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Karote said:


Do you see him as 3rd party?

PentaFlare said:
So, Sleipnirr has been my strongest townread for a good while now, but it was bugging how almost nobody seemed to be talking much about him except to criticize his vote. Since everyone, especially scum, regularly ignores me when I talk about townreads, I figured I should try a different approach to see if I could get other players to give other perspectives on Sleipnirr. I got perspectives from Coel and Karote, but most other people seem to be avoiding Sleipnirr like the plague.

PentaFlare said:
So, Sleipnirr has been my strongest townread for a good while now, but it was bugging how almost nobody seemed to be talking much about him except to criticize his vote. Since everyone, especially scum, regularly ignores me when I talk about townreads, I figured I should try a different approach to see if I could get other players to give other perspectives on Sleipnirr. I got perspectives from Coel and Karote, but most other people seem to be avoiding Sleipnirr like the plague.

That said, there is one person I'm specific whose response bothered me, logic. Logic was the most vocal critic of Sleipnirr's vote, yet wouldn't touch on the subject when I was presenting it in the form of a train. It feels really strange to me, and since I've been getting a pretty evil tonal read from him this game, I'm going to move my vote there.
Vote: logic340

This guy is actually evil. I'm not lying about my read this time.

Sleipnirr said:


Because those are weak reads and if I attack people with weak reads people are gonna blame me for nitpicking my reads not having substance and make that a reason for voting me dont tell me this hasnt happened to me before thats why I wait till the end of the day phase to make a final vote. I am saying that to iron ace to giving him a feel for the game.

logic340 said:
just do you know my read on Sleipnirr is also neutral right now. After he wrecked me in Castle Panic and I Vigged him in Stray Dogs I realized something about Sleipnirr's late game play as town. I promised him I wouldn't let him be lynch fodder D1 because he's an important asset if he's town and I'm confident I can catch him as scum. So unless I'm certain he's scum or there is a great case against him in not touching it.

RE1031 said:

I see. What do you think of PTYamin? I've never played with them and I don't know if they're new or not (they don't sound new), so I'm wondering why they are very inactive right now?
What about yurkin? I get the feeling she and reiynii may be scum buddies, and reiynii is feeding her things to say...
#280 - this seems more like something reiynii would say.....

Shinichi-Kun said:


WHy would the sk kill miller? If miller dies then everyone will know that the sk is someone that is wary and paying attention to the thread. Also miller should claim as soona s possible, if anything hes a good test dummy for harmful effects that may be hidden behind that ??? role.

RE1031 said:

Could you link posts?
I don't town read Sleipnirr too much but he hasn't done anything beyond the norm for his gameplay. I actually fully agreed with logic's response to Karote. But you say he was critical of Sleipnirr's vote earlier? That seems a little contradictory.
As for my current read on logic, I don't think he's scum this time. Purely gut right now.

Obligatory tag: @PTYamin
Where are yoOOUuuuu

logic340 said:
thoughts:
-No vote for me thus far this game which I like but raises concerns because it's something he likes to do. So the fact it isn't happening here is making me question why things have changed?
#113 - This is the closest thing to a claim from grrr thus far. I am used to town grrr claiming something early.
#116 - I am assuming he envisions Karote being the Mayor of this game of as long as he s alive. Not sure if this comes from town or scum mindset.
#124 - I know he likes to claim early and in this instance rather than just straight up do it (which I half expected) he asks for our thoughts and says he wants to mass claim. I have brought up the possibility of a negative reduction to this but he doesn't seems to care as he hasn't responded to it.
#136 - I find it hypocritical to talk to someone else about their vote when he hasn't placed one of his own. Also it seems he's more suspicious of ironace for not voting or at least wants to get him going by voting him but he votes Shinichi in this same post?
#137 - I don't think it's useless and on days that he cannot use his ability he can still use his Captain Role in the way being suggested.
#143 - Explains to reiynii why he feels his plan is worth outing town roles. I don't agree but eh...
#167 - This one is weird because they were both town that game?

PentaFlare said:

If you look back you will see logic disagreeing with Sleipnirr's vote on iron. At that point logic seems wary of him, so I don't understand the strong opposition to voting Sleip just because I haven't given a reason myself.

RE1031 said:

This is actually what I was asking to be linked to... But fine, I'll search it for myself, when I do a massive reread.

ironace said:
grrr's idea is bad, lynch a townie just to get perks?

Coelestin said:
@ironace if I'd vote for Grrr or Shin and invite you to vote for them as well, would you follow me?

logic340 said:
And here I was thinking I tied up all the loose ends...how did you do effortlessly see through my nefarious plans?

What exactly is it I didn't touch on?

logic340 said:
this is his first game I've been trying to get him to play for a while now. I like your questions I guess, not so much the vote as I have a gut level town read on ironace right now but let's see where you go with this.

PentaFlare said:

Tying up loose ends or not, the main problem is just your approach this game of drawing out reads then reacting rather than creating.

logic340 said:
I would beg to differ considering I put on more reads than anyone else this game

PentaFlare said:

My bet's on Magical Choco Girl Chichi. She would totally beat up wen in a fight.

PentaFlare said:
This fits in with why I'm scumreading logic. His approach to the game is evil. He is still generating content as usual and pushing the game forwards, but his focus has been on getting information from others first, and then reacting to that information. Less of his content is discussions he is starting. Just like with Sleip, he doesn't want to be providing the read to be critiqued, he wants to critique and nuance the reads of others. This is of behaviour shows an attempt to control the opinion of the thread and is typical of powerwolfing.

PentaFlare said:

Maybe you have, but this isn't quantity. You always defend with quantity. That's not what matters. Approach and motivation is. Your method of providing reads is scum motivated. Especially that one time you responded to me about my vote in Sleip by saying how you would instead be doing an ISO on the person you were actually voting. These are reads generated with ulterior motive. Either you are trying to influence someone else's view, or you are making an effort to make everyone see how productive you are being.

Coelestin said:

Exaggerated bruh

logic340 said:
you never like my votes :P

Coelestin said:

What would be the fun if I liked all of them... I always like all of Penta's votes in like all games we're town together cause he's better at making them vocal than me, that's boring, I'm telling ya. You're way funnier to fite. No offense Penta, we can fite anytime as well even though I don't know how <3

logic340 said:
grrr:


thoughts:
-No vote for me thus far this game which I like but raises concerns because it's something he likes to do. So the fact it isn't happening here is making me question why things have changed?
#113 - This is the closest thing to a claim from grrr thus far. I am used to town grrr claiming something early.
#116 - I am assuming he envisions Karote being the Mayor of this game of as long as he s alive. Not sure if this comes from town or scum mindset.
#124 - I know he likes to claim early and in this instance rather than just straight up do it (which I half expected) he asks for our thoughts and says he wants to mass claim. I have brought up the possibility of a negative reduction to this but he doesn't seems to care as he hasn't responded to it.
#136 - I find it hypocritical to talk to someone else about their vote when he hasn't placed one of his own. Also it seems he's more suspicious of ironace for not voting or at least wants to get him going by voting him but he votes Shinichi in this same post?
#137 - I don't think it's useless and on days that he cannot use his ability he can still use his Captain Role in the way being suggested.
#143 - Explains to reiynii why he feels his plan is worth outing town roles. I don't agree but eh...
#167 - This one is weird because they were both town that game?

Questions @grrr:
If there is a jumper or executioner do you still think it's worth the risk to mass claim?
in #140 you told Penta that reiynii having 5 husbands is not normal. What does this tell you about his alignment if nothing why is it relevant?
in #165 you say the Miller can stay silent since they probably wouldn't be counter claimed. While I could see mafia wanting to fake claim this role it's extremely dangerous for them to do so. Wouldn't the Miller coming forward give us 2 confirmed town? Also with multiple watcher type abilities we can watch Miller to see if SK tries to kill them no?

In conclusion I am good with my vote where it is and would like people to weigh in on this. It's small and I may do a few more here shortly since we have so many who have posted so little.

logic340 said:
we do have some good battles...Why do you feel I'm exaggerating when he says he didn't see your post but responded to it?

logic340 said:
I see that your man good with a paintbrush. I'm not generating reads I'm writing through then.
You yourself say there is content driving the game so there's obviously so quality to the quantity of reads I'm putting out. All my votes have been on my own reads not piggybacking of the refs I'm getting from others? This tread feels forced but continue on.

grrr said:

You know this post is too long for me to read right? : D

Logic I have tricky question for you: if I was mafia who would I kill first?

logic340 said:
you could just read the questions section...lol.

I want to believe you'd let be live but the post count drops by half if I die ave bashes things more habitable for the mafia so it would be to your strategic advantage.

PentaFlare said:

Relating to the content of your reads, I'm not getting the same kind of impression I am with Sleip's. I can follow Sleip's reads easily and see no sign of deception, but when I read stuff you have written, I don't get that clear impression. This is true of your reads both as town and as scum. The reads you are providing this game sound like the ones you gave in both Gakkou Gurashi and Easter Egg. Therefore, I'm forced to look at others things to determine your alignment.

That's why I'm looking mostly at context. That's what I'm finding suspicious.

Coelestin said:

What would be the fun if I liked all of them... I always like all of Penta's votes in like all games we're town together cause he's better at making them vocal than me, that's boring, I'm telling ya. You're way funnier to fite. No offense Penta, we can fite anytime as well even though I don't know how <3

grrr said:
It seems most of the people are against mass claiming. Then I have new top offer. I will town read anyone who votes yes!

Lets all pick 3 role and claim them. It is like win - win. I can't see anything that might go wrong with this!

ironace said:
ok so i have caught up with the disscussion so heres my answers to some of the questions i remember
@coelestin
I will not mind sheeping but you need to give atlest some convincing evidence to get my vote.

And the reason why i say that shinichi is not neutral is because if he was then he would want to have some level of idea about sledge's role, but he doesnt, which isnt very beneficial to either the town or the 3rd party. Im siding with the fact that he's a mafia for now but i will not vote him for now.

Ive actually forgotten why i was suspicious of grrr, he hasent talked after the begining of D1 and so i havent managed to get a better grasp of his character.
As i said before my reasons were partly based on a gut feeling and that was the case with pentaflare.

And for the moment of truth, the one you all have been waiting for, the person im voting for will be millitus.
THIS IS NOT BECAUSE HE COPIED ME OK??!!
well he appears to act too sinister and omnious, but his level is one which i believe will be avoided by the mafia. I dont think he is a townie either-if he is, hes trying to act as a shady man.I think he is neutral.I am voting for him because i see the roles of the 3rd party to be the most annoying ones to deal with.
If you guys have some thoughts to share on why i could be wrong im willing to listen. But for now,
vote:Millitus


BTW, im soo popular right now ...hehehe. This is bad.

logic340 said:
I kind if feel like since people expect these things from grrr that sometimes they get brushed off. That being said I've moved my vote as I'm not currently sold on scum grrr. I thunk this is my 7th have with him 1 as scum. He won that scum game because we gave him a pass for being grrr. Looking into him is never a bad idea and I really wish more would at least try.

I feel like I can see what you're saying about his approach to the whole mass claim idea given it's open setup and we're both not used to how he'd deal when this.

Shinichi-Kun said:
i hate u all time to catch up to 7 pages.