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Frostbytes said: Nim0174 said: @Frostbytes lmao takes 1 person out of the links i happened to find finds a valid counter argument by all means its valid you are right in that case disregards millions of other cases where this argument doesn't work "the argument is flawed anyway by comparing with exceptions like Guinness world record holders" its really not flawed, what makes you think Armin can't be an Exception? Exceptions are there to prove that its possible if something is possible its not an illogical event that can happen ignoring millions of valid example because one example is valid is illogical in itself stop crying like a five year old over something that is clearly possible >its really not flawed, what makes you think Armin can't be an Exception? I am tired with this, but read about logical fallacies, maybe you will understand. Here is a good page about it, because many people are unaware about it here https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Exception_that_proves_the_rule that page itself is logical fallacy if an exception occurs it means it occured and is thefore present in reality, in either past present or future it happened once and therefore that occurence itself is logical if you apply this to a fictional world that itself makes it logical @Weebover9000 well yeah if you don't make valid criticism i will call you out, by all mean its plot armor im not denying that, but there is a difference in illogicality and plot armor |
Nim0174Jun 2, 2019 10:09 AM
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| @Frostbytes man you are taking answers out of context and arguing to suit your needs the point is its not illogical, people have survived worse and he had the serum now stop crying thank you amine60__SBD said: lol no,I'm not,I didn't expect people can survive free falling from such a high distance,now I'm not bothered with armin surviving, -the fight among the survey corps for the serum was one of my favorite scene from the manga. same here man, i especially loved Eren talking to Levi about how Armin is the one who will save the World |
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| The back and fourth discussion between Armin death between two manga readers is tiring. You guys have already set up the tone of how this thread is going to be, a big flame war. |
keragamming said: The back and fourth discussion between Armin death between two manga readers is tiring. You guys have already set up the tone of how this thread is going to be, a big flame war. lol, very true. I found Armin's survival absurd when I read the manga, but at this point, I just accepted it. |
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| @Frostbytes its not bait, its a solid fact, im not sure what your problem is, of course my grammar is poor, its my third language, so excuse me didn't know this was grammar school. Also every argument that doesnt suit you is a logical fallacy immediately lmao |
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ABDoesThings said: I like how everybody is like "PLOT ARMOR ALERT" lol. What do you expect? Did you want some other random jackass instead of Armin or Erwin to be a candidate for the injection? It would've been a no brainer to choose Armin or Erwin at that point. Erwin and Armin being the two candidates made perfect sense plot wise. Sacrificing logic in the sake of the plot is weak writing and storytelling. This was also the problem of Game of Thrones in Season 8. And no, don't defend the indefensible. There is no way for Armin to survive that. There is no human who could survive burning alive and falling to the ground from 50 meters or more! This is plot armor, nothing more, nothing less. No. The reason Levi chose Armin was that Isayama wasn't brave enough to kill of a main character. Another reason is that Isayama wanted to remove Erwin from the story, because he couldn't handle the character after the basement reveal. Erwin's whole character was built up for the basement reveal. |
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Frostbytes said: There is only logical fallacy here, "exceptions doesn't prove the rule"(and they aren't even comparable examples anyway, different situations for each of them) and it's a common one used in every arguments about books, movies etc. I know some people don't know about it properly, but that's how it is, sadly. Poor grammar is related because I can't understand many of the arguments because of poor sentence structure, but that's besides the topic and I see your reasoning for that. Anyway please stop quoting me again, thanks. Yes. You are right. Exceptions do not prove the rule. But that doesn't mean that another exception can not happen under any circumstances. Therefore it is not illogical. I apologize for my grammar. |
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Nim0174 said: Stop it, you're destroying him/her hahahahaFrostbytes said: Alright, I will stop watching anime because it's SnK. Prime ad hominem there, at least some of the fans above tried to discuss it. >using plane crash logic to defend SnK when planes actually have backup emergency facilities for such situations just to have a small chance of survival Now I have seen everything. just a few i remember there are a lot more, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Alkemade 18000 feet free fall https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davide_Capello 100 feet fall (WALKS AWAY UNSCATHED) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Chisov 23000 free fall survivor (jumped out of plane at this height) -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vesna_Vulovi%C4%87 holds guinness world record for free fall surviving 33330 feet (10160 metre) ". She suffered a fractured skull, three broken vertebrae, two broken legs, broken ribs and a fractured pelvis. She made an almost complete recovery but continued to walk with a limp " man dude, i don't attempt to discuss this with you because u talk nonsense about how its illogical when its really fucking not stop saying everything is illogical when its not, its stupid whiny and you aren't 5 years old |
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LightoLhxd4 said: surprising episode, Armin survived and RIP Erwin, I hope you are calm in nature, honestly why people complain and argue about the possibility that Armin should not breathe after falling from a height of 60 meters, hey don't put your 100% logic into anime, it's very really stupid, any type of anime does not apply 100% real logic, even if it exists it might be a miracle, as for negative criticism people should criticize the storyline, the quality of animation, sound, art and others, according to My episode is full of drama, but the negative point is the lack of music in the middle of the conversation, at the end of the music it's ok, but in the middle it feels lonely like it's not usually, and I'm just a little disappointed with the music, but still I can edit it and add as much sawano music as I want, for my personal collection, I hope they want to fix it pa da BD, because I want to buy it right away, I hope people understand and understand. 9/10 for this episode You make good criticism/points. I agree, lack of OST bugs me in this Season. It also doesn't fit well thematically in my Opinion, but maybe it just doesn't resonate with me. |
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Frostbytes said: Best comedy episode, Snk always delivers with its stupid plot armours. So ........ it’s Attack on Plot Armour Titan? 😝 Sigh... I caught up to the 1st half of the season and this season for nothing. |
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LightoLhxd4 said: surprising episode, Armin survived and RIP Erwin, I hope you are calm in nature, honestly why people complain and argue about the possibility that Armin should not breathe after falling from a height of 60 meters, hey don't put your 100% logic into anime, it's very really stupid, any type of anime does not apply 100% real logic, even if it exists it might be a miracle, as for negative criticism people should criticize the storyline, the quality of animation, sound, art and others, according to My episode is full of drama, but the negative point is the lack of music in the middle of the conversation, at the end of the music it's ok, but in the middle it feels lonely like it's not usually, and I'm just a little disappointed with the music, but still I can edit it and add as much sawano music as I want, for my personal collection, I hope they want to fix it pa da BD, because I want to buy it right away, I hope people understand and understand. 9/10 for this episode I thought I was the only one, I was wondering if they were planning to use any ost in this episode. The ost at the end was great though. |
| Oof, reading this discussion thread is like digging through a trashcan to find some coin you dropped in there. Anyways, this is definitely my second-favorite AoT episode, only losing to last week's episode. Yeah, there's a lot of plot conveniences, but AoT's been like that since the first arc. But the execution of the whole moment was amazing. Lack of music at moments really created a more tense atmosphere. That silent feeling created more intensity and any music would've made it feel intrusive. Also, props to the seiyuu for really going all out in this episode. |
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| Hey, I'm not an expert on irl fall damage, but I can see someone not immediatelly dying from a fall if they manage to avoid a fatal blow to their head and neck. |
HyperLJun 2, 2019 11:47 AM
| You are not your body, you are your brain, the "self" that emerges from within it. |
| Frankly, I think the reason this episode felt amazing to me was precisely due to lack of OST most of time, it ironically feels like a terrified child watching his parents arguing in a first-person view. Great atmosphere-building. Also huge props to splendid voice acting from all characters in this episode. Eren, Mikasa, Levi...and good lord Floch delivers too (Kensho Ono is my new favorite VA) |
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Mattinator95 said: HyperL said: Hey. I'm not an expert on irl fall damage, but I can see someone not immediatelly dying from a fall if they manage to avoid a fatal blow to their head and neck. Some are suggesting that armin didn't breath in the heat which didn't damage his organs inside . Or something Yeah, but that's about surviving the burning, which I already find believable enough. |
| You are not your body, you are your brain, the "self" that emerges from within it. |
Farabeuf said: where are people watching this? Everywhere I go the release of the episode is delayed?! In germany it's out on AnimeOnDemand. ^^' |
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| Here's an explanation that draws more from the anime itself: Remember last episose, the Colossal Titan was emitting/creating lots of very strong and hot WIND. With that in mind, I don't think is farfetched to think all the wind and extra air around slowed down Armin's fall just enough for his death to not be immediate. Think AIR RESISTANCE/DRAG. What makes things like baloons and parachutes fall more slowly to the ground is the air below the base of the object interfering with the force of gravity. Thus, it stands to reason that more concentrated wind and air (specially hot air which tends to move upwards) creates more air resistance, which would further slow down the fall of objects. And remember, we do see Armin fall rather slowly after he lets go of the maneuver gear. One could assume it was just some slow-mo effect for the sake of epicness, but that might've actually been how fast he was falling due to all the stuff I explained above. In other words, the whole premisse of the argument 'til now, that is, that he just fell like one would after jumping from a cliff or something, is most likely wrong. |
HyperLJun 2, 2019 12:25 PM
| You are not your body, you are your brain, the "self" that emerges from within it. |
Leakers? I don't understand that logic. We all know whats going to happen anyway! (Well at least all manga readers) |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
Modernoir said: keragamming said: Those plot armor/fake outs is my main gripe in this arc when I was reading the manga, when Armin supposedly died in the manga, I and many also thought he was dead. Seeing anime only praising the series last episode knowing what was to come next episode, apart of me really wish Armin would've stayed dead because it would have really hit home that anyone can die in the series. Thankfully all this drama was done in one episode, but really it depends on how anime only will view this, on the other hand Armin survive, but for the cost of that Erwin and Bertholdt is dead and the ending scene was beautiful. This is why I said this episode and the next one will make or break this season. So I'm patiently waiting for anime only reaction to this episode. I'm genuinely surprised you of all people think that way. I mean, I can sort of understand why but surely since you're up to date with the manga you can at least start to see why it makes perfect sense for Armin to have survived this ordeal? Oh yes, don't get me wrong as a manga reader and seeing what is happening in the long run, I can see why he made Armin survive. But that still doesn't mean I like the way how he survived, it was just too much for my suspension of disbelief and I just didn't like how the way it was done, the same goes for how Reiner survive as well. Those were always my gripe when it comes to this arc. I criticize these chapters back when the chapter was release I guess you weren't aware of it. https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1530501 @Farabeuf The episodes were being leaked by legal websites in Spain and other Countries Hours and even days before the episode aired in Japan, so they decide to give the streaming companies the episode after it aired in Japan, so translating it will take some time and hence it was not possible to release it at the normal time it was being released. |
keragammingJun 2, 2019 12:22 PM
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