW. MGTOW acknowledges that we cannot do anything right and there is really no need to worry about us we don't want any part of you. MGTOW inflates male sexual market value, by reducing the number of eligible males which is why it is dangerous. It is a direct threat to society at large for a sizeable number of its males to cease interaction/contribution and form their own Parallel society. An incel would not be an incel if he could get laid. Even a terrorist incel is not as potentially dangerous as a sizeable MGTOW movement. Also, since you asked. I truly pity the wretched state of the incel, for he is completely defined by female interaction, or, lack there of. The incel lacks the cognitive social functions required to integrate into normal society or to achieve the self realization needed to be something more. His own man, the one who endures and makes the best of whatever hand he has been dealt by fate. He shall forever be cursed to lash out at the society that has forsaken him. ;_; |
SoverignAug 30, 2019 7:02 PM
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Peaceful_Critic said: Soverign said: MGTOW inflates male sexual market value, by reducing the number of eligible males which is why it is dangerous. It is a direct threat to society at large for a sizeable number of its males to cease interaction/contribution and form their own Parallel society. An incel would not be an incel if he could get laid. Even a terrorist incel is not as potentially dangerous as a sizeable MGTOW movement. Mgtow guys shouldn't be reproducing and the idea of a pure men society is nothing short of moronic. I get the feeling some of them don't want to reproduce. Lol. There have always been 'boys clubs'. It is, also intellectually dishonest to insinuate that any but the most mentally handicapped doesn't have at least a firm grasp on biology and reproduction. |
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Peaceful_Critic said: Soverign said: A club is different from a whole society.I get the feeling some of them don't want to reproduce. Lol. There have always been 'boys clubs'. It is, also intellectually dishonest to insinuate that any but the most mentally handicapped doesn't have at least a firm grasp on biology and reproduction. You're the one who stated that they had that idea. I had no idea, hence the quotations. Yes, you went to absurdum in assuming I actually meant an entire society comprised of men and men only. You really have nothing to fear, since it is doomed to failure and will never work. Okay. |
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Peaceful_Critic said: Soverign said: If you meant just a club, then why did you say it was dangerous?I had no idea, hence the quotations. Yes, you went to absurdum in assuming I actually meant an entire society comprised of men and men only. You really have nothing to fear, since it is doomed to failure and will never work. Okay. Because they have their own culture that doesn't synch with what is currently acceptable by society? You are expecting me to answer about current society at large and its established cultural norms, touch on its sub-cultures and how a large portion ceasing to function ''correctly' by societies norms is fundamentally dangerous to said society... All of which you would never understand anyways because you aren't a man. |
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Peaceful_Critic said: Soverign said: You are expecting me to answer about current society at large and its established cultural norms, touch on its sub-cultures and how a large portion ceasing to function ''correctly' by societies norms is fundamentally dangerous to said society... ??? I just asked why you thought their clubs were dangerous. Do you really need to go through all that to answer the question? Apparently I did. I mean, I totally was expecting you to get all emotional and womasplain to me about how I could never understand women, to which I was going to agree with you and we would both decide to not interact with each other further, but you didn't. Jeezus, does every woman in my life have to be a disappointment. |
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BlakexEkalb said: Manaban said: Holy shit, you people are all insufferable. Really? I'm finding it amusing watching them discuss this topic. Iunno, watching fist-walking barbarians have slap-fights with each other can funny on occasion, but whenever it's the only way people seem able to approach these topics then it just feels like humanity has evolved backwards. |
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BlakexEkalb said: Manaban said: then it just feels like humanity has evolved backwards. >Insert "But that's the best part" meme Idk, I personally find enjoyment in two people just mindlessly trying to prove they're right even in situations when either it comes down to tastes or one of them is clearly wrong. Iunno about you, but I'm not somebody who's going to laugh at the exact same joke that's being told in the same way by the hundredth time I've heard it. |
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SadMadoka said: Ryuk9428 said: I consider them to be the same as starved people. Can you expect a person who is starving to think or act rationally? Of course not. Most of them have taken action, and were called creepy. So its no surprise they don't want to repeat that experience. From what I've seen, their standards are very low. The biggest thing resembling standards I've ever seen is them saying they don't want someone who's 300 pounds. Standards really have nothing to do with it. Getting a girlfriend is hard for the majority of guys regardless of whether they are incel or not. I've really only known like four or five guys that thought it was easy. FYI, I edited my post with more info. Food is available freaking everywhere. (Assuming you're not stranded in a desert. Even then, there are animals to eat.) If someone is hungry, they can make the decision to find food. And their current state is a result of their prior actions. In most cases, the situation is 100% voluntary. That doesn't mean they want the situation; it means it is a result of decisions they voluntarily made. Something being hard, or not wanting the current state of affairs to be the case, does not make their situation involuntary. Every last bit of it comes down to the decisions they make...which...are...voluntary. "Involuntary" implies they have no choice in the matter, which is just silly. Again, it would only be involuntary if they were physically incapable of doing it or literally forced into a situation where it is impossible to do it. Otherwise, it is all their decisions, thus all voluntary. They just refuse to accept self-responsibility (like I said) and instead choose to have a negative attitude toward women. Standards have a lot to do with it. If you only want to have sex with someone who is so-and-so, you're limiting yourself. There are millions of women out there who are "easy" and willing to have sex without so much effort. You don't have to be boyfriend/girlfriend. I wasn't talking about literal food, I was just making a comparison. It is involuntary, you can't help it if girls don't want to fuck you. They didn't just wake up one day and decide no girl will ever like them and they should start hating people, they started hating people probably as a result of hundreds of bad interactions and very few positive ones. I'm sure they all, like everyone, entered the world of romantic/sexual interactions with girls with a positive attitude that changed once a large number of negative things happened and nothing positive happened to them. And people making fun of them and using them to make themselves feel better about their own condition, is not going to help their situation at all. You're just adding onto the pile of negative experiences with people and fueling their hatred of everyone. Why would you have any reason to like people that you feel mistreat you? You think that because you've been lucky and very few guys who do okay or are sexually successful seem to understand that sheer luck is probably 80-90% of it. You were born with decent or good looks, you didn't develop an anxiety problem because you were lucky enough to not meet shitty people, you were then lucky enough to meet a girl who was interested in you and either acted on that interest or accepted your advances. Tell me how you actually got laid and I feel like hardly anyone can do it. Most people say stuff like "its just natural" or "it just happened" or "I don't know what I did." Why? Because the factors that lead up to you being the kind of person that can have a sex life is just dumb luck. Essentially, nature decided to let you have sex. There have been times in my life where I did okay, and other times where I couldn't have gotten laid if you told me I would die in a month if I didn't do it. I was depressed during the hard times, I'm sure that influenced things, but its not like my depression happened for no reason. |
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