| So far the series has delivered in the story aspect, so why are so many people saying that the series is a train wreck and has no plot? I’ve also been seeing a lot people saying there’s not enough episodes to clean up all the loose ends. We have 6 episodes left and for me that seems like enough to wrap up the story and any unanswered questions. What exactly is your definition of “Plot” Edit: So what I can tell is that people don’t like foreshadowing and mystery. They’re also upset that the series is a character driven story and not a typical action mecha series. Everything that the series presented is exactly how it should’ve been. The kind of story their trying to sell is a tragic mix between From the new world, beauty and the beast, & Evangelion. Everything they’ve done so far is a perfectly executed build up for the climax of the series. If you aren’t a fan of character driven stories, naive kids hitting puberty, & learning about life then your watching the wrong kind of anime. “They are little kids that act like little kids are supposed to act. I don't know which kind of complexity or maturity people are expecting from them. They are naive and emotional.” ~ Ryutai |
Reshiram_IXMay 23, 2018 9:30 AM
| well they are as flat as board, what do you expect. |
| The problem is the pacing. Well ... it isn't really too fast or too slow. Works fine if you like the characters and are mainly interested in their development. (I think they are "okay" and I don't care too much about them.) For the main plot they are too slow. Making it boring or at least less interesting sometimes. Straightforward action with a bit of char development every now and then - and some background info ... would have worked better than having the whole main plot in the last third ... of which the first few episodes even were warm up only. I fear they might compress it in only the last 2 episodes. Second to last episode the full background info about APE. Last episode the final battle. End after the battle. (Instead of all those nice moments you could show after a final battle ... where I usually prefer 1 episode for that.) But lots of anime fail at the end/finale. I guess Japanese just aren't good at such things. While most of the time I prefer anime over western stuff the end/finale is worst than what western series/movies manage. And putting all the interesting stuff at the end is bad distribution of all the info. Usually I associate this with all the super old shows that are episodic for 12 or 24 episodes with last 2-3 episodes an "arc" that spans over these episodes instead of them being episodic as well. I don't think newer shows - especially if there is a plot - need to be like that ... and they should try to start earlier instead of making only warm-up. |
| Because we are already in the chapter 18 and one knows WTF is happening in the world (not like it looks too interesting anyway), also, the characters are not that bad, but they are not that great to carry the show, and their development hasnt been that developed. (such a shame... I was so into the show at first) |
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| saying this show doesn’t have a plot is like saying you watch kill la kill for Mako, the plot is really strong if you have the time to analyze it, i’d recommend watching Nearly On Red’s analysis videos, it’s probably one of the few anitubers who doesn’t sell himself as a god/critic |
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freecaio said: saying this show doesn’t have a plot is like saying you watch kill la kill for Mako, the plot is really strong if you have the time to analyze it, i’d recommend watching Nearly On Red’s analysis videos, it’s probably one of the few anitubers who doesn’t sell himself as a god/critic Kill la Kill wasnt meant to be a very deep show (like this one does with so many episodes about the children living together in the house), but in KLK the plot moved a LOT more, the characters were better (without being WOW, yet good). In fact, the big appeal of KLK was its call to old style animation and the epicness of Tengen Toppa and it did it splendidly. |
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| OP what are you talking about ? There is plot, didn't you see the shitstorm that plot is causing almost every time ? freecaio said: saying this show doesn’t have a plot is like saying you watch kill la kill for Mako, the plot is really strong if you have the time to analyze it, i’d recommend watching Nearly On Red’s analysis videos, it’s probably one of the few anitubers who doesn’t sell himself as a god/critic Oh Jesus, please no anime youtubers. |
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| People don't realise it's not a mech anime. It's a drama anime with mechs sprinkled in. People expect the story to revolve around the mechs vs the klaxosaurs when it's actually abouy human relationships. |
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Swagernator said: freecaio said: i’d recommend watching Nearly On Red’s analysis videos Oh Jesus, please no anime youtubers. EVERY FUCKING VIDEO is longer than 1 hour... what the actual fuck... |
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Its like "i dont need to understand the show, because there is always that one youtuber who will tell me exactly how to understand it and i will like this video for that." |
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Swagernator said: Its like "i dont need to understand the show, because there is always that one youtuber who will tell me exactly how to understand it and i will like this video for that." I would agree with you under normal circunstances, but I admire anyone who can keep up with those videos (more than 1 hour for every FranXX chapter... and some other videos to explain mythos, etc...) god... |
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Aredros said: freecaio said: saying this show doesn’t have a plot is like saying you watch kill la kill for Mako, the plot is really strong if you have the time to analyze it, i’d recommend watching Nearly On Red’s analysis videos, it’s probably one of the few anitubers who doesn’t sell himself as a god/critic Kill la Kill wasnt meant to be a very deep show (like this one does with so many episodes about the children living together in the house), but in KLK the plot moved a LOT more, the characters were better (without being WOW, yet good). In fact, the big appeal of KLK was its call to old style animation and the epicness of Tengen Toppa and it did it splendidly. lmao i think you got the message wrong, i wasn’t comparing DITF with KLK at all. |
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Swagernator said: Its like "i dont need to understand the show, because there is always that one youtuber who will tell me exactly how to understand it and i will like this video for that." i just like his videos because he goes very in depth with mythology and symbolism, also he posts these videos right before a new episode comes out, so i can fully connect all the pieces together. it’s fine if you think i’m retarded or something since i need an hour long explanation but it’s just something i like to listen to during my gym workout, he’s also a really likable down o earth guy. |
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| It does but its has one of the most shittest plots I have ever seen that is filled with plot contrivance's, horrible pacing, pathetic writing that has some of the worsw use of foreshadowing and symbolism ever. At this point we are just watching a poorman EOE/TTGL at this point. |
| Well, the first thing is that this show was popular because of 02 and I will really like to see how it will live up to its current reputation if there is no 02 in it. |
| Actually, the show has a plot and it’s tied with what the characters do. Basically the character drama and development feeds into the plot. Everything the characters do is affecting their world and inducing a reaction from their surroundings (like I’m talking about APE and nines who are central figures in the plot) , and with everything they do, more plot points and world aspects are revealed (like emotional indoctrination, gender conformation, more foreshadowing to the klaxosaurs princess and her connection to zero two, foreshadowing to the nature of APE and their ultimate goal). Just my opinion. They still have a chance to wrap it up. It can go either way, but I’m not gonna dismiss the show just yet until we’re near the final couple of episodes. |
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| The show does have a plot and very interesting world building, but the characters kinda fuck it up lol Also, people are allowed to have opinions? |
Imperio_nMay 20, 2018 9:27 AM
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| Standards. If the plot is straightforward, there's no character development, and every episode would be a Klaxosaurs' carnage. If the plot steers a little bit to let the watcher know the past of the characters, then the plot is slow paced, annoying to follow, etc. Everyone will have their opinions. But Darling in the FranXX in fact, has plot. It may not be a Steins;Gate plot, or Angel Beats' plot, but it has and it's very good.To sum it up it's: The development of Hiro and Zero Two as partners. MAL said: With a new partner by his side, Hiro has been given a chance at redemption for his past failures, but at what cost? And the squads trying to identify the root of Klaxosaurs spawning to end with them. From what I've seen, that's the most summarized version of the plot. But there are more characters that need to have their development shown too. So, it does has a plot. |
| I think more than a lack of plot it is a problem in lack of direction, they couldn't decide what kind of anime they wanted to do and succeed in everything, the world seems interesting but never fully explored, the characters are there but never fully developed. I find pretty funny having to rely on those YouTube reviewers, don't get me wrong, bless them for having patience and passion to do it, and they are amazing on cases like Made in Abyss, Madoka Magica, One Piece or Jojo to name a few contemporary where a single frame with some random text or even a damn window far in the background has more significance, foreshadowing and references than what the characters are saying, but when your 24 episodes anime is being dissected like that is either a case of an amazing show with too much on it or a train wreck that needs some heavy salvaging. |
Mercy_maya6 said: Have you watched the series? Everyone in squad 13 had at least 1 episode dedicated to them. Almost every anime has that one character everyone likes i.e Rem from ReZeroProblem here is the boring ass characters with no personality, it’s so bad one character is more liked/popular than the others combined they shoulda focused on the characters. |
| there's just too much shit that distracts you from the main plot with all this unneeded drama |
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| 18 episodes of nothing but teen angst and drama. No questions about the world or its inhabitants have been answered despite characters literally going from being acquaintances to being married and possibly with child. In a futuristic world of Kaijus and teen soldiers piloting mechs powered by sexual compatibility, the viewers are instead limited to watching episodes of teen romance and drama with no exploration of the world beyond that. This anime is true to its fanbase - Zero substance, zero plot, just seasonal waifu shit recolored in the form of Zero Two. Apart from Mitsuru, Kokoro, and Zero Two who is probably the most waifu-pandering character of 2018 so far, no other character has received any development 18 episodes into the series. And even then their development is limited to teenage romance because that's the bread and butter of this anime - not a compelling story with interesting themes, Zero Two waifu who will sell our merchandise. The MC is so generic that he can literally be replaced with any other seasonal romcom MC and nothing would change as his role is simply to serve as a self-insert for waifu-pandering Zero Two. And every other character stagnates. Mitsuru and Kokoro are developing, wipe their memories and stagnate the cast further. Goro likes Ichigo who like Hiro who is intimate with Zero Two? Don't show them together, stagnate the characters. Gay Ikuno is displaced in this world that relies on binary sexual compatibility, stagnate the character by limiting her to 1 minute of angst per episode. The only thing that feeds me is the dank memes and schooling the real-life Futoshis who think Kokoro is a whore for breaking a childish one-sided promise. |
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freecaio said: Swagernator said: Its like "i dont need to understand the show, because there is always that one youtuber who will tell me exactly how to understand it and i will like this video for that." i just like his videos because he goes very in depth with mythology and symbolism, also he posts these videos right before a new episode comes out, so i can fully connect all the pieces together. it’s fine if you think i’m retarded or something since i need an hour long explanation but it’s just something i like to listen to during my gym workout, he’s also a really likable down o earth guy. The thing is man while I respect Red's videos, no amount of symbolism or mythology will ever convince me that these characters are anywhere near interesting enough to ever fully invest in the show which has been my personal biggest issue with this "character drama". These characters have not been compelling at all. |
| So far the plot of the show: EP1, EP6, EP13, EP15, one quarter of ep17, and that's it. Rest are all just character arcs + their waifu/ husbando wars. We have 4-way relationship, NTR, Yaoi, Yuri all meshed together in the show, and coincidentally all kids have to fall in love with another, not a single one can be spared. Heck, most of the mecha parts are fillers too aside from the episodes I mentioned. |
MiiyoSon said: freecaio said: i just like his videos because he goes very in depth with mythology and symbolism, also he posts these videos right before a new episode comes out, so i can fully connect all the pieces together. it’s fine if you think i’m retarded or something since i need an hour long explanation but it’s just something i like to listen to during my gym workout, he’s also a really likable down o earth guy. The thing is man while I respect Red's videos, no amount of symbolism or mythology will ever convince me that these characters are anywhere near interesting enough to ever fully invest in the show which has been my personal biggest issue with this "character drama". These characters have not been compelling at all. true that, they’re all so generic and act in ways to make the drama go crazy brazy all over the place plus the plot’s kinda messy, still entertaining i guess tho |
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deg said: Without the character socialization there would be no plot. Squad 13 being different and learning about their primitive human instincts is the plot. Without all the build up with them learning about human relationships, mariges, babies, hitting puberty, kisses, names, death, and how to fend for themselves no one would care about this show. People are only interested in who APE & the klaxosaurs are, because of the prior character developments. The major conflict that’s going to push the series forward is squad 13 questioning their way of life and thus rebeling against Papa. Without the character socialization it would be an empty pointless story.probably because majority of an episodes content is character socialization and just few tidbits and hints of the actual plot |
spideypeter000 said: MoonStar9 said: Zero Two has been shown in femme fatale light she is a murder that isn’t waifu-pandering you can’t get salty a character is liked, called waifu and sells merchandise lmfao.18 episodes of nothing but teen angst and drama. No questions about the world or its inhabitants have been answered despite characters literally going from being acquaintances to being married and possibly with child. In a futuristic world of Kaijus and teen soldiers piloting mechs powered by sexual compatibility, the viewers are instead limited to watching episodes of teen romance and drama with no exploration of the world beyond that. This anime is true to its fanbase - Zero substance, zero plot, just seasonal waifu shit recolored in the form of Zero Two. Apart from Mitsuru, Kokoro, and Zero Two who is probably the most waifu-pandering character of 2018 so far, no other character has received any development 18 episodes into the series. And even then their development is limited to teenage romance because that's the bread and butter of this anime - not a compelling story with interesting themes, Zero Two waifu who will sell our merchandise. The MC is so generic that he can literally be replaced with any other seasonal romcom MC and nothing would change as his role is simply to serve as a self-insert for waifu-pandering Zero Two. And every other character stagnates. Mitsuru and Kokoro are developing, wipe their memories and stagnate the cast further. Goro likes Ichigo who like Hiro who is intimate with Zero Two? Don't show them together, stagnate the characters. Gay Ikuno is displaced in this world that relies on binary sexual compatibility, stagnate the character by limiting her to 1 minute of angst per episode. The only thing that feeds me is the dank memes and schooling the real-life Futoshis who think Kokoro is a whore for breaking a childish one-sided promise. Are you shitting me?! The entire point of the character is to be waifu bait for otakus. She's more waifu bait than Asuna! The very foundation of her character isn't the existential crisis of not being human or Klaxosaur or being deprived of human social interactions. It's being with her "darling". |
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MoonStar9 said: 18 episodes of nothing but teen angst and drama. No questions about the world or its inhabitants have been answered despite characters literally going from being acquaintances to being married and possibly with child. In a futuristic world of Kaijus and teen soldiers piloting mechs powered by sexual compatibility, the viewers are instead limited to watching episodes of teen romance and drama with no exploration of the world beyond that. This anime is true to its fanbase - Zero substance, zero plot, just seasonal waifu shit recolored in the form of Zero Two. Apart from Mitsuru, Kokoro, and Zero Two who is probably the most waifu-pandering character of 2018 so far, no other character has received any development 18 episodes into the series. And even then their development is limited to teenage romance because that's the bread and butter of this anime - not a compelling story with interesting themes, Zero Two waifu who will sell our merchandise. The MC is so generic that he can literally be replaced with any other seasonal romcom MC and nothing would change as his role is simply to serve as a self-insert for waifu-pandering Zero Two. And every other character stagnates. Mitsuru and Kokoro are developing, wipe their memories and stagnate the cast further. Goro likes Ichigo who like Hiro who is intimate with Zero Two? Don't show them together, stagnate the characters. Gay Ikuno is displaced in this world that relies on binary sexual compatibility, stagnate the character by limiting her to 1 minute of angst per episode. The only thing that feeds me is the dank memes and schooling the real-life Futoshis who think Kokoro is a whore for breaking a childish one-sided promise. MoonStar9 said: Are you shitting me?! The entire point of the character is to be waifu bait for otakus. She's more waifu bait than Asuna! The very foundation of her character isn't the existential crisis of not being human or Klaxosaur or being deprived of human social interactions. It's being with her "darling". The truest words has never been spoken. |
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| The series just reveal hints of plot and feels like dragging the story. But it is in good direction in my opinion. |
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| It's a good show, and the characters are actually interesting and feel like they're acting like kids or more 'real' vs plenty of the cringy tropes we see filling many a anime lately. It's a mixture of 'plot' and 'characters carrying the show' and it's a good one. It's like Hyouka all over again, since it isn't turning out to be what all of the weebs thought it would be, they shit on it. But in the end it's a great show and they all look like idiots. |
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| I honest;y don't know what's worse at this point. The drama in this show, or the drama this show has cause throughout the anime community lol |
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MoonStar9 said: so let me get this straight you posted some gifs of a character being playful and having fun so I guess most characters are waifu bait and did you watch episode 13 no shit she wants to be with her darling it’s perfectly explained in the anime. Your argument basically is, a character being in love, and doing cute shit makes them waifu bait what ridiculous nonsense.spideypeter000 said: Zero Two has been shown in femme fatale light she is a murder that isn’t waifu-pandering you can’t get salty a character is liked, called waifu and sells merchandise lmfao. Are you shitting me?! The entire point of the character is to be waifu bait for otakus. She's more waifu bait than Asuna! The very foundation of her character isn't the existential crisis of not being human or Klaxosaur or being deprived of human social interactions. It's being with her "darling". |
spideypeter000May 21, 2018 8:41 AM
MoonStar9 said: Waifu bait are perfect and flawless does pretty much no wrong designed for maximum desirability, that isn’t Zero Two just riding with her could cause death, she has abusive, murderous, non caring character traits, literally abused the MC & knocked out his friends. The fact you are comparing her with Asuna shows you have zero clue what you are talking about. spideypeter000 said: Zero Two has been shown in femme fatale light she is a murder that isn’t waifu-pandering you can’t get salty a character is liked, called waifu and sells merchandise lmfao. Are you shitting me?! The entire point of the character is to be waifu bait for otakus. She's more waifu bait than Asuna! The very foundation of her character isn't the existential crisis of not being human or Klaxosaur or being deprived of human social interactions. It's being with her "darling". |
Mercy_maya6May 21, 2018 9:57 AM
Mercy_maya6 said: MoonStar9 said: Waifu bait are perfect and flawless does pretty much no wrong designed for maximum desirability, that isn’t Zero Two just riding with her could cause death, she has abusive, murderous, non caring character traits, literally abused the MC & knocked out his friends. The fact you are comparing her with Asuna shows you have zero clue what you are talking about. Are you shitting me?! The entire point of the character is to be waifu bait for otakus. She's more waifu bait than Asuna! The very foundation of her character isn't the existential crisis of not being human or Klaxosaur or being deprived of human social interactions. It's being with her "darling". Wrong. waifu bait characters are perfect and flawless in every aspect but a few to which the MC is created to resolve for her. Not the character herself. Zero Two is the biggest waifu bait character to have come out in recent memory. spideypeter000 said: MoonStar9 said: so let me get this straight you posted some gifs of a character being playful and having fun so I guess most characters are waifu bait and did you watch episode 13 no shit she wants to be with her darling it’s perfectly explained in the anime. Your argument basically is, a character being in love, and doing cute shit makes them waifu bait what ridiculous nonsense.Are you shitting me?! The entire point of the character is to be waifu bait for otakus. She's more waifu bait than Asuna! The very foundation of her character isn't the existential crisis of not being human or Klaxosaur or being deprived of human social interactions. It's being with her "darling". The point of the gifs is to illustrate the worth of the character. Stop arguing semantics. This is the character's worth. Not her existential dilemma and subsequent resolution of this. Moe and erotica. Being lovey-dovey with her husbando just as with Asuna throughout SAO. Essentially what is depicted in those pictures is Zero Two's worth. That's why the artist for the manga is Kentaro Yabuki, famous for his unashamed sexual drawings in To Love Ru. And for what it's worth, I didn't even search for those pictures specifically all I did was type her name in and those pictures were at the top of the chart. She's the biggest waifu bait of recent memory. |
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MoonStar9 said: Your illustration of what a waifu bait character is so wide and nonsensical I don’t even see the point of calling a character it using your logic, those are typical interactions between couples and let’s use the last few laid back episodes as indicators of worth since that’s where those gifs are from, it’s pretty much let’s have underage sex, lets make babies, totally ignorant to the responsibilities of parenthood, and let’s throw a wedding for our friends being total idiotsMercy_maya6 said: Waifu bait are perfect and flawless does pretty much no wrong designed for maximum desirability, that isn’t Zero Two just riding with her could cause death, she has abusive, murderous, non caring character traits, literally abused the MC & knocked out his friends. The fact you are comparing her with Asuna shows you have zero clue what you are talking about. Wrong. waifu bait characters are perfect and flawless in every aspect but a few to which the MC is created to resolve for her. Not the character herself. Zero Two is the biggest waifu bait character to have come out in recent memory. spideypeter000 said: so let me get this straight you posted some gifs of a character being playful and having fun so I guess most characters are waifu bait and did you watch episode 13 no shit she wants to be with her darling it’s perfectly explained in the anime. Your argument basically is, a character being in love, and doing cute shit makes them waifu bait what ridiculous nonsense. The point of the gifs is to illustrate the worth of the character. Stop arguing semantics. This is the character's worth. Not her existential dilemma and subsequent resolution of this. Moe and erotica. Being lovey-dovey with her husbando just as with Asuna throughout SAO. Essentially what is depicted in those pictures is Zero Two's worth. That's why the artist for the manga is Kentaro Yabuki, famous for his unashamed sexual drawings in To Love Ru. And for what it's worth, I didn't even search for those pictures specifically all I did was type her name in and those pictures were at the top of the chart. She's the biggest waifu bait of recent memory. |
MoonStar9 said: Mercy_maya6 said: Waifu bait are perfect and flawless does pretty much no wrong designed for maximum desirability, that isn’t Zero Two just riding with her could cause death, she has abusive, murderous, non caring character traits, literally abused the MC & knocked out his friends. The fact you are comparing her with Asuna shows you have zero clue what you are talking about. Wrong. waifu bait characters are perfect and flawless in every aspect but a few to which the MC is created to resolve for her. Not the character herself. Zero Two is the biggest waifu bait character to have come out in recent memory. spideypeter000 said: so let me get this straight you posted some gifs of a character being playful and having fun so I guess most characters are waifu bait and did you watch episode 13 no shit she wants to be with her darling it’s perfectly explained in the anime. Your argument basically is, a character being in love, and doing cute shit makes them waifu bait what ridiculous nonsense. The point of the gifs is to illustrate the worth of the character. Stop arguing semantics. This is the character's worth. Not her existential dilemma and subsequent resolution of this. Moe and erotica. Being lovey-dovey with her husbando just as with Asuna throughout SAO. Essentially what is depicted in those pictures is Zero Two's worth. That's why the artist for the manga is Kentaro Yabuki, famous for his unashamed sexual drawings in To Love Ru. And for what it's worth, I didn't even search for those pictures specifically all I did was type her name in and those pictures were at the top of the chart. She's the biggest waifu bait of recent memory. Waifu bait characters don’t have built-in flaws they are perfect for maximum desirability this is about the viewer nothing to do with the MC Let’s use your argument Zero Two is a killer that isn’t going anywhere it’s still dangerous to ride with her those aren’t resolvable so by your own rules Zero Two still isn’t a Waifu Bait I don’t know how much clearer the creators could’ve been to show this isn’t some dream Waifu girl and there are consequences to be with her maybe they need to write it out on the horns growing outta Hiro’s head for you? |
Mercy_maya6May 21, 2018 7:13 PM
Mercy_maya6 said: Thank You! Someone with some common sense lmaoMoonStar9 said: Wrong. waifu bait characters are perfect and flawless in every aspect but a few to which the MC is created to resolve for her. Not the character herself. Zero Two is the biggest waifu bait character to have come out in recent memory. The point of the gifs is to illustrate the worth of the character. Stop arguing semantics. This is the character's worth. Not her existential dilemma and subsequent resolution of this. Moe and erotica. Being lovey-dovey with her husbando just as with Asuna throughout SAO. Essentially what is depicted in those pictures is Zero Two's worth. That's why the artist for the manga is Kentaro Yabuki, famous for his unashamed sexual drawings in To Love Ru. And for what it's worth, I didn't even search for those pictures specifically all I did was type her name in and those pictures were at the top of the chart. She's the biggest waifu bait of recent memory. Waifu bait characters don’t have built-in flaws they are perfect for maximum desirability this is about the viewer nothing to do with the MC Let’s use your argument Zero Two is a killer that isn’t going anywhere it’s still dangerous to ride with her those aren’t resolvable so by your own rules Zero Two still isn’t a Waifu Bait I don’t know how much clearer the creators could’ve been to show this isn’t some dream Waifu girl and there are consequences to be with her maybe they need to write it out on the horns growing outta Hiro’s head for you? |
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