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Dec 20, 2017 12:20 PM
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Just think about it! Scores = Power; take them away and they loose said power!
Scores wouldn't exist, the subjectivity and objectivity meme wouldn't be able to coexist in this ecosystem; reviewers and elitist wouldn't exist. Questions of "Why did you score this so high/low?" "Why do you have no scores?" etc wouldn't be a thing! Everyone will be happy because everyone will have good taste automatically! Honestly I think I'm onto something big here! But ... with no scores comes no scale of what is good or bad ... there would be chaos and people will be screaming ... total anarchy! Ugh, I'm shivering just thinking about it ... maybe this wasn't such a good idea after all, what do you think residents of MAL? Will it be heaven or hell if scores were to disappear from MAL hypothetically speaking?
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Dec 20, 2017 12:22 PM
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Some fandoms (that are built on the fact of score system) would stop exist.
Dec 20, 2017 12:24 PM
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What if MAL didn't have shitposters?
Dec 20, 2017 12:25 PM
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Swagernator said:
Some fandoms (that are built on the fact of score system) would stop exist.


Exactly ... isn't that making you scared? No numbers means total freedom .. means anarchy ... dose that mean numbers are the key to civilization?
Dec 20, 2017 12:26 PM
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Aquamirror said:
What if MAL didn't have shitposters?


Then the forums wouldn't be a thing ... sadly.
Dec 20, 2017 12:27 PM
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Doremi-fag said:
Exactly ... isn't that making you scared? No numbers means total freedom .. means anarchy ... dose that mean numbers are the key to civilization?

We are both talking about two different kind of fandoms.

Aquamirror said:
What if MAL didn't have shitposters?

That sounds like a bad idea.
Dec 20, 2017 12:28 PM
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Aquamirror said:
What if MAL didn't have shitposters?


Now we all know that's impossible... But we can dream
Dec 20, 2017 12:29 PM
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Swagernator said:
Doremi-fag said:
Exactly ... isn't that making you scared? No numbers means total freedom .. means anarchy ... dose that mean numbers are the key to civilization?

We are both talking about two different kind of fandoms.


You don't get it man, you can apply my theory to your question and you will get the answer!
Dec 20, 2017 12:29 PM
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We'd probably be having this thread on Kitsu that be the case
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Dec 20, 2017 12:29 PM

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You know what would happen? Popularity would replace score as the main indicator people use to judge a show. So it would be fucking cancer³
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Dec 20, 2017 12:32 PM

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Pullman said:
You know what would happen? Popularity would replace score as the main indicator people use to judge a show. So it would be fucking cancer³

Like if this wasn't already a thing here on MAL.
Dec 20, 2017 12:32 PM

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Pullman said:
You know what would happen? Popularity would replace score as the main indicator people use to judge a show. So it would be fucking cancer³
Yes, since many people will consider that "being popular = being good" and that would suck so much... I mean, sometimes it's true but... There are so many shows that aren't good or even decent and are popular.
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Pullman said:
You know what would happen? Popularity would replace score as the main indicator people use to judge a show. So it would be fucking cancer³


Jesus man ... we will become like a second 4chan or Reddit ... but wait a minute ... isn't MAL already only using like a 10 to 7 rating scale? That means it is only using one third of it's potential ... like wtf. What happened to the other numbers am I right?!
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Swagernator said:
Some fandoms (that are built on the fact of score system) would stop exist.
Haha, just a couple nights ago I found people talking about the SAO hatedom.

Anyway...

I wouldn't mind a score system not existing. I could substitute my own score system of my choice in the tags section anyway.
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Dec 20, 2017 12:42 PM

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It would probably just simplify to favorites to judge people and as stated popularity to judge the show, that and people who really wanted to could still do personal blogs of their scores or add them to their about me section like a ranking list.
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CatchyUsername said:
Dude, at first I thought this was shitposting... but actually, you're quite on spot. I imagine it would be a better place for sure, despite the inevitable chaos that'd follow. Just wondering how many stupid questions would never be asked and stupid threads about 'why so low/high' never be written down is somewhat relieving.


Exactly what I had in mind actually ... but now thinking about it ... isn't MAL already in a kinda semi-chaos? Most are only using like a 10 to 7 scale to rate their shows. They ain't using the full potential of the scale! That means 6 doesn't mean fine, 5 doesn't mean average etc ... 7 is average by that logic and everything below is either unpopular or varying lv of badness ... or simply old shows. In other words ... people are judging shows simply on popularity here ... scores are untranslatable and unusable ... why did it become like this I wonder tho?
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The good side is that you have kind of a quality certificate, when you find a high rated show, but the bad side is the fandoms that thinks the score is absolute and fight for positions on the rank
Dec 20, 2017 12:48 PM

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MAL scores are great, the anime world would be worse off without them.
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Dec 20, 2017 12:49 PM

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Something something tells me the lack of a scoring system would make this website way less appealing for most people, including myself. While I personally don't like scores that much, they are great for promoting (or at least attempting to promote) discussion and critical thinking.
Dec 20, 2017 12:50 PM

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Then Anime War 2 would have started and we all would be slaved by the Kirito Order.


Dec 20, 2017 12:56 PM
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It would be a happy place...probably.
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HappyNeko said:
The good side is that you have kind of a quality certificate, when you find a high rated show, but the bad side is the fandoms that thinks the score is absolute and fight for positions on the rank


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Then Anime War 2 would have started and we all would be slaved by the Kirito Order.


I mean this is the kind of conspiracy I'm talking about here people! Manipulation of the score has been a thing since ancient times! Look at Gintama or Erased ... or Kimi no Nawa for a recent one ... when 5 years go by people will be left with only the base score to judge if it is good or bad and if that is high ... well ... we have ourselves a "classic" do we not? How do you all think SAO, FMAB or Gintama became the monsters they are today?! Мanipulation of the scores!! This is really scary shit I'm talking about here.
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I mean if MAL removed the score system wouldn't people just use the tags on their list and add scores there

Like seriously if people didn't want to score they'd just keep it at the select option so there wouldn't be any number

I don't think you can quote on quote remove scoring as people will find a way to represent their likes and dislikes somehow if they so wished
Dec 20, 2017 1:12 PM
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I think most people on MAL simply don't give a fuck. They never post, never comment, never do anything besides watching/reading and registering. So MAL is kinda divided in the middle. They're the cause of the 'problem', but they're technically the best users once they're not harmful at all. Problem is when people started using numbers to assign value outside the idea of simply scoring and now it helps to build their identity somehow (like, wtf). I think most people will never use the full scale, thus, making the show's general scores meaningless. I also think most people won't get their heads out of their asses and stop raising stupid questions, so I'm already in the 'acceptance' stage of things. My problem is always with people who take this medium far too seriously. Other than that, I'm fine enough.


Yes, but the thing is how many of those can we assume are actually ... not fake accounts to simply manipulate MAL's base score when a popular bandwagon appears? It already happened with SAO, ERASED, FMAB insert every popular seasonal anime here. I do understand where you are coming from that people don't care and I'm fine with that, but that way they are destroying and rendering the purpose of a 10 scale scoring system meaningless. There is no balance and many shows which don't have the popularity to back'em up end up underappreciated and lost gems of sorts. Also I understand what you mean, the Elitist kind take it to another level but by scoring low they do serve the role of the balancer ... role which they serve badly because their numbers are low so they end up being useless as a whole, only making people hateful of the old shows and so on by their attitudes alone, huh. Anyway ... the later part about questions is just human nature. MAL is the most popular anime site after all ... that is both a bad and a good thing tbh.
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Darek said:
Not to be that guy but...

... The idea of subjectivity and objectivity are not related to scores at all, in fact I barely even see scores mentioned in any thread about the two. Reviewers would still exist, just because there is no scores does not automatically mean there is no review option, (which btw having an option not to score reviews would be great). Elitist would still exist too. Maybe questions about scores would be gone but people would still latch onto something, like your drops, or your favorites.

Basically, nothing would change. The system is not the issue here (well, not entirely at least) the people are.


You got a point ... but with the scores gone from the reviews the reviewers would need to put more effort and the readers would need to put the effort of actually reading and so on. Cause let's be honest ... most judge based on the score alone and only take a glance at the written part. As for the favorites part, yes, I see my error there ... but with no base score of the series that would also require a fine deal of argumentation and talking to come out. No scores would mean no clearer definition of what is actually good or bad. The community it self, or rather the individual himself would need to put in the effort to decipher or come up with his own meanings. And yes elitist will never cease but they as well would need to work off that way! Because there would not be a clear distinguishing between bad or good shows ... at least not yet. Question is ... when that line gets established and everything repeat itself ... what would we do?
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I mean if MAL removed the score system wouldn't people just use the tags on their list and add scores there

Like seriously if people didn't want to score they'd just keep it at the select option so there wouldn't be any number

I don't think you can quote on quote remove scoring as people will find a way to represent their likes and dislikes somehow if they so wished


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There are people who don't even use Mal's rating system, so there would just be more of that, improvised rating systems and clubs about them.
Dec 20, 2017 1:29 PM

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Some people would think Death Note, AoT, and SAO are the top best anime of all time because they are the most popular on MAL.

Though, I don't think MAL would be as big as it is now without the rating system.
Dec 20, 2017 1:32 PM
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I wouldn't be able to distinguish people with shit taste from people with the good one... so it would be a catastrophe.
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people will just create their own scoring systems , some already do anyways
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Aslt said:
I wouldn't be able to distinguish people with shit taste from people with the good one... so it would be a catastrophe.


Exactly my friend, exactly ... everyone will automatically have a good taste!

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Some people would think Death Note, AoT, and SAO are the top best anime of all time because they are the most popular on MAL.

Though, I don't think MAL would be as big as it is now without the rating system.


Yes, that too will happen and is already happening! Isn't it funny how many rely on something like the untrustworthy biased MAL scores to distinguish good to bad? But yes, popularity would fall as well, people will loose the competitive side of the site, and it won't be a very fun place. In fact ... what if this semi-chaos sate of MAL is what makes it such a popular place for many to begin with, hmmm.
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Dec 20, 2017 1:49 PM
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Scores definitely shouldn't go away. It gives an indicator whether the show is good or bad. A lot of people would argue that score doesn't make something objectively good , as someone could give a show a 1 or a 10 depending on their mood or preference. Score serves to give the opinion of the majority , presenting you with something you're more likely to enjoy based on how many people enjoyed it and how much , so scoring/rating systems are extremely useful , and allow people to find shows they have a higher probability of liking. Take SAO for instance , notorious for having two sides with distinctly opposite views , but surprisingly a lot of people still like it , reflected by the score.
Yes people could create fake accounts but in the end they won't make enough to sway a majority opinion of a popular anime.

However , if scores were removed, then it may be easier for us to start an anime series without the bias of knowing it's bad anyway because of a low score. It could mean that you could find a show that may have once gotten a bad score , but you actually like , and you aren't swayed by a bad score , as it wouldn't exist.
Overall scoring should be kept , mainly because it's a useful tool , and tells us what is good depending on a majority vote. If we had no scoring , it would be more difficult to find shows we may enjoy , as there are quite a large amount of bad shows out there , which we wouldn't be able to distinguish. If scoring were to be removed I would personally be upset at the thought of wasting time on something less likely to be good.

TLDR; Of course scoring should remain.
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A horrible idea.
How would you even draw the line between the anime you like and the anime you don't like?
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Scores definitely shouldn't go away. It gives an indicator whether the show is good or bad. A lot of people would argue that score doesn't make something objectively good , as someone could give a show a 1 or a 10 depending on their mood or preference. Score serves to give the opinion of the majority , presenting you with something you're more likely to enjoy based on how many people enjoyed it and how much , so scoring/rating systems are extremely useful , and allow people to find shows they have a higher probability of liking. Take SAO for instance , notorious for having two sides with distinctly opposite views , but surprisingly a lot of people still like it , reflected by the score.
Yes people could create fake accounts but in the end they won't make enough to sway a majority opinion of a popular anime.

However , if scores were removed, then it may be easier for us to start an anime series without the bias of knowing it's bad anyway because of a low score. It could mean that you could find a show that may have once gotten a bad score , but you actually like , and you aren't swayed by a bad score , as it wouldn't exist.
Overall scoring should be kept , mainly because it's a useful tool , and tells us what is good depending on a majority vote. If we had no scoring , it would be more difficult to find shows we may enjoy , as there are quite a large amount of bad shows out there , which we wouldn't be able to distinguish. If scoring were to be removed I would personally be upset at the thought of wasting time on something less likely to be good.

TLDR; Of course scoring should remain.


Good answer dude! I can agree with it.
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Ulquiorra said:
A horrible idea.
How would you even draw the line between the anime you like and the anime you don't like?


You will just have to put in work to build opinions on them or smt, and every time someone asks you will go into massive info dump mode ... and then they will know! ;)
Dec 20, 2017 2:24 PM

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I would rather want the Top Listing disappear than to remove scoring.

Though if that happens, a lot of underrated stories will never get recognition and a lot of known stories will be even more popular.

And it would be hard for a beginner to start looking for a good story, and personal list would be the only way to look for a good story which are based on personal preference.

Same case for Imdb which has a comprehensive top listing of movies and tv series including anime.

So I think it's fine as it is, people can rate what ever they want and can make personal listing than to remove the top list which is a good basis for beginners.
Dec 20, 2017 2:28 PM

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It would definitely not be the same, or as popular as it is.
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Then I wouldn't know what the fuck a gintama was
Dec 20, 2017 3:13 PM

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It doesn´t matter for me because I´m watching mostly anime by "popularity" lots of top in score ranking are in my drop list so that´s it
Dec 20, 2017 3:28 PM

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Then I wouldn't be using the website at all.
Plus, however you design your rating system, people are always the problem here. If they're not willing to use it as intended, then the ratings will simply be screwed.
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What about 'Like/Dislike' option?

Some of us have more nuanced feelings. :|
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What if there is no anime and manga database? Everything got deleted.
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Being popular is overrated, trust me I know things.
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In some ways, maybe heaven. I've been losing my mind trying to figure out what to score anime.
Like, I'll feel really strongly about certain anime, but not be sure whether I feel it's an 8 or 9, and the frustration kills me.
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I mean... like, you can't see their scores, that's the only thing changing. The users opinion on the show doesn't change because there is no way to put scores... then MAL would literally be an "MyAnimeList" without the scores. Just an anime list.



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Aquamirror said:
What if MAL didn't have shitposters?

But this one is a cute shitpost. ^^

Tbh, I don't dislike this idea, because you are not automatically biased. Even if the bias wouldn't disappear. There are also a review and forum section and some people read reviews before watching an anime. I mostly read them afterwards for fun.

Also, I like to look at scores. You get an idea of their taste and what they liked. Sure, you also can use tags as comments and show your favs, use your profile and maybe blogs too. But scores "sort" them.


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Jesus man ... we will become like a second 4chan or Reddit ... but wait a minute ... isn't MAL already only using like a 10 to 7 rating scale? That means it is only using one third of it's potential ... like wtf. What happened to the other numbers am I right?!


Maybe that's because by MAL's standard, 6 is fine, so rating 1-5 is for anime that are not fine. And if an anime is worth finishing they are probably fine, so 1-5 are pretty hard to use~
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Everyone would freak out, I think. I don't really know how important it is to people. For me personally, it would be a nuisance. Scores provide an easy way for me to refresh my memory on what I thought about shows in the past and organize them from best to worst so I don't have to fret if I don't remember them.
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