| Link to tweet. https://twitter.com/magazine_posse/status/1113999944803803136 They're urging animators in similar work conditions to contact ブラック企業ユニオ which is the Black Corporate Union. |
zagzeeApr 22, 2019 7:58 PM
HungryForQuality said: I wish him the best. Sounds pretty unfair. Madhouse isn't gonna change their business practices unless they're forced to. I hope this doesn't hurt Madhouse's ability to produce anime though. Either way, it isn't up to me. Also those who express their outrage but don't pay for anime should stop with the moral grandstanding. MadHouse is just participating in the industry-wide standard. Exceptions being studios like KyoAni. |
| Madhouse is a black company, even Japanese law mandates 100 hours max. 393 is suicidal. |
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| most worker earned US700? what, wait a sec...700??? Am I the only one who think that 700 is not higher number? |
| A-1 done this before and since the death of their coworker, i haven't heard anything from them. madhouse is insane. this is right after Ufotable tax scandal and ghibli recent open up about takahata abusive tendency. i hope this is the real deal. the animator exploitation for profit of the upper is really scary in japan. |
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| In july 2016 I worked about 300 hours myself at a resort hotel as a receptionist, it was damn hard and annoying. All the best to him. Damn bosses, ruining people's lives! |
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| animation studios are notorious for underpaying and overworking their employees this problem is systemic u must love what you do to work slave wages bc animating sounds like a grueling job especially being paid 700$ a month? |
zzzeallyApr 22, 2019 10:03 PM
| 393 hours a month translates to about 13.1 hours of work a day, which is pretty intense, but not nearly as bad as the work schedule of a typical mangaka. you think 13 hours a day is bad. imagine what it must be working for 15 to 19 hours a day, with sometimes only being able to sleep for two hours. https://www.comicsbeat.com/sample-work-schedule-of-a-manga-artist/ (total: 105 hours of work per week, or about 420 hours a month, assuming a month has exactly 4 weeks. this is excluding the 7 additional hours a week meeting with their editor) |
DreamingBeatsApr 22, 2019 11:04 PM
| You can buy lossless digital music from your favorite Japanese artists on https://ototoy.jp/. The songs are all DRM-free and you can re-download your purchased albums as you wish. Show your support to your favorite artist if you can! ps. if you are looking for Japanese albums, you have to search it in Japanese (not romaji). Just copy and paste the name. For those who want to learn Japanese through anime Resources for learning the language |
deg said: Hoppy said: Madhouse is a black company, even Japanese law mandates 100 hours max. 393 is suicidal. dont just say Madhouse though, its like 90% of the all anime studios does this kind of stuff though and i know you are aware of that too thats why i said on your old thread about this is that im fine if anime goes 3DCG more 3DCG benefits for the workers are - less staff needed so higher pay for the staff - no long hours of work Stoorainclaire said: most worker earned US700? what, wait a sec...700??? Am I the only one who think that 700 is not higher number? yep the anime industry giving slave salary and long working hours is a common news each year thats why there is an animator shortage crisis there (you can google that to confirm) With 3DCG you get higher upfront costs for the 3DCG and you still don't save money from other positions besides animation. It's cutting a corner and the general consensus is that in most cases it's a lower quality show albeit more consistent. You'd make more from a good traditional than a mediocre-below average I'd imagine, but that's my suspicion. There's plenty of debate over the production committee debacle. I'm not sure if anything will change without the industry workers speaking up like they've begun too. |
deg said: zagzee said: With 3DCG you get higher upfront costs for the 3DCG and you still don't save money from other positions besides animation. It's cutting a corner and the general consensus is that in most cases it's a lower quality show albeit more consistent. You'd make more from a good traditional than a mediocre-below average I'd imagine, but that's my suspicion. There's plenty of debate over the production committee debacle. I'm not sure if anything will change without the industry workers speaking up like they've begun too. ye i heard 3DCG is more expensive than 2D anime right now but computer technology is improving and getting cheaper every year and also artificial intelligence can help automating more animation production process in the long run im optimistic that with anime getting more popular because of globalization then more companies besides Netflix will start funding anime directly without the production committee system, this is a news days ago https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1777814 Ahah yeah I saw that and your comment before. I'm kind of indifferent though because the majority of Netflix anime has been pretty awful in my opinion. |
| Get paid what you believe you're owed or leave. Simple. |
SpamuraiSensei said: Get paid what you believe you're owed or leave. Simple. given that the anime industry as a whole underpay their workers in Japan especially animators, you are effectively telling them to either accept the low wages and unpaid overtime or quit working in the anime sector. im not sure how much influence, if any, the union will have, since companies can always choose to outsource the animators work to other countries - and they have already done so to lower production costs of anime. |
| You can buy lossless digital music from your favorite Japanese artists on https://ototoy.jp/. The songs are all DRM-free and you can re-download your purchased albums as you wish. Show your support to your favorite artist if you can! ps. if you are looking for Japanese albums, you have to search it in Japanese (not romaji). Just copy and paste the name. For those who want to learn Japanese through anime Resources for learning the language |
| I also find troubling that the government doesn't enforce the set minimal wage. Like, I don't care if most studios go bankrupt because of it, the law should be fucking enforced, especially when it comes to people's payment. |
| You are not your body, you are your brain, the "self" that emerges from within it. |
DreamingBeats said: SpamuraiSensei said: Get paid what you believe you're owed or leave. Simple. given that the anime industry as a whole underpay their workers in Japan especially animators, you are effectively telling them to either accept the low wages and unpaid overtime or quit working in the anime sector. im not sure how much influence, if any, the union will have, since companies can always choose to outsource the animators work to other countries - and they have already done so to lower production costs of anime. Well yeah. The conditions aren't going to be changed overnight for them. I doubt it's some secret over in Japan about the working conditions either. I wouldn't bust my ass for peanuts, but that's just me. |
Stoorainclaire said: most worker earned US700? what, wait a sec...700??? Am I the only one who think that 700 is not higher number? You'd make more flipping burgers. I'm conflicted on this. Anime already has razor thin margins and now we're throwing fairly paid workers with fair working conditions into the mix. The people come first but people aren't going to pay more for their anime and the asshole CEOs will just stop business altogether if they don't get their larger cheque. |
| Horrible work culture. Ironically, working so long makes you so incredibly inefficient. He was probably wasting at least half of the time spent at work because he was simply too exhausted. It's very possible that someone who works 8 hours a day but is always concentrated gets more done than this guy. |
| *lampoons inwardly* |
| I know a friend living in Japan whose job requires to work 14 hours per day including saturnday and sunday, he averegared something close to this monthly. He said if you complain they tell you all that stuff about giving your best and work hard to make the nation greater, it's in the culture etc... Some of their working doctrine like the excersise and organization is something that i put my hat off , but their hard working doctrine is counterproductive imho, it kills all the good aspects of their organization. |
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| as someone who has worked 10+ hour days; at it's worse it's a soul-crushing experience beyond what you could imagine. at it's best your life basically is literally wake up, go to work, get home, shower + eat, sleep, and repeat. there's virtually no time for anything and even if you did have any, you're so fucking tired you will literally just fall asleep before you can do much of anything else. of course, i can only expect on MAL that most of you don't really understand just how fucked this really is, especially when we as a country aren't as crazy as about it as japan is. |
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| That is not a life worth living. |
| thirteen hours a day is what I'll have to do if I want to pass an exam in a month. Is this unethical? |
| Sounds like he ran out of HP. I could definitely imagine something like that happening when drawing nonstop for such an amount of time (or whatever it is he was doing). Still can't help but think that being an animator must be an awesome job, though. |
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BrightFlashLight said: The Japanese Anime industry earns not enough, pays little, works employees to the bone. It sounds like the anime industry is heading towards doom. And to add on to that, the Japanese work culture. I'm not sure anyone want to join the industry even if they love anime. It will only get worse as the population declines and the debt rises. Its a death spiral: Country is too shit -> Why have kids? -> Country falls to shit due to lack of kids |
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