logic340 said: Well i still can't see it as a reason to scumread him whatsoever.wen294 said: I asked RE a question and Penta intercepted it. Sure I brought it up but Penta decided to have mechanics on his own not because he was asked about it. Big difference in how you're portraying things. Also it's not something that I was spending a bunch of time on yet Penta says let's not spend too much time on this.I think logic was the one who got started with sledge, then penta gave his answer to logic's question. Because people didn't know what a jumper was it turned to mechanics. I really didn't get the feeling that penta wanted to talk about mechanics from the start though, but that the conversation just kinda went there and then he stopped it from going on for too long. Penta just answered you. Even if the question wasn't directly aimed at you you asked it to multiple people and at the time i also thought it was more of a question aimed at the group than 1 individual. His reply was normal and the only reason it turned to mechanics was because other people asked penta about the mechanics. Your contribution to the convo turning to mechanics there was as big as penta's tbh. |
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Votes so far! PentaFlare (1) - (Suzune-chan) Shinichi-Kun (1) - (Militus) logic340 (2) - (AbuHumaid, PentaFlare) ironace (4) - (Sleipnirr, wen294, Rinto-kun, grrr) PTYamin (2) - (yurkin, RE1031]) AbuHumaid (1) - (reiynii) Militus (2) - (logic340, ironace) reiynii (1) - (Coelestin) Not voting: Shinichi-Kun, DenjaX, PTYamin, SuzakuTsubasa, Karote Time until Night 1! TIMER! |
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PentaFlare said: Dunno never seen it before. Sounds like an inpractical idea to me. If the person isn't very active or just can't be on before phase change due to timezones the entire plan kinda just falls apart and turns into the bashing of a person that isn't on.wen294 said: @Pentaflare interesting idea but how does that work out exactly? Sounds like it'll end up being a repeat of points that the player already replied to which then drags on for overly long and just ends up with annoyed people. No. I have no idea how that would happen. This actually results in new content instead of long conversations that drag on. Run people up, get claims, decide. This is not a new idea like you seem to be implying. This is how to play open setups. |
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wen294 said: PentaFlare said: Dunno never seen it before. Sounds like an inpractical idea to me. If the person isn't very active or just can't be on before phase change due to timezones the entire plan kinda just falls apart and turns into the bashing of a person that isn't on.No. I have no idea how that would happen. This actually results in new content instead of long conversations that drag on. Run people up, get claims, decide. This is not a new idea like you seem to be implying. This is how to play open setups. This will work. The problem is that there are almost no open set-ups played in MS. I play on another forum that almost exclusively plays open set-ups. This is how to play. If you aren't going to be online at any point leading up to the phase change, you need to say that. It is a very important time, so if you are going to miss all of it and don't tell anyone, you aren't going to be given lynch immunity. |
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| @PentaFlare Interesting. So no open set-ups these days in MS? What is the reason for that? |
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The_Pyromaani said: @PentaFlare Interesting. So no open set-ups these days in MS? What is the reason for that? Just the meta I guess. There was a big shift away from them when mass claiming kept breaking games. I don't know why they haven't come back. |
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| Castle panic and EEM had an open set-up, no? I get penta's idea from the time with spoonfeeding, sleip etc. So basically question players one by one to clear them or something, ok i got it. |
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yurkin said: Castle panic and EEM had a open set-up, no? I get penta's idea from the time with spoonfeeding, sleip etc. So basically question players one by one to clear them or something, ok i got it. No. Castle panic wasn't completely open. There were hidden elements in that game. Before Easter Egg, the last open set-up I can think of was Akatsuki no Yona. |
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| @yurkin Are you willing to vote for logic? We need to get trains building and lynch pressure on players. |
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PentaFlare said: yurkin said: Castle panic and EEM had a open set-up, no? I get penta's idea from the time with spoonfeeding, sleip etc. So basically question players one by one to clear them or something, ok i got it. No. Castle panic wasn't completely open. There were hidden elements in that game. Before Easter Egg, the last open set-up I can think of was Akatsuki no Yona. Although I was mostly on hiatus from September to December, so something could have happened then. |
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PentaFlare said: @yurkin Are you willing to vote for logic? We need to get trains building and lynch pressure on players. >: hmm penta, my vote itself wont do much of pressure, since its not my thing in general to pressure players with my vote that is. But i dont mind the idea of questioning... so maybe i can. The only flaw i see there is that people like yamin cant get questioned due to their activity. |
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PentaFlare said: The_Pyromaani said: @PentaFlare Interesting. So no open set-ups these days in MS? What is the reason for that? Just the meta I guess. There was a big shift away from them when mass claiming kept breaking games. I don't know why they haven't come back. Naruhodo. Back in the days people rlly didnt rlly use mass claiming before some point of game just to keep it fun lol |
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PentaFlare said: you don't necessarily have to run me up. If you ask nicely I might be willing to share that information with you I don't have a very powerful role per se so I do think that at some point I want to reveal what I am anyways. You might could even say I have hinted to it in the thread if you look at my post you may be able to pick up on what it is.Everyone please read this carefully Although it is great that people are providing reads and listing people for Karote, since that does show where everyone is in terms of mindset, we can't forget that we are lynching someone in 7 hours. That needs to be our focus right now. Because this is an open set-up, there is a way we should be approach this part of the phase. There seems to be a few suspects that many different people are wary of. To decide the lynch, ad need to run each of these players up one at a time. Focus on them for a moment, force a claim, decide if their claim is believable, and let them defend themself. If they seem good after this, we move on to another suspect. The most suspicious person gets lynched. This approach is very effective at sorting players and getting interaction that is very telling once there have been flips, but go do this, there needs to be focus from the town and an effort to get things done. I would like to start with logic. I have reasons to suspect him, but others have also said they are feeling a little suspicious or wary of him. Let's run him up, force a claim, and get a my heart clearer read, one way or the other. We need other people to vote him though to get him as the leading train. I don't want this to devolve into a last minute scramble. We have 7 hours, so if we start now we can make an educated lynch that is many times more likely to catch scum. |
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PentaFlare said: PentaFlare said: No. Castle panic wasn't completely open. There were hidden elements in that game. Before Easter Egg, the last open set-up I can think of was Akatsuki no Yona. Although I was mostly on hiatus from September to December, so something could have happened then. Btw penta, since you play open set-ups elsewhere, are these more easily won by town? Meaning isn't it like impossible for scums to hide and win in such set-ups? |
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wen294 said: I probably had more to do with and I don't have a scum read on Panta so not sure where that is even coming from. I've said multiple times he's in neutral and I'm taking my time in developing that read.logic340 said: Well i still can't see it as a reason to scumread him whatsoever.I asked RE a question and Penta intercepted it. Sure I brought it up but Penta decided to have mechanics on his own not because he was asked about it. Big difference in how you're portraying things. Also it's not something that I was spending a bunch of time on yet Penta says let's not spend too much time on this. Penta just answered you. Even if the question wasn't directly aimed at you you asked it to multiple people and at the time i also thought it was more of a question aimed at the group than 1 individual. His reply was normal and the only reason it turned to mechanics was because other people asked penta about the mechanics. Your contribution to the convo turning to mechanics there was as big as penta's tbh. |
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Floofs said: I would hope not...lol. logic340 said: @Rinto-kun your grace period is over. Thoughts on the lead train and it's voters? @AbuHumaid if you could share your thoughts as you catch up it would be much appreciated. @PTYamin I'm going to find it pretty scummy if you pop up to vote at phase change with the D1 you've had so far @Floofs this is eerily similar to your recent scum game. Same thing I said to PTYamin applies to you (especially with how those two EoD's went in Gakkougurashi!). Just because I did it once doesn't make it my special move XD |
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wen294 said: fair enough I see what you're getting at. Unless I do something really stupid I'm pretty sure I'm be seeing D2. It's not really a plan as much ss my reasoning for not wanting to lynch him D1 for no apparent reason.logic340 said: inb4 you get nightkilled N1 and scum!sleip wraps up the game.just do you know my read on Sleipnirr is also neutral right now. After he wrecked me in Castle Panic and I Vigged him in Stray Dogs I realized something about Sleipnirr's late game play as town. I promised him I wouldn't let him be lynch fodder D1 because he's an important asset if he's town and I'm confident I can catch him as scum. So unless I'm certain he's scum or there is a great case against him in not touching it. A plan that relies on you making it into late game, and especially when you announce that plan beforehand, has a habit of failing. Might be just me tho. |
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logic340 said: PentaFlare said: you don't necessarily have to run me up. If you ask nicely I might be willing to share that information with you I don't have a very powerful role per se so I do think that at some point I want to reveal what I am anyways. You might could even say I have hinted to it in the thread if you look at my post you may be able to pick up on what it is.Everyone please read this carefully Although it is great that people are providing reads and listing people for Karote, since that does show where everyone is in terms of mindset, we can't forget that we are lynching someone in 7 hours. That needs to be our focus right now. Because this is an open set-up, there is a way we should be approach this part of the phase. There seems to be a few suspects that many different people are wary of. To decide the lynch, ad need to run each of these players up one at a time. Focus on them for a moment, force a claim, decide if their claim is believable, and let them defend themself. If they seem good after this, we move on to another suspect. The most suspicious person gets lynched. This approach is very effective at sorting players and getting interaction that is very telling once there have been flips, but go do this, there needs to be focus from the town and an effort to get things done. I would like to start with logic. I have reasons to suspect him, but others have also said they are feeling a little suspicious or wary of him. Let's run him up, force a claim, and get a my heart clearer read, one way or the other. We need other people to vote him though to get him as the leading train. I don't want this to devolve into a last minute scramble. We have 7 hours, so if we start now we can make an educated lynch that is many times more likely to catch scum. Revealing too much is risky. The aim for claiming is to get a read on suspects. If everyone claims willy nilly, we will lose the really important roles like cop fast. That's why I'm suggesting getting claims from those who are run up, and not just randomly from anyone. |
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yurkin said: PentaFlare said: Although I was mostly on hiatus from September to December, so something could have happened then. Btw penta, since you play open set-ups elsewhere, are these more easily won by town? Meaning isn't it like impossible for scums to hide and win in such set-ups? It's within 1% of a 50/50 win rate. That forum has a backend server for mafia that keeps track of every game and over almost 5000 games, the win rate is pretty close to 50/50 |
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PentaFlare said: fair enough continue pushing let's see how things progress.logic340 said: you don't necessarily have to run me up. If you ask nicely I might be willing to share that information with you I don't have a very powerful role per se so I do think that at some point I want to reveal what I am anyways. You might could even say I have hinted to it in the thread if you look at my post you may be able to pick up on what it is. Revealing too much is risky. The aim for claiming is to get a read on suspects. If everyone claims willy nilly, we will lose the really important roles like cop fast. That's why I'm suggesting getting claims from those who are run up, and not just randomly from anyone. |
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logic340 said: PentaFlare said: fair enough continue pushing let's see how things progress.Revealing too much is risky. The aim for claiming is to get a read on suspects. If everyone claims willy nilly, we will lose the really important roles like cop fast. That's why I'm suggesting getting claims from those who are run up, and not just randomly from anyone. If you are willing to claim though I would appreciate it in this situation since town all seems to be gone right now. We'll play it pretending you are being run up. |
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PentaFlare said: Shinichi-Kun said: Tbf im the same way with jack and penta i almost lways distrust them cause of their capabilities. I mean sightless reality practically lurked every game and he was only scum once out of his like 10 games so chi chi is kinda right. Actually, tbf, I finished making mafia stats for myself recently. I have a 33% win rate as mafia. I'm not as good at playing mafia as everyone thinks. I dont think that changes the fact ur scary when it comes to making fake claims lol im just glad u cant do it here haha. |
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logic340 said: Can you explain what you mean by "weird coming from you"? The whole roleplaying and fluff posts is just weird, either he feels like tpr. |
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logic340 said: Shinichi-Kun said: I moved off for now but revising this wont be a bad idea.Honestly this is a pretty good lead to follow once im all caught up and see the newest vote count i might help logic out on this train. Boo i was looking forward to this train. Anyawys im on page 15 |
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PentaFlare said: Cause closed set-up is more enjoyable? At least imo it is.The_Pyromaani said: @PentaFlare Interesting. So no open set-ups these days in MS? What is the reason for that? Just the meta I guess. There was a big shift away from them when mass claiming kept breaking games. I don't know why they haven't come back. Open games are just far less interesting. |
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PentaFlare said: I'm Hibana the Hider. I am so happy with this role because now I have the opportunity to evade the night kill which follows me so closely (8 times in 13 town games). I feel like this is kind of an informative role as well since depending on who I hide behind I know that they're either town or tpr and if I die then they were Mafia (ofc I'll share who I hid behind moments to phase change).If you are willing to claim though I would appreciate it in this situation since town all seems to be gone right now. We'll play it pretending you are being run up. While I do think it would have been nice to be targeted and have them wasted a shot on me while hiding. Now that it's out there they can sip wine over where I'll hide or will I just chill at home? edit: fixed game numbers |
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PentaFlare said: wen294 said: Dunno never seen it before. Sounds like an inpractical idea to me. If the person isn't very active or just can't be on before phase change due to timezones the entire plan kinda just falls apart and turns into the bashing of a person that isn't on. This will work. The problem is that there are almost no open set-ups played in MS. I play on another forum that almost exclusively plays open set-ups. This is how to play. If you aren't going to be online at any point leading up to the phase change, you need to say that. It is a very important time, so if you are going to miss all of it and don't tell anyone, you aren't going to be given lynch immunity. Quick note: It's not that i can't be online (well i can't be online during dinner. Hell if i know when exactly that'll be). It's just that i don't really like it when it feels like i'm forced to be online. I just like to check in every now and then and do my stuff, when i feel forced to do something it just feels like a drag and that hurts for the enjoyment i get from a game, which in turn hurts my activity. |
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wen294 said: PentaFlare said: This will work. The problem is that there are almost no open set-ups played in MS. I play on another forum that almost exclusively plays open set-ups. This is how to play. If you aren't going to be online at any point leading up to the phase change, you need to say that. It is a very important time, so if you are going to miss all of it and don't tell anyone, you aren't going to be given lynch immunity. Quick note: It's not that i can't be online (well i can't be online during dinner. Hell if i know when exactly that'll be). It's just that i don't really like it when it feels like i'm forced to be online. I just like to check in every now and then and do my stuff, when i feel forced to do something it just feels like a drag and that hurts for the enjoyment i get from a game, which in turn hurts my activity. But you've been online plenty in the 7 hours leading up to lynch. If someone has a reason they can't, they should say so because it is an important time. |
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PentaFlare said: wen294 said: Quick note: It's not that i can't be online (well i can't be online during dinner. Hell if i know when exactly that'll be). It's just that i don't really like it when it feels like i'm forced to be online. I just like to check in every now and then and do my stuff, when i feel forced to do something it just feels like a drag and that hurts for the enjoyment i get from a game, which in turn hurts my activity. But you've been online plenty in the 7 hours leading up to lynch. If someone has a reason they can't, they should say so because it is an important time. Once every 40 minutes or so, because i happen to be doing something on my laptop, yeah. On the other hand if i wanna go do something else that isn't on my laptop i'd have to go stop that and go back to this thread every now and then and that's just annoying to do. Capiche? I don't like being inactive, but i don't like it when people force me to be active either. |
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Coelestin said: Well, it's true that I am not accomplishing as much as some of the other players but I don't see the point in just following one big train or two and going along with it.Vote: reiynii I don't see you accomplishing much here. Lemme see what you got for me <3 I chose Abu so that I could both pressure him with my vote into coming back to the game and becoming active before the posts accumulate on him and because of everyone saying he is a lurker and him actually kind of being as such from what I noticed this game. I'm having such a bad morning today, and won't be here for phase change but should be around for the next 3 hours before I have to go out |
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wen294 said: PentaFlare said: But you've been online plenty in the 7 hours leading up to lynch. If someone has a reason they can't, they should say so because it is an important time. Once every 40 minutes or so, because i happen to be doing something on my laptop, yeah. On the other hand if i wanna go do something else that isn't on my laptop i'd have to go stop that and go back to this thread every now and then and that's just annoying to do. Capiche? I don't like being inactive, but i don't like it when people force me to be active either. You aren't inactive though. I'm not saying always be on the thread, but 7 hours is a really long time to not check in unless you are sleeping the whole time. I'll gladly give someone a pass if they have a reason not to be on at that time, but if not, I do expect someone to aim to be present at least once leading up to the deadline. |
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SuzakuTsubasa said: I am down for people voting who they are suspicious of rather than people voting to force claims.Since Logic claimed do we continue with the idea and pressure someone else? I don't mind putting my vote if you think it'll help. |
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SuzakuTsubasa said: Since Logic claimed do we continue with the idea and pressure someone else? I don't mind putting my vote if you think it'll help. Yeah. I was just taking a moment to think about the claim. It seems fine to me, so I'm willing to move on to someone else for now unless a counterclaim comes through. |
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logic340 said: SuzakuTsubasa said: I am down for people voting who they are suspicious of rather than people voting to force claims.Since Logic claimed do we continue with the idea and pressure someone else? I don't mind putting my vote if you think it'll help. You vote suspicious people to force claims. It isn't mutually exclusive |
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RE1031 said: Reread and my reads list is a mess. I'm actually pretty content with my vote right now. WTF is my target doing. No offense to your vote but i still feel like its doing nothing, also should i be worried that im still neutral to you?. I feel like Rei Rei is hiding something but that is just me. |
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PentaFlare said: wen294 said: Once every 40 minutes or so, because i happen to be doing something on my laptop, yeah. On the other hand if i wanna go do something else that isn't on my laptop i'd have to go stop that and go back to this thread every now and then and that's just annoying to do. Capiche? I don't like being inactive, but i don't like it when people force me to be active either. You aren't inactive though. I'm not saying always be on the thread, but 7 hours is a really long time to not check in unless you are sleeping the whole time. I'll gladly give someone a pass if they have a reason not to be on at that time, but if not, I do expect someone to aim to be present at least once leading up to the deadline. Once is no problem but if you say pressure Grrr now and he isn't on untill 3 hours from now then those 3 hours wouldn't have gotten you anywhere. Unless you say change votes and pressure to someone else but at that point in time the other person can just lurk when he notices the situation and play it off later. Since the votes are gone he has no further need to worsen his own situation if it means holding out for another day. Idem for any other person really. |
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wen294 said: Also i feel like we aren't really getting anything BUT claims from this and if that's the case why didn't we just accept grrr's massclaim plan in the first place... And it's only usefull if people are on in time to counterclaim. We should be getting things that aren't claims from this, but the problem is that a vast majority of the players aren't online and aren't reacting. There's a little more information being provided though. |
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