Shingeki no Kyojin Season 3 Part 2 Episode 6 Discussion

Jun 2, 2019 3:09 PM

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HyperL

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Eniie said:

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The only reason you find it ridiculous is because you don't like the writing choice Isayama took, no offence. Just because you don't like a writing choice doesn't mean it's cheap. Simple as that, if you wanted Armin to die that bad of a heroic death, well ohkay? Obtaining Titan Powers has a twist to it anyways.

No, I wanted armin to survive, I never wanted him to die. But if you're going to raise the stakes and have him literally get beyond toasted and people in this show die with far less, then you have to stick to your guns instead of going for a low effort fakeout, because that's what it was, he a good execution and got scared, and backpedalled out of it.

Pretty sure is not the case that he "got scared and backpedalled" more so than he already planned to give Armin the serum from the start.

It's not like he thought of the possibility minutes later, those kinds of things are planned.

You are not your body, you are your brain, the "self" that emerges from within it.

Jun 2, 2019 3:12 PM

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Bertholdlt isn't like Erwin who can face death head on, its as simple as that. Getting eaten alive is one of the scariest way to go and I think most will agree with me on that.

We were just talking about how 180 it was for his development in the episode he transformed in, no one was comparing him to Erwin, but rather his development and then having that reaction after saying words like he can accept ANY outcome.

But it's clear that was all bluster. Even Armin and Mikasa pointed out after Bert told the two they had to die just because that it didn't sound at all like Bertholdt. He didn't become emotionally stronger, he relied far more on the idea that he didn't need to justify his actions because of the cruellness of the world as a coping mechanism to be able to do his mission. When all that failed and he was left with the grim reality of his failure of course his coping mechanism wouldn't work, that's why he died the way he always was, a scared kid until the end.

Jun 2, 2019 3:13 PM

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Modernoir said:

Weebover9000 said:

We were just talking about how 180 it was for his development in the episode he transformed in, no one was comparing him to Erwin, but rather his development and then having that reaction after saying words like he can accept ANY outcome.

But it's clear that was all bluster. Even Armin and Mikasa pointed out after Bert told the two they had to die just because that it didn't sound at all like Bertholdt. He didn't become emotionally stronger, he relied far more on the idea that he didn't need to justify his actions because of the cruellness of the world as a coping mechanism to be able to do his mission. When all that failed and he was left with the grim reality of his failure of course his coping mechanism wouldn't work, that's why he died the way he always was, a scared kid until the end.

Either way, my quoting was intended as a joke, wasnt my intention for anyone to take it seriously.

Jun 2, 2019 3:13 PM

#154

Eniie

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Modernoir said:

Eniie said:

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Eniie said:

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Eniie said:

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I like how everybody is like "PLOT ARMOR ALERT" lol. What do you expect? Did you want some other random jackass instead of Armin or Erwin to be a candidate for the injection? It would've been a no brainer to choose Armin or Erwin at that point. Erwin and Armin being the two candidates made perfect sense plot wise.

The reason Levi chose Armin was because Erwin had no dreams past the basement. While Armin did, Levi realised that Armin could lead humanity in the future cause he has dreams far beyond the walls. What did you expect lmao?

No, the previous episode was epic, and gave an incredible send off to armin, yet all it was was a cheap fakeout where the next ep he just coughs that he's alive despite supposedly being beyond dead. Erwin being alive (but dying) is believable(nobody would instantly die from being hit where erwin was dead, they'd bleed a lot and die quickly but thats it) and should have been the logical choice.

Okay why don't you create your own Attack on Titan and write it your way? It's not your work so complaining about some guy mysteriously surviving fourth degree burns for a few minutes is kinda pointless. At that point, you could call Reiner "The Armored Titan". That guy's survived death so many times lol. His luck is insane, yet he doesn't want to live lol.

You're being ridiculous, this is one of my favourite shows, I love the writing in it and have rated all seasons so far incredible and have been loving this season so far, arguably my favourite arc. I can critique it if I have something I am not a fan of. And yes, reiner having consciousness transfer is ridiculous and blatant plot armor but I can forgive it because we don't have enough on titans to have established expectations. But we know everything about armin and that he is a normal human

The only reason you find it ridiculous is because you don't like the writing choice Isayama took, no offence. Just because you don't like a writing choice doesn't mean it's cheap. Simple as that, if you wanted Armin to die that bad of a heroic death, well ohkay? Obtaining Titan Powers has a twist to it anyways.

No, I wanted armin to survive, I never wanted him to die. But if you're going to raise the stakes and have him literally get beyond toasted and people in this show die with far less, then you have to stick to your guns instead of going for a low effort fakeout, because that's what it was, he a good execution and got scared, and backpedalled out of it.

But it's not like he would've been fine simply for showing signs of life like he did in this ep. The sole reason his survival works is because of the serum, which was built up for ages. We KNEW that someone was going to be brought back to life, and Armin just barely being able to hang on makes sense given what we were shown (that he was burnt completely on the outside but couldn't breathe, therefore his lungs couldn't have burned completely from the steam, plus his fall was lessened as a result of that.)

Also it's a bit dumb to call it backpedalling considering the story is STILL ongoing, and this event still holds significance later on as well as it sets up so much. This series doesn't do cop-outs, that much is clear at least with just how much payoff we're getting with literally everything in the next arc. Try not to judge the series as if this is where everything ends, there's still plenty of time to see how this plot goes, it doesn't directly go against everything because the context was already pre-set up to happen to begin with

Nobody is judging the series based on this scene alone. Not even this episode. I thought the episode was good, I'm just disappointed that they cheapened the last episode by presenting no form of consequences or risk to their fight. Erwin is the first ever developed character to be killed in this show. It is back-pedal from the previous episode, and so far they copped out from Armin's action. whether that changes later doesn't really matter. Again, I love this series, and the episode was pretty good. I just feel like they undermined the last episode a lot.

Yes we always knew someone was going to be healed by the titan powers. the crucial and important emphasis they had is that the person has to be alive, implying and directing us that if a character was dead they wouldn't be revived, which is the cheap fakeout that was done regarding to Armin.

Jun 2, 2019 3:15 PM

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This episode is just lit!!
i loved how they stopped music completely just because its a discussion on the roof by these comrades, there is no action, fighting, no need for an ost, just at the end, when every thing is settled, this powerful music kicks and omg!!!
i believe levi made the right choice! erwin just said it himself, he's lying over and over again, he only wants to discover the truth, and i believe to defeat the enemy, you need to be strong but human too, armin as stated in the episode was the key for every success they did, so yeah!
lastly, this is one of the best voice acting ive ever heared! thanks Wit studios and i wish the studio to take over this anime to treat it the way wit is treating it, with love and ambition!

Jun 2, 2019 3:15 PM

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The real concern here is who are the 3 fucks who voted "Hated it"!!!!!!!
Hands down one of the top 3 episodes so far if not the top. And one of the top episodes in anime world.

Jun 2, 2019 3:16 PM

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Weebover9000 said:

keragamming said:

Bertholdlt isn't like Erwin who can face death head on, its as simple as that. Getting eaten alive is one of the scariest way to go and I think most will agree with me on that.

We were just talking about how 180 it was for his development in the episode he transformed in, no one was comparing him to Erwin, but rather his development and then having that reaction after saying words like he can accept ANY outcome.

Isn't that the point though? Saying it is a lot more easier than showing it when the moment comes, I can tell myself that I'm not scared of being eaten a live, but when it happens it is a different story.

Also something similar to this will happen again in a episode or two from now.

Its regular theme Isayama uses in the series.

keragammingJun 2, 2019 3:19 PM

Jun 2, 2019 3:17 PM

#158

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I honestly did not expect such controversy over Admin survival; for me, it made sense as to why he got to be revived (although Erwin is still my favorite =D). Also, people complaining about plot armour *cough* Supernatural *cough* Haha, just kidding, know many love that show.

I believe every show have their own flaws and own glorious moments, but it is such a bummer to see multiple people watching this anime without acknowledging both aspects. Kinda ruins the mood for everyone.

Jun 2, 2019 3:18 PM

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Weebover9000 said:

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But it's clear that was all bluster. Even Armin and Mikasa pointed out after Bert told the two they had to die just because that it didn't sound at all like Bertholdt. He didn't become emotionally stronger, he relied far more on the idea that he didn't need to justify his actions because of the cruellness of the world as a coping mechanism to be able to do his mission. When all that failed and he was left with the grim reality of his failure of course his coping mechanism wouldn't work, that's why he died the way he always was, a scared kid until the end.

Either way, my quoting was intended as a joke, wasnt my intention for anyone to take it seriously.

Oh sorry, it's hard to tell on the internet sometimes ahah.