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Dec 9, 2016 2:08 PM
#51
Aquamirror said: @Pullman Everyone should become gay amirite XD Fuck heterosexuals, you should all go kill yourself. Not enjoying men kissing each other in romantic story?? Pfff homophobic literally human trashes amirite XDXDXDXDXDXD Holy shit do you even know how pathetic you are? You can only communicate via oneliners and copypastas, having even one coherent thought of your own probably overloads your intellectual capacities. Then again, we will never find out. You are literally incapable of understanding anything I'm trying to say so why are you even bothering to reply? You are the perfect example of what I was talking about in my post. No matter what anyone says you will not even try to listen and understand. You will only hear what you want to hear, only see what you want to see. You already know exactly how you want to see the world and anything that gets in the way of that, like reason or reading comprehension are happily thrown away if it doesn't fall in line with that. I will not indulge you with any further replies and I'm only writing this one to encourage other people to not indulge you either. Sincerely replying to you will just give you the illusion of having said anything remotely relevant, which you have not and probably never will. Have a good day, you sad creature. I wish the ignore function would also prevent notifications. |
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Dec 9, 2016 2:09 PM
#52
Nigami_Shin said: why is someone who dislikes homosexuality always insecure? seems to be gay-KO-argument EcchiLordMamster said: i for one don't care :Dnow you know how us ecchi/loli/moe fans feel when people never stfu about how they don't like young girls being sexualized or the their idealized body parts being shoved in our faces as well as their (obviously, cause its fiction) unrealistic personalities.... that good, now if all the constant whiners didn't care either lol... OP: us straight just men tend to be less tolerant of guy on guy than straight girls are of girl on girl however it doesn't mean straight men hate gay men or even have a problem with them, it just means they engage in something we'd rather not see. doesn't mean straight men can't be openly gay or there shouldn't be openly gay anime about men/boys w/e as someone who doesn't... i don't condone whining about it, but like i said before, i can't see it as anything more than revenge. because of what we fans of sexualized girls have to constantly hear/read are people claiming that fujoshi are potential threats to society like many people like to act like us ecchi/loli/moe fans are? is being called a "faggot" worse than people thinking you're creepy or want to rape children or w/e? |
Dec 9, 2016 2:11 PM
#53
sasalx said: The thing is that I don't see Trance saying what you are saying he is saying.@zal Well that was a bait topic so we don't have to talk about it. What I am saying is the OP has some issues. He thinks that if you don't watch YoI because of yaoi "then you have some insecurities about your sexuality" is a bs if you ask me. He said that labelling it as queerbait makes you sexually insecure. Which is clearly not true but just returning accusations. However the difference is in the fact that labelling it as queerbait might be used in a derogatory way like it's bad because it's for gay. But why would it be bad if it is actually for gays? The problem is in still associating gay with bad. I am not watching it because I think there are very slim chances for me to like it but even before this gay vibes were predominant but simply because of the premise. Trance says it is a serious take on homosexual relationship but I kinda doubt it giving my experience with romance in anime and how "serious" they are. |
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Dec 9, 2016 2:12 PM
#54
Damn it was only a matter of time before Pullman decided to roast someone, but that was spectacular. I have to agree that expressing your opinions using memes might work on /pol/, but makes you sound retarded anywhere else. |
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Dec 9, 2016 2:12 PM
#55
Haha "Excluding me". No confident person would feel the need to add that. You put it there in case someone maybe thought you were talking about yourself. Gtfo |
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Dec 9, 2016 2:13 PM
#56
HOLY SHIT that is hell of a flame war, be careful not to burn yourselves guys. |
Dec 9, 2016 2:14 PM
#57
xDru said: Pullman said: Guess it is yet again time for me to contribute my usual rant about this topic. Well, yeah, homophobia is still a thing and parts of the anime fandom are particularly bad in this regard. And vocal. And obsessed about making it seem like the natural stance of any heterosexual male to to treat anything gay with a mixture of disgust and aggression. They aren't satisfied just having their opinions and preferences and being assholes about it, they always insist it's the normal thing to do, which is probably what aggrevates me most about those people. They refuse to accept that anyone who isn't gay can watch anything remotely related to the topic of homosexuality (unless it's lesbian fanservice). They need to believe that only rotten fujoshi enjoy something like that because otherwise they might be the weird ones for their irrational degree of aversion to anything that has two males in it who talk to each other. In the case of Yuri on Ice they refuse to accept that it only reached the popularity it has because the fanbase is diverse and aside from fujoshi and regular girls also includes a lot of males who sincerely like the show, for its concept, its direction, its romance, its visuals, etc... At the end of the day they are just a vocal minority who are, for some reason, so bitter and frustrated and scared of the topic of homosexuality that they need to take every opportunity to vehemently point out that a) they are not into anything with two males in it and b) noone else should be enjoying anything like that either unless they are a fujoshi fapping to Yaoi Hands. It's literally the same handful of posters every fucking time a thread with a related topic pops up, it's both sad and funny. Some of them have been at it for years, like they are on a mission to make everyone on MAL know how obsessively they distance themselves from anything ranging from Haikyuu to gayporn. I should know, I've put most of MALs vocal homophobes on ignore over the years and everytime there is a thread about homosexuality I see the same wall of minimized posting the ignore function is protecting me from. I have to add tho that being a homophobic asshole doesn't have to mean someone is insecure about their sexuality. Sometimes they're just assholes, period. No further psychological analysis required. I'm sure they're assholes about other things they don't like, don't understand or don't approve of as well. The silent majority fortunately doesn't share their obsession and the - even to me - unexpected popularity of Yuri on Ice just proves that. No matter what those people think, you don't reach that level of popularity without having a solid fanbase with both sexes. I personally know more male fans who love the show than females among my MAL friends. Most people have moved on past the homophobic phrases and the need to reassure themselves and the of their heterosexuality. All that's left is a few, sad figures still standing at the same place they stood 5 years ago shouting the same bullshit phrases they've been shouting all their life, and probably will be shouting for the remainder of it. Like I don't watch fujoshit and I will never Stop labeling the relation in those gay anime as "friendship" when it's only them and the hardcore fujoshi seeing anything gay in some of these anime. Or Yeah, shocking truth, male fanbase don't like watching other males fuck each other! when sex isn't even a thing in any of those shows. But I am optimistic that in a few generations those kind of people will have almost died out. Their numbers are already dwindling and they're trying to make up for it by being twice as loud and four times as obnoxious about their preferences as anyone else, but don't let them fool you. They know exactly that they are becoming an endangered species, hence why they are so anxious these days. The best you can do is not to give them a platform for their agenda. Don't engage them, just smile upon them with pity for their life is being dominated by petty fears of men kissing each other and whatnot. They are helpless to defend themselves against the world conspiring to commit the 'crime' (in their eyes) of accepting homosexuality as something normal not to be frowned upon, something that has a place in mainstream media and any other place where romance or sexuality play a role, and they lash out as a defense mechanism. I've tried reasoning with them in the past but that is just a depressing and futile act. Now I just recommend ignoring them and focusing on the many people who have more reasonable views on the topic. On a sidenote the episode discussion forums always bring out the worst in people - and the worst people - so you will always find plenty of offensive, provocative, trolling, baiting and shittalking posts there. If you do not enjoy partaking in such activities or engaging individuals who do, I strongly recommend never going to these subforums ever again for the sake of your sanity. Especially for ongoing shows. I've been active on MAL for almost 7 years, and I love this place, but I can only do that because I've avoided the series subforums from day 1. If I hadn't I'd probably have quit MAL and possibly the internet as a whole long ago. It really isn't a place for anyone with a brain and/or a sincere intent to talk about things in a nice and orderly fashion, without insults and baiting. So basically you can only blame yourself for getting aggrevated about anything that happens in there. It is a cesspit. It is to be expected. But don't judge MAL or people in general based on places where they're at their worst. Like youtube comments or the series discussion subforums. I'm sorry that I don't support your fetish (sorry if I misunderstand) and for being an asshole (I surely don't like myself), but you can make an aggrement with all the people who have a fetish (everyone) and make the humanity, nah just everyone on MAL is enough to be happy. english, please? I have no idea what the fuck you are trying to say or why you are talking about fetishes. I have all kinds of fetishes that I fap to, but romance isn't one of them. That I watch for enjoyment without involving my penis. |
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Dec 9, 2016 2:15 PM
#58
Pullman said: Aquamirror said: @Pullman Everyone should become gay amirite XD Fuck heterosexuals, you should all go kill yourself. Not enjoying men kissing each other in romantic story?? Pfff homophobic literally human trashes amirite XDXDXDXDXDXD Holy shit do you even know how pathetic you are? You can only communicate via oneliners and copypastas, having even one coherent thought of your own probably overloads your intellectual capacities. Then again, we will never find out. You are literally incapable of understanding anything I'm trying to say so why are you even bothering to reply? You are the perfect example of what I was talking about in my post. No matter what anyone says you will not even try to listen and understand. You will only hear what you want to hear, only see what you want to see. You already know exactly how you want to see the world and anything that gets in the way of that, like reason or reading comprehension are happily thrown away if it doesn't fall in line with that. I will not indulge you with any further replies and I'm only writing this one to encourage other people to not indulge you either. Sincerely replying to you will just give you the illusion of having said anything remotely relevant, which you have not and probably never will. Have a good day, you sad creature. I wish the ignore function would also prevent notifications. Isn't he pushing it though? He dedicated a whole paragraph of fuck-words to OP. |
Dec 9, 2016 2:17 PM
#59
xDru said: CapitalistGod said: Trance said: CapitalistGod said: You do have a valid point but in the end of the day it's just another viewpoint. I will still view romance fiction to fulfill fantasies... Well, I might just be able to see that viewpoint if I myself experienced a romance. I haven't yet, so....yep. That's exactly what I was thinking. Don't worry, you'll understand it all once you actually get some romance irl. Well, you can add a reason why people don't want to watch shows that shows homosexual romance.... aside from sexual insecurity... xD Clebardman said: @sasalx Your sarcasm surely made your point more obscure. How can you self-insert in a girl x girl romance when characters are lesbians and wouldn't be attracted to you? Anything is possible. At least for me, a man who hasn't been in a romantic relationship for 25 years and counting... xD Cause they don't have that fetish? Do you watch zoophilia, if you don't have that exact fetish? Why are you quoting me and what are you on about? |
Dec 9, 2016 2:18 PM
#60
@Gawdess From what I understood of the present topic, the issue come from the fact that a vocal part of the community panic when seeing a slight trace of male homosexuality in non-yaoi-labeled anime. It's not about the actual content of the anime medium or its amount of homo fan-service. And you can definitely find serious takes on LGBT topics in manga, as long as you search for it. It's a rarity in anime though. And I'm pretty sure it's more common in manga than in Korean webtoon, considering that the Korean culture is far more homophobic than the Japanese one. |
Dec 9, 2016 2:18 PM
#61
JCAPER said: Pullman said: Aquamirror said: @Pullman Everyone should become gay amirite XD Fuck heterosexuals, you should all go kill yourself. Not enjoying men kissing each other in romantic story?? Pfff homophobic literally human trashes amirite XDXDXDXDXDXD Holy shit do you even know how pathetic you are? You can only communicate via oneliners and copypastas, having even one coherent thought of your own probably overloads your intellectual capacities. Then again, we will never find out. You are literally incapable of understanding anything I'm trying to say so why are you even bothering to reply? You are the perfect example of what I was talking about in my post. No matter what anyone says you will not even try to listen and understand. You will only hear what you want to hear, only see what you want to see. You already know exactly how you want to see the world and anything that gets in the way of that, like reason or reading comprehension are happily thrown away if it doesn't fall in line with that. I will not indulge you with any further replies and I'm only writing this one to encourage other people to not indulge you either. Sincerely replying to you will just give you the illusion of having said anything remotely relevant, which you have not and probably never will. Have a good day, you sad creature. I wish the ignore function would also prevent notifications. Isn't he pushing it though? He dedicated a whole paragraph of fuck-words to OP. that is a copypasta. google it. posting that probably took even less effort than his usual one-liners. |
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Dec 9, 2016 2:20 PM
#62
You can watch your gay anime but don't try to force me to like it. Men are naturally disgusted of watching other men acting romantically between each other, so it's completely normal to avoid anime which is focused entirely on that. I don't need to write 100 paragraphs to present my point. |
Dec 9, 2016 2:21 PM
#63
Lord_Sithis said: So basically you're angry because homosexuality in anime is used for erotic purposes and people don't care about a homosexual love story, right? Well, I don't know if you're aware of this, but there's a genre called "ecchi". It's basically the same thing, but most of the time with heterosexual pairings. This has been happening for a fuckton of years, and with every sexuality, Yuri on Ice or yaoi or whatever isn't special. Hold the salt. Give me one example of an ecchi which treated of 'homo love' rather than homoeroticism. Nigami_Shin said: why is someone who dislikes homosexuality always insecure? seems to be gay-KO-argument EcchiLordMamster said: i for one don't care :Dnow you know how us ecchi/loli/moe fans feel when people never stfu about how they don't like young girls being sexualized or the their idealized body parts being shoved in our faces as well as their (obviously, cause its fiction) unrealistic personalities.... We are starting with the premise that homosexuality is 'accepted'. If someone dislikes it, he's excluded from the premise by default. @Pullman I have to add tho that being a homophobic asshole doesn't have to mean someone is insecure about their sexuality. Sometimes they're just assholes, period. No further psychological analysis required. I'm sure they're assholes about other things they don't like, don't understand or don't approve of as well. I'm not considering homophobic people. I'm concerned with people who aren't homophobic, accept homosexuality as normal, yet still don't want to watch homo-romance for no other reason than it is homo. JCAPER said: Nice dodge. Point was and is, you assumed quite a lot about myself when all I pointed out was your pretentiousness. Even if you did not mean it as you seem to suggest in the second paragraph, the fact of the matter stands, and you're not helping your case with each reply. This is not about "dethroning". If you want to act all high and mighty then go ahead, won't stop me from pointing it out and you can disagree all you like. I'm not forcing anyone to like anything. I'm only observing people saying something, and then I'm seeing them do the exact opposite. I'm pointing out the doublethink here. I couldn't care less if you don't like YoI or some other anime that I like. What I want to know is your reason for not liking. And if your reason for not liking YoI is that it's gay -- even though you accept homosexuality -- then you need some spanking. You're pretty much saying "you don't like this, then you are this". It's not literal forcing obviously, but it's the kind of argument that became way too common this year. Like what you are doing now, "if you don't like this because it's gay, then you deserve that". What if "this" is a romance focused anime between two homosexuals, do I not reserve the right to not want to watch it as a straight person? Should I "spank" gays that do not want to watch straight romances then? Like I said in the previous reply, if the series is about something and has romance on the side and it happens to be gay, then sure, I'm open to watch it as long the story is interesting. But if it's about gay romance, then I don't want to simply because I am not gay and it's not my interest, not because I do not approve or am insecure about something. It was your 'pointing out' which was stupid. Guess we can say in that instant alone you showed one of the worst that mankind can be, can we say that? yes we can. You have the right to not watch it. But I want a legit reason. 'I'm not interested' is a legit reason. 'It has a homo couple' is not a legit reason especially if you accept homosexuality already. Think of a Titanic movie with a homosexual couple. Would you refuse watching it solely because it featured homosexuality? |
Dec 9, 2016 2:21 PM
#64
Pullman said: Yeah I know ok suspected it, but still, I think it's pretty clear he's just here to troll or trigger people.JCAPER said: Pullman said: Aquamirror said: @Pullman Everyone should become gay amirite XD Fuck heterosexuals, you should all go kill yourself. Not enjoying men kissing each other in romantic story?? Pfff homophobic literally human trashes amirite XDXDXDXDXDXD Holy shit do you even know how pathetic you are? You can only communicate via oneliners and copypastas, having even one coherent thought of your own probably overloads your intellectual capacities. Then again, we will never find out. You are literally incapable of understanding anything I'm trying to say so why are you even bothering to reply? You are the perfect example of what I was talking about in my post. No matter what anyone says you will not even try to listen and understand. You will only hear what you want to hear, only see what you want to see. You already know exactly how you want to see the world and anything that gets in the way of that, like reason or reading comprehension are happily thrown away if it doesn't fall in line with that. I will not indulge you with any further replies and I'm only writing this one to encourage other people to not indulge you either. Sincerely replying to you will just give you the illusion of having said anything remotely relevant, which you have not and probably never will. Have a good day, you sad creature. I wish the ignore function would also prevent notifications. Isn't he pushing it though? He dedicated a whole paragraph of fuck-words to OP. that is a copypasta. google it. posting that probably took even less effort than his usual one-liners. |
Dec 9, 2016 2:23 PM
#65
Aquamirror said: You can watch your gay anime but don't try to force me to like it. Men are naturally disgusted of watching other men acting romantically between each other, so it's completely normal to avoid anime which is focused entirely on that. Only one of us is a man then. Because I'm definitely not disgusted but not aroused either. However, the thought of kissing a man is somewhat repulsive to me. Yet I can watch two other males kissing any time and not feel anything. If we go by general attributes and intelligence, and conclude that a man is someone of better qualities, I'd say you're a fucking pussy and I'm the man here. |
Dec 9, 2016 2:23 PM
#66
Trance said: I'm not salty. And that's the point, there is no love, it's all erotic. It doesn't happen only with homosexuals in anime, but with heterosexuals too. So don't complain about Yuri on Ice, or yaoi, complain about anime in general.Lord_Sithis said: So basically you're angry because homosexuality in anime is used for erotic purposes and people don't care about a homosexual love story, right? Well, I don't know if you're aware of this, but there's a genre called "ecchi". It's basically the same thing, but most of the time with heterosexual pairings. This has been happening for a fuckton of years, and with every sexuality, Yuri on Ice or yaoi or whatever isn't special. Hold the salt. Give me one example of an ecchi which treated of 'homo love' rather than homoeroticism. |
Dec 9, 2016 2:25 PM
#67
Aquamirror said: You can watch your gay anime but don't try to force me to like it. Men are naturally disgusted of watching other men acting romantically between each other, so it's completely normal to avoid anime which is focused entirely on that. I don't need to write 100 paragraphs to present my point. I think you might be sick mate, because being a straight male myself, watching two men kissing doesn't make me feel much, no thrill, no disgust. I'd really like to understand your point of view, I'd be grateful if you could explain to me why exactly straight males should be disguted of watching other men kissing each others. |
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Dec 9, 2016 2:26 PM
#68
Lord_Sithis said: Trance said: I'm not salty. And that's the point, there is no love, it's all erotic. It doesn't happen only with homosexuals in anime, but with heterosexuals too. So don't complain about Yuri on Ice, or yaoi, complain about anime in general.Lord_Sithis said: So basically you're angry because homosexuality in anime is used for erotic purposes and people don't care about a homosexual love story, right? Well, I don't know if you're aware of this, but there's a genre called "ecchi". It's basically the same thing, but most of the time with heterosexual pairings. This has been happening for a fuckton of years, and with every sexuality, Yuri on Ice or yaoi or whatever isn't special. Hold the salt. Give me one example of an ecchi which treated of 'homo love' rather than homoeroticism. Ummm, it isn't the case with hetero couples, man. The romance genre is full of hetero romance. Homo romance is rare, and very obscure. The problem might not just be anime itself as a medium. In fact, the media itself is never really the problem because it is a lifeless machination which caters only to the couch potato sitting in front of the screen. It's the couch potato that is the problem if the media seems problematic. |
Dec 9, 2016 2:26 PM
#69
Trance said: JCAPER said: Nice dodge. Point was and is, you assumed quite a lot about myself when all I pointed out was your pretentiousness. Even if you did not mean it as you seem to suggest in the second paragraph, the fact of the matter stands, and you're not helping your case with each reply. This is not about "dethroning". If you want to act all high and mighty then go ahead, won't stop me from pointing it out and you can disagree all you like. I'm not forcing anyone to like anything. I'm only observing people saying something, and then I'm seeing them do the exact opposite. I'm pointing out the doublethink here. I couldn't care less if you don't like YoI or some other anime that I like. What I want to know is your reason for not liking. And if your reason for not liking YoI is that it's gay -- even though you accept homosexuality -- then you need some spanking. You're pretty much saying "you don't like this, then you are this". It's not literal forcing obviously, but it's the kind of argument that became way too common this year. Like what you are doing now, "if you don't like this because it's gay, then you deserve that". What if "this" is a romance focused anime between two homosexuals, do I not reserve the right to not want to watch it as a straight person? Should I "spank" gays that do not want to watch straight romances then? Like I said in the previous reply, if the series is about something and has romance on the side and it happens to be gay, then sure, I'm open to watch it as long the story is interesting. But if it's about gay romance, then I don't want to simply because I am not gay and it's not my interest, not because I do not approve or am insecure about something. It was your 'pointing out' which was stupid. Guess we can say in that instant alone you showed one of the worst that mankind can be, can we say that? yes we can. You have the right to not watch it. But I want a legit reason. 'I'm not interested' is a legit reason. 'It has a homo couple' is not a legit reason especially if you accept homosexuality already. Think of a Titanic movie with a homosexual couple. Would you refuse watching it solely because it featured homosexuality? Oh my, didn't know I was in the same league as Hitler and Stalin. Please hold my beer while I go hang myself and repent for my sins. In an industry where subjectiveness is one of the major factors present, you say that "I'm not interested" is not a legit reason? You serious? As for the Titanic, considering the story is inspired on real events, yes I would watch it. Not because of the romance, but because stories based on real events interest me and I like to watch them. |
Dec 9, 2016 2:28 PM
#70
Trance said: Yes, and the ecchi genre is full of hetero eroticism. Now don't start being a SJW here and flaming me, but like it or not, heterosexual romance is more common than homosexual romance, so of course there's more heterosexual romance anime, especially in a country like Japan.Lord_Sithis said: Trance said: Lord_Sithis said: So basically you're angry because homosexuality in anime is used for erotic purposes and people don't care about a homosexual love story, right? Well, I don't know if you're aware of this, but there's a genre called "ecchi". It's basically the same thing, but most of the time with heterosexual pairings. This has been happening for a fuckton of years, and with every sexuality, Yuri on Ice or yaoi or whatever isn't special. Hold the salt. Give me one example of an ecchi which treated of 'homo love' rather than homoeroticism. Ummm, it isn't the case with hetero couples, man. The romance genre is full of hetero romance. Homo romance is rare, and very obscure. The problem might not just be anime itself as a medium. In fact, the media itself is never really the problem because it is a lifeless machination which caters only to the couch potato sitting in front of the screen. It's the couch potato that is the problem if the media seems problematic. |
Dec 9, 2016 2:28 PM
#71
Trance said: Hold the salt. Give me one example of an ecchi which treated of 'homo love' rather than homoeroticism. Considering anime alone. I'd say Yuri Kuma Arashi. Very erotic, yet the main topic of that anime is homophobia. |
Dec 9, 2016 2:28 PM
#72
Aquamirror said: However 100 paragraphs seem not to be enough for you to understand that no one is saying anything about those that simply avoided it (thing that I did myself), and no one is trying to force it on you. You can watch your gay anime but don't try to force me to like it. Men are naturally disgusted of watching other men acting romantically between each other, so it's completely normal to avoid anime which is focused entirely on that. I don't need to write 100 paragraphs to present my point. There are plenty of yaoi and I don't think other had this kind of backlash because YoI is the first one so popular for different reasons including lack of very hyped shows this season and not being categorized as Yaoi genre. Complaining about it simply because it has a homosexual relationship is the problem and what Trance tries to bring up. |
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Dec 9, 2016 2:29 PM
#73
@JCAPER Please, for all that is good in this world, READ dem posts before answering... For your own good... |
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Dec 9, 2016 2:29 PM
#74
Trance said: Aquamirror said: You can watch your gay anime but don't try to force me to like it. Men are naturally disgusted of watching other men acting romantically between each other, so it's completely normal to avoid anime which is focused entirely on that. Only one of us is a man then. Because I'm definitely not disgusted but yot aroused either. However, the thought of kissing a man is somewhat repulsive to me. Yet I can watch two other males kissing any time and not feel anything. If we go by general attributes and intelligence, and conclude that a man is someone of better qualities, I'd say you're a fucking pussy and I'm the man here. Good for you? Not everyone perceives the world in the same way. Again, you are insulting everyone who disagrees with you. Apparently enjoying men kissing each other is a definite quality of manliness. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
Dec 9, 2016 2:30 PM
#75
JCAPER said: Oh my, didn't know I was in the same league as Hitler and Stalin. Please hold my beer while I go hang myself and repent for my sins. In an industry where subjectiveness is one of the major factors present, you say that "I'm not interested" is not a legit reason? You serious? As for the Titanic, considering the story is inspired on real events, yes I would watch it. Not because of the romance, but because stories based on real events interest me and I like to watch them. It isn't so much a matter of where we are in life as it is of where we are headed (Goethe). If you'd continued on that path, you might really have become Hitler and Stalin. oh my God... OOOOOOh my ...God.... Wait, God is dead... so holy shit dude your comprehension problems... I LITERALLY SAID THAT 'I'M NOT INTERESTED' IS A LEGIT REASON!!! Let's replace all the hetero couples in movies that portray real events with homo couples. What now? Aquamirror said: Trance said: Aquamirror said: You can watch your gay anime but don't try to force me to like it. Men are naturally disgusted of watching other men acting romantically between each other, so it's completely normal to avoid anime which is focused entirely on that. Only one of us is a man then. Because I'm definitely not disgusted but yot aroused either. However, the thought of kissing a man is somewhat repulsive to me. Yet I can watch two other males kissing any time and not feel anything. If we go by general attributes and intelligence, and conclude that a man is someone of better qualities, I'd say you're a fucking pussy and I'm the man here. Good for you? Not everyone perceives the world in the same way. Again, you are insulting everyone who disagrees with you. Apparently enjoying men kissing each other is a definite quality of manliness. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Apparently, getting trippy over two men kissing is masculine af. I'm not insulting anyone. They're insulting themselves by not being able to defend themselves. @Lord_Sithis Oh I'm not flaming you. Your point is legit that hetero-romance is more common so it has to be more common here as well. But the contrast between the availability of homo-erotic and homo-romantic nonetheless makes my point valid. @lady_freyja Thanks for sharing the animu. |
Dec 9, 2016 2:31 PM
#76
Dec 9, 2016 2:34 PM
#77
sasalx said: Referring to people that say they "are fine with homosexual romance" yet don't watch YoI because it has "homosexual romance". I read it like this and it seems to me to point out that these kind of people are rather hypocrite.@zal " Homosexual romance is just one aspect of it, and something that you admittedly are totally fine with as well. Yet still if you want to stay away from it for no other reason than this, then you have some insecurities about your sexuality" If you say so... Yeah the whole argument about insecurities is just assumptions or flame but the literal meaning is besides the point. |
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Dec 9, 2016 2:38 PM
#78
Trance said: JCAPER said: Oh my, didn't know I was in the same league as Hitler and Stalin. Please hold my beer while I go hang myself and repent for my sins. In an industry where subjectiveness is one of the major factors present, you say that "I'm not interested" is not a legit reason? You serious? As for the Titanic, considering the story is inspired on real events, yes I would watch it. Not because of the romance, but because stories based on real events interest me and I like to watch them. It isn't so much a matter of where we are in life as it is of where we are headed (Goethe). If you'd continued on that path, you might really have become Hitler and Stalin. oh my God... OOOOOOh my ...God.... Wait, God is dead... so holy shit dude your comprehension problems... I LITERALLY SAID THAT 'I'M NOT INTERESTED' IS A LEGIT REASON!!! Let's replace all the hetero couples in movies that portray real events with homo couples. What now? Sorry about that, I'm multitasking atm and I misread what you said. Consider what I said there void. What now what? You want me to think of all movies inspired in real events and tell you one by one if I would watch it if they switched the couples? What exactly do you expect to come out of this? Ok, let me put it this way then: if the movie is about a gay couple romancing and that's it, even if the movie is based on real events, then the probability of me watching it is low. But if the movie is about a gay couple escaping the Nazis or something, then the probability of me watching it is high. That good enough for you? And yeah, expect to hear from me when I get the power and eliminate all the jews in my country. /s |
Dec 9, 2016 2:38 PM
#79
lady_freyja said: @Gawdess From what I understood of the present topic, the issue come from the fact that a vocal part of the community panic when seeing a slight trace of male homosexuality in non-yaoi-labeled anime. It's not about the actual content of the anime medium or its amount of homo fan-service. And you can definitely find serious takes on LGBT topics in manga, as long as you search for it. It's a rarity in anime though. And I'm pretty sure it's more common in manga than in Korean webtoon, considering that the Korean culture is far more homophobic than the Japanese one. I'm sure it also counts for how most yaoi anime really just are there to feed the fujoshis/fudanshis and that you won't find a normal romance anime with two men. I should have specified. I meant fan webtoons, you can find a whole site dedicated to webtoons written by teens, and I can guarantee you that they do include topics like LGBT (and take it seriously). |
Dec 9, 2016 2:42 PM
#80
zal said: sasalx said: Referring to people that say they "are fine with homosexual romance" yet don't watch YoI because it has "homosexual romance". I read it like this and it seems to me to point out that these kind of people are rather hypocrite.@zal " Homosexual romance is just one aspect of it, and something that you admittedly are totally fine with as well. Yet still if you want to stay away from it for no other reason than this, then you have some insecurities about your sexuality" If you say so... Yeah the whole argument about insecurities is just assumptions or flame but the literal meaning is besides the point. No that perfectly fine.You don't have a problem with homosexual people but you don't like to watch them. |
Dec 9, 2016 2:42 PM
#81
@JCAPER inspired by real events, top notch casting, writing and the comedy is hilarious. Enjoy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Love_You_Phillip_Morris sasalx said: No that perfectly fine.You don't have a problem with homosexual people but you don't like to watch them. This reminds me so much of a Desproges quote. He once said "it's easier to hide your jews than to hide your antisemitism". RIP Pierre, you were the best. |
Prophetess of the Golden Era |
Dec 9, 2016 2:45 PM
#82
Why are you excluding lesbianism? That is sexist OP!! OT: I don't see how labelling Yuri on Ice as "queerbait" makes you a insecure person.. unless you yourself OP view the term as a insult. YoI can be, like you said, a great love story between two homosexual males yes, but not everyone is obligated to find the show appealing. |
Dec 9, 2016 2:45 PM
#83
Clebardman said: @JCAPER inspired by real events, top notch casting, writing and the comedy is hilarious. Enjoy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Love_You_Phillip_Morris Already in my external HDD to watch during the next holidays, but thanks anyway |
Dec 9, 2016 2:45 PM
#84
Clebardman said: Aquamirror said: You can watch your gay anime but don't try to force me to like it. Men are naturally disgusted of watching other men acting romantically between each other, so it's completely normal to avoid anime which is focused entirely on that. I don't need to write 100 paragraphs to present my point. I think you might be sick mate, because being a straight male myself, watching two men kissing doesn't make me feel much, no thrill, no disgust. I'd really like to understand your point of view, I'd be grateful if you could explain to me why exactly straight males should be disguted of watching other men kissing each others. weren't you the one that likes traps? if yes, there is your answer. |
Dec 9, 2016 2:47 PM
#85
Realized just a little bit too late, but oh well: I am the bait of my post. Reddit is my body and 4chan is my blood. I have created over a thousand shitposts. Unknown to salt. Nor known to bans. Have withstood mods to trigger many people. Yet those fags will never stop raging. So, as I write UNLIMITED BAIT WORKS! |
Dec 9, 2016 2:47 PM
#86
@Nigami_Shin Damn I was kinda hoping nobody would mention it :x I'm mostly attracted to feminine figures. The actual gender isn't that much relevant if the guy is hotter than most women I guess ;3. |
Prophetess of the Golden Era |
Dec 9, 2016 2:51 PM
#87
Clebardman said: Aquamirror said: You can watch your gay anime but don't try to force me to like it. Men are naturally disgusted of watching other men acting romantically between each other, so it's completely normal to avoid anime which is focused entirely on that. I don't need to write 100 paragraphs to present my point. I think you might be sick mate, because being a straight male myself, watching two men kissing doesn't make me feel much, no thrill, no disgust. I'd really like to understand your point of view, I'd be grateful if you could explain to me why exactly straight males should be disguted of watching other men kissing each others. Just as sick as homosexuals, right? I can't really explain a natural instinct. And not everyone who dislikes male romance auto likes female romance, some people really can't stand homosexual romantic relationships. |
Dec 9, 2016 2:57 PM
#88
JCAPER said: Pullman said: Yeah I know ok suspected it, but still, I think it's pretty clear he's just here to troll or trigger people.JCAPER said: Pullman said: Aquamirror said: @Pullman Everyone should become gay amirite XD Fuck heterosexuals, you should all go kill yourself. Not enjoying men kissing each other in romantic story?? Pfff homophobic literally human trashes amirite XDXDXDXDXDXD Holy shit do you even know how pathetic you are? You can only communicate via oneliners and copypastas, having even one coherent thought of your own probably overloads your intellectual capacities. Then again, we will never find out. You are literally incapable of understanding anything I'm trying to say so why are you even bothering to reply? You are the perfect example of what I was talking about in my post. No matter what anyone says you will not even try to listen and understand. You will only hear what you want to hear, only see what you want to see. You already know exactly how you want to see the world and anything that gets in the way of that, like reason or reading comprehension are happily thrown away if it doesn't fall in line with that. I will not indulge you with any further replies and I'm only writing this one to encourage other people to not indulge you either. Sincerely replying to you will just give you the illusion of having said anything remotely relevant, which you have not and probably never will. Have a good day, you sad creature. I wish the ignore function would also prevent notifications. Isn't he pushing it though? He dedicated a whole paragraph of fuck-words to OP. that is a copypasta. google it. posting that probably took even less effort than his usual one-liners. Well, he was already on my ignore list before this thread which means he's either a notorious shitposter and spammer, or an obnoxious homophobe, or both. In any case I feel nothing I said is untrue based on all his contributions to the forums so his real nature doesn't really matter in that context. You are what you write in the context of a forum. And I wouldn't even have seen his post if I didn't get a notification because he mentioned me. But he did and it made for a good opportunity to vent some of my frustrations with this topic while also practising the art of eloquently insulting someone so I consider it an even trade. Trance said: @Pullman I have to add tho that being a homophobic asshole doesn't have to mean someone is insecure about their sexuality. Sometimes they're just assholes, period. No further psychological analysis required. I'm sure they're assholes about other things they don't like, don't understand or don't approve of as well. I'm not considering homophobic people. I'm concerned with people who aren't homophobic, accept homosexuality as normal, yet still don't want to watch homo-romance for no other reason than it is homo. Well, almost all homophobes will actually say that they 'don't have a problem' with homosexuality but you can tell from how they act that that is not the case. Words often lie, actions seldom do. It's like the good old 'I'm totally fine with gay men as long as they don't kiss when I can see them and basically hide their nature and affection all the time in public so us normal people don't have to see it and be disgusted by it. But really, no problem with homosexuality at all, promise!' That being said, I don't think everyone has to be interested in gay romance, even good ones. Some people don't like romance in general, others watch it for a variety of reasons like the cute girl(s) or whatnot. Not everyone necessarily cares about the pure romance/love aspect of the genre on its own. Some people might have a hard time getting into romance in general and when it's a kind of romance they can't relate to that much it just doesn't cut it. Some may not be interested in the iceskating premise and only watch romances when the setting appeals to them. Not watching or being interested in Yuri in Ice doesn't make anyone sexually insecure or homophobic (the tone and form in which they voice that preference on the other hand can often indicate some deeper-seated issues with the topic of homosexuality and that's the basis for my statements, not the preference in itself). But when everything about the show interests someone a lot and they are unable to give it a try just because it is apparently gay in one way or the other I don't see how that doesn't infer some level of homophobia or similar issues. Like all the people who loved Shinsekai Yori for 8 episodes and were intrigued by the characters, the world, the mystery and all that stuff but then immediately dropped the show after 3 seconds of gay kissing and treated it like the most obscene gay porn from that point onward. People like that can say 'I don't have a problem with homosexuality' as often as they want, I find that very, very hard to believe based on their irrational (re)actions. |
I probably regret this post by now. |
Dec 9, 2016 2:59 PM
#89
@Aquamirror I can't talk for homosexuals here, not being one myself. If you want to know if they feel sick, you should ask one. I'm just telling you, as someone who likes girly girls (and totally not girly boys, noooo), watching two bearded dudes kissing each other like any other couple does literally nothing to me. There's no reason to be mad at them, their existence simply means more grills for me, where's the problem? lol. |
Prophetess of the Golden Era |
Dec 9, 2016 3:04 PM
#90
Some people defining homophobia in here are hilarious.''But it's totally fine for a straight dude to dislike watching 2 guys kissing each other!'' yeah that's homophobia for u. |
Dec 9, 2016 3:04 PM
#91
Umm I cringed when I saw how unrealistically gay YoI was and I'm not even straight. I don't really care if it's in real life because it's probably never gonna be like it is in YoI or any yaoi anime/manga. |
Dec 9, 2016 3:06 PM
#92
Intense_ said: No. I dislike watching 2 guys kissing each other, but if my son said to me: "I'm gay", I wouldn't care.Some people defining homophobia in here are hilarious.''But it's totally fine for a straight dude to dislike watching 2 guys kissing each other!'' yeah that's homophobia for u. |
Dec 9, 2016 3:06 PM
#93
sasalx said: zal said: sasalx said: @zal " Homosexual romance is just one aspect of it, and something that you admittedly are totally fine with as well. Yet still if you want to stay away from it for no other reason than this, then you have some insecurities about your sexuality" If you say so... Yeah the whole argument about insecurities is just assumptions or flame but the literal meaning is besides the point. No that perfectly fine.You don't have a problem with homosexual people but you don't like to watch them. But he said 'people who are okay with homosexual romance' specifically, not just homosexual people. Also having a problem watching something with homosexual people or romance in it is, as the beginning of the sentence suggests, a sort of problem someone can have. It doesn't directly relate to having a problem with homosexual people, but an indirect relation is still a relation. And it's not the same as simply not caring about the topic. There's lots of things I don't particularly like to watch, don't care about or that don't interest me, but most of them I don't have a problem with in the sense that they will prevent me from watching an otherwise appealing or interesting show just by being present. That's the difference between not liking to see/not being interested in something and having a problem with it. |
I probably regret this post by now. |
Dec 9, 2016 3:14 PM
#94
Most anime romance is still shit; giving it a new coat of paint with two guys isn't going to mask the stench underneath |
"I like young-girl sexual creations, Lolicon is just one hobby of my many hobbies," he says. I ask what his wife, standing nearby, thinks of his "hobby". "She probably thinks no problem," he replies. "Because she loves young boys sexually interacting with each other." |
Dec 9, 2016 3:34 PM
#95
Damn, I could get used to this. @Aquamirror I don't know what's more tragic. How badly you interpret what people say, or your attempts to show people how straight you are. |
Dec 9, 2016 3:50 PM
#96
Eroticism has always been a bane to all civilization and society since the beginning of the first civilization. And you of all people should know it by now. |
Dec 9, 2016 3:53 PM
#97
Pullman said: sasalx said: zal said: sasalx said: Referring to people that say they "are fine with homosexual romance" yet don't watch YoI because it has "homosexual romance". I read it like this and it seems to me to point out that these kind of people are rather hypocrite.@zal " Homosexual romance is just one aspect of it, and something that you admittedly are totally fine with as well. Yet still if you want to stay away from it for no other reason than this, then you have some insecurities about your sexuality" If you say so... Yeah the whole argument about insecurities is just assumptions or flame but the literal meaning is besides the point. No that perfectly fine.You don't have a problem with homosexual people but you don't like to watch them. But he said 'people who are okay with homosexual romance' specifically, not just homosexual people. Also having a problem watching something with homosexual people or romance in it is, as the beginning of the sentence suggests, a sort of problem someone can have. It doesn't directly relate to having a problem with homosexual people, but an indirect relation is still a relation. And it's not the same as simply not caring about the topic. There's lots of things I don't particularly like to watch, don't care about or that don't interest me, but most of them I don't have a problem with in the sense that they will prevent me from watching an otherwise appealing or interesting show just by being present. That's the difference between not liking to see/not being interested in something and having a problem with it. I still don't get this fact.So if you don't have a problem with homosexual romance(which is the same thing with homosexual people at some time of that relationship) you must watch this YoI and like this. Sorry but that's just being politically correct. I have a freedom about selecting shows that I want to watch and no I don't want to watch any yaoi anime.A little fun fact:My first anime was No.6.I finished it.No problem.And I decided that this is not my taste thank you.Oh and no I will not punch two men if they are kissing each other.They can do whatever they want. OP is obviously baiting at this point so there is that too. |
Dec 9, 2016 3:53 PM
#98
Lestat- said: If an anime is immaturely portraying a romantic or sexual relationship between two characters, I will not watch it (regardless of gender). However, when you name an anime such as Yuri!!! On Ice —where it is currently still inconclusive if the characters will end up together in a romantic relationship— where the matter at hand is handled maturely and realistically, I won't be able to peel my eyes off the screen. As a straight woman, I would have had absolutely no problem with it if these two characters have happened to be female. I do not watch anime out of a romantic interest therefore it does not matter what these character's genders are. I feel that women generally have a different view on this. I cannot say that I have ever come across a woman who was downright revolted by a relationship involving two females. It's upsetting how many men are simply disgusted when they see two men even holding hands. And in any of these anime targeted at a more mature audience (and by this I mean mature by social norms, not sexual ones) it doesn't go much further than holding hands or a brief peck here and there. You're my favourite poster srs, you should post more often. And to OP I say that we will get romantic homosexual stories whenever the production committee(s) deem it likely to be profitable. But which demographic would be targeted? Gay men? They are too few, hence why we see homosexual stories aimed at straight people which, I personally have no clue why straight people find homosexuality hot but oh well. |
Dec 9, 2016 4:01 PM
#99
sasalx said: I still don't get this fact.So if you don't have a problem with homosexual romance(which is the same thing with homosexual people at some time of that relationship) you must watch this YoI and like this. Sorry but that's just being politically correct. You should stop misreading on purpose. There are 2 pages of that shit already and it isn't funny anymore. ... I felt like explaining it but I have the feeling you're the one who's baiting at this point. |
Prophetess of the Golden Era |
Dec 9, 2016 4:02 PM
#100
Clebardman said: sasalx said: I still don't get this fact.So if you don't have a problem with homosexual romance(which is the same thing with homosexual people at some time of that relationship) you must watch this YoI and like this. Sorry but that's just being politically correct. You should stop misreading on purpose. There are 2 pages of that shit already and it isn't funny anymore. ... I felt like explaining it but I have the feeling you're the one who's baiting at this point. No I am not.Dead serious right now.Care to elaborate? |
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